LogicStrikesAgain

I loved OG Infamous, and i would probably buy a remake collection. But i do hope they also have plans for a next installment in the series. Announcing Infamous 4 would be 🤯

@UltimateOtaku91 Genuine question, if you think Extra is definitely worth it, why do you find paying $3 more per month for Premium not worth it? Especially since you use the streaming function. Surely premium cant be the same price as Extra, when you get 4K streaming, a retro catalogue and a movies library added

If I do get the email il use this chance to let them know that the cloud streaming should be available on the Essential/Extra tiers and that Premium should be scrapped

The way i see it, Premium is already Extra but with streaming added to it. That’s why its slightly more expensive. Or do you mean they should add it to Extra without additional cost?

They bought Bungie when they were pretty much on top of their game in the live service space. But things change, and gambles dont always pan out. Best thing for Sony to do is get full control, and make the studio work on something asap. If not Destiny 3, then any of the dormant Playstation IPs would be a good start

Lol, i’m a Playstation fan, and dont care for most of these live service titles as well.

But the moment you see me whine about them showing a trailer for a game i dont care about, pls just close my account all together because i’m done at that point 😂

@Eazyeman Cheaper than PC that is. The whole console business model makes it possible that consoles exist, or else we’d be paying PC prices for hardware if it wasnt subsidized.

I dont know how old you are, or if you’re new to discussing things with other people, but that disrespectful tone will get you exactly nowhere

@Kiltedhaggis I understand you completely, it really is becoming a drag. Maybe its because im a bit older (late 30s), but i remember a time when users on forums seemed less cynical, less triggered, less hyperbolic, less toxic and less negative overall, and way more reasonable than users today.

All these media channels creating all this constant drama and manufactured outrage just to satisfy algorithms that reward negativity are creating an incredibly miserable generation of peopple

Wow, way to dampen the mood immediately!

As if every other article and user on here isnt already complaining daily about their live service f*** up, the moment we finally get some exciting news you just have to immediately put a negative spin on it, geez!

Sure they fumbled it up with their live service, but we’ve had Death Stranding 2, Ghost of Yotei, Marathon and Saros in the last months, and we have Marvel Tokon, Kena 2, Wolverine and Intergalactic coming up. Is this really so bad or are people just miserable lately? I cant tell anymore

And they say only stocks and real estate really ever go up in value. These financial experts dont know ****. I’m investing in consoles from now on 😎

@Wilshiire I understand and partly agree with your comment. However, i dont think its that simple overall.

PS+ Essential already existed last gen, way before their acquisitions and live servie fumbles, so i dont really buy that this is paying for that.

Consoles typically are subsidized, so they need reliable ways to make their money back over time. If online became completely free, the loss of guaranteed revenue would probaly push them to monetize even more agrresively in other areas, like higher console prices (PS6) , more expensive games etc.

Also, for many games you dont even need PS+ Essential, like if you only play single player games (GoW, TLoU, GoT, Spiderman etc).

But i would suggest Sony creates an extra tier for lets say $5/month, but without the extra games, so atleast people have more choice

@Old-Red

I'm almost certain that if Sony made online play free again, ps+ subs would absolutely tank.

I’m sure they would. But it would also effectively take away the economics that make cheaper consoles possible in the first place. If companies cant make money back from subscriptions and software, the whole console business model will fall apart

I think online acces + 3 games a month is fair for that price, the games are usually pretty good and cost way more than $10, so i think the value is there.

But maybe they can make a tier for $5/month that didn’t include the 3 games. That might be more attractive to people who dont want those monthly games

@Rich33 I agree with everything you said. And its nice to see at least some people here still have reasonable, well-thought-out opinions to share among all the drivel thats been making up these comments sections lately

@Skinny-Pete Not what i’m saying at all, but nice try.

You dont go to Manchester United online spaces and complain about them being biased, right? Or go to a PC Master Race reddit group and say they should be supporting other platforms as well. Why? Because you naturally expect bias in those spaces

@RoomWithaMoose Yeah, but tbf one should also reasonably expect a platform specific website to be at least a bit biased, right? I find it a bit weird for people to demand neutrality from a site like this. You wouldnt go to a sports teams specific site or forum and complain about neutrality there, right? There are many gaming websites that dont specifically cater to a specific platform

@RoomWithaMoose

I can appreciate the situations are different, but the outlook on exclusivity should remain the same

I dont think so, personally. They are in different situations. Sony can go full exclusive because they have the console user base to reasonably sustain it.

