and you think people talking objectively about the negatives are an attack on this dear company that you love, for some reason
Exactly right, it’s like we can’t even discuss things objectively about the gaming industry anymore, without people saying its about bashing other companies or services.
I don’t care if people prefer Playstation or Xbox. I just don’t understand why people can’t discuss things nuanced and objectively anymore. The amount of deflection, cognitive bias and dissonance in discussions online can be staggering sometimes
Pure square isn't playstation I can be critical of this site and it has nothing to do with playstation the console or Sony!
just like I can give an opinion on it aswell works both ways.
Especially with a comments section on the story they are looking for peoples opinions on the subject I gave mine.✌️
For the record, you’re totally allowed to have an opinion. I’m just reacting to your opinion. That’s what happens in public discourse, maybe get used to it in stead of saying you can’t critize Push Square or Playstation 🤷🏻♂️
You can totally criticize Playstation btw, most here do that constantly, so be my guest ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼
Ok??
But at the same time isn't I story like this stocking a console war??
Reporting on quotes from people in the gaming industry who have insight in these things is important, it can give better insight than most of us discussing these things we hardly know about.
Funny how you say Hine’s quotes can be considere fueling a console war, but i’d say, your quotes about PS “bashing Game Pass/Xbox” can be considered stocking a console war way more than reporting on his quotes 🤷🏻♂️
I'm not a developer, shareholder or CEO. I'm not even a fanboy. I simply play games. And for me being able to play Doom Dark Ages, Clair Obscur, Wuchang and Ninja Gaiden 4 day one for a price of game pass sub is very beneficial. Throw feces at me if it will help you to sleep at night.
No feces will be hurled at you my friend. If someone in the industry says content creators aren’t properly valued and rewarded, and you don’t care, then feel free to sleep sound at night, fecesless 😆
so I won't be tracking down this dude to give him telling off it's not that important really
“take it up with the ex Bethesda chief” is just a figure of speech, you don’t really have to track him down 😉
What i mean by it, is that Push Square is only reporting on his quotes. It’s not like Push Square is bashing any service or platform as you said in your original comment.
These are pretty important quotes from someone who has insight in the industry and Game Pass.
So if he says, with caveats, that content creators aren’t properly valued and rewarded then that should be listened to, in stead of immediately telling for a gaming news site that they’re “bashing” your favorite service or platform. Not everyone is preoccupied with console wars as some of you guys are
Nothing like a good old gamepass/Xbox bashing to start the weekend guys!!
Push Square is the worst about this. They’re purely negative about almost everything
You do realize these quotes come from someone else right? Push Square is just reporting on it. If you think this is biased, take it up with the ex Bethesda chief.
Push Square on the other hand, is even saying Game Pass “does represent good value”
If anything, Push Square seems to be negative about everything, even Playstation half of the time i feel
I am not the target audience for this IP, and the first showing of this game did not appeal to me at all, so i decided not to watch this live.
But now that i’ve watched it, i must say it does look good. Combat looks good, shooting as well, graphics are nice, love these big crowds, nice gameplay, only the driving looks a bit weird and floaty.
But all in all, it impressed me, good SoP. Now on to the next one! 😉
You would price the non-digital PS5 at $380 in 2025, so $70 cheaper than the Switch 2 which offers significantly less performance, and $220 cheaper than a non-digital Series X which offers equivalent performance.
Playstation does not exist in a vacuum.
I was literally gonna reply that same exact thing, almost word for word, except for the last sentence. Already had it typed out, but I was just kind of stunned by that whole response that i just didnt know how to react to it further. But yeah, well said lol 👍🏼
@BAMozzy If cost of entry to an ecosystem is the issue, there are many options to circumvent that. You could buy a second hand PS5 for example, and i’ve seen them go for as low as $150.
But that’s not the main issue people are discussing here. People are claiming the PS5 is too expensive. But in reality, the PS5 is the cheapest high end console on the market.
There aren’t any high end consoles that are cheaper than a PS5. It’s $50 cheaper than an Xbox and $50 more than the new Switch 2. I think thats a totally fair price. I think it’s unreasonable for people to expect Sony to make the PS5 cheaper than a Switch, especially since the PS5 has higher end hardware.
And as many have pointed out already, that baseline price point of $300 you mentioned, if you account for inflation, would still be between $500-$600 in todays money. So the pricing doesnt really seem out of line.
Unfortunately, due to inflation, the affordability of these consoles might start pricing people out. I’m not saying i agree with it, but that’s what he current situation is
Before the Switch 2 released the PS5 Digital was also at $450, but i can definitely understand that they couldn’t keep those prices, especially since the PS5 is a more powerful machine.
Even after the recent increase, i think Sony has priced their console competitively and fair compared to their competition in the console space. How would you price the PS5?
Actually, for everyone here saying the PS5 is priced too expensive. What do you think they should price it at? And should they totally ignore competitors pricing when determining that?
@Balosi You’re right! So they will really have to think carefully about how they’re going to approach next gen.
