LogicStrikesAgain

Looks good! These Hero Projects from Sony are such good initiatives, i hope they’ll expand to even more regions outside China, India and Middle East. Like South American and South East Asia perhaps. Love seeing games made from different perspectives and cultures besides the mainstream ones

@Member_the_game Sorry, but this is kinda funny to me. You’re right, people tend to moan excessively about PS+ games. Now you feel kinda ‘’meh’ about them for the first time, and suddenly everyone in the comment section seems to be be generally positive about them 😂 (at least so far)

@Leinad7 And many also buy TCL, that’s why they have the 2nd largest tv market share. How about we give this topic a rest for now 😉

Where the mods at when people are really trolling/baiting, calling everyone here stupid fanboys 🫣

Calling a simple upgrade message ‘harassment’, after the console’s been out for 13 years, seems a bit exaggerated

When i watched the direct that featured Starfield i was pretty hyped. Then the game launched and i quickly lost interest. But if this comes to Playstation, i might still get it

@Leinad7

But even if Steam would sell more on Xbox than MS Store, that would also affect hardware sales because people would buy it for that functionality

I dont think there’s a correlation there. If the people that bought a ROG Ally X tend to buy games through Steam, that doesnt necessarily mean that it will attract other people to buy that handheld. I think pricing has much to do with it, if its really over $1000 as rumours suggest, it wont appeal to the mass console crowd. And as a fixed hardware platform, i doubt many PC players would trade in their upgradable PC for it. But i will wait for more concrete details, before i can say anything sensible about it though. Personally, i’m very curious to see what they are going to come up with

@Leinad7 I dont understand your point tbh. Yes, i would buy a Samsung, but many people buy TCL because not everyone can afford the premium segment

@Leinad7 I’m still not a 100% sold on the idea that next gen Xbox will definitely have Steam on it. I’m not saying it wont, im only saying we cant state these as facts when its not yet confirmed.

I think they’re looking very closely at what their audience is doing with the ROG Ally X, and how people are buying games, before they go through with such a risky move such as introducing Steam in their console ecosystem.

The risk being that if Steam is on a next gen Xbox, people might only buy games through that store, effectively leaving Xbox with no revenue on 3rd party game sales. They’d basically be doing Valve a favor by creating a Steam machine where people spend money in Valve’s ecosystem, not Xbox’s.

Again, not saying its not gonna happen, but i’d at least wait for confirmstion before saying things as next gen Xbox will have Steam and definitely will have free multiplayer, because we might be getting too much ahead of ourselves here

@Leinad7 You migh not agree with it, but those are the numbers. Lot’s of people buy TCL, thats why they even sold more units than LG as of late, i believe.

You compare TCL with Daewoo as if Daewoo a dominant brand in the car industry. TCL is the #2 brand in tv market share. That’s totally different.

I get what you’re saying about brand prestige, but this is more about competing in sales. Even Sony’s prestige tv brand isn’t cutting it anymore in the tv business, because Samsung is just too dominant.

And i think a joint venture with TCL might be more fruitful, because honestly those other brands you named like Philips and Panasonic arent doing so well either, tv hardware is just too low profit margin for them all to succeed in.

Sony might only have a 5% market share or something, with very thin profits. Doing this joint venture doesnt mean Sony is going to produce cheap tv’s, it means Sony is going to use TCL’s far superior scale of production and sales.

TCL isnt necessarily that bad in build quality either btw, sure its no Samsung or LG, but that doesnt meant its very bad. A Hyundai is not a Porsche, but doesnt mean a Hyundai is automatically a bad quality car. Again, just different segments

@Leinad7

Of course anyone who can would choose 911 over Elantra.

What about people who can’t afford luxury items? There’s obviously a market for affordable tv’s. That’s where TCL comes in, and now with Sony they can tackle both the budget and the premium segment.

Cheap means its built quality is obviously worse, picture quality as well. It’s like comparing Hyundai and Porsche

Sure, but what does that have to do with business succes? They’re just catering to different segment. In fact Hyundai has a current market cap of $91B and Porsche is valued at $45B.
Hyundai had a revenue of $122B and net profits of $9B, Porsche had a revenue of $26B and net profits of only $40M. So even though it’s cheaper it sells better, because not everyone can afford luxury items.