Xbox is in an entirely different situation today. If Helix really is an expensive console, and they cant sell it in great numbers to the masses, then making all their IPs exclusives could potentially be devastating. You can make them exclusive, but if you only sell 10m consoles, then that wouldnt really be the best business decision, as they’ll be right back where they are now, having too small of a console user base to sustain exclusivity

As for these sites and their bias, i just ignore it, and i try to ignore fanboys on all sides. I just try to not be bothered by it. Its like with sports, there are a lot of idiot sports fans out there, but all one can do is just be reasonable yourself and not pay much attention to those people, at least thats how i try to do it

@themightyant

The catch is they likely need the exclusives to sell more consoles, but probably can't make the finances work until they have sold more units. Chicken and egg.

Yes, this is basically the crux of it! I also commented this earlier in the thread

But if any company has enough money to just say lets take a billion dollar hit on these for a few years making them exclusives anyway to see if they can gain market share, then it would be Microsoft.

Very true! And that’s why i think Playstation can never rest on its laurels

@8th_Observer Exactly, all these sites are biased towards their platform. Thats partly the point of these platform centric websites. What i find tedious is all the people constantly complaining about it

@RoomWithaMoose I’m a Playstation fan, and i don’t care if they go exclusive 🤷🏻‍♂️

Whether its the best thing for Xbox idk, because Xbox and Playstation are in different situations with different risks and strategies needed. I’ve shared my thoughts on it in a comment somewhere above

@themightyant I’ve always kept this in the back of my head as a possibility. And who knows, that might exactly be how they wanna play this out

@TrollOfWar Nah, he’s just saying he’s not gonna type it like that going forward, because even if thats the new official way they do it, it is a bit ridiculous for an article.

And i can understand that. Heck, if Sony decided they’re going to officially write it as PLAYSTATION, i’m sure many editors are going to find it equally ridiculous to have an article full of caps like that

@TrollOfWar

while the author is actively refusing to type a four-letter word

I think he’s refering to the new all caps way of writing it, not that he’s refusing to write the word Xbox

I’ve always said that exclusives are an important factor in the business of selling consoles. That goes for Xbox as well. I just dont know if its still a good idea for them at this point.

Their next console seems to be targeting a much more niche crowd price wise, not the mass market. If all their IPs became exclusive, but the masses dont buy a $1200 console in great numbers, that would be devastating, and they’d be right back where they are now, with too low console owners to sustain exclusivity.

I’m sure they know this, so its going to be interesting how they’ll balance this going forward and which route they’re going to take, stay multiplatform or go all in on exclusivity again. Curious to see whether the PS logo is present at the end of the Gears E-Day trailer next month

• Killzone 5
• MotorStorm reboot
• Infamous 4 (instead of remakes)
• Jak and Daxter - Reimagined adult, dark and gritty sci fi reboot
• Sly Cooper 5
• Resistance remake

Are you reading this, Sony!? Pls take notes 😉

• Wolverine gameplay
• PS Studio reveals: Santa Monica, Firesprite, TeamLFG
• Marvel Tokon updates
• Kena 2 release date
• Updates on third party like Phantom Blade Zero
• PS+ native ps3 games announcement (i can dream😆)

I’d love a Intergalactic gameplay reveal, but i read there were rumours that Intergalactic might be shown at SGF instead of at the SoP. I can see that happening

I think PS+ Premium is very good value for that price point. Sure it doesnt do Day 1 first party like Game Pass, but thats also why its cheaper. And as this article has pointed out, they still actually do offer some Day 1 titles on their service

@DadJKP

Because no one cares. Most people saw the trailer, said “here we go again

I loved that trailer, as wildcat said, the atmosphere it packed in that trailer alone!

But why hate a game you have never played, and know hardly anything about besides rumours?

Pretentious looking Sony single player game with a girl boss

Oh wait, never mind, now i know 😑

@wildcat_kickz Lol, didnt know it first either, was helped by a user here as well.

