@themightyant Start rant: This is also why i see Sony as the underdog here. It’s not like they’re a small company or anything. But compared to juggernauts like Microsoft who can throw around $75B like it’s nothing.
Sony really needs to fight to stay in the game. That’s why it sometimes annoys me how people can dunk on Sony so bad sometimes. Like:
“Why don’t they just do Day one games”
“Look at their weak output now, at least Xbox had the the money to buy two big publishers”
I hope all their live service endeavours fail, because i personally hate live service and i dont want them to cater to other demographics”
“Why do they moneyhat bro, its bad”
It’s like people don’t understand: They are a much smaller company than Xbox. They can’t afford to just drop games, that costs hundreds of millions to develop, on their $14 a month subscription service. They can’t take losses the way a trillion dollar company can.
They can’t just buy their way out of a slow output, by buying up two of the biggest publishers, and be praised for how much games they’re releasing, like Microsof does.
Having exclusives is a smart strategy to stay competitive and make your brand valuable. It’s what keeps them relevant in the space. But people want them to give it up and compete on the same terms as a trillion dollar company, they can’t. These are leverages for them to keep their company strong.
Microsoft has shown that you don’t need to be succesfull in the gaming space, you just need to throw around a bunch of money to be admired. And while i respect that in the business sense, i don’t respect it creatively. I will always support David over Goliath.
People don’t realise that Sony is the real underdog here, at least in the context of financial resources. Sony has to play the smart game here, they can’t play the rich game like Microsoft.
But they get so much negativity. Even just showing a ordinary chart like this in a financial report, which is boilerplate stuff, gets them heat from their user base, it’s ridiculous.
Some people seem to even be mad that they are profiting? Like literally every other company that profits? Even though their margins aren’t that big. I don’t see Microsoft getting heat for their profits, because let me tell you, they have profits. Oh boy, do they ever!
People saying Sony should have lowered their hardware prices? Meanwhile their console is the cheapest next gen high end console on the market and their competitor costs way more.
Or how people get their pitchforks whenever Sony even mentions live service and keep yelling for every game to fail, meanwhile EVERY other publisher have been doing live service for years, and people get aggressively monetized for $70 skins, but no one seems to care. I get that people might fear Sony losing it’s identity, but its frustrating they get slammed for even exploring things that every other publisher have been doing for years. Sony gets heat for such trivial things sometimes.
Ok, rant over, thanks to whoever managed to get to the end 😂
So in other words "We have made graph that looks good but is misleading as most as it can."
No, they just released a normal chart showing how their revenue and profit has developed over time. Boilerplate stuff, happens in virtually every company’s financial reports. They are not misleading anyone, those are factually correct numbers. It’s people themselves, who assign “intent” to Sony actions here. This is all just a bunch of noise about something completely normal
Somehow these charts seem to have created a negative perception. Some people are now looking negatively at what are totally normal business profit increases over time.
These charts are actually completely unsurprising and normal. Most companies will have historic profit charts that look similar to these.
Guess who also makes way more profits now than 30 years ago? Tencent, Microsoft, Google, Netflix, Apple, Meta, Take Two, EA, Samsung, Nvidia, Amazon, Nintendo, Need, I, Go, On?
they just couldn't care less about the number of 1st-party single-player titles they've been releasing
You must’ve not been following gaming news the last few years. Sony made mistakes pivoting a lot of their studios to live service. Most got cancelled which left a hole in their first party output. That’s a bit different from not caring. They just aren’t going to be able to pivot back so soon, since it takes a while to develop games
Most companies make more profit then they did 25-30 years ago due to inflation, or else they’d probably be out of business, unless theyre some sort of non-profit or something. This is just a bunch of noise about nothing.
Instead of looking at the absolute profit figures, it’s best to look at the profit margins to see if things have really improved.
If we purely look at absolute profit , my local shoarma place also makes more money now for selling turkish pizza than he did 30 years ago. If you would look at the profit margin however, it’s probably about the same.
Looking at the chart, PS1 seems to have a better ratio of operating income to revenue than the PS5
Sony should definitely do this, if they can afford it. Maybe through a consortium for a majority and controlling stake. Just the DC and Wizardry IPs alone would be a huge get. But just imagine them owning their own streaming service with existing infrastructure and subscriber base. They could put crunchyroll and their own sony picture productions in the service and in one acquisition shoot to the top 3 global streaming services in the world, rivaling disney and netflix. They’d certainly be one of the biggest movie and tv production companies. And they’d be the only entertainment company with a dominant force in different media offerings ie movie/tv, music, anime and gaming. Remember this would be more of a Sony acquisition rather than for Playstation alone. The IP with transmedia potential they’d be getting would be unbelievable
Dont do it Sony, unless you get the ip rights as well. But i’m sure that won’t happen. Maybe if WB wants to sell the MK ip+Netherrealm for a good price.
