@Markatron84 @ryanburnsred Genuinely though, don’t you think this is a bit different? Those PC players were literally spamming Housemarque directly, and pretty aggressively demanding the game to be ported.
These are just reactions to a Gematsu post on Twitter, not even directed towards Square Enix.
And Square Enix never announced they’re stopping Playstation ports like Sony did with their PC ports, so isnt it natural that people are discussing why PS ports have seemingly stopped?
Those PC players werent discussing Sony’s multiplatform strategy, because it was already clear what the strategy was.
There is a slight different in context here.
Don’t get me wrong though, i find the term “port beggars” inflammatory here, but the term does more accurately represent what was going on with those PC players spamming Housemarque than what’s going on here.
If people were spamming Square Enix directly, demanding games to be ported, i’d agree that this is the same situation. But it’s not, its people talking about why Square Enix isnt porting games to Playstation, on a neutral gaming news outlet’s post. Discussing these things isnt immediately the same as port begging.
I’m really not trying to nitpick here, i can see why people are frustrated, and i’m getting tired of this site’s bait-y articles as well, but i genuinely think there is a slight difference in context here
@somnambulance Yes, good points, and totally plausible. It did indeed feel like they kind of turned their back on Forspoken. As you said, Playstation might not have respected the historical context of their partnership. And especially with a western oriented Playstation, all those things may have inadvertently developed resentment from their Japanese partners.
I know we’re just speculating, but if anything did happen between them, i hope they can get past it
In the Sony case, they already indicated they stopped PC ports, but people were spamming Housemarque directly on their Twitter post pressuring them to port their title.
In this case it’s about people reacting to a Gematsu post, discussing Square Enix multiplatform strategy. Importantly, these comments are not targeting the developers directly or spamming them with demands.
Square Enix hasn’t said it’s stopping PS ports like Sony did with their PC ports, so its not unreasonable for people to wonder whats going on with their approach.
Both disappointed parties, true, but slightly different contexts nonetheless
@Globo Yeah, i agree, gaming can unfortunately be very tribal. It’s a very identity based hobby. Even though i have owned almost all Nintendo and Xbox hardware, i’d still say i’m a Playstation enthousiast.
That said, im not into console warring at all, and will never use a term as “xbot” or whatever. I dont understand the need to put others down for enjoying a different platform or brand.
Anywhere else i’d also expect a higher stabdard of journalism neutrality. But i think these fan sites are sort of in the middle of neutral gaming news outlet and a fan community site, so i dont really expect complete neutrality here.
Having said that, i will agree that writers here have been leaning with bait-y articles a bit too much, however, where some are blaming Sammy specifically, i think they’re all to blame to some degree
@Globo I can’t say i totally disagree with you there. I also think using terms such as port begging is unnecessary. But still i think people on this site should expect bias, maybe even the occasional dig. Complaining about journalistic neutrality on a fan site is like complaining on a Liverpool fanpage for not having a completely balanced coverage of all teams. I’m not saying they cant be critizised, at all, but people shouldnt really be surprised if they will favour a Playstation perspective here
@Globo Personally, i think Square Enix can totally do what they want. Even if they didn’t want to port anything to Playstation.
Regarding Push Square’s use of the term “port beggars”, I think the difference here is that one publisher already said “no”. And there’s a difference between asking vs demanding.
We already know Sony stopped porting, so the fact that people were agressively spamming Housemarque’s personal Twitter post, and yelling that it should be ported or it’ll fail, and nobody is buying this etc. is going to be described as port begging (again, i dont like the term)
Square Enix never said anything about not doing ports anymore. And these tweets aren’t even directed towards them, they are replies on a Gematsu post. So its more like people are questioning whats going on with their strategy, rather than port begging at Square Enix specifically, like they did with Housemarque.
I know this might be a nitpick, and i can understand why it can be called the same thing, but there seems to be a