That’s also why TCL has such a large market share in tv’s, and they’re closing the gap with samsung and LG, and in the end that’s what counts in business. Like Hyundai might be cheaper, but if it sells more, it’s a more succesful business. TCL is doing way better than Sony ever did, so working with them might actually be the better business strategy.

@Leinad7

Nowadays there are two main players in TV market: Samsung selling for masses and LG selling for picture quality

I dont think you realize how big TCL is. TCL has a larger market share than LG. They’re the 2nd largest tv brand, even in the premium tv segment. So no, its definitely not just two main players in the tv market. And this joint venture with Sony will make their market share even larger

@Leinad7 To be fair, plenty of succesful companies make stupid decisions. (MS Zune, Google Stadia) The fact that they’re the richest doesnt mean they cant make stupid decisions. It’s just that they have so much money that those bad decisions wont always have large consequences.

Also, Sony is not “giving away” their tv business. They created a new joint venture and still retain a 49% stake, so they still have significant influence. They are just realizing that there isnt much growth in it for them, and too much risk with all these competitors willing to take very low profit margins.

This way they can leverage TCL’s scale, supply chain and distribution, which TCL is verys strong in, and reduce Sony exposure to risk. Business wise, it seems like a pretty well thought out strategy if you ask me.

But could you elaborate on why you think the joint venture with TCL is a bad decision by Sony?

Would you say Sony would be better off to keep competing alone in a that low profit margin business?

I haven’t picked one up yet, but as i’ve said with every PS Portal article, i’m gonna pick up one soon. Honestly, i want one, but i just keep forgetting about this handheld, and it’s also not that big of a priority to me right now. Nice to hear it’s doing good though. I’ll pick up one soon 😉

It sold more than CoD on PS5? Damn!

So this is the 3rd best selling game on PS5 and the 11th best selling game of all platforms this year, even though it released in October and was not a multiplat game like the rest? Wow, that’s a pretty big accomplishment. Congrats, Sucker Punch!

Ghost of Yotei ranking 11th best selling game of all platforms, while being a Playstation exclusive and releasing in the 10th month of the year is crazy impressive 😳

Am i even reading this right? Maybe i’m not. It’s almost unbelievable.

Y’all should better change the title of this article to “PS exclusive manages to hold its own amidst multiplatform releases”

@Leinad7 Whatever you say 😎

@Leinad7 Lol, dont know what Wolverine has to do with it, but fair enough thanks for sharing

Psychonauts and Keeper seem like very cool games, but this one is not for me

@Leinad7

Fable suddenly after this presentation became one of strongest contestants for GOTY 26

That’s certainly an opinion, and a very premature one.

Personally, i found it a bit underwhelming, but to each their own

The Xbox game i was most excited for. And while i liked the ideas, i’m not quite that excited anymore. Never played a Fable game before, so i thought this might be it. I mean, it’s alright, but it just didn’t really appeal that much to me unfortunately, but will still keep an eye on it.

Also, was it me or was the traversal/combat slow and jittery?

Looks good! I did get some ‘FH5, but in Japan’ vibes, but i guess thats only natural with sequels. All in all, it’s not really for me. But maybe later on when it’s on sale or something

@Leinad7 I’m not claiming anything like that. I was having a discussion with someone with clear boundaries. We were only talking about Sony games after 2018 that had financial succes. You are just going out of your way to move goalposts, talking about completely different things like whether these games sold more than their predecessors, which is a whole different topic

@Leinad7 Again, what the other user and i were discussing was financial succes of Sony’s games after 2018, not whether people liked the game. If the game sold 16M copies (by whatever means), that means its a financial succes, so by all accounts it deserves a place in that list

If i had to guess, i’d say probably around 1-2M of the copies were sold through the bundles. But that still doesnt negate the fact that the game is a financial succes

Does sadly feel like the end of an era somehow, even if they haven’t exactly left the TV space. But business wise i understand the move. TV hardware is a low profit margin business, and TCL is doing much better in that space. So if TCL panels can benefit from Sony’s tech expertise and sell them cheaper, it’ll be a win for everyone including consumers. This way Sony doesnt have to bother selling TV’s and let TCL do what they do best while they benefit from it, and Sony can do whay they do they best nowadays, which is more on the entertainment side rather than hardware

The more i see of it, the more excited get. After the first alpha showing i was kinda meh about it, but that was just an alpha build. These last two developer deep dives have really gotten me interested. Now it’s looking very good to me, but still gonna wait for reviews

Cautiously excited about this, looks good to me, curious to see the reviews for it

@Leinad7 I highly doubt they’d put a discount on the game at launch. So i guess the discount was for the console rather than the game. Financially, those games likely were handled as full $70 sales, so still a financial success.