If you want to spend, try to acquire Fromsoftware, Square Enix, CDPR or maybe try to acquire a substantial stake in Take Two.
Edit: Wait, so (if true) they’re eyeing to fully acquire WB, including it’s IP? Well thats a whole other proposition, in that case that would be huge. If they can get WB’s IP’s, they should definitely do it, for the right price
To be fair, i can’t see anyone here voting for Fortnite or CoD if those were on the list, but still those are enormously popular.
Guess these hardcore PS5 fan polls don’t always correlate well with real world outcomes. In this case it could be true though. As always, i’ll just wait and see how it’ll turn up. No need to speculate for me.
But then again, i’m one of the few who tried Concord and didn’t think it was all that bad 😆
@wildcat_kickz I’d argue that Sony paying smaller indie studios to develop some indie titles for it wouldn’t be that far outside the realm of possibility.
Yes, i can definitely see a scenario of some games on the console that can’t run on the handheld. And if they’re smart they will not enforce console-handheld parity, or console will be held back by this handheld much like the series S holds back the series X.
But i’m sure they’re smarter than that, or at least i hope
@Lowdefal I wouldn’t say there’s no chance. They could let some teams make some solid AA titles for it. Or outsource it to some smaller indie studios. Doesn’t have to be a lot or be AAA titles or anything
I’m definitely hyped for a new native Playstation handheld. If it allows cross-buy i’m down. Can’t wait to progressively get more info in the coming months. I do hope it gets its own exclusives as well
But making something that is different and stands out, instead of repeatedly making the same thing, there is zero wrong with that. Gaming started out like this, as an art. Not something to just trigger dopamine in people and get them as addicted as possible for business reasons.
To everyone saying this is negative. While that might be true, i’d also like to point out that we don't know that what those early testers thought was good correlates with what you and I might think is good.
Also it’s a conversation he had with someone on his team, people are taking this way out of proportion. These discussions happen all the time during creative processes. Just judge the final product. If you like it, you like it. If you dont, well we can at least say that Kojima doesn’t care 😆
"I'm firing everybody and closing the studio because this game sold much more than the last one". Kojima, months after release.
extremely pretentious, like the trailer he showed at the SGF
Dude, you’re quoting something he will never say and calling it pretentious 😅
@trev666 Some creatives just don’t like to create things that are too conventional. I can definitely relate to that.
Although, it’s probably in favor of the games commercial succes if its also balanced a bit by considering the reality of it needing to be palatable enough for most people to buy
Maybe we should stop reporting on it using the words underperformance. Words are propaganda. This sold 3 million in a week, thats better than most games.
Maybe what stopped it from performing better, is Square Enix’s incessant highlighting of how “bad” it was doing in the first few weeks, the media running away with those quotes, and thereby creating the perception that there might be something wrong with the game.
@Lup You’re right, i didn’t really name them all. I’d advise people to check out for themselves. I’m genuinely curious what people think, and if they really think its that much better. Especially considering it costs more. I think in both cases you get what you pay for. So for PS+ you do get less, but you also pay less for the service
Ye gamepass is a million times better than the awful ps plus
Have people actually compared the June PS+ additions to the June Game Pass additions?
There’s around 5 more additions than PS+. But besides FBC: Firebreak(also on PS+) and the Altars, its basically a bunch of small indie games including the likes of Barbie Friendship Project, Rematch, Symphonia and enhanced editions of Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 which released 6 years ago. Also crash bandicoot (2020).
For $20, is that really so much better than the PS+ additions?
For $11 thats amazing value. People here expect way too much. These games have a combined value of probably around $100 or something. You even get a Day One game from a very good studio in FBC: Firebreak.
People expect Ghost of Yotei for $11/month or something, geez
Yeah ok, let me have it, i’m a fanboy, shill, getting paid, whatever….
