LogicStrikesAgain

Phase 1: Focusing on live services of main titles

Seeing as the crowd here is adamantly against publishers focusing on live service, i’m guessing Neowiz will get the same treatment like Sony got? 😉

@UltimateOtaku91 @Oram77 Good luck guys! You do realize you’re up against the Mr Caveat Man, famously known for moving goalposts mid discussion, right? 😝

I’m guessing the people who were dunking on Ghost of Yotei for it’s “weak” sales of 3.3m in a month, will be all over this right? Seeing as it took 9 months to sell 4m on multiple platforms.

Love this game btw! Still on my ever increasing ‘to play’ list though.

Congratulations Warhorse Studios!

@KawakiisaFraud I agree, they should really think about their PC approach. Personally i think they should seriously consider their own PC launcher. Even if pc players might resist installing it at first, eventually they will come. Especially if Playstation existing IP’s gradually move from Steam to their own launcher and new games start exclusively launching there. It’s not like PC revenue is their main profit model, it’s more like an bonus anyway

So it seems play does have limits; your own platform.

I also find it hilarious how the new marketing slogan "It happens on PS5" was announced just days before

What I find hilarious is how some people didnt want free to play live service mmo’s to come to ps5, and now they’re upset its not coming to ps5 🤣

@T-Bone09

I think NCsoft is more a pc/mobile developer anyway. I dont even think they have console games, like pc/mobile mmorpgs are what they’re known for i believe.

I think i was being pretty nuanced when i said this. Even though they might have dabbled in console games, they are primarily known for pc/mobile

@Oram77 Don’t forget Marathon, it’s also a first party title 😉

Rockstar edging its fanbase with the RDR2 PS5 release again, i see

You’d think that NCSoft developing this, a studio primarily known for pc/mobile mmorpgs, was enough to let people know that the mobile market was going to be the target audience here

@OmegaStriver Maybe it’s a resource thing. I think NCsoft is more a pc/mobile developer anyway. I dont even think they have console games, like pc/mobile mmorpgs are what they’re known for i believe. But i’m sure if this is even remotely succesfull it’ll have a ps5 port in no time, maybe Nixxes could help

If going by the trailer, this might be one of the best looking free to play games i’ve seen

To all the people complaining that its currently only mobile/pc. This wasnt made for you. It’s made for the hundreds of millions, if not billion people that do play on mobile/pc. They also just announced a Racther and Clank for mobile, and not the PS5. Sony is just trying to get a piece of the pie like every other publisher. Suck it up and move on

I have no interest in Fortnite personally. But yeah, seeing as they own a 5% stake in Epic Games, these kinds of deals seem like a no brainer

To all the people complaining that its currently only mobile/pc. This wasnt made for you. It’s made for the hundreds of millions, if not billion people that do play on mobile/pc. Sony is just trying to get a piece of the pie like every other publisher. Suck it up and move on.

The whining in these comment sections sometimes, geez…

@nessisonett Wow, thats some next level glass half empty energy. Hardly know anything yet, but already calling it bland and exploitative? 😆

I for one think this might be pretty cool actually. I thought this NCsoft game was cancelled. But I’ve always thought a MMO style would fit the Horizon IP. Playing with thousands of people and taming mechanical beasts in horizon’s world sounds cool. Heck, i’d want Horizon 3 to have an online component to it! And the trailer looks dope as well.

Although i dont really understand the need for a seperate Horizon Online co op PS5 game. Why wouldn’t they just make a PS5 version for this one? I know NCsoft is primarily a pc/mobile developer, but maybe Nixxes can help them port this

Looks like pretty good fun actually

@species

yet all the trailers were in english 🤭

Of course, these games release globally, so studios make english trailers. It takes time and money to make trailers. They arent going to make specific Japanese trailers for this show alone, that would be a waste of resources.

But the presentation itself was Japanese, i dont know about you but i couldn't read any of the summaries

One of the best games of the show imo

Sony tweeted: “A special broadcast curated for gamers in Japan and Asia”

Meanwhile western audience: I didn’t like it! 😭

I was more disappointed by the lack of release date, but oh well, life goes on

@Hylian-Likely Or maybe some people just have different tastes than you?

Glad to see the Japanese audience getting a price cut 👍🏼

I went with Okay, but it was more between Okay and Poor for me personally. This was more for the Japanese audience and the PS5 price cut, which i’m glad they’re getting.

Not so much for me. Some cool indies though. Isnt that what some people wanted, more variety of indie and AA?