Its [ quote] before the text and [ /quote ] after the text, but without the spaces between the [ ]

@TrollOfWar I totally get why people were asking Sony for a roadmap. I just find it silly that when they do, some then start complaining that they show games too soon. It’s like they’re damned if they do, and damned if they don’t

They shouldn't have revealed/announced this game until they had the stuff that LifeGirl is asking about.
It was way way way too soon and I'm glad it backfired on them

Astro Kart and Bloodborne 2.

You said dare to dream 😉

@For-Kier Nope, not what he is saying at all

@Dogbreath Sony really cant win, can they? For ages people were clamoring that Sony should show more of their roadmap. And when they do, people still complain. This game was announced just over a year ago, some games were announced 8 years ago and get less flack than this.

Its slated for 2027, so i’m pretty sure there’s a marketing plan that’ll kick in later in the year or so, just a little patience

@Jacko11 It really has 😓

@wildcat_kickz Lol, ikr! At least up to that point it holds up 😂

@Faraz27 Tati Gabriele fine, dont know what you talkin about 😉

Just wanted to say how much i agree with the comments here, the latter ones at least!

Just a heads up, my company Logic Inc. is also planning to acquire Apple next week. First thing im gonna change is the logo. Hope you guys like Pears! ☺️

@get2sammyb Surely scoring a 92% out of 270 critic reviews on RT means it cant be that bad? Also has a 81 on Metacritic.

The Last of Us 2 (game) was also critically acclaimed and won GOTY, but also got low user scores, partly due to review bombing.

Havent watched the tv show, but i cant ignore that some people might be review bombing the show for the same ‘controversial inclusive’ reasons they did with the game

@get2sammyb

Mixtape may be your dream game; it may be the last thing in the world you’d ever want to play. And that’s okay – let’s all just be normal about it, eh?

Asking the internet to be normal about a game they dont like is a tall order, i’m afraid

@HonestHick

The 85% digital split was even mentioned today, in the quarterly results article they covered. (I’d bet that’ll get its own seperate article and poll as well, since we’ve had many talking points on this matter here through the years)

If only i were a betting man. Called the seperate article and the poll 😄✌🏼

@Skinny-Pete Same to you! 👍🏼☀️

@HonestHick And to you as well! ✌🏼

@HonestHick They published 17 articles yesterday, and one happens to be partly about Nintendo’s price hike, but more focused on how it might affect Playstation. They’re not even bashing Nintendo, they even conclude that Nintendos games are probably dominant enough that people still wouldnt be swayed even if Playstation has the cheaper console.

But as with skinny-pete, we’ll just have to agree to disagree as well, different strokes for different folks is the mantra of the day lol

@Skinny-Pete That’s fine lets just agree to disagree then. I dont agree that Playstation news from Japan is irrevelant news for a Playstation website, but as you said, different strokes for different folks

@Skinny-Pete Lot’s of articles on here are irrelevant to me personally, but i do understand that this site caters to more people than just me.

And you did make a deal out of it, thats why you replied with 2 comments saying how bizzare you think it is that they’re covering news in Japan, assuming users on here wouldn’t care because they’re not from there.

Just to be clear, its totally fine if you dont care about this news. I just find it strange that you think others might not be interested because its news from a different region, because it still pertains to the Playstation brand

@Skinny-Pete

don't know why it would matter to a load of Europeans and Americans which is what the best part of this community is.
I don't get why anyone should or would be invested in how it sells in Japan unless there Japanese and to do a poll about it just seems bizarre to me

it's a strange aul article alright even with a poll of some reason I mean I'd get it if this site had a decent amount Japanese users but it doesn't I mean we are mostly European and north American why would we care about console sales in Japan especially like you said there is much more relevent news about playstation currently that could be reported

Saying news is only relevant if the users of this site are from Japan is a pretty weird take itself, don’t you think? Would it be weird for Japanese sites to talk about Playstation news hapenning outside of their region?

This site caters predominantly to Playstation fans. And as a fan some might have a greater than usual interest in the brand? Have you ever met sports fans? They follow all the ins and out of their teams right? Player transfers, manager strategies etc. Or a fan of a certain brand like BMW for example? They might attend car meetings and follow all quarterly reports of the company. Or a fan of an artist, might know their whole biography/discography and global concert itinerary by heart.