@UltimateOtaku91 Could you ask about my check too, please? Seems to be taking a while also 😌
Damn, Capcom ain’t slowing down for nobody! With so many great games already released, and amazing upcoming games like RE9, Onimusha, Pragmata and Okami 2, they’re the real VIP of this gen
@FatalBubbles You’re absolutely right! Sometimes people just forget that us hardcore gamers are only a small part of the total user base. The majority are casual users who don’t care about all this tribalism.
Some don’t even follow gaming news, or know what Game Pass is. They just want a solid service with lots of games for their Paystation. And for a reasonably small amount of money, PS+ offers exactly that.
@FatalBubbles Fair points! And i totally agree with you actually. Value is definitely subjective.
I’m just pushing back a little against people saying PS+ is objectively bad. I think it’s weird how some of the gaming audience acts nowadays.
You don’t see people get mad at others for liking HBO Max, Disney+ or Amazon or whatever. People just let each other subscribe to whatever they think is valuable to them.
Some just want access to a library of Playstation games, and paying $14/month is worth it to them.
But in the gaming space we have to call eachother dumb for subscribing to certain tiers. It’s weird.
Also, you’re dumb if you subscribe to Netflix, because I don’t think it’s worth it 😉
What if some of those people are new to Playstation? Kids might be getting a new console. People might’ve switched from Xbox. People coming back to gaming after many years away. Some might be retro gamers. Some may want to try the VR games on the service, if they bought a PSVR. Some may be using streaming, for example people who just bought a Portal. Heck, some might just be rich AF, and just want the highest tier because they can 😆
Its all oke, people subscribe for different reasons, there’s no reason to tear them down. I’ve had premium myself in the past for some months, and continue to subscribe occasionally. I use it together with my kid to stream games, cause i think downloading takes way too long, and it made it way easier to test out a lot of games fast.
If you’re new to the ecosystem, what better way is there to play all their legacy games?
You’re getting acces to hits across PS1 to PS5, and current hits. For way less than it would be to buy them all.
Honestly, some of you guys have lost some perspective on this, and think the whole userbase is full of us hardcore gaming nerds. The user base is much broader than that
This is gonna be an unpopular opinion, but I think PS Plus Premium is actually pretty good value. First off it costs $160 yearly, thats less than $14/month. And extra is even cheaper.
That is $80 cheaper than a year of Game Pass Ultimate where you pay $240 a year, (or $20/month), at least if we go with the official pricing.
Yes, GPU gets you some day one games, however day one game does not necessarily mean better games. Redfall was a day one title, and we know how that turned out.
PS Plus also does Day one occasionally, for example Sword of the Sea is a Day one title.
PS Plus also has 700+ games, 200 more than Game Pass. They also include PSVR games in there.
PS cloud streaming also offers streaming up to 4K, and a higher video bitrate than Xcloud.
And of course, it has Playstation games, from PS1 to PS5. Say what you will, Playstation exclusives are widely considered some of the best in gaming.
So more games, for less money.
Is it better value than Game Pass overall? It’s not. Day one still gives them the edge in that regard. But is PS Plus so bad as some say it is? I don’t think so at all, especially if you consider how much cheaper it is. (Again, based on official prices)
Alright, who wants to throw the first stone? Not all at once pls 😂
Sounds like a reasonable and measured approach. It’s smart to not just port everything without thinking. One of the pillars of their business model is their exclusive games, so a measured porting approach is the best way
@Frmknst Nope, same game also costs $80 to buy over at Xbox. You’re talking about renting games indefinitely for $20 a month. Not the same as buying, so no need to compare
The real culprit here is capitalism and its unending push for growth causing most publishers to choke us with an ever increasing supply of games, usually with only profit in mind, further lowering the quality. Innovation is too risky, so yearly iterations of nearly the same game like Fifa and Cod and agressive microtransactions is what prevails.
We need to let the industry breath again. The supply is bloated, and this makes it hard for games to get noticed and sell. Where in the past, there may have been a few hundred games per year releasing, today there’s over a thousand games releasing every single year. Where innovation is sacrificed for safety, and where almost every game looks and plays like the other as a result
@Boxmonkey Why is it depressing? We don’t know anything about the quality of those games, so you must be talking about the quantity. If we add the studios Push Square havent added yet like XDev, Bungie, TeamLFG and Dark Outlaws Games, i count 14 games in development.
I wonder how that compares to other publishers with the same amount of studios. I think they’re doing pretty good.