Next gen consoles will either be very expensive, and thereby alienating a large part of the userbase. Or they could go back to a loss leading strategy by heavily subsidizing the cost of their console, and having to rely on software sales to make up for those losses.
But component prices do go down eventually, but maybe not in the same way as in the past. So comparing console price decreases to previous generations is futile.
Just as we can’t compare high end smartphone prices of today to what they were 15-20 years ago, we also can’t compare console prices or decreases of today to what they were n the past.
Economic conditions change, technology sometimes reaches plateaus, which affects pricing. Things might change again in the future though, i’m not saying it will always stay like this
The real reason is that the industry is too bloated. Too many games constantly releasing, and they can’t all expect that their games will sell over 10M. There’s just not enough free time for people, and money to be spend for all these games releasing. The market is saturated
Just to clarify, consoles in the past used to lower their prices during a console generation because the cost of the components went down. Now that component prices didn’t really go down, and in some cases went up, how do people expect them to lower their prices?
Not only did their main competitor increase the pricing on their consoles, almost all consumer electronics that uses these parts have increased in price. Actually , consoles hardly even increased in price relative to other consumer electronics such as phones, pc parts etc.
I think people often reason too much with how they feel things should cost rather than understanding why they’re priced that way. Why should consoles be the only product immune to rising costs and inflation? (Which affect all industries today)
All this talk about PS5 being too expensive, i bet building a PC with the same specs still comes pretty close to the same costs as the PS5. Shouldnt console prices also be based on manufacturing costs?
Why is Sony criticized for their pricing, while again, they have the cheapest high end consoles on the market. If high end consoles could be made that much cheaper, then why aren’t competitors lowering their consoles prices?
It already only costs $50 more than the new Switch 2. Are people suggesting it should be priced the same, especially since the PS5 has better hardware?
Meanwhile PS5 is the cheapest high end console on the market 🤷🏻♂️
Didn’t MH:Worlds reach 10M sales already in march this year? Probably sold even more now. How high were their expectations in the first place?
Can’t really blame a platform for your games not selling up to your standard though. Why not lower the pricing of your own games in stead of complaining to other companies that they should lower theirs. When some of these CEO’s talk they make it seem like i can be a CEO 🤦🏻♂️
I think i’m one of a few who didnt think the trailer was appealing at all, but hey maybe this’ll change my mind, wont be watching it live though, just not interested. Hope they still do a proper SoP near Tokyo Game Show
They should just be upfront, show what build they currently have to the world, and ask people if its interesting enough or not? If not, just cancel it, many people will understand and already expect it at this moment
Serious respect to these guys! I havent been gaming a lot lately, but i am gonna pick this game up eventually! It just keeps getting better and better and this just looks frickin awesome! Good job HelloGames 👍🏼
Look at the piss poor performance we're getting in some games already and theres still a few years of the gen left. This gen was touted as 4K/60
What do you mean? Plenty of games run at 4k60, especially in the beginning of the consoles life cycle, but that can’t always be the case.
Graphics and engines keep progressing, engines are capable of more things and technologies emerge that require more and more graphics power. Do you expect games to not progress in fidelity? Games become more sophisticated, bigger, better textures, more complex AI and higher fidelity. Thats why new PC graphics cards keep releasing every year.
So ofcourse a ps5, with a graphics card equivalent of a rtx 2070, isnt going to be able to hit targets like 4k60 forever, because games get more demanding to run.
Heck, even a PC with a 4000 series rtx card can’t even play some of these new games on 4K60 anymore, and thats a newer card than what’s in a ps5.
It’s called progression, that’s just how technology works. We can’t expect the ps5 to just keep up indefinitely with increasingly demanding games
To all the people waiting for ps5 to be pushed to its limits: The limit has been reached a while ago. Right now we have 1440p60 with a little bit of ray tracing, 4k30 with full ray tracing or even 4k60 without ray tracing. Not really sure what some of you guys are waiting for.
Games like Death Stranding 2, Hellblade 2, Indiana Jones, GoW: Ragnarok, Horizon FW, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora, Wukong, Alan Wake 2 and even Astro Bot are some of the best looking games we’re gonna see this generation.
Sure there’ll probably be some even prettier graphics coming like GTA6, Intergalactic and Forza 6. But people here act like there’s so much horsepower being left on the table or something. There’s not gonna be some revolutionary graphics upgrade. Thats not how this works, we’re already approaching photo realism and there’s only so much current tech can do.
The ps5 has an equivalent of a rtx2070, so i dont know what more everyone expects from this machine
People here sound like grandpa’s talking about the good old days of past generations. Yeah houses used to cost a years salary. But times change. The world is changing fast. The PS6 generation might be even more different than any generation before it.
Heck, consoles might be a thing of the past sooner than we think. We might even have flying cars everywhere in a few decades. Things are progressing exponentially and people need to adjust to things changing faster than ever, and not compare everything to how things was done 15, 10 or even 5 years ago
I love the contrast of how some are complaining about new consoles coming up while others say ps5 already has old hardware.
