LogicStrikesAgain

@nomither6 coincidentally, what did you vote in the “whats your age” poll they posted this afternoon?

@Splat With the fidelity of that game, it would’ve been way more expensive to develop and maintain though. Also, Factions 1 wasnt exactly the biggest hit, so we can’t confidently say this would he either

Perhaps it also has something to do with all the excessive hate it received prior to release? 🧐

@RoomWithaMoose I agree, they shouldnt have invested so much in live service titles alone, i understand your frustration regarding Sony first party. But at some point, you have to understand that shifting back from that live service strategy is going to take some time. Game development takes years, so even if they began shifting gears a few years ago by cancelling most of those titles, it would have still taken a few years before we would see them back on track. This year has a steady cadence of games again from Playstation Studios though, so hopefully its the beginning of a return to form

@RoomWithaMoose

But still, they founded a studio and shut them down in a year before they made a single thing. That's just stupid.

Sony has just shifted strategy since then. It was created purely to fascilitate their live service push. Now that they’ve downshifted their live service strategy, they didnt think the studio they formed was needed anymore. I can understand it’s a bad look though, so close after the Bluepoint closure

@ RoomWithAMoose When they created this studio last year to make live service games for them, they were still operating under their previous live service strategy, but Sony has since shifted gears, so they closed it.

Honestly, with how much people hated Sony’s live service push, you’d think people would understand this decision

@RoomWithaMoose Why is it automatically assumed to be a wrong decision though? Maybe they are correcting mistakes Hulst made in the first place. We dont know anything, so why is everyone acting so certain?

Perhaps this newly formed studio didn’t hit any of the agree upon milestones, and maybe this time Sony is scrutinizing live service projects much sooner so projects don’t go on too long before being cancelled. Isn’t that what we wanted from Sony?

@get2sammyb No idea. For all we know forming this studio after Devation closed down was the bad call, and this is the right one. Who knows, maybe upper management is undoing some of the wrong decisions Hulst made. We have literally no insight at all

@get2sammyb We dont have inside information. How can we be sure closing Dark Outlaws isn’t a good call from Sony?

Hey, who you calling old!?

I actually started playing FF7 Integrade. Never played the original. I played FFX and FFXII on PS2, and still remember them as some of the best gaming experiences i’ve had. FF7 remake took some adjusting though, but it eventually clicked with me.

I voted 35-39.

Seeing 90% of the people here are 30+ is kinda cool, but thinking about how some behave in here, it’s also a bit disappointing. It means i can’t tell myself that some unreasonable takes here are from kids anymore, lol

@KundaliniRising333

Paving the way for yet another new piece of hardware to play old games as the selling point because they spent Most of the generation pissing away studio dev time chasing live service unicorns

I’m sure it wont be limited to just Playstation Studios’ games. Also, what do you mean with ‘old games’? Im assuming if Forbidden West will be playable on this handheld, then upcoming games should be too

@nessisonett

The fact a 4 year old game is still one of the most graphically intensive games on the system speaks more to the general disaster of this gen than anything.

thats a bif of an exaggeration. Graphics aren’t a measure of whether a console generation is a “disaster”. Some of the best games this gen like Elden Ring don’t even pursue cutting edge graphics. If anything, HFW holding up till now, speaks more to the technical skills of Guerilla Games, than anything else.

I wouldn’t say that games this year are that noticeably more impressive looking than Miles Morales and Demon’s Souls

You can’t ignore that games like Death Stranding 2, Avatar: Pandora, Alan Wake 2, Indiana Jones, AC Shadows, Hellblade 2, RE9 etc. push graphics well beyond early games like Miles Morales. Improvement might be more subtle than previous generations, but thats because of diminishing returns. We can’t expect the same leaps when we’re already approaching photorealism

I’ve been following graphics tech since the Nvidia Geforce days, and it’s so cool to see how software ML is making it possible that even consoles are now able to play modern high fidelity games like RE9 with ray tracing at 60fps with an image wuality that basically looks native 4K. Loving the progress! And loving the PS5 Pro, Mark Cerny nailed it again

I’ve said it before, the market is oversaturated. At some point, there is just too little differentiation between games. Too many studios, too many publishers, too many games releasing and trying to capture our attention, which is already spread across other forms of media. Way too hard for all these studios to find succes in such a crowded market.