If you compare it to Xbox for example, who are working on around 16 games at the moment, according to a similar article on PX a few days ago, I’d say its pretty good overall. Especially considering Xbox has around double the studios Sony has
The way i see it, however unfortunate, they can’t keep people on the payroll indefinitely. A lot of people working in this industry are contract workers, much like the movie industry for example. Some of them might get hired back when their talents are needed again. I’m not saying that’s ideal, but that’s the way it is right now.
From what i can tell, Sony offered them to do Days Gone 2 (non live service) and they didn’t want to. They also refused a Syphon Filter reboot apparently. Whatever their project was that got cancelled, we don't know if Sony is to blame. We don’t know any details. It might’ve even been a good call. I mean, do we even know what they were working on?
@crackeastwood There seem to be a bunch of guys here claiming they are Chris Hemsworth, which is ridiculous. It’s lame, stupid and pretty unfunny. Also they are totally lying.
@Paleblood I do agree, but that’s looking back on it with hindsight. However, wasn’t it Bend themselves that didn’t want to do a Days Gone 2? Folks are quick to blame Sony for that, but as far as i understand they didn’t even want to make a sequel
You are making an assumption that they are exclusive despite Microsoft clearly outlining their multiplat strategy.
I’m not making an assumption. They clearly said they’d put PS logos on the games that are coming to Playstation. They didn’t put a logo on those games i mentioned. That’s what i’m basing this on. I’m not talking about some hypothetical future. For now, they are exclusive.
Whats wrong with exclusivity btw? Nothing wrong in my book with Keeper, Clockwork Revoluation and Grounded 2 being exclusive to Xbox. It’s a common strategy in business to get people to use your platform/product/service. Ever heard of Netflix Originals?
The fact is they are keeping their vast library of games multiplat
Keeping it multiplat? Their games were never multiplat. They just started porting their games to PS starting last year, because they had to
@Ooccoo_Jr Exactly! I know i’m in the minority here, but I’ve said it before. I think $80 is a reasonable price to ask for some games (especially polished triple A games) when you look at the amount of time and resources it takes to develop them. Does that mean i like it? Hell no. But you can always wait till it lowers to $50 in a few months.
I also see people buying $120 shoes or $40 for a vinyl record. I just bought two tickets to a jazz festival for $300+. It’s all relative
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Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@themightyant Start rant: This is also why i see Sony as the underdog here. It’s not like they’re a small company or anything. But compared to juggernauts like Microsoft who can throw around $75B like it’s nothing.
Sony really needs to fight to stay in the game. That’s why it sometimes annoys me how people can dunk on Sony so bad sometimes. Like:
It’s like people don’t understand: They are a much smaller company than Xbox. They can’t afford to just drop games, that costs hundreds of millions to develop, on their $14 a month subscription service. They can’t take losses the way a trillion dollar company can.
They can’t just buy their way out of a slow output, by buying up two of the biggest publishers, and be praised for how much games they’re releasing, like Microsof does.
Having exclusives is a smart strategy to stay competitive and make your brand valuable. It’s what keeps them relevant in the space. But people want them to give it up and compete on the same terms as a trillion dollar company, they can’t. These are leverages for them to keep their company strong.
Microsoft has shown that you don’t need to be succesfull in the gaming space, you just need to throw around a bunch of money to be admired. And while i respect that in the business sense, i don’t respect it creatively. I will always support David over Goliath.
People don’t realise that Sony is the real underdog here, at least in the context of financial resources. Sony has to play the smart game here, they can’t play the rich game like Microsoft.
But they get so much negativity. Even just showing a ordinary chart like this in a financial report, which is boilerplate stuff, gets them heat from their user base, it’s ridiculous.
Some people seem to even be mad that they are profiting? Like literally every other company that profits? Even though their margins aren’t that big. I don’t see Microsoft getting heat for their profits, because let me tell you, they have profits. Oh boy, do they ever!
People saying Sony should have lowered their hardware prices? Meanwhile their console is the cheapest next gen high end console on the market and their competitor costs way more.
Or how people get their pitchforks whenever Sony even mentions live service and keep yelling for every game to fail, meanwhile EVERY other publisher have been doing live service for years, and people get aggressively monetized for $70 skins, but no one seems to care. I get that people might fear Sony losing it’s identity, but its frustrating they get slammed for even exploring things that every other publisher have been doing for years. Sony gets heat for such trivial things sometimes.