I wonder if there’s another industry where it’s userbase constantly complain about new hardware being released? Do people get mad when new cars, laptops or furniture comes out? Probably they just let other people buy what they want and decide for themselves if they want to upgrade or not
That simply is not true. Consoles upon release are already old tech. That is how they (in theory) make them cheap. The PS5 is a dinosaur compared to even a basic gaming PC.
I was talking about PCs that match the specs of the console, because ofcourse you can buy PC’s with far better specs than the current generation consoles, but it’ll cost an appropriate amount more.
If you buy a PC thats similarly specced at the launch of a console it will cost you more. Yes maybe if you wait to buy it towards the end of a consoles life cycle it might be a different story, but that then begs the question, why would you even buy a PC with such old specs?
The reason console manufacturers can make them cheap is because they buy components in bulk, and they subsidize them in hopes of future software sales, thats why its usually a closed system. They do whats called loss leading.
Its not just because of older specs. Because even though consoles have older or mid range specs at the time of release, you still cant buy the same specced PC for the same price.
Many tried finding PCs with similar specs as the PS5 Pro when that launched and the cheapest was around $1000-$1200, while the PS5 Pro went for $699.
If the PS6 costs $799, i am a 100% certain that you won’t be able to build a PC for the same price. You know why? Because that would totally destroy Sony’s business model and make their product obsolete. No, PC will always be more expensive at the launch of a console. When that stops being true, it will probably be the end of consoles anyway, as one of their main reason for existince is their subsidized pricing
Personally i thought they’d extend it to end of 2028, and i would have preffered that. But hearing all this rumours of next gen Xbox i’m sure Playstation wouldnt want a repeat of x360 era where they released a year later.
I agree with the first post saying we don’t need yearly updates of phone and all types of electronics, but people like to have it.
And also saying it’ll be better to switch to PC if consoles get more expensive isn’t really accounting for the fact that same specced PC’s will always stay more expensive relative to consoles 👀
”Consider" and "focus on" are two different things, though.
But there's obviously a wink wink nudge nudge "understanding" that if you're not considering cross-media potential, you're likely doomed these days.
Hate to be so pedantic, but now you’re using the word consider.
understanding how a new concept can turn into an iconic franchise for PlayStation that can then again become a franchise for people beyond gaming
Again, what i understand from that quote is just that they’re trying to understand how to turn concepts in to iconic franchises and those iconic franchises can then become franchises beyond gaming.
We already see that push beyong gaming through Playstation Productions like Twisted Metal and TLoU tv show, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Until Dawn movies and the upcoming Helldivers movie, God of War tv show, Ghost of Thushima anime etc.
It’s something many other studios and publishers did as well, almost every publisher looked at which IP they can make a franchise of and expand beyond gaming like Devil May Cry anime, Witcher tv show, Borderlands movie, Minecraft movie, Halo tv show, Mario movie, Mortal Kombat movies, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Angry Bird, Street Fighter, Warcraft etc.
I’m aware that some of those were already established gaming franchises, but they still expanded it beyond gaming, which is something Sony wants to do as well to reach greater audiences.
And i’m very sure other studios and publishers are considering cross media potential when brainstorming new IP as well, and personally i don't think that necessarily has to be a bad thing. It could be though, i agree with you there
@RBMango This is going to be a brief response after such a well thoughout response, because i pretty much agree with everything you said. For the record, i also think their approach to live service was horrible. I also think their approach to Helldivers 2 and Marvel Tokon is more sustainable and more in line of what i expect and would like to see more of from Sony
"Consider" and "focus on" are two different things, though. And they seem to want to REQUIRE most properties be cross-media capable. That just puts a ton of undue pressure on their developers.
I completely agree with you on that. But lets look at the quote Push Square highlighted:
“We take a very intentional approach to IP creation […] understanding how a new concept can turn into an iconic franchise for PlayStation that can then again become a franchise for people beyond gaming.”
It doesnt actually say that theres a requirement though, they’re just looking at understanding how new concept can be developed in to iconic franchises and reach audiences outside of gaming.
There also seems to be a part missing, where two different sentences seem to be placed after another. So we’re missing a bit of context, it seems. Sometimes these quotes are taken way out of context.
But hey, if there is such a requirement, yeah that would be pretty stupid
@TrollOfWar LOL! Sony’s diversification strategy is getting out of hand.
Wait you dont know about their service where you can hire someone to dress up as your favourite character and…. Never mind, i’d better stop before this joke gets flagged 😆
@MFTWrecks I do agree that typically you’d want a games success to organically grow to other media forms. And not every IP can be designed to be iconic from the get go. But i don’t think its that unrrasonable to consider cross media potential during the IP creation process
@Robocod Good points about Hulst appointing and surrounding himself with former employees and thereby possibly creating a environment that might have difficulties pushing back on his decisions
Sometimes, the average person who wants more fun in their games definitely knows better and
You might be right. I, like many here, like to speculate and strategize what Sony needs to do. However, while i agree that they’ve made some stupid decisions, i think you might underestimate the complexity of making such big corporate decisions.