In addition, the game probably sold over 16M copies already. And that bundle was only for a limited time, so i’d wager the majority was sold outside of those bundles

In before the inevitable comments of people hating on this game. Internet hate slang has gotten pretty complex lately. Let me translate some of the upcoming comments for you:

• “This game is trash” = Its clearly not trash, its well made and is developed by a talented studio, i just dont really like it, but i have a small vocabulary so thats the inly way i can express my dislike
• “This is going to flop so hard” = I want this to flop so hard
• “This is garbage” = I havent actually played this nor watched anything after the first alpha trailer and just want to jump on the hate bandwagon
• “This is gonna fail like a sequel to Concord” = I can see in to the future, and because i have nothing of real substance to comment on the game itself, i will use my powers to make this prediction, trust me bro
• “Sony should stop making these live service multiplayer games” = I dont want these games, so therefore i dont want anyone else to be able to play these games. Sony, i forbid it

Here are facts:
1. I don't actually come across as snide and superior. I am fortunate enough to be able to own multiple systems. Your opinion isn't a fact.

Sorry to butt in, but that is not a fact, and i hate to break it to you, but it’s also not true. I’m sure many people here that know how you argue would definitely say you come across as snide and superior

@darylb24

People are going in on Xbox sales numbers, which, of course, were never going to be good when the price cut/significantly more powerful PS5 is barely outselling the almost 9-year-old Switch, lol.
That's the true levels of fanboy delusion/defection right there.

Xbox sold around 150 consoles, and Playstation sold around 45K. You’re saying people should not focus on xbox sales compared to switch, but they should focus on ps5 sales compared to switch.

Yes you’re right, that is indeed the true level of fanboy deflection right there

@SMJ

People like me? A person who has owned every PlayStation console including handhelds and both VR headsets? A person like me who has bought around 1500 games across all PlayStation consoles?
Or do you mean a person like me who owns all 3 systems and doesn't blindly follow everything Sony does with a smile? Someone who isn't tied to one platform and speaks objectively? Someone who wants Sony to improve because they believe that the PS5 generation is the most complacent and lazy Sony have ever produced?
Which is it?

You do understand that none of this means you reason objectively. You may not notice this about yourself, but you argue with as much of a bias as all the people you usually accuse of being biased.

What makes it problematic is you dont even acknowledge your own bias at all. You only accuse others of bias, immediately label them as fanboys, and assume your stance is the most reasonable one.

And i dont mean that in a mean spirited way. It’s just genuinely a pattern that i and many here pick up, and trust me it has nothing to do with which systems you own.

Frankly, someone can own none of the systems and still have good faith, logical and nuanced discussion. The fact that you even think that objectivity has anything to do with the gadgets you own already shows that you dont get it

@Leinad7

Forbidden West is still below 10m

Last official count was over 8.4M in 2023. But 2 months ago it was reported that the whole franchise sold 40M. Around 27M of those are from Horizon Zero Dawn. That leaves around 13M divided between Forbidden West, Call of the Mountain VR and Lego Horizon. And unless you think those last two sold particularly well, its safe to assume Forbidden West has sold well over 10M by now.

Yōtei sold 3.3m in first month, hit falls behind Tsushima’s sales and did not reach 6m yet, they are somewhere around 4m something. The reason is, after lots of hype and release noise, it didn’t take three weeks for everyone to just forget about it. Barely anyone even mentions Yōtei now

They reportedly already reached around 4M copies after 2 months, we’re now 3.5 months from release, so its perfectly reasonable to assume it has sold more copies. But you’re right, my initial guess of 6M was probably too high, perhaps around 5M. But still highly likely to eventually reach high total sales too.