Isn’t Nacon the publisher of that Gollum game? The word slop gets thrown around a lot these days, but if there’s a game that deserves to be called that, it would be that one

They gave you the opportunity to write one last article using the PSN brand name before they changed it lol

@GamingGod Ikr! I can already imagine all those Playstation characters in an astro styled kart game, Sony needs to greenlight this immediately 😍

@nessisonett

The sort of thing I’d love to try but there’s no way I’d ever have the money to get. I get why PSVR2 is that expensive, it’s honestly cheap compared to some of the headsets out there, but it’s still pretty crazy considering how small the library really is.

Fair take. But if you get the PC adaptor you can instantly have a massive library (on top of the psvr2 exclusives), and it would still be cheap compared to some of the headsets out there

Give us Astro Kart, Sony!!

This all sounds like music to my ears. And not just because of the modern viking accents lol. Coincidentally, has anyone watched the Norwegian tv show Vikingane/Norsemen? It’s f***ing hilarious, and its all i can think about when i hear these guys talking 😂✌🏼

Can’t wait to try this 🤩

@Ambassador_Kong You’re right, i’ll give you that, you did say almost. But this isnt the first time youre implying this. But if thats a feeling you have, fair enough

@Ambassador_Kong

Capitulating to Bungie's demand to hold back a review until they could finish the game was quite sad

Also, the game was already finished. This endgame just wasn’t abailable yet, because it required people leveling up for a few weeks to be able to unlock. Its not like Bungie is hiding anything, they even made the game free to play for everyone just a few days prior to release

@Ambassador_Kong

Almost as if Sony said, "nice little site you have there. Be a shame if you didn't get early access or press releases anymore."

You keep saying this. If this were true, that would be fair calling it out. But you’re perpetuating a self made narrative without any proof. Sony isn’t gonna withhold early access to media outlets if they dont listen to them. At some point you either have to prove it happened, or just let go of this fake narrative 😉

@evan23 you mean

this?

Its [ quote ]text here[ /quote ]

But without the space in between the [ ]

@Propaperpusher Nice, dude! 👍🏼 And a perfect example of people having all sorts of reasons for buying or skipping a game that are way more varied than all this tribal drama some are so obsessed with

@HonestHick

This is your good point and i fully agree if it was just said as such and not blast the GAME until it’s on said box and then act like being called out is someone’s else negativity. No one wants to eat crow and i and many others like to serve it.

I get what you’re saying. But maybe try not to equate what you hear from a few loud fanboys online to the entire 130+ million user base.

Also the “making people eat crow” bit doesnt really hold up. You can’t assume the same people that blasted the game are the ones that are now preordering. With sucha large userbase, its highly unlikely there is any overlap. Who exactly is eating crow if the people who hated the game still aren’t buying it?

Look if you mean to call out specific users for saying something before, and now saying something different, thats fair. But if you’re talking in general, its best not to judge the whole group based on what a small minority has said

@HonestHick. I’m not trying to be a “meanie” lol, and i’m not attacking anyone. I just notice a pattern of some people always introducing console wars into the narrative. Thinking that people aren’t buying a game is because they “hate” another box is just tribal mentality thinking, most people dont even care about any of that.

The biggest reason is probably a much more boring one, many who liked it just didnt think it was worth buying another system for. And now that its releasing on the system they actually own, they can finally pick it up. See? Not everything needs to be explained with that tribal mindset

@themaladroit Sounds peaceful indeed! I never really realized how different this comment section looks to each person, depending on who they ignored, and who ignored them

@nomither6

So it really is true that it’s not the games people hate, just the plastic box that it’s on.

Haha, i knew someone would say something like this. Guess console wars are still at the top of some peoples minds.

No, this isn’t because people hate other platforms. People have very different tastes, some didnt like the game, and some did, just not enough to buy a whole new system for it. Sony’s userbase isnt a monolith, and online communities like these certainly dont represent everyone.

I notice you often introduce console warring into threads where it’s not really there. Are you not getting tired of it?