Sure, some of us might have good ideas, but which of those ideas would you follow?
Some of us want sequels, some only want new IPs. Some want IPs to be remade, some hate Remakes. Most only play live service, some of us despise live service. Some want them to focus on AAA exclusives, some want them to focus on indie and AA. There are so many conflicting opinions about everything here, how would you know which decisions to push for?
Even gamers on this site have wildly different expectstions of what they think Sony should do.
Not too mention having to grow financially and keep stockholders happy in an industry that is highly unpredictable. There’s a lot more to it than people clamoring for more “fun” games, especially if those “fun” games don’t sell well. Fun sadly, doesnt always correlate with succesfull. That’s why i referred to Astro Bot in my original post, an undeniably fun game, but it didnt exactly light the world on fire commercialy.
I think Sony is doing their best to diversify their content by focusing on single player, live service, indie (through their many hero projects) while also trying to create IP that they can utilize through the rest of their businesses like Sony Pictures and Music.
Don’t get me wrong, they’ve made some pretty stupid decisions, which i’m not a fan of. But the fact that so many studios everywhere are closing and games fail to deliver commercialy, tells us that its really not that easy to know what gamers want. It’s not only Sony who is struggling with finding the right answers
“They just need to understand gamers and bring the fun back in games!” - Average Push Square commenter
Meanwhile statistics show most gamers play everything from Fortnite, FIFA and CoD to other F2P crap. Deciphering what gamers want is so easy to do for us armchair anaylists, but hardly ever correlates with reality. Saying they need to just bring back the fun in games is so easy when you don’t have a clue which type of games will be succesful anymore nowadays.
Sony made arguably one of the funnest games in their repertoire, which was lauded by critics and users, and even won more than a hundred GOTY awards, but hardly moved the needle commercialy speaking.
But yeah, people here know all the answers 😎
Edit: Also, taking an intentional approach to IP creation doesnt mean it can’t be fun games, as always people here are taking a statement and use elaborate ways to make it mean anything their imagination wants it to mean
Adjusted my expectations accordingly, so it was just fine for me. These shows usually just focus on game updates and release dates anyway, rather than new announcements. I’ll give it an “Okay”
The games i liked: Ghost of Yotei (Legends!), Chronos, Silent Hill F, Onimusha, KCD2 Blacksmith expansion, Batman Lego, project Spectrum
Sony makes such dumb decisions sometimes, in stead of creating IP for themselves they only produce them for other companies.
But yeah Sony Animation was probably just payed to make a movie for Netflix in this case, so it’s only logical and fair that they own the IP.
All in all, it’s still good marketing for Sony Animation. I’ve been very impressed with their movies and the art styles used like Spiderman, Mitchell vs the machines and K-pop Demon Hunters.
Just a shame they don’t produce these kinds of IP for themselves (except for the Mitchell one i think).
But I think being easily pleased and accepting any old slop is the real problem
Sword of the Sea is a Day 1 game. And most of these games (besides Spiderman) are around 1 to 2 years old. How many Day 1 games should they add this month in your opinion, for you to not consider this “old slop”?
People expect so much from a service that costs as low as $13/month.
Personally, considering there’s even a Day 1 game on it, some of the best retro titles of the PS1 generation and 12 games with a msrp worth that far exceeds the $13/month the service asks for, i think this is great value. Sure, the titles offered will always be subjective. But where you might find people are “easily pleased and accepting”, i find people who think this month is crap a bit too negative.
I’m genuinely curious, if you were to be honest (and reasonable), what type of games do you expect for $13/month?
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Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Ravix
Exactly right, it’s like we can’t even discuss things objectively about the gaming industry anymore, without people saying its about bashing other companies or services.
I don’t care if people prefer Playstation or Xbox. I just don’t understand why people can’t discuss things nuanced and objectively anymore. The amount of deflection, cognitive bias and dissonance in discussions online can be staggering sometimes
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Ricky-Spanish
For the record, you’re totally allowed to have an opinion. I’m just reacting to your opinion. That’s what happens in public discourse, maybe get used to it in stead of saying you can’t critize Push Square or Playstation 🤷🏻♂️
You can totally criticize Playstation btw, most here do that constantly, so be my guest ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Ricky-Spanish
Reporting on quotes from people in the gaming industry who have insight in these things is important, it can give better insight than most of us discussing these things we hardly know about.
Funny how you say Hine’s quotes can be considere fueling a console war, but i’d say, your quotes about PS “bashing Game Pass/Xbox” can be considered stocking a console war way more than reporting on his quotes 🤷🏻♂️
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Dalamar
No feces will be hurled at you my friend. If someone in the industry says content creators aren’t properly valued and rewarded, and you don’t care, then feel free to sleep sound at night, fecesless 😆
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Ricky-Spanish You imply it though, by immediately turning to saying things like: they’re bashing Xbox/Game Pass etc.
Maybe you’re not into console wars, but lets just say this, people who immediately turn to saying those things usually are ✌🏼
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
“take it up with the ex Bethesda chief” is just a figure of speech, you don’t really have to track him down 😉
What i mean by it, is that Push Square is only reporting on his quotes. It’s not like Push Square is bashing any service or platform as you said in your original comment.
