LogicStrikesAgain

There is no evidence of a larger trend for the risk of PlayStation players switching to PC, as you are describing

Sorry to butt in, but the point you might be missing here is that they should anticipate new competitors strategies. That’s why Porco said: “sony potentially losing its users to the pc market is bad for its business in the long term”

Their PC strategy was fine, but now that Xbox is planning to put Steam on their next console and Valve announced their pc/console, i’m sure you could see how putting all their exclusive games on competitors systems might become detrimental for their own ecosystem right?

@UltimateOtaku91 Yeah, just saw that as well. I guess it really is just basically a made for mobile game, with a monetization strategy more tailored for mobile. That’s probably the reason why they didnt want this to launch on console as a f2p game

I must be spacing out, but i managed to overlook the whole gameplay trailer!

That looks incredible! Playstation’s initial mobile push with Horizon, Destiny and Ratchet is strong!

I hope Guerilla’s PS5 Online console version is ready to announce soon!

I think Sony should seriously consider launching their own PC launcher, even if it’ll initialy meet resistance from pc players. Eventually people will install it, especially if Sony eventually takes their IP off Steam and new Sony releases launch exclusively on their own launcher. It’s not like PC sales are their main profit model, its more like a bonus anyway.

People who truly want to play their games will install the launcher. Also dont quite understand why it’s so annoying for pc players to install a new launcher, isnt this like installing an app or something?

Anyway, business wise, its probably best to be selective about which games they port to PC or how much time in between console and pc release. Especially in light of these next gen consoles being able to play their exclusives via Steam and therefore creating less differentiation from their console

I’m one of few that liked the beta. It wasn’t amazing or anything, but i thought it was ok. Wasn’t bothered with the character design either. Still dont really know what was wrong with the characters. However, i have never played Overwatch or similar game, so i didnt have anything to compare it to. All i knew was it was pretty cool

@RobN Yes, this sounds perfectly plausible to me. Sony might have guessed that they’d be roasted for releasing a “mobile quality” game as the next Horizon entry on console.

Only thing, as Sammy said earlier, they probably should have announced it simultaneously to avoid confusion

I think it looks fun. But i dont play games on mobile. Good for the hundreds of millions of people that do though.

I think most people on here aren’t the target audience. But i have no qualms with Sony trying to get a share of the mobile market, like every other publisher is doing

Maybe Sony wants there to be a clear differentiation between their new mobile games and their console games. And maybe Guerilla just wants to properly showcase their own Online console version, since its still their IP. I dunno, it’s all a bit weird.

I am curious though, i actually think online has a lot of potential for the Horizon IP, so i’m excited to hear more

I bet most studios are using AI in their production pipeline by now

@nessisonett Meanwhile CoD releases it’s 22nd iteration tomorrow 😆

@Juanalf Funny, because other people always complain that Playstation Studios aren’t as prolific as earlier generations. I often hear “Uncharted 2 and 3 were released in the same console generation, why can’t Sony do it now?”

Now we’re getting a 2nd Horizon game coming to console this gen, and now people are upset about that lol. Sony really can’t win with it’s userbase.

That said, i would like to see them revive Killzone though, and yeah i wouldnt mind a new IP as well

@Oram77 Lol, i’ve noticed i tend to agree with a lot of your takes, so that checks out 👍🏼

I was always a bit confused on why there needed to be two online Horizon games. But maybe they just don’t want the mobile version to be associated with their main console platform or something.

Or NCsoft’s development pipeline for console games just isn’t as robust, since their main expertise is mobile/pc, so maybe Guerilla wanted to develop it themselves. It’s still their IP, so i can imagine they’d wanna showcase it in the best way.

Hmm, whatever it is, i’m curious to see more. I actually think online is a good fit for this IP

@truerbluer At the very least its hypocrite. If you were yelling that you dont want live service on ps5, you cant be complaining now. To those who weren’t, fair enough 👍🏼

I see this less as Sony not supporting its platform, but more as a push to mobile. It’s also an external developer.

