LogicStrikesAgain

@JaxonH Fair enough. I do think Nintendo will increase it’s pricing as well though.

I suspect Sony is trying to overprice wkth shock and awe so that they can launch a digital-only PS6 for $700 and make it seem like a massive discount, deal of the century

I think you’re right. And i’m not mad at it. My opinion is that prices can’t hover around $500 indefinitely. And a PS6 coming out in 2028 for $699 would be awesome if they can price it like that. Compared to the probably high priced Steam Machine and Helix, PS6 might actually win the generation from the start with a sticker price like that

One of my most anticipated titles of the year! I’m glad i dont have Marvel fatigue, since i basically stopped watching Marvel films after Endgame. And a wolverine game just sounds awesome. I believe there’s just been one decent Wolverine game in the past, it’s never been as prolific as spiderman games. I hope Insomniac nails this one was as well

@RoomWithaMoose Dr Strangelove and Everywhere, Everything all at once are easy 9/10s in my book. For reference, of the 1300+ films, i have only scored a handful of films a 10/10, so i also consider those 2 top tier.

Yeah, Kubrick is one of my favourite directors, and Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket and A Clockwork Orange couldve easily been added to my list above!

I do love Tarantino’s new work, all oustanding films, but i have a soft spot for Reservoir Dogs, it was his first film i watched as a kid and i was totally enamoured by it.

Hot fuzz still on my watchlist, but i havent seen Scrooge and your number 1 pick. I actually had to look up the last one, because i’ve never heard of it. Is it the hand drawn animation film? Anyway, it looked intriguing, so i added it to my watchlist! 👍🏼

Hmmm not really. I do rate films on imdb though, and here are a few of my highest rated:

• Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
• Roma
• Festen (English title: The Celebration)
• The Banshees of Inisherin
• The Godfather
• The Shining
• Trainspotting
• Requiem for a Dream
• 2001: A Space Odessey
• The White Ribbon
• 12 Angry Men
• Paths of Glory
• Reservoir Dogs

Some great films i’ve recently watched:

• Triangle of Sadness
• Fanny and Alexander
• On Becoming A Guineau Fowl
• The Zone of Interest
• The Favourite

Its hard to condence it to a top 5 or 10 though, i’ve currently rated over 1300 films, with so many great ones among them

@RoomWithaMoose I see your point. And funnily enough, i actually am more of a cinephile than a hardcore gamer 😄

I have seen a very broad mix of films, yes including the Kurosawas and Bergmans, and from the silent era to modern day.

Funny thing, even with films there are franchises i feel less interested in watching like The Raiders of the Ark films for example. I know they’re highly acclaimed (modern) classics, but i keep pushing them to the end of my watchlist because of lack interest. So i guess i do the same with films as with some game franchises 😅

@_Nightsever_

I'm more amazed people aren't calling out how weird all this fake traction is with Microsoft right now

I know right, it all seems like marketing speak, but people are eating it up like crazy, without much discernment. Dont get me wrong, its good if its true, but so far i’m not really seeing what the plan is, but people are already treating Asha as the saviour of the brand. I will never get why some over at team green act so cult-y towards a ceo in the first place 😵‍💫

It's more weird that people come here and tell this player base how to feel about any of this

Exactly, i dont get why some feel the need to police Playstation fans on a PS fansite so much. It’s like going to a opposite sports teams fan forum, and telling people they should cheer for the other teams as well 😅

@RoomWithaMoose I do get the surface comparison, and i will agree that if you’re truly invested in gaming you will at least have tried a few different acclaimed titles. But i dont quite agree that a hardcore gamer, is always the same equivalent as a cinephile. Gaming is many ways a very different medium.

Some people enjoy completely different kinds of gaming mechanics than others. I can easily see how some can be a hardcore gamer and never even try certain gaming genres. For example someone who’s played Halo and Gears of War, may have never played Metal Gear or Final Fantasy, even though they’re equally major/essential franchises.

I think because genres matter much more in gaming than it does in cinema, since playing something is very different than passively watching. It also takes way much more of a time commitment to play some games (50+ hrs) compared to most films (around 2hrs).

And in some cases, very hardcore gamers, like speedrunners or highly competitive Esport players, onky specialize in certain genres like RTS, FPS or platformers for example, or sometimes they just become an expert in just 1 particular game. Definitely hardcore i’d say, but not quite broad in terms of overall gaming experiences

@RoomWithaMoose Fair enough. I’m actually more than willing to try some of those titles out. It’s just that i have such a huge backlog, and honestly, i do need to be at least a bit interested in a game for me to motivate myself to try one out. I’m also not really keen on playing older titles that much, but definitely open to try out future installments of those franchises. I do have an interest in trying out Starfield (even though it’s not really Bethesda’s finest), but there’s so much i’m interested in buying this year, that it’s going to the end of the queue.