These are pretty important quotes from someone who has insight in the industry and Game Pass.
So if he says, with caveats, that content creators aren’t properly valued and rewarded then that should be listened to, in stead of immediately telling for a gaming news site that they’re “bashing” your favorite service or platform. Not everyone is preoccupied with console wars as some of you guys are
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Ricky-Spanish @Darkri74345
You do realize these quotes come from someone else right? Push Square is just reporting on it. If you think this is biased, take it up with the ex Bethesda chief.
Push Square on the other hand, is even saying Game Pass “does represent good value”
If anything, Push Square seems to be negative about everything, even Playstation half of the time i feel
Re: Wolverine PS5 to Finally Be Revealed in Next State of Play, It's Claimed
@Nyne11Tyme
Not judging, but i think you’re on the wrong website, my friend 😏
I’d watch that crossover though 👀😆
Re: 007 First Light Brings James Bond to PS5 on 27th March
I am not the target audience for this IP, and the first showing of this game did not appeal to me at all, so i decided not to watch this live.
But now that i’ve watched it, i must say it does look good. Combat looks good, shooting as well, graphics are nice, love these big crowds, nice gameplay, only the driving looks a bit weird and floaty.
But all in all, it impressed me, good SoP. Now on to the next one! 😉
Re: Wolverine PS5 to Finally Be Revealed in Next State of Play, It's Claimed
Seriously?! Let’s goooooo 😎
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
@Ainu20
I was literally gonna reply that same exact thing, almost word for word, except for the last sentence. Already had it typed out, but I was just kind of stunned by that whole response that i just didnt know how to react to it further. But yeah, well said lol 👍🏼
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
@BAMozzy If cost of entry to an ecosystem is the issue, there are many options to circumvent that. You could buy a second hand PS5 for example, and i’ve seen them go for as low as $150.
But that’s not the main issue people are discussing here. People are claiming the PS5 is too expensive. But in reality, the PS5 is the cheapest high end console on the market.
There aren’t any high end consoles that are cheaper than a PS5. It’s $50 cheaper than an Xbox and $50 more than the new Switch 2. I think thats a totally fair price. I think it’s unreasonable for people to expect Sony to make the PS5 cheaper than a Switch, especially since the PS5 has higher end hardware.
And as many have pointed out already, that baseline price point of $300 you mentioned, if you account for inflation, would still be between $500-$600 in todays money. So the pricing doesnt really seem out of line.
Unfortunately, due to inflation, the affordability of these consoles might start pricing people out. I’m not saying i agree with it, but that’s what he current situation is
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
@Porco
Current prices:
Before the Switch 2 released the PS5 Digital was also at $450, but i can definitely understand that they couldn’t keep those prices, especially since the PS5 is a more powerful machine.
Even after the recent increase, i think Sony has priced their console competitively and fair compared to their competition in the console space. How would you price the PS5?
Actually, for everyone here saying the PS5 is priced too expensive. What do you think they should price it at? And should they totally ignore competitors pricing when determining that?
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
@Balosi You’re right! So they will really have to think carefully about how they’re going to approach next gen.
Next gen consoles will either be very expensive, and thereby alienating a large part of the userbase. Or they could go back to a loss leading strategy by heavily subsidizing the cost of their console, and having to rely on software sales to make up for those losses.
But component prices do go down eventually, but maybe not in the same way as in the past. So comparing console price decreases to previous generations is futile.
Just as we can’t compare high end smartphone prices of today to what they were 15-20 years ago, we also can’t compare console prices or decreases of today to what they were n the past.
Economic conditions change, technology sometimes reaches plateaus, which affects pricing. Things might change again in the future though, i’m not saying it will always stay like this
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
The real reason is that the industry is too bloated. Too many games constantly releasing, and they can’t all expect that their games will sell over 10M. There’s just not enough free time for people, and money to be spend for all these games releasing. The market is saturated
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
Just to clarify, consoles in the past used to lower their prices during a console generation because the cost of the components went down. Now that component prices didn’t really go down, and in some cases went up, how do people expect them to lower their prices?
Not only did their main competitor increase the pricing on their consoles, almost all consumer electronics that uses these parts have increased in price. Actually , consoles hardly even increased in price relative to other consumer electronics such as phones, pc parts etc.
I think people often reason too much with how they feel things should cost rather than understanding why they’re priced that way. Why should consoles be the only product immune to rising costs and inflation? (Which affect all industries today)
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
All this talk about PS5 being too expensive, i bet building a PC with the same specs still comes pretty close to the same costs as the PS5. Shouldnt console prices also be based on manufacturing costs?
Why is Sony criticized for their pricing, while again, they have the cheapest high end consoles on the market. If high end consoles could be made that much cheaper, then why aren’t competitors lowering their consoles prices?
It already only costs $50 more than the new Switch 2. Are people suggesting it should be priced the same, especially since the PS5 has better hardware?