“I thought you mofos hated xbox games?!” 🥸

I think some are confusing disappointing with bad. It might not be a bad game. But when talking purely about scores, lets not pretend that 77 gets you anywhere near some of the top games of this generation, not even close. So if you xpected this to be a 90+ generation defying game, yeah i guess you could be disappointed.

Edit: @DeepSpace5D Lol, we kinda said the same thing here, just half a minute apart

Funny how we all argue with each other on here, when in real life this group of game nerds would probably be the best of friends 😂

I didn’t think they could hype me up more than i already was. Guess i was wrong

@wildcat_kickz From the article:

While it may seem slimy on the surface, the main thing we’d point to here is that fans generally seem happy with these products

It seems like they specifically mean this product and the fact that they added having to pay for cloud streaming the PS+ catalogue etc.

Maybe i’m just reading it wrong though, in that case my comment can be disregarded 😉

I will add that quote to my original comment though, so its more clear what i’m reacting to

While it may seem slimy on the surface, the main thing we’d point to here is that fans generally seem happy with these products

I dont get it. What’s slimy about it? Is having to pay for a service now automatically slimy? Sometimes i get the feeling that everyone just wants everything to be free. And while i get it, that just not how the world works.

The reason many of these power users get PS+ Premium is to be able to cloud stream the PS+ catalogue. If people didnt want access to the catalogue they’d just use remote play to stream their own games, which is free

@trev666

its a good 7/10 game not trash
game gets alot of unnecessary hate

I dont think people are hsting on it, they’re just calling it mid. I think that was because it was hyped as the next big thing in gaming, the game of the generation. And then it released, as you said, as just a 7/10 game

Sony is on a roll with these firmware updates! 💪🏼

It’s just incredible to see how ML software is tackling so many things in gaming graphics, where even consoles are able to play these modern high fidelity games with ray tracing at 60fps and with an image quality that basically looks native 4K, pretty amazing. From someone who’s been following graphics tech since the Nvidia Geforce era, i’m loving all the progress

Truly a game changer! Kinda jealous of all you Pro owners right now hehe. Will be getting one for myself soon

@Markatron84 @ryanburnsred Genuinely though, don’t you think this is a bit different? Those PC players were literally spamming Housemarque directly, and pretty aggressively demanding the game to be ported.

These are just reactions to a Gematsu post on Twitter, not even directed towards Square Enix.

And Square Enix never announced they’re stopping Playstation ports like Sony did with their PC ports, so isnt it natural that people are discussing why PS ports have seemingly stopped?

Those PC players werent discussing Sony’s multiplatform strategy, because it was already clear what the strategy was.

There is a slight different in context here.
Don’t get me wrong though, i find the term “port beggars” inflammatory here, but the term does more accurately represent what was going on with those PC players spamming Housemarque than what’s going on here.

If people were spamming Square Enix directly, demanding games to be ported, i’d agree that this is the same situation. But it’s not, its people talking about why Square Enix isnt porting games to Playstation, on a neutral gaming news outlet’s post. Discussing these things isnt immediately the same as port begging.

I’m really not trying to nitpick here, i can see why people are frustrated, and i’m getting tired of this site’s bait-y articles as well, but i genuinely think there is a slight difference in context here

@somnambulance Yes, good points, and totally plausible. It did indeed feel like they kind of turned their back on Forspoken. As you said, Playstation might not have respected the historical context of their partnership. And especially with a western oriented Playstation, all those things may have inadvertently developed resentment from their Japanese partners.

I know we’re just speculating, but if anything did happen between them, i hope they can get past it

@Ralizah Slightly different context, though.

In the Sony case, they already indicated they stopped PC ports, but people were spamming Housemarque directly on their Twitter post pressuring them to port their title.

In this case it’s about people reacting to a Gematsu post, discussing Square Enix multiplatform strategy. Importantly, these comments are not targeting the developers directly or spamming them with demands.

Square Enix hasn’t said it’s stopping PS ports like Sony did with their PC ports, so its not unreasonable for people to wonder whats going on with their approach.

Both disappointed parties, true, but slightly different contexts nonetheless

@Globo Haha, yeah they definitely know what they’re doing trying to rile things up like that. Maybe they get paid by the click or something lol.