Btw, it’s not that i dont see value in that list. I can recognize that some are highly acclaimed. It’s just because i’ve never played those franchises, so i have no nostalgia for them, that’s why that list doesnt really do much for me, and why it wouldnt bother me personally if they all became exclusive.

Also, i definitely dont consoder myself a hardcore gamer. More of a regular gamer with an interest in the wider industry of gaming and technology.

Edit: I forgot, i actually have played the original Doom on PC. But played it a few years later after release, because i was too young at the time. But at that point i was more of a PS1 kid, and i remember Doom and first person shooters in general not really beingmy cup of tea back then

@somnambulance Fair enough if you’re not into Marvel, but tbf Sony only released 2 Marvel games this gen, with 2 upcoming for a total of 4.

But that pales in comparison to the amount of non Marvel games they published this gen.

Btw I’d also like a new Ratchet & Clank, and unless those Insomniac leaks have changed, then there definitely still is a Ratchet & Clank in the pipeline, so 🤞🏼

I was hyped ever since i saw the Venom games in the insomniac leaks, but i figured it had been cancelled by now. It would be awesome if they surprised us with an announcement

“Our new north star will be daily active users” - Xbox

I think that already says a lot in terms of their exclusivity strategy. Exclusives kind of gets in the way of getting games to as many players for the most active daily users.

But the industry has been so unpredictable, that i cant guess whats going to happen anymore. I do think they’ll continue to port most games over though, and if not, that’s fine as well 🤷🏻‍♂️

@RoomWithaMoose Dont know what to yell ya. I’m not saying those aren’t good games, i’m just saying i have never been interested in those franchises. I guess we just have different tastes 🤷🏻‍♂️

I grew up playing franchises like Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, DMC, Street Fighter, God of War, Tekken, Killzone, Gran Turismo, GTA, , FIFA, , Mario, Shadow of the Colossus etc.

In more modern times games like Spiderman, God of War, Uncharted, Infamous, Last of Us, Ghost of, Death Stranding, Red Dead Redemption, Elden Ring, The Witcher, Astro Bot, Dave the Diver, Humanity etc.

I did play Crash Bandicoot when i was a kid on PS1. Played OG Halo for about half an hour, but never played Gears, never played any Bethesda game, no Fallout, no Elder Scrolls, no DOOM, no Wolfenstein, no Diablo, no Perfect Dark, no Mincecrat, no Fable, no Banjo Kazooie, no Sea of Thieves, no Hellblade etc. I just wasn’t really attracted to these games.

However, i did play a LOT of COD and Age of Empires back in the day though, but havent touched those in about a decade either.

So yeah this might be surprising to you, but to me that list is kinda meh, no interest, no nostalgic factor, nothing. Again, that’s just for me personally, but i also said that many would probably find much to enjoy from that list. And it doesnt mean that future games in those franchises won’t interest me, they might

@SMJ I say do it. I’ve always said exclusives help sell consoles. I think it’s one of the few ways they could really succeed in selling consoles.

For me personally, that list just doesnt do it for me. Even before Microsoft bought those two publishers these weren’t my type of games. I’ve played maybe 5 games from that whole list. So for me it wouldn’t really change anything, but i’m sure there are many that might be pursuaded to buy an Xbox if they were all made exclusive

Is it just me or are these comment sections turning into a xbox fan club lately? Not saying there are any undercover xbox fans in here, but i’m suspicioius 😂

@KundaliniRising333

Yes yes go buy this 900 dollar console right now. Totally worth it 👍
Lmfao

People spend money on what they value. I know people that have spent 40K on a car, or spent 3000 euro on fireworks, 1500 on a new GPU or biyearly buy the new Iphone Pro.

Personally I wouldn’t spend that on those things, but i will never get why others would laugh or mock people that spend money on something they genuinely enjoy.

We're all gaming nerds here bro, no need to shame others for their purchase if you dont think its worth it to you.

Maybe some people havent bought a PS5 yet, maybe they're not interested in a PS6, and they figure a PS5 Pro will hold them through a probable long cross gen period, all valid reasons

I hvent seen anything yet, still at work. But what’s wrong with characters faces? I read they’re not great? Looks pretty great to me (at least the pic above)

@EK42

Single player only for Horizon.