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
Meanwhile PS5 is the cheapest high end console on the market 🤷🏻♂️
Didn’t MH:Worlds reach 10M sales already in march this year? Probably sold even more now. How high were their expectations in the first place?
Can’t really blame a platform for your games not selling up to your standard though. Why not lower the pricing of your own games in stead of complaining to other companies that they should lower theirs. When some of these CEO’s talk they make it seem like i can be a CEO 🤦🏻♂️
Re: State of Play Confirmed for 3rd September, Deep Dive on 007 First Light
I think i’m one of a few who didnt think the trailer was appealing at all, but hey maybe this’ll change my mind, wont be watching it live though, just not interested. Hope they still do a proper SoP near Tokyo Game Show
Re: Sony's Troubled Live Service Game Fairgames Just Can't Catch a Break
They should just be upfront, show what build they currently have to the world, and ask people if its interesting enough or not? If not, just cancel it, many people will understand and already expect it at this moment
Re: Ghost of Yotei Focuses on Firearms in Latest PS5 Gameplay Video
Combat looks sick! But i have to say, those ground textures are buggin me. How can they make the decision to leave it like that?
Re: No Man's Sky Voyagers Reinvents Player Ships in Latest Free Mega-Update on PS5, PS4
Serious respect to these guys! I havent been gaming a lot lately, but i am gonna pick this game up eventually! It just keeps getting better and better and this just looks frickin awesome! Good job HelloGames 👍🏼
Re: 'There's No Real Need for a PS6': Industry Veteran Weighs in on Next-Gen Debate
@Andy22385
What do you mean? Plenty of games run at 4k60, especially in the beginning of the consoles life cycle, but that can’t always be the case.
Graphics and engines keep progressing, engines are capable of more things and technologies emerge that require more and more graphics power. Do you expect games to not progress in fidelity? Games become more sophisticated, bigger, better textures, more complex AI and higher fidelity. Thats why new PC graphics cards keep releasing every year.
So ofcourse a ps5, with a graphics card equivalent of a rtx 2070, isnt going to be able to hit targets like 4k60 forever, because games get more demanding to run.
Heck, even a PC with a 4000 series rtx card can’t even play some of these new games on 4K60 anymore, and thats a newer card than what’s in a ps5.
It’s called progression, that’s just how technology works. We can’t expect the ps5 to just keep up indefinitely with increasingly demanding games
Re: 'There's No Real Need for a PS6': Industry Veteran Weighs in on Next-Gen Debate
To all the people waiting for ps5 to be pushed to its limits: The limit has been reached a while ago. Right now we have 1440p60 with a little bit of ray tracing, 4k30 with full ray tracing or even 4k60 without ray tracing. Not really sure what some of you guys are waiting for.
Games like Death Stranding 2, Hellblade 2, Indiana Jones, GoW: Ragnarok, Horizon FW, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora, Wukong, Alan Wake 2 and even Astro Bot are some of the best looking games we’re gonna see this generation.
Sure there’ll probably be some even prettier graphics coming like GTA6, Intergalactic and Forza 6. But people here act like there’s so much horsepower being left on the table or something. There’s not gonna be some revolutionary graphics upgrade. Thats not how this works, we’re already approaching photo realism and there’s only so much current tech can do.
The ps5 has an equivalent of a rtx2070, so i dont know what more everyone expects from this machine
Re: 'There's No Real Need for a PS6': Industry Veteran Weighs in on Next-Gen Debate
People here sound like grandpa’s talking about the good old days of past generations. Yeah houses used to cost a years salary. But times change. The world is changing fast. The PS6 generation might be even more different than any generation before it.
Heck, consoles might be a thing of the past sooner than we think. We might even have flying cars everywhere in a few decades. Things are progressing exponentially and people need to adjust to things changing faster than ever, and not compare everything to how things was done 15, 10 or even 5 years ago
Re: 'There's No Real Need for a PS6': Industry Veteran Weighs in on Next-Gen Debate
I love the contrast of how some are complaining about new consoles coming up while others say ps5 already has old hardware.
I wonder if there’s another industry where it’s userbase constantly complain about new hardware being released? Do people get mad when new cars, laptops or furniture comes out? Probably they just let other people buy what they want and decide for themselves if they want to upgrade or not
Re: 'There's No Real Need for a PS6': Industry Veteran Weighs in on Next-Gen Debate
@LifeGirl
I was talking about PCs that match the specs of the console, because ofcourse you can buy PC’s with far better specs than the current generation consoles, but it’ll cost an appropriate amount more.
If you buy a PC thats similarly specced at the launch of a console it will cost you more. Yes maybe if you wait to buy it towards the end of a consoles life cycle it might be a different story, but that then begs the question, why would you even buy a PC with such old specs?
The reason console manufacturers can make them cheap is because they buy components in bulk, and they subsidize them in hopes of future software sales, thats why its usually a closed system. They do whats called loss leading.
Its not just because of older specs. Because even though consoles have older or mid range specs at the time of release, you still cant buy the same specced PC for the same price.