I liked Never Grave, Blaz Blue Entropy, Damon and Baby and Brokenlore: Ascend

Making the development cost back, and around 130m in profit after a month seems like a pretty good start to me

@Questionable_Duck Yes, that indeed seems to be the case.

It’s a great way for Sony to diversify their exclusive content with some good AA games

Seems like a normal statement to me. It means they’ll be supporting and selling PS5 at least till 2030. Seems reasonable to me. For all the people complaining about PS6 coming too soon, you don't have to worry as there’ll be years of cross gen games. And rightfully so, as that ensures support for PS5 owners.

Some people seem to think that console generations only start when they stop with cross gen games. But that is totally business and consumer unfriendly. Imagine your console not being supported anymore after a new console launches

I notice Enhance games tends to develop for Playstation. The first Lumines on PSP. Rez Infinite was a PS console exclusive, i believe. Humanity also launched as a console exclusive. And now this.

They probably have a good working relationship with Sony.

Anyhow, this looks cool. Always great to see PSVR2 support as well 👍🏼

@Oram77 This. Both Sony and Naught Dog were very inexperienced in the live service space at the time they started development. Hearing ND talk about it back then, it was a very ambitious project, in the end it was probably too ambitious.

Still hope they could just give us something akin to Factions 1 though, doesnt have to really change much, just modernize the concept a little bit

And to people saying this was a knee jerk reaction to Microsoft. I dont think so. This acquisition would have probably been in negotiation a year before the ABK deal even got announced. This really had nothing to do with Microsofts deal, but with Sony’s strategy trying to get in to the live service market

@UltimateOtaku91 Tbf, i dont think Bungie had the power to make any calls at all. They just had an advising role, i believe. The call was still Naughty Dogs own to make.

Somehow I think the signature level of fidelity Naughty Dog was designing Factions 2 with, was just way too high for a live service, and would make it hard to scale for. I think Bungie fairly recognized this and told them.

And ND probably also noticed that all their resources and teams were being put on Factions, and they werent going to be able to make single player games anymore, and realized that thats not the path they wanted to take going further

Well, you win some, you lose some… I do still understand why Sony bought them, as they were at the top of their game at the time they were eyeing them, which would probably be some time early 2021, way before the actualy acquisition. If you wanted a live service studio at the time, they were seemingly one of the best. But they did pay way too much, in my opinion.

Anyway, i think they’ll do much better under Playstation Studios than under Bungie’s management, so personally i’m excited for the future.

@UltimateOtaku91 I would have loved a Factions 2, but it’s hard to say if the call to cancel it was a bad call when we’ve seen nothing from it. It might have been the best call to make. And knowing it would've prevented Naughty Dog from focusing on their single player endeavours, i personally am glad it didn't go through in the end

@RoomWithaMoose You have a poetic way with words, my friend

@Masacheez You’re right there is a ways to go, but Sony’s games hve long tail sales. Ghost of Tsushima reached those lifetime sales after 4 years, and with a much larger userbase at the time. So Ghost of Yotei reaching 3.3m in a month is pretty great

For even more added context, as of last year(September 2024) Ghost of Tsushima reached 13 million total lifetime sales. Sony’s games usually have long tail sales, selling well long after release. I’m curious how much other Sony games like Spider man 2 and Astro Bot has sold by now. I wish Playstation Studios would share some updated figures more often

@Vyns Yes, you do not need a PS5

Nice, didn’t expect this! Excited to see what they’re gonna show. Here’s what i’d like to see (pie in the sky):

• Astro Kart announcement 😎
• GT7 new tracks
• Kingdom Hearts 4
• Bloodborne remastered
• Bloodborne 2
• MGS 1&2 remake
• Pragmata release date
• Nioh 3
• Phantom Blade Zero release date
• Convallaria
• Loulan: Cursed Sand release date
• Marvel Tokon release date
• China and India Hero projects

@Darude84

I think you even need to have your console turned on for it to work?

Just wanted to clarify, you don’t need your console to be turned on to stream games with the Portal

@BAMozzy Sorry, but the target audience is definitely not the same. People who buy PC handhelds are mostly PC enthousiasts or the more serious console gamer who wants power in a handheld form.

And the target audience for the Portal is neither of those.

Respectfully, thats all i’m gonna say on the matter. I think you’re fighting a different fight here

@BAMozzy It’s totally fine that you would not buy one. But the thing i was reacting to is where you were saying that you find it funny that people are gravitating towards a $200 streaming device in stead of a more expensive pc handheld that can play natively as well.