I believe it does have a single player narrative campaign that you can play solo

It’s not for me, but then many popular games of today arent for me. I was just expecting something very different, but it doesnt look bad at all, and i’m sure Guerilla will deliver quality gameplay, so it looks like something that might very well find an audience

It’s always been clear to me that Sony had the more sustainable strategy. Xbox banked on them getting to 100m subscribers by the end of the decade, to make the cost of putting all their games Day 1 on the service sustainable, but they grossly overestimated how fast the market would grow

All we’ve seen is a cgi trailer 3 years ago. Really makes no sense for me to say anything about this yet. F2P gives it a chance, i guess. I just really wonder why they went through with this one? Do they think it has promise? Of all the live service titles they had in development, i always thought this would be the one they would cancel

@psmr Oh sh*t, that one got me! 🤣

That team of directors doesnt really instill me with a lot of confidence. Sony man, put some effort on this one, geez!
Although, i believe that Bloodlines was one of the better entries in the series, so i’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.

This IP could be epic as a movie. Don’t F this up Sony! Y’all are close with Kojima, at least have him consult

Btw, am i the only one not surprised by these costs? I feel like $200m-$300m has been the average for a while now for a typical triple A game. Games like HFW, Elden Ring and Star Wars Outlaws were all around the $200m+ mark. And i believe we already surpassed costs like these years ago. Wasn’t Battlefield 6 like 400m or something? Or every CoD $300m+? GTA6 is already in the billions according to rumours 😅

@BrockSmith

Sony dumping a billion dollars in failed games so we all can’t play incredible single player story driven masterpieces

What do you mean? You can play amazing single player titles. Sony also invested in plenty of single player games

$200m sounds about right for a triple AAA game nowadays, so i’m not that surprised. If i had to make an estimate, that would be exactly my guess.

Fortunately Marathon was already in development before Sony acquired Bungie, so they didn’t exactly fund the whole $200m.

I hope for Bungie that the title has a long legs, and they manage to at least break even.

Maybe for Destiny 3 they can consult with Sucker Punch on how to make a game with a $60m budget 😅

@Llamageddon Lol, exactly!

@naruball

The comparison with other goods makes no sense. If you buy a box cereal, Nestle doesn't get extra money from you from Nestle plus, there are no MTX and no gifts you can buy with the box (think DLC)

You’re right. The business model of the console has always been to be cheaper than PC, and make money back through software. But maybe that business model is under pressure because of rising costs. I understand that Sony took huge losses before, but that just might not be sustainable anymore.

It’s unrealistic to think console prices can stay frozen forever, when everything else rises. There comes a point that console might have to increase in price as well, or else the gap just becomes larger and larger, and it becomes harder and harder to make the money back through software.

I dont think it’s totally unreasonable to look at the economy as a whole. It’s not like Sony operates in a vacuum. Inflation has affected everything from logistics to salaries. The larger economy will also have an impact on their business models, even business models that have been stable for a long time might need to change.

People dont want $70 games, dont want more expensive hardware, dont wanna pay for PS+, they dnt want to be presented with the bill. And ofcourse i can understand that, but how are these companies supposed to operate then? Somethings got to give. Component costs has skyrocketed. Development costs has shot through the roof. Rumours say GTA6 cost is already in the $Billions. This isn’t just a Sony problem.

They have done the numbers, and even though they know that increasing prices will lower sales, they must have calculated that that is still better than the alternative. There’s so much going on in the industry, its not just as simple as “why doesnt Sony just keep it at $499 and sell it with a loss” (paraphrasing some comments here)

I’m not saying i’m happy with these prices. But one thing i don't understand is when people say that these prices are ridiculous. If Sony were the only one raising prices, i’d understand.

But Xbox prices have increased, Switch, PC prices have surged, houses have almost doubled in price the last decade, groceries, phones costs $1500. A 3 course dinner sets me back around €120 nowadays.

Like literally everything has gotten more expensive.

But somehow Sony is the one that’s ridiculous with these prices? Do people expect their business to operate in a vacuum? Are they immune to the rest of the market and the world economy?

I understand people are disappointed. And i’d like PS5’s to be cheaper as well. But how can we genuinely expect the PS5 to stay at $499 or even lower when literally everything else is getting more expensive?

To be clear, this isnt to excuse Sony. I’m just genuinely confused as to why people seemingly accept or understand higher prices everywhere, except for with the PS5, then all of a sudden it’s ridiculous 😅

And again, i’m not saying these prices aren’t high. But they are in line with global price increases overall

@tangyzesty that’s fair, to each their own 👍🏼

@Cry_Zero

Played it for half an hour and i swear to god i dont see a difference in those 3 modes

there is no difference between the ray tracing and ray tracing pro presets, only internal resolution and performance, i believe. But the performance preset doesnt have ray tracing though, so that one should be pretty noticable, unless you don’t know where to look

@tangyzesty

It's funny how many times I see such-and-such game is massively improved on the Pro, and then I see side-by-side images that look identical to my eyes

That’s because they are almost identical. They are comparing Pro versions with eachother, not comparing Pro with the Base version. Compared to the Base version though, this is definitely an improvement.