Many tried finding PCs with similar specs as the PS5 Pro when that launched and the cheapest was around $1000-$1200, while the PS5 Pro went for $699.
If the PS6 costs $799, i am a 100% certain that you won’t be able to build a PC for the same price. You know why? Because that would totally destroy Sony’s business model and make their product obsolete. No, PC will always be more expensive at the launch of a console. When that stops being true, it will probably be the end of consoles anyway, as one of their main reason for existince is their subsidized pricing
Re: 'There's No Real Need for a PS6': Industry Veteran Weighs in on Next-Gen Debate
Personally i thought they’d extend it to end of 2028, and i would have preffered that. But hearing all this rumours of next gen Xbox i’m sure Playstation wouldnt want a repeat of x360 era where they released a year later.
I agree with the first post saying we don’t need yearly updates of phone and all types of electronics, but people like to have it.
And also saying it’ll be better to switch to PC if consoles get more expensive isn’t really accounting for the fact that same specced PC’s will always stay more expensive relative to consoles 👀
Re: 'The Number of Live Service Games Is Not Important': PS5 Boss Gives Rare Insight into Strategy
@MFTWrecks
Hate to be so pedantic, but now you’re using the word consider.
Again, what i understand from that quote is just that they’re trying to understand how to turn concepts in to iconic franchises and those iconic franchises can then become franchises beyond gaming.
We already see that push beyong gaming through Playstation Productions like Twisted Metal and TLoU tv show, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Until Dawn movies and the upcoming Helldivers movie, God of War tv show, Ghost of Thushima anime etc.
It’s something many other studios and publishers did as well, almost every publisher looked at which IP they can make a franchise of and expand beyond gaming like Devil May Cry anime, Witcher tv show, Borderlands movie, Minecraft movie, Halo tv show, Mario movie, Mortal Kombat movies, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Angry Bird, Street Fighter, Warcraft etc.
I’m aware that some of those were already established gaming franchises, but they still expanded it beyond gaming, which is something Sony wants to do as well to reach greater audiences.
And i’m very sure other studios and publishers are considering cross media potential when brainstorming new IP as well, and personally i don't think that necessarily has to be a bad thing. It could be though, i agree with you there
Re: 'The Number of Live Service Games Is Not Important': PS5 Boss Gives Rare Insight into Strategy
@RBMango This is going to be a brief response after such a well thoughout response, because i pretty much agree with everything you said. For the record, i also think their approach to live service was horrible. I also think their approach to Helldivers 2 and Marvel Tokon is more sustainable and more in line of what i expect and would like to see more of from Sony
Re: 'The Number of Live Service Games Is Not Important': PS5 Boss Gives Rare Insight into Strategy
@MFTWrecks
I completely agree with you on that. But lets look at the quote Push Square highlighted:
It doesnt actually say that theres a requirement though, they’re just looking at understanding how new concept can be developed in to iconic franchises and reach audiences outside of gaming.
There also seems to be a part missing, where two different sentences seem to be placed after another. So we’re missing a bit of context, it seems. Sometimes these quotes are taken way out of context.
But hey, if there is such a requirement, yeah that would be pretty stupid
Re: 'The Number of Live Service Games Is Not Important': PS5 Boss Gives Rare Insight into Strategy
@TrollOfWar LOL! Sony’s diversification strategy is getting out of hand.
Wait you dont know about their service where you can hire someone to dress up as your favourite character and…. Never mind, i’d better stop before this joke gets flagged 😆
Re: 'The Number of Live Service Games Is Not Important': PS5 Boss Gives Rare Insight into Strategy
@MFTWrecks I do agree that typically you’d want a games success to organically grow to other media forms. And not every IP can be designed to be iconic from the get go. But i don’t think its that unrrasonable to consider cross media potential during the IP creation process
Re: 'The Number of Live Service Games Is Not Important': PS5 Boss Gives Rare Insight into Strategy
@Robocod Good points about Hulst appointing and surrounding himself with former employees and thereby possibly creating a environment that might have difficulties pushing back on his decisions
Re: 'The Number of Live Service Games Is Not Important': PS5 Boss Gives Rare Insight into Strategy
@RBMango
You might be right. I, like many here, like to speculate and strategize what Sony needs to do. However, while i agree that they’ve made some stupid decisions, i think you might underestimate the complexity of making such big corporate decisions.
Sure, some of us might have good ideas, but which of those ideas would you follow?
Some of us want sequels, some only want new IPs. Some want IPs to be remade, some hate Remakes. Most only play live service, some of us despise live service. Some want them to focus on AAA exclusives, some want them to focus on indie and AA. There are so many conflicting opinions about everything here, how would you know which decisions to push for?
Even gamers on this site have wildly different expectstions of what they think Sony should do.
Not too mention having to grow financially and keep stockholders happy in an industry that is highly unpredictable. There’s a lot more to it than people clamoring for more “fun” games, especially if those “fun” games don’t sell well. Fun sadly, doesnt always correlate with succesfull. That’s why i referred to Astro Bot in my original post, an undeniably fun game, but it didnt exactly light the world on fire commercialy.