Ok, rant over, thanks to whoever managed to get to the end 😂
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@djlard
No, they just released a normal chart showing how their revenue and profit has developed over time. Boilerplate stuff, happens in virtually every company’s financial reports. They are not misleading anyone, those are factually correct numbers. It’s people themselves, who assign “intent” to Sony actions here. This is all just a bunch of noise about something completely normal
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
Somehow these charts seem to have created a negative perception. Some people are now looking negatively at what are totally normal business profit increases over time.
These charts are actually completely unsurprising and normal. Most companies will have historic profit charts that look similar to these.
Guess who also makes way more profits now than 30 years ago? Tencent, Microsoft, Google, Netflix, Apple, Meta, Take Two, EA, Samsung, Nvidia, Amazon, Nintendo, Need, I, Go, On?
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@John_Deacon
You must’ve not been following gaming news the last few years. Sony made mistakes pivoting a lot of their studios to live service. Most got cancelled which left a hole in their first party output. That’s a bit different from not caring. They just aren’t going to be able to pivot back so soon, since it takes a while to develop games
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@BigRadical
Nope, better divert your pitchforks towards the studios responsible for games like Fifa, CoD, Diablo etc.
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
Most companies make more profit then they did 25-30 years ago due to inflation, or else they’d probably be out of business, unless theyre some sort of non-profit or something. This is just a bunch of noise about nothing.
Instead of looking at the absolute profit figures, it’s best to look at the profit margins to see if things have really improved.
If we purely look at absolute profit , my local shoarma place also makes more money now for selling turkish pizza than he did 30 years ago. If you would look at the profit margin however, it’s probably about the same.
Looking at the chart, PS1 seems to have a better ratio of operating income to revenue than the PS5
Re: Rumour: Sony Wants Warner Bros' Gaming Assets, Like Mortal Kombat
Sony should definitely do this, if they can afford it. Maybe through a consortium for a majority and controlling stake. Just the DC and Wizardry IPs alone would be a huge get. But just imagine them owning their own streaming service with existing infrastructure and subscriber base. They could put crunchyroll and their own sony picture productions in the service and in one acquisition shoot to the top 3 global streaming services in the world, rivaling disney and netflix. They’d certainly be one of the biggest movie and tv production companies. And they’d be the only entertainment company with a dominant force in different media offerings ie movie/tv, music, anime and gaming. Remember this would be more of a Sony acquisition rather than for Playstation alone. The IP with transmedia potential they’d be getting would be unbelievable
Re: God of War's Rumoured Metroidvania Now Due in 2026 on PS5
Ah,… phooey! 😤 These leakers have me going on an emotional rollercoaster lol.
I agree @cainhurst94
Re: Rumour: Sony Wants Warner Bros' Gaming Assets, Like Mortal Kombat
Dont do it Sony, unless you get the ip rights as well. But i’m sure that won’t happen. Maybe if WB wants to sell the MK ip+Netherrealm for a good price.
If you want to spend, try to acquire Fromsoftware, Square Enix, CDPR or maybe try to acquire a substantial stake in Take Two.
Edit: Wait, so (if true) they’re eyeing to fully acquire WB, including it’s IP? Well thats a whole other proposition, in that case that would be huge. If they can get WB’s IP’s, they should definitely do it, for the right price
Re: There's a Brutal Lack of Interest in Marathon from Hardcore PS5 Fans
@Lowdefal I do agree with this, those were my first thoughts as well.
I think the tone of this article and using words like “doomed” is affecting perception of this game way more than anything else
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
@wildcat_kickz Yeah you’re right, that actually makes a lot of sense!
Re: There's a Brutal Lack of Interest in Marathon from Hardcore PS5 Fans
To be fair, i can’t see anyone here voting for Fortnite or CoD if those were on the list, but still those are enormously popular.
Guess these hardcore PS5 fan polls don’t always correlate well with real world outcomes. In this case it could be true though. As always, i’ll just wait and see how it’ll turn up. No need to speculate for me.
But then again, i’m one of the few who tried Concord and didn’t think it was all that bad 😆
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
@wildcat_kickz I’d argue that Sony paying smaller indie studios to develop some indie titles for it wouldn’t be that far outside the realm of possibility.
Yes, i can definitely see a scenario of some games on the console that can’t run on the handheld. And if they’re smart they will not enforce console-handheld parity, or console will be held back by this handheld much like the series S holds back the series X.