I get what you’re saying though, and it is kinda weird they skipped the ps5. My guess is that NCsoft might not have a good console development pipeline since their main expertise is mobile/pc. And thats why we’re getting an online version by Guerilla as well. But i actually do hope they port this as well, because i like the concept

@Fiendish-Beaver Haha, thats true! Some people will always have something to complain about i guess. Fair points all around 👍🏼

@Fiendish-Beaver Is that the issue people had with Sony though? Are you saying they wouldnt mind if it were only PC?

I got the impression people just hated live service games over here based on their comments. Even though most seem to like Gran Turismo 7 and Helldivers 2.

Edit: Thinking about it, you do have a good point though. At least Neowiz doesnt seem to bring their games to console yet, so the people over here might not have the same complaints. Fair enough

Phase 1: Focusing on live services of main titles

Seeing as the crowd here is adamantly against publishers focusing on live service, i’m guessing Neowiz will get the same treatment like Sony got? 😉

@UltimateOtaku91 @Oram77 Good luck guys! You do realize you’re up against the Mr Caveat Man, famously known for moving goalposts mid discussion, right? 😝

I’m guessing the people who were dunking on Ghost of Yotei for it’s “weak” sales of 3.3m in a month, will be all over this right? Seeing as it took 9 months to sell 4m on multiple platforms.

Love this game btw! Still on my ever increasing ‘to play’ list though.

Congratulations Warhorse Studios!

@KawakiisaFraud I agree, they should really think about their PC approach. Personally i think they should seriously consider their own PC launcher. Even if pc players might resist installing it at first, eventually they will come. Especially if Playstation existing IP’s gradually move from Steam to their own launcher and new games start exclusively launching there. It’s not like PC revenue is their main profit model, it’s more like an bonus anyway

So it seems play does have limits; your own platform.

I also find it hilarious how the new marketing slogan "It happens on PS5" was announced just days before

What I find hilarious is how some people didnt want free to play live service mmo’s to come to ps5, and now they’re upset its not coming to ps5 🤣

@T-Bone09

I think NCsoft is more a pc/mobile developer anyway. I dont even think they have console games, like pc/mobile mmorpgs are what they’re known for i believe.

I think i was being pretty nuanced when i said this. Even though they might have dabbled in console games, they are primarily known for pc/mobile

@Oram77 Don’t forget Marathon, it’s also a first party title 😉

Rockstar edging its fanbase with the RDR2 PS5 release again, i see

You’d think that NCSoft developing this, a studio primarily known for pc/mobile mmorpgs, was enough to let people know that the mobile market was going to be the target audience here

@OmegaStriver Maybe it’s a resource thing. I think NCsoft is more a pc/mobile developer anyway. I dont even think they have console games, like pc/mobile mmorpgs are what they’re known for i believe. But i’m sure if this is even remotely succesfull it’ll have a ps5 port in no time, maybe Nixxes could help

If going by the trailer, this might be one of the best looking free to play games i’ve seen

To all the people complaining that its currently only mobile/pc. This wasnt made for you. It’s made for the hundreds of millions, if not billion people that do play on mobile/pc. They also just announced a Racther and Clank for mobile, and not the PS5. Sony is just trying to get a piece of the pie like every other publisher. Suck it up and move on

I have no interest in Fortnite personally. But yeah, seeing as they own a 5% stake in Epic Games, these kinds of deals seem like a no brainer

To all the people complaining that its currently only mobile/pc. This wasnt made for you. It’s made for the hundreds of millions, if not billion people that do play on mobile/pc. Sony is just trying to get a piece of the pie like every other publisher. Suck it up and move on.

The whining in these comment sections sometimes, geez…

@nessisonett Wow, thats some next level glass half empty energy. Hardly know anything yet, but already calling it bland and exploitative? 😆

I for one think this might be pretty cool actually. I thought this NCsoft game was cancelled. But I’ve always thought a MMO style would fit the Horizon IP. Playing with thousands of people and taming mechanical beasts in horizon’s world sounds cool. Heck, i’d want Horizon 3 to have an online component to it! And the trailer looks dope as well.