I think Sony is doing their best to diversify their content by focusing on single player, live service, indie (through their many hero projects) while also trying to create IP that they can utilize through the rest of their businesses like Sony Pictures and Music.
Don’t get me wrong, they’ve made some pretty stupid decisions, which i’m not a fan of. But the fact that so many studios everywhere are closing and games fail to deliver commercialy, tells us that its really not that easy to know what gamers want. It’s not only Sony who is struggling with finding the right answers
Edit: live service 😇
Re: 'The Number of Live Service Games Is Not Important': PS5 Boss Gives Rare Insight into Strategy
@Intr1n5ic Haha, Love this! 😂👍🏼
Re: 'The Number of Live Service Games Is Not Important': PS5 Boss Gives Rare Insight into Strategy
“They just need to understand gamers and bring the fun back in games!” - Average Push Square commenter
Meanwhile statistics show most gamers play everything from Fortnite, FIFA and CoD to other F2P crap. Deciphering what gamers want is so easy to do for us armchair anaylists, but hardly ever correlates with reality. Saying they need to just bring back the fun in games is so easy when you don’t have a clue which type of games will be succesful anymore nowadays.
Sony made arguably one of the funnest games in their repertoire, which was lauded by critics and users, and even won more than a hundred GOTY awards, but hardly moved the needle commercialy speaking.
But yeah, people here know all the answers 😎
Edit: Also, taking an intentional approach to IP creation doesnt mean it can’t be fun games, as always people here are taking a statement and use elaborate ways to make it mean anything their imagination wants it to mean
Re: Ghost of Yotei Legends Multiplayer Drops as Free DLC in 2026, New Story Trailer Is a Stunner
Legends!!! Awesome trailer, best game of the show, for me
Re: Poll: How Would You Rate Gamescom Opening Night Live 2025?
Adjusted my expectations accordingly, so it was just fine for me. These shows usually just focus on game updates and release dates anyway, rather than new announcements. I’ll give it an “Okay”
The games i liked: Ghost of Yotei (Legends!), Chronos, Silent Hill F, Onimusha, KCD2 Blacksmith expansion, Batman Lego, project Spectrum
Re: Halo: ODST Content Officially on PS5 in Next Week's Helldivers 2 Update
What a time to be alive
Re: Konami 'Forgiven' for Dropping Metal Gear Solid Voice Lead in Fifth Game
Took him 10 years to get over that? 🥲
Re: PS5 Stunner Phantom Blade Zero Looks Out of This World in New Gameplay Trailer
@tselliot This game looks more Devil May Cry/Ninja Gaiden than a souls like. Definitely more action hack n slash than souls combat mechanics
Re: PS5 Stunner Phantom Blade Zero Looks Out of This World in New Gameplay Trailer
Yes, they are kidding. This looks too sick. Hope we get a release date soon
Re: Sword of the Sea (PS5) - Stunning Journey-Like Is a PS Plus Extra Hall of Famer
This looks great! 👍🏼 Time to sub PS+ again
Re: 'Maybe a PS Showcase, Probably a State of Play': Sony Plotting PS5 Livestream for Late September
Looks at sub title 👀
Couldnt have said it better myself
Re: Meltdowns on Social Media As Sony Markets Its Upcoming Xbox Port
Somehow the twitter comment sounds like something a console warrior himself would say.
Looks at username: Ah yeah, that makes sense 🤓
Re: Sony Made a Massive Mistake with Movie Sensation K-Pop Demon Hunters
Sony makes such dumb decisions sometimes, in stead of creating IP for themselves they only produce them for other companies.
But yeah Sony Animation was probably just payed to make a movie for Netflix in this case, so it’s only logical and fair that they own the IP.
All in all, it’s still good marketing for Sony Animation. I’ve been very impressed with their movies and the art styles used like Spiderman, Mitchell vs the machines and K-pop Demon Hunters.
Just a shame they don’t produce these kinds of IP for themselves (except for the Mitchell one i think).
Re: 12 PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for August 2025 Announced
@CaptainWow
Sword of the Sea is a Day 1 game. And most of these games (besides Spiderman) are around 1 to 2 years old. How many Day 1 games should they add this month in your opinion, for you to not consider this “old slop”?
People expect so much from a service that costs as low as $13/month.
Personally, considering there’s even a Day 1 game on it, some of the best retro titles of the PS1 generation and 12 games with a msrp worth that far exceeds the $13/month the service asks for, i think this is great value. Sure, the titles offered will always be subjective. But where you might find people are “easily pleased and accepting”, i find people who think this month is crap a bit too negative.
I’m genuinely curious, if you were to be honest (and reasonable), what type of games do you expect for $13/month?
Re: 12 PS Plus Extra, Premium Games for August 2025 Announced
23 comments and just one mention of Sword of the Sea?! This month is a banger!
Re: A Quote from a Sony Exec Is Causing a Hubbub Among PS5 Fans Again
@PuppetMaster At least someone here gets it! 👍🏼