But i’m sure they’re smarter than that, or at least i hope
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
@Lowdefal I wouldn’t say there’s no chance. They could let some teams make some solid AA titles for it. Or outsource it to some smaller indie studios. Doesn’t have to be a lot or be AAA titles or anything
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
I’m definitely hyped for a new native Playstation handheld. If it allows cross-buy i’m down. Can’t wait to progressively get more info in the coming months. I do hope it gets its own exclusives as well
Re: Death Stranding 2 Feedback Was 'Too Good', So Hideo Kojima Made Big Changes
@Gelly
True, well said!
Re: Death Stranding 2 Feedback Was 'Too Good', So Hideo Kojima Made Big Changes
To everyone saying this is negative. While that might be true, i’d also like to point out that we don't know that what those early testers thought was good correlates with what you and I might think is good.
Also it’s a conversation he had with someone on his team, people are taking this way out of proportion. These discussions happen all the time during creative processes. Just judge the final product. If you like it, you like it. If you dont, well we can at least say that Kojima doesn’t care 😆
Re: Death Stranding 2 Feedback Was 'Too Good', So Hideo Kojima Made Big Changes
@CthulhuFhtagn
Dude, you’re quoting something he will never say and calling it pretentious 😅
Re: Death Stranding 2 Feedback Was 'Too Good', So Hideo Kojima Made Big Changes
@trev666 Some creatives just don’t like to create things that are too conventional. I can definitely relate to that.
Although, it’s probably in favor of the games commercial succes if its also balanced a bit by considering the reality of it needing to be palatable enough for most people to buy
Re: Geoff Keighley's Summer Game Fest Seems Unstoppable
Geoff Keighley really went all out this time, showing this bigass cock between his legs
Re: Stellar Blade 2 Dev Will Try Its Best to Hit 2027 Release, But Don't Expect It
Better release it fast before your audience goes blind by “enjoying” all those mods 😉
Re: Sony Lifts Region Locks on Its PC Games, Including Helldivers 2, The Last of Us, More
That’s good news for people in those regions! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Re: Final Fantasy 16 May Have Underperformed on PS5, But It's Doing Terribly on Xbox
Maybe we should stop reporting on it using the words underperformance. Words are propaganda. This sold 3 million in a week, thats better than most games.
Maybe what stopped it from performing better, is Square Enix’s incessant highlighting of how “bad” it was doing in the first few weeks, the media running away with those quotes, and thereby creating the perception that there might be something wrong with the game.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for June 2025?
@Lup You’re right, i didn’t really name them all. I’d advise people to check out for themselves. I’m genuinely curious what people think, and if they really think its that much better. Especially considering it costs more. I think in both cases you get what you pay for. So for PS+ you do get less, but you also pay less for the service
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for June 2025?
@Dan12836666
Have people actually compared the June PS+ additions to the June Game Pass additions?
There’s around 5 more additions than PS+. But besides FBC: Firebreak(also on PS+) and the Altars, its basically a bunch of small indie games including the likes of Barbie Friendship Project, Rematch, Symphonia and enhanced editions of Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 which released 6 years ago. Also crash bandicoot (2020).
For $20, is that really so much better than the PS+ additions?
Yo Sony, still waiting on that cheque…
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for June 2025?
For $11 thats amazing value. People here expect way too much. These games have a combined value of probably around $100 or something. You even get a Day One game from a very good studio in FBC: Firebreak.
People expect Ghost of Yotei for $11/month or something, geez
Yeah ok, let me have it, i’m a fanboy, shill, getting paid, whatever….
@UltimateOtaku91 Could you ask about my check too, please? Seems to be taking a while also 😌
Re: Devil May Cry 5 Can't Stop Selling, Now Tops 10 Million Units
Damn, Capcom ain’t slowing down for nobody! With so many great games already released, and amazing upcoming games like RE9, Onimusha, Pragmata and Okami 2, they’re the real VIP of this gen
Re: Stellar Blade's PC Mods Do More Than Remove Eve's Nanosuit
“I’m a decent baiter. My cousin Mose, that’s a master baiter.”
Re: Random: Official PlayStation Console Diorama Pieces Are on the Way
Ive never bought figurines or collectibles, except for a Michael Scott Funko Pop, but this looks kinda cool.
@Rich33 Same here with the PS4 Pro! I only had the Pro last gen, so the regular PS4 just doesnt look right to me lol
Re: 38% of PS Plus Members Are Paying More for Extra, Premium
@FatalBubbles You’re absolutely right! Sometimes people just forget that us hardcore gamers are only a small part of the total user base. The majority are casual users who don’t care about all this tribalism.