People should just better check out the DF tech review. Basically they added the full suite of ray tracing (ambient occlusion, shadows, reflections, skylight and emissive lighting). Its basically the Overdrive patch for PC, it really makes a lotta difference. Add in PSSR2 for an even better image quality, and this is a pretty great update over the base version

Damn, that escalated quickly lol, from maybe next month, to possibly next week. Hope we do get one, i’d love some Wolverine and Intergalactic updates 🤞🏼

I think i’m missing something here. Why would they remove it?

@TrollOfWar

Is that behavior really sustainable for a platform?

No, not if everyone did that. But this was only about people from PC buying a Playstation. Your original question was whether it’s worth it to Sony if someone who only games on PC decided to buy a Playstation just for 1 game, right? Well, if it goes anything like the example i made, then that’s definitely worth it, because that person may have bought it just for 1 game, but ended up spending much more in their ecosystem, and through this interaction perhaps even become a fan in the process

@TrollOfWar You make very good points! Only thing i will push back a little is to the following:

So, is it profitable to just sell a subsidized PlayStation console and a first party game to them, if they're not going to spend more money in the ecosystem?

There might be some people who will never spend more than that 1 game in their ecosystem, sure. But in practice, what’s more likely to happen, is that people buy a console for 1 game, but when they interact with with the ecosystem, they might see other exclusive titles they’ve never tried and give it a shot.

For example, one buys a PS5 for Demon Souls remake, then Returnal releases and “oh wait its not on PC?”, so they buy it on their PS5, then Spider Man 2 releases and they’re like “damn that looks pretty cool i’ll get that as well”, then Godnof War Ragnarok, Stellar Blade, Death Stranding 2. They’ve never played Shadow of the Colossus, so they might as well give that a try, now that they own a PS5. They never played PS2/PS3 games, so perhaps they decide to sub to PS+ Premium for a few months and try some of their classics like Jak & Daxter, Infamous, Resistance, Uncharted etc. Then they realize GTA6 is not launching on PC anytime soon. Before you know it, they see their PS5 as their exclusives console, and they have Wolverine and Intergalactic on their wishlist, are following updates on Playstation games and are hyped for PS6.

Lol, this is just a hypothetical best case scenario ofcourse. But i genuinely think for most people coming from PC, something like this is a bit more plausible than buying a whole new console for just 1 game, and never interacting with that ecosystem ever again

@nessisonett It’s not like people dont have a choice though, Sony offers different options. Their games can be bought cheaper from third party sellers as physical copies, or even much cheaper second hand

@nessisonett apparently according to a former manager they saw $300m revenue in 3 years from PC ports. I’m sure they did a cost benefit analysis on whether thats enough to compensate for all the users that might leave the Playstation ecosystem if everything kept being ported to PC. In the end the revenue from PC ports is probably too small to risk losing part of their userbase to competing platforms.

It’s not just PC, but also upcoming consoles like Steam Machine and project Helix. If Playstation would continue porting all their IP’s, it would certainly damage their brand and some people would certainly think twice if they even need to buy their consoles.

In the long term this might hurt them more then foregoing the small extra revenue they get from single player PC ports

@nessisonett Some people want them to focus on their own platform instead of others. Look what it did to the Xbox brand focusing on everything else instead of their own console.

PC ports of live service titles will still continue, it’s only their single player games that wont be ported, and i personally think that’s a perfectly fine business strategy. Consoles need at least some kind of differentiation to stay attractive

Give us Driveclub 2 already, Sony! 😎

@RoomWithaMoose 🤣

@rjejr We’d all like next gen games from the start, but we can’t expect publishers to make games exclusively for ps6 when the userbase is still small, especially with how expensive games are to develop now, that wouldn’t make any financial sense for any publisher

@KPS Thanks for the much needed nuance. Well put! 👍🏼

I’m sure streaming will eventually replace hardware, but its not happening next gen. Perhaps the generation after that, streaming could start to become the more commonly way to play games, who knows

Curious to hear more about this handheld. If it’s dockable that would be awesome, it’d basically be a high end Switch

I can see this coming in around the $650-$750 range

Publishing articles at 2am? I’m starting to think Push Square editors might be vampires. Respect to my fellow night owl💤

Gorgeous aesthetics. So hyped for this game!

I remember when this game first got featured after a Xbox direct, and i thought it looked pretty good. This, and Fable, were the only Xbox titles that have actually piqued my interest. Then reviews started coming out, gameplay footage, and it definitely soured any enthousiasm i had for the title.

But yeah i still kind of want to try it. But we’ll see, there’s just so many games i plan to buy this year, that this doesnt have any priority for me

@IOI

Port-begging much?

It’s not really port begging though. People aren’t really asking if it’ll be ported, but rathen when it’ll be ported

@Oram77 You’re probably right, i can see that happening as well