What i’m trying to say is, fans of a certain things are often interested in more than the casual person, so it’s not weird at all for a Playstation fan to be interested in the larger industry like the 2nd biggest PS market globally, which is the Japanese market, which also happens to be the home and origin of the brands company.

Also, who says people are that invested and why make such a big deal about one article? They published 17 articles yesterday that weren’t about the Japanese market. Reporting on Famitsu sales numbers is literally one of the most expected thing a Playstation focused website could do in my opinion. And as i’ve mentioned in my comments above, the complaint that they could be reporting other things isn’t really valid either, because they do cover those things as well

@HonestHick I really dont understand why you dont think this site isnt covering these topics, they always are, and they dont spare Sony when they’re wrong either. The articles about the price differences per user were in fact very scathing toward Sony, here are a few excerpts from the articles:

'This Should Be Illegal': PS5's Dynamic Pricing Roundly Criticised by Disgusted Sony Fans
"That is f***in' dirty"

Fans are understandably disgusted by the experiment, and irate at the idea they could be receiving worse deals on select games for reasons not explicitly explained by the platform holder.

“This is absolutely ridiculous and extremely scummy,” one Push Square poster fumed. “Shame on Sony. I’ll be buying even less digital games than I already do.”

It doesn’t seem fair to us.

None of this applies to the PS Store, and the lack of transparency from Sony only exacerbates the issue.

We think fans are right to be frustrated, and we’ll be monitoring this situation closely over the coming months.

And a week after that they posted another article on the same situation ending with this:

We’d love to hear from you on this because, while we think there’s lots to appreciate about PlayStation’s business, this is one of those unanimous bozo moves that we’re struggled to wrap our heads around.

And i already mentioned they have multiple articles on each of those court cases against them. So where are you getting it from that they aren’t covering these topics?

@HonestHick

But as always I appreciate your time to tell me you like the topics and agree with the baiting articles.

Im not really sure why you’re framing it as me agreeing with “baiting articles” and making assumptions on my stance. I was just saying its normal to expect a Playstation focused website to cover Playstation hardware sales data.

Regarding your other points, this site actually has covered all the things you mentioned, it’s not like they ignored those topics. Nintendo’s price hike is just a big news item as well today, so that will also get attention.

But they did cover the court case settlement last week. And they also covered other ongoing court cases like the UK court and Dutch lawsuit, with multiple articles.

The 85% digital split was even mentioned today, in the quarterly results article they covered. (I’d bet that’ll get its own seperate article and poll as well, since we’ve had many talking points on this matter here through the years)

I even found an article from 2021 where they already talked about the UK digital spending on Playstation having reached 85% even back then. So not only did they cover it today, but apparently they already did so 5 years ago

@TheDarts My bad, maybe i totally misinterpreted your comment. Its getting late, lol.

I get what you’re saying about the old days, though, definitely with you on that one 👍🏼

@Mio_Nakashima You’re kidding right? Japan is still the 2nd biggest market globally in terms of console sales. Playstation console sales in Japan exceed the sales in every country you listed, except for the US.

Also, i dont think people care that much. Its just that Famitsu publishes these sales data once in a while, and then gaming outlets just cover it. Circana does the same for US sales numbers

@TheDarts Ofcourse its about attention and clicks, websites naturally want the traffic, thats pretty much how most websites, channels or media outlet works.

But whats actually wrong with a Playstation focused website coverin the news that the PS5 is becoming cheaper than the Switch 2 in Japan. How is that a “taboola style” article?

That sounds like a totally normal discussion point after the news we just got from Nintendo. Its not like this article is blindly cleearleading Playstation either. Heck, they even literally argue that the price difference probably wont make any difference in the end, because Nintendos games dominate the market.

I genuinely dont get the outrage here. If people arent interested in Playstation news or hardware discussion, thats fine.

But on a Playstation focused website like this, articles like this are pretty expected

@HonestHick

This is a Playstation focused site, so of course they’re going to cover Playstation hardware sales. Famitsu does these sales updates regularly, and some find it interesting to follow these trends. Its not like this site ignores games either, they publish gaming news constantly.

Some find it an interesting discusion point to talk about how it might impact the market if Playstation becomes cheaper than a Switch 2 in Japan. You might not care personally, but you’re not the only user of this website