Some don’t even follow gaming news, or know what Game Pass is. They just want a solid service with lots of games for their Paystation. And for a reasonably small amount of money, PS+ offers exactly that.
Re: 38% of PS Plus Members Are Paying More for Extra, Premium
@FatalBubbles Fair points! And i totally agree with you actually. Value is definitely subjective.
I’m just pushing back a little against people saying PS+ is objectively bad. I think it’s weird how some of the gaming audience acts nowadays.
You don’t see people get mad at others for liking HBO Max, Disney+ or Amazon or whatever. People just let each other subscribe to whatever they think is valuable to them.
Some just want access to a library of Playstation games, and paying $14/month is worth it to them.
But in the gaming space we have to call eachother dumb for subscribing to certain tiers. It’s weird.
Also, you’re dumb if you subscribe to Netflix, because I don’t think it’s worth it 😉
Re: 38% of PS Plus Members Are Paying More for Extra, Premium
@Lup
What if some of those people are new to Playstation? Kids might be getting a new console. People might’ve switched from Xbox. People coming back to gaming after many years away. Some might be retro gamers. Some may want to try the VR games on the service, if they bought a PSVR. Some may be using streaming, for example people who just bought a Portal. Heck, some might just be rich AF, and just want the highest tier because they can 😆
Its all oke, people subscribe for different reasons, there’s no reason to tear them down. I’ve had premium myself in the past for some months, and continue to subscribe occasionally. I use it together with my kid to stream games, cause i think downloading takes way too long, and it made it way easier to test out a lot of games fast.
If you’re new to the ecosystem, what better way is there to play all their legacy games?
You’re getting acces to hits across PS1 to PS5, and current hits. For way less than it would be to buy them all.
Honestly, some of you guys have lost some perspective on this, and think the whole userbase is full of us hardcore gaming nerds. The user base is much broader than that
Re: 38% of PS Plus Members Are Paying More for Extra, Premium
This is gonna be an unpopular opinion, but I think PS Plus Premium is actually pretty good value. First off it costs $160 yearly, thats less than $14/month. And extra is even cheaper.
That is $80 cheaper than a year of Game Pass Ultimate where you pay $240 a year, (or $20/month), at least if we go with the official pricing.
Yes, GPU gets you some day one games, however day one game does not necessarily mean better games. Redfall was a day one title, and we know how that turned out.
PS Plus also does Day one occasionally, for example Sword of the Sea is a Day one title.
PS Plus also has 700+ games, 200 more than Game Pass. They also include PSVR games in there.
PS cloud streaming also offers streaming up to 4K, and a higher video bitrate than Xcloud.
And of course, it has Playstation games, from PS1 to PS5. Say what you will, Playstation exclusives are widely considered some of the best in gaming.
So more games, for less money.
Is it better value than Game Pass overall? It’s not. Day one still gives them the edge in that regard. But is PS Plus so bad as some say it is? I don’t think so at all, especially if you consider how much cheaper it is. (Again, based on official prices)
Alright, who wants to throw the first stone? Not all at once pls 😂
Re: Talking Point: What Are Your Most Anticipated PS5 Games for the Second Half of 2025?
I voted for Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2, Chronos: The new dawn, Sword of the Sea, but i forgot to vote for Silent Hill F.
Thats one hell of a line up for half a year btw, people saying this gen sucks are smoking some good stuff
Re: Rumour: Gears of War PS5's Blu-ray Will Include the Full Game on the Disc
Have to give props to Xbox for this one, good job!
Re: Sony Taking 'Very Measured' Approach to Picking Which PS5 Games Get PC Ports
Sounds like a reasonable and measured approach. It’s smart to not just port everything without thinking. One of the pillars of their business model is their exclusive games, so a measured porting approach is the best way
Re: 'People Are Less Willing to Pay': Dev Speaks Out Against Day One Releases on PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass
@Frmknst Nope, same game also costs $80 to buy over at Xbox. You’re talking about renting games indefinitely for $20 a month. Not the same as buying, so no need to compare
Re: 'People Are Less Willing to Pay': Dev Speaks Out Against Day One Releases on PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass
The real culprit here is capitalism and its unending push for growth causing most publishers to choke us with an ever increasing supply of games, usually with only profit in mind, further lowering the quality. Innovation is too risky, so yearly iterations of nearly the same game like Fifa and Cod and agressive microtransactions is what prevails.