Same to you bud, have a good one! 👍🏼

luckily I haven't been exposed to any crazy sites like those you explain so I can't comment haha

Yeah there are some very toxic channels out there unfortunately. Makes this site seem like a haven for polite discourse lol

@Globo Yeah, i agree, gaming can unfortunately be very tribal. It’s a very identity based hobby. Even though i have owned almost all Nintendo and Xbox hardware, i’d still say i’m a Playstation enthousiast.

That said, im not into console warring at all, and will never use a term as “xbot” or whatever. I dont understand the need to put others down for enjoying a different platform or brand.

Anywhere else i’d also expect a higher stabdard of journalism neutrality. But i think these fan sites are sort of in the middle of neutral gaming news outlet and a fan community site, so i dont really expect complete neutrality here.

Having said that, i will agree that writers here have been leaning with bait-y articles a bit too much, however, where some are blaming Sammy specifically, i think they’re all to blame to some degree

@Globo I can’t say i totally disagree with you there. I also think using terms such as port begging is unnecessary. But still i think people on this site should expect bias, maybe even the occasional dig. Complaining about journalistic neutrality on a fan site is like complaining on a Liverpool fanpage for not having a completely balanced coverage of all teams. I’m not saying they cant be critizised, at all, but people shouldnt really be surprised if they will favour a Playstation perspective here

@Globo Personally, i think Square Enix can totally do what they want. Even if they didn’t want to port anything to Playstation.

Regarding Push Square’s use of the term “port beggars”, I think the difference here is that one publisher already said “no”. And there’s a difference between asking vs demanding.

We already know Sony stopped porting, so the fact that people were agressively spamming Housemarque’s personal Twitter post, and yelling that it should be ported or it’ll fail, and nobody is buying this etc. is going to be described as port begging (again, i dont like the term)

Square Enix never said anything about not doing ports anymore. And these tweets aren’t even directed towards them, they are replies on a Gematsu post. So its more like people are questioning whats going on with their strategy, rather than port begging at Square Enix specifically, like they did with Housemarque.

I know this might be a nitpick, and i can understand why it can be called the same thing, but there seems to be a slight difference

@Globo I see what you’re saying. Sorry to nitpick, but here’s where i slightly disagree on that point:

Sammy is stirring the pot alone with contractory stories giving out about port beggars yet giving out some games aren't coming to playstation it's only natural peoples reaction in fairness I love playstation

There’s a bit of a difference. Sony, as a platformholder, has stopped doing PC ports of their first party exclusives, so when people are aggresively demanding they should port them over its going to be described as port begging (although i agree that the term is inflammatory though)

However, Square Enix hasnt said they are stopping PS ports, and they are a third party publisher. And especially with Square Enix and Sony having been so close in the past, where games would not only release simultaneously with Playstation but often times even exclusively on Playstation, now they are not even ported to Playstation. So its natural that some people are asking why the shift?

Discussing these things isnt immediately the same as port begging.

I know it seems contradictory, but there is a bit of a difference

@Globo I agree, i do see it, but honestly, they’ve always been like that i feel. They just like controversy because it adds clicks. I will disagree that they only speak good about Sony though, because i’ve seen plenty articles of them where they aren’t going easy on Sony at all.

End of the day, people cant expect neutral gaming news from a website dedicated to a certain platform, so i will never understand the indignation people have

@Globo I get where you’re coming from, and i wont deny there are fanboys here. But this is a PS centric website, a fan site if you will. I will never understand all the policing that goes on around here by people. There are also sites dedicated to other platforms like PC, Xbox and Nintendo, where its users and articles are more aligned, and biased, towards that platform.

Literally every article there’ll be a couple of the same users here that seem surprised about either fans or articles being aligned towards Playstation, and i dont get it. Do they not know this is a Playstation website? Its like going to a PCMR reddit page and constantly complaining about them being PC fanboys. I have seen some PC reddit pages and Xbox channels that make Push Square’s “fanboys” look like gentleman having polite conversation.

I agree console warring is dumb, but some of us here are just Playstation enthousiasts, not trying to console war or talking down at others for liking other brands or platforms. And i personally find it equally dumb to be policing all the time on a website that its made for fans of a certain platform. If this was a general gaming website i’d understand, but not here