And i explained that some people might not want to pay $600-$1000 if all they want is a dedicated streaming handheld with proper controllers. These devices are very different from each other, and have different target audiences

Thanks for the list. That’s a huge amount of titles. I own just a few, but i can’t wait to play Astro Bot and Dave the diver again on this handheld. And even though i think Ghost of Yotei is best on the big screen, it’s still cool to play a bit of some of Sony’s big AAA’s on this handheld. Oh, and i see Shinobi: Art of Vengeance in the list. This is going to be awesome.

It’s not just a PS5 accesory anymore. Its a fully dedicated streaming handheld on its own now. And if they ever offer an extra cheaper PS+ Portal tier, that only offers streaming (maybe something like Essential+Cloud), then that would make it even better.

Also, a $199 PS Portal bundle with 3 months of PS+ Premium would be very timely for the holidays. I know i’d go for one, you hearin this, Sony? 👀

@awp69 You’re totally right. Playstation doesnt offer that (yet). But the experience of playing on a small mobile phone screen is very different than on a dedicated handheld. Even with a $100 backbone controller it’s not the same as a full Playstation controller with proper haptic feedback and adaptive triggers.

Going back to your original point though, the Portal is definitely way more than just a remote play device now

@BLKxHER0 It really depends, for example what internet speeds you have. So it’s hard to give a one size fits all answer.

My experience with cloud streaming, is that i genuinely forget that i am streaming games. I used it a lot a while ago to try new games, because i didn't want to wait for games to download before i could try them natively. Personally, i was actually surprised how good their streaming is

@awp69

As others have stated, you can use the remote play app and a controller and basically have a Portal. I’ll save my $200 for new games.

You cant do cloud streaming with the remote play app though. It has completely changed this device, from being an accesoire, to its own dedicated streaming handheld

@BAMozzy

I find it odd that a 'streaming only' device is somehow popular when the idea of Streaming games (something MS has offered for years now), seems to be very 'unpopular'

I’m sure you’re aware that Sony has offered game streaming way before MS ever did, right?

I also find it funny that they accept a 'Playstation' Handheld that doesn't play ANY Playstation Games natively but then question an 'Xbox' branded Handheld that does play games Natively as well as Stream their 'Console' ONLY games.

Well, they are different devices with a very different target audience. One is a $199 cloud streaming handheld. And one is a $600-$1000 full fledged pc handheld. Of course the expensive handheld is gonna offer more versatility. I’m sure you’re not saying that the $199 device should have the same features as a $1000 handheld? Comparing these two feels a bit off, unless the real issue here is what brand people are supporting.

If I was that 'desperate' to play a PS game away from my console, I would use something I already own. I'd never buy something that is Streaming ONLY - especially not a 'Portable' device I'd want to use away from home.

Just to clarify, playing games away from your console isn't desperate.

Also, some people have great experiences with Playstation’s cloud streaming. And for the people that only want cloud streaming, a cheap dedicated handheld, with the best ergononics of any handheld, is better than buying an expensive full fledged pc handheld

Totally forgot about this game, still looks fun!

That is, you can now stream PS5 games to the handheld without even touching the console itself — provided you're a member of PS Plus Premium.

I mean, it was already possible to stream directly from the cloud without turning on your ps5 right?

Anyhow, i think this device is awesome. It’s basically a portable cloud streaming device, but with the best ergonomics of any handheld, as it’s basically a full controller.

I personally have almost zero issue while cloud streaming, i oftentimes even forget that i’m streaming a game (mind you, i’m not playing quick twitch games)

There’s been quite some third party support for PSVR2 lately. Not first party, mind you, but still nice to see 👍🏼

@Linaphor No dumb questions. While you could already stream games from the PS+ catalogue without turning on your ps5, now you can also stream all the games you own (digitally) without turning on your console. Like Ghost of Yotei for example.

I know i’ve been saying this for a while now, but i’m totally getting a PS Portal. This things just keeps getting more awesome.

Playing Astro Bot again on this is gonna be so cool 😁

@Archaeokaiser So the best game of all time is Dota 2? That’s like the most played on Steam for years now. Great theory.

I think you’re confusing most played with best. Game awards give awards to the best game of that year, not most played. Otherwise Fortnite would probably be the best game every year.

And once again, since you’re not really in the ecosphere, how would you actually know the quality of those games?

No, but other people are. And i just checked their Metacritic scores to see what critics and people thought about those games.

Going back to what we were discussing. Which exclusives are more notable? You can have your opinion of course. But my opinion is that Playstation exclusives are much more notable. If you don’t think so, thats fine, lets just agree to disagree 👍🏼