Although i dont really understand the need for a seperate Horizon Online co op PS5 game. Why wouldn’t they just make a PS5 version for this one? I know NCsoft is primarily a pc/mobile developer, but maybe Nixxes can help them port this

Looks like pretty good fun actually

@species

yet all the trailers were in english 🤭

Of course, these games release globally, so studios make english trailers. It takes time and money to make trailers. They arent going to make specific Japanese trailers for this show alone, that would be a waste of resources.

But the presentation itself was Japanese, i dont know about you but i couldn't read any of the summaries

One of the best games of the show imo

Sony tweeted: “A special broadcast curated for gamers in Japan and Asia”

Meanwhile western audience: I didn’t like it! 😭

I was more disappointed by the lack of release date, but oh well, life goes on

@Hylian-Likely Or maybe some people just have different tastes than you?

Glad to see the Japanese audience getting a price cut 👍🏼

I went with Okay, but it was more between Okay and Poor for me personally. This was more for the Japanese audience and the PS5 price cut, which i’m glad they’re getting.

Not so much for me. Some cool indies though. Isnt that what some people wanted, more variety of indie and AA?

I liked Never Grave, Blaz Blue Entropy, Damon and Baby and Brokenlore: Ascend

Making the development cost back, and around 130m in profit after a month seems like a pretty good start to me

@Questionable_Duck Yes, that indeed seems to be the case.

It’s a great way for Sony to diversify their exclusive content with some good AA games

Seems like a normal statement to me. It means they’ll be supporting and selling PS5 at least till 2030. Seems reasonable to me. For all the people complaining about PS6 coming too soon, you don't have to worry as there’ll be years of cross gen games. And rightfully so, as that ensures support for PS5 owners.

Some people seem to think that console generations only start when they stop with cross gen games. But that is totally business and consumer unfriendly. Imagine your console not being supported anymore after a new console launches

I notice Enhance games tends to develop for Playstation. The first Lumines on PSP. Rez Infinite was a PS console exclusive, i believe. Humanity also launched as a console exclusive. And now this.

They probably have a good working relationship with Sony.

Anyhow, this looks cool. Always great to see PSVR2 support as well 👍🏼

@Oram77 This. Both Sony and Naught Dog were very inexperienced in the live service space at the time they started development. Hearing ND talk about it back then, it was a very ambitious project, in the end it was probably too ambitious.

Still hope they could just give us something akin to Factions 1 though, doesnt have to really change much, just modernize the concept a little bit

And to people saying this was a knee jerk reaction to Microsoft. I dont think so. This acquisition would have probably been in negotiation a year before the ABK deal even got announced. This really had nothing to do with Microsofts deal, but with Sony’s strategy trying to get in to the live service market

@UltimateOtaku91 Tbf, i dont think Bungie had the power to make any calls at all. They just had an advising role, i believe. The call was still Naughty Dogs own to make.

Somehow I think the signature level of fidelity Naughty Dog was designing Factions 2 with, was just way too high for a live service, and would make it hard to scale for. I think Bungie fairly recognized this and told them.

And ND probably also noticed that all their resources and teams were being put on Factions, and they werent going to be able to make single player games anymore, and realized that thats not the path they wanted to take going further

Well, you win some, you lose some… I do still understand why Sony bought them, as they were at the top of their game at the time they were eyeing them, which would probably be some time early 2021, way before the actualy acquisition. If you wanted a live service studio at the time, they were seemingly one of the best. But they did pay way too much, in my opinion.

Anyway, i think they’ll do much better under Playstation Studios than under Bungie’s management, so personally i’m excited for the future.

@UltimateOtaku91 I would have loved a Factions 2, but it’s hard to say if the call to cancel it was a bad call when we’ve seen nothing from it. It might have been the best call to make. And knowing it would've prevented Naughty Dog from focusing on their single player endeavours, i personally am glad it didn't go through in the end

@RoomWithaMoose You have a poetic way with words, my friend

@Masacheez You’re right there is a ways to go, but Sony’s games hve long tail sales. Ghost of Tsushima reached those lifetime sales after 4 years, and with a much larger userbase at the time. So Ghost of Yotei reaching 3.3m in a month is pretty great