Btw, Astro Bot sold around 1m officially, but according to some leaks it’s somewhere around 1.5m. It won GOTY but sales wise is not really a grand success

Nope. Astro Bot already reached 1.5M two months after release in November 2024. Then according to Alinea Analytics they sold around 2.3M in early 2025, about a year ago. And i know Astro Bot isnt a huge financial succes, thats why i didnt list it, i was merely correcting someone that stated it had sold 1M

Spiderman 2 sales are highly affected by the fact they were adding it bundled with console. That created a picture of good sales results. But it did not sell that well if not bundles

Come one, now you’re just going out of your way to discredit their sales. Bundled Mario games still count as copies sold, so why not here. And it still sold 11M in just the first 6 months, thats very good either way. Saying it wouldnt sell well if it werent in a bundle is very speculative, and highly unlikely for such a popular IP. Some reports estimate it over 16M copies by now, so either way it’s a financial success, which is what the other user and i were discussing.

AC Shadows higher than Yōtei 😲

Only in Europe though, in the US AC Shadows is way below Ghost of Yotei.
And perhaps AC Shadows releasing 7 months earlier has something to with it?

@PuppetMaster You’re right about those games, but i just didnt want anyone to be able to nitpick. People love to move goalposts around, so i just listed games that released this console generation.

But yeah, since he himself mentioned that Sony’s last financial successes were in 2018, we could definitely add all the games after that year like:

• Days Gone, around 10M
• Ghost of Tsushima, over 13M copies
• The Last of Us 2, over 10M in 2022, very likely to be much more today after the pc and remaster release

Just a few corrections on your numbers though, last known copies sold for Astro bot was 2.3M in early 2025 and for Racthet and Clank: Rift Apart was around 4M back in 2023, i’m assuming these are also higher today

@Max_the_German

What was the last game with that level of impact, both financially and critically? Wikipedia says Spidey and God of War, both in 2018. Now it’s the year 2026

Edit: Okay, Spidey 2 performed good as well. But there are not many PS Studios games on PS5 with huge success, unfortunately.

There have been more games from Playstation Studios that have had critical and financial succes after 2018, here are some of them with their copies sold:

• Spiderman: Miles Morales, over 11M
• God of War: Ragnarok, over 15M in 2023, likely much more today
• Gran Turismo 7, around 15-16M
• Horizon Forbidden West, 8.4M in 2023, likely over 10M today
• Spider Man 2, 11M in 2024 after just 6 months, estimates have it over 16M today
• Helldivers 2, around 20M (even though its not by a Sony studio, they published, helped develop and own the IP, so this is still a huge financial win for them)
• Ghost of Yotei, 3.3M in its first month, already turning in profit because of the low game budget of $60M, probably already around 6M copies today, just 3 months after release (seeing as it managed a 9th spot in this years ‘most downloaded’ list, even though it released in the 10th month of the year and got a physical release which isnt counted here). Likely to surpass 10M as well, eventually

@Blaze215 Maybe because there are so many other reasons why one would wanna sub to premium. The reason i sub sometimes is for streaming, it’s very convenient for me and works very good. That way my kid and i can try out the whole library without having to wait so long for games to download, it’s perfect for me, and only a few € more than Extra.

Personally, i dont understand why some people are preoccupied so much with why others want to sub premium. I really dont care why anyone subs to whatever (film/gaming) service they wanna sub to, i just assume it gives them value. But somehow people almost seem offended about others using PS Plus Premium (not talking about you here, but just in general)

@UltimateOtaku91 I guess its hard for people to see nuance when they’re giddy with excitement about seeing Sony fail 😆

@Max_the_German

As SIE, I wouldn’t be happy. And I‘m sure there WILL be discussions why it didn’t perform better

I’m pretty sure Sony is happy with that spot. I cant imagine they assumed GoY would sell more than the usual top selling games like GTA, Minecraft, CoD, and the yearly sports games etc.

Heck they even sold more than the GOTY winner in the US. And considering their game released only 3 months ago, in the 10th month of the year, but still managed to get so many downloads is very good (not to mention GoY got a physical release, so many copies arent event counted in this top download list)

@UltimateOtaku91 My bad bro. If you mean that the added monthly retro titles aren’t to your liking, then that’s totally fair

@LifeGirl Honestly, i agree. People are entitled to their opinion, but hearing people sometimes trash this service seems so unreasonable. Paid yearly this service costs just $13/month!