We need to let the industry breath again. The supply is bloated, and this makes it hard for games to get noticed and sell. Where in the past, there may have been a few hundred games per year releasing, today there’s over a thousand games releasing every single year. Where innovation is sacrificed for safety, and where almost every game looks and plays like the other as a result
Re: PlayStation Studios: All Sony First-Party Developers and What They're Working On
@Boxmonkey Why is it depressing? We don’t know anything about the quality of those games, so you must be talking about the quantity. If we add the studios Push Square havent added yet like XDev, Bungie, TeamLFG and Dark Outlaws Games, i count 14 games in development.
I wonder how that compares to other publishers with the same amount of studios. I think they’re doing pretty good.
If you compare it to Xbox for example, who are working on around 16 games at the moment, according to a similar article on PX a few days ago, I’d say its pretty good overall. Especially considering Xbox has around double the studios Sony has
Re: Days Gone Dev Reportedly Hit with Layoffs, Loses 30% of Staff
The way i see it, however unfortunate, they can’t keep people on the payroll indefinitely. A lot of people working in this industry are contract workers, much like the movie industry for example. Some of them might get hired back when their talents are needed again. I’m not saying that’s ideal, but that’s the way it is right now.
From what i can tell, Sony offered them to do Days Gone 2 (non live service) and they didn’t want to. They also refused a Syphon Filter reboot apparently. Whatever their project was that got cancelled, we don't know if Sony is to blame. We don’t know any details. It might’ve even been a good call. I mean, do we even know what they were working on?
Re: Days Gone Dev Reportedly Hit with Layoffs, Loses 30% of Staff
@EfYI Oh sh*t, that one got me 😆
Re: Yep, PlayStation's PC Games Will Be Playable on Xbox's New Handheld System
@crackeastwood There seem to be a bunch of guys here claiming they are Chris Hemsworth, which is ridiculous. It’s lame, stupid and pretty unfunny. Also they are totally lying.
Because I am the real Chris Hemsworth
Re: Yep, PlayStation's PC Games Will Be Playable on Xbox's New Handheld System
@Slideaway1983 @Dimey @AdamNovice Will the real Chris Hemsworth please stand up?
Re: Yep, PlayStation's PC Games Will Be Playable on Xbox's New Handheld System
@Perturbator Well if that’s an Xbox, because you can play Xbox games on it. Then i guess this ROG Xbox Ally X is actually a Playstation 😝
Re: Days Gone Dev Reportedly Hit with Layoffs, Loses 30% of Staff
@Paleblood I do agree, but that’s looking back on it with hindsight. However, wasn’t it Bend themselves that didn’t want to do a Days Gone 2? Folks are quick to blame Sony for that, but as far as i understand they didn’t even want to make a sequel
Re: Yep, PlayStation's PC Games Will Be Playable on Xbox's New Handheld System
I wonder if this changes Sony’s porting strategy to PC in any way.
I still see this more as PC handheld though, not a real Xbox
Re: Splitgate 2 (PS5) - Sleek Shooter Sequel Is Uninspired Fun
@Lolwutz Maybe not awesome. But great. #MFPSGA
Re: Splitgate 2 (PS5) - Sleek Shooter Sequel Is Uninspired Fun
You guys are crazy! This game is F-ing awesome! walks off with coolguy bat swagger
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@darylb24
I’m not making an assumption. They clearly said they’d put PS logos on the games that are coming to Playstation. They didn’t put a logo on those games i mentioned. That’s what i’m basing this on. I’m not talking about some hypothetical future. For now, they are exclusive.
Whats wrong with exclusivity btw? Nothing wrong in my book with Keeper, Clockwork Revoluation and Grounded 2 being exclusive to Xbox. It’s a common strategy in business to get people to use your platform/product/service. Ever heard of Netflix Originals?
Keeping it multiplat? Their games were never multiplat. They just started porting their games to PS starting last year, because they had to
Re: 'Good Luck with That' - The Outer Worlds 2 $80 Price Has Gone Down Horribly with PS5 Players
@Ooccoo_Jr Exactly! I know i’m in the minority here, but I’ve said it before. I think $80 is a reasonable price to ask for some games (especially polished triple A games) when you look at the amount of time and resources it takes to develop them. Does that mean i like it? Hell no. But you can always wait till it lowers to $50 in a few months.
I also see people buying $120 shoes or $40 for a vinyl record. I just bought two tickets to a jazz festival for $300+. It’s all relative