@UltimateOtaku91 This is exactly what i mean. Premiums offering isnt a joke. For $2 or $3 more you get a classics library of around 400-500 titles, a rotating library of around 100 movies, a small VR library, 4K streaming, streaming to pc and the portal and at least one retro game per month.

For the people thinking their offering is a joke, what do you say they could realistically add more for that small price increase?

For everyone’s fyi, Sony never said they’d be adding 10 retro games a month or something. For that small price increase from extra i think its unreasonable to expect more that 1-2 titles a month (on top of everything else premium offers)

@get2sammyb Isnt the context here that Premium is only $2 or $3 more than Extra? And you get 4K streaming on console, streaming to pc and handheld, a library of ps1, ps2, psp, ps3 games and at least one retro game each month? (Last year, many months saw 2 retro games added to premium, some months even 4)

Considering $2 or $3 likely isnt even enough to cover the cost of the streaming servers etc, personally i think it’s a pretty good offering for that small increase of money.

Unless you were talking about the context of there being an arcade version of this game in stead of the fact that they added only one game this month to premium…

I’ve read somewhere that the only reason this isnt day and date on Playstation is because the studio just isnt ready with the port yet, or else it would be. I wonder how much of a gamble it is to not have this day and date.

Although, it’ll probably still sell well if it releases to Playstation later this year. But looking at FH5 sales on Playstation, they are undoubtably bummed they could not release it simultaneously, especially with the competition it’ll have later in the year.

Somehow i feel that they might still surprise us with a day and date release, but if not, i think September is a likely release month

@Grumblevolcano Maybe you’re right, maybe these services should be offered more on a la carte basis instead of offering packages with things people might not want or need

Isnt Premium only $2 more than Extra? So for that small increase you get 4K streaming on console, streaming to pc and handheld, a library of ps1, ps2, psp and ps3 titles and a monthly game.

But people want more? I think the $2 or even $3 dollars more isnt even enough to cover the cost of running the streaming servers, let alone for adding a game each month. I truly wonder if people ran their own business if they would be as generous with their product? If you’re not a retro gamer or dont use streaming, then dont pay the extra $2, but you dont have to call this service trash.

Things cost money you know. Trust me im no fan of capitalism, but i understand the logic of businesses needing to make money, this is not some charity. Sometimes i feel people are very unreasonable or just dont understand the cost of things

The more certain and with less nuance one speaks the less they usually understand. It’s maddening trying to talk sensibly to some people here.

Edit: And honestly i think the mods can do much better in fostering a productive conversation. And to be clear, that doesnt mean censoring anything that isnt pro Sony, far from it. But constantly calling everyone on this site “plastic box lovers” who dont have any nuanced opinions, im sure, is zapping a lot of the enthousiams some fans have in participating in these comment sections.

But if the mods here are struggling to discern good faith discussion from straight trolling, then thats a real issue.

And if there’s an opening, i’d like to volunteers as moderator, no joke

What is it with people today, does anyone still have any sense around here? Its like a dense jungle of cognitive dissonance, bias and poor reasoning skills

@Leinad7 When discussing Sony studios games, of course those game will be included. Why? Because they’re Sony studios game.

We werent talking about personal preference or anything, you seem to get these two things conflated. If i were to list all Xbox studios games, i cant just leave out everything im not interested in, and say that those games dont count

@Leinad7

Did you just use Marathon and MLB to prove Sony is releasing games this year? Duuuude…

We we’re talking about Xbox and Sony studios games, thats why i mentioned them. Or do they not count as Sony studios games because you don't like them?

Why is this site overrun with anti Sony sentiment? Can’t say anything around here anymore without getting policed

@darylb24 Lol, i’m not saying Microsoft doesnt make money, and i get that they make more from every sale. That’s not my point though, it’s the phrase that he used.

It seems like some people dont quite understand what the phrase “making money off someone” means. Sony doesnt have to change or fund anything when Microsoft puts its games on Sony’s ecosystem. That’s like saying EA is making money off of Sony, or a store owner makes money off the building owner just for selling in their building, it doesnt make sense.

When you say that Microsoft is making money off of Sony it implies that Sony is taken advantage of or something. Rather they are making money with Sony.

And if we really had to insist on one company making money off of the other, i’d say it’s Sony, because they are just cashing in without taking any risk.

But this has become a whole semantics discussion. So, lets just leave it at that. Geez, and they say i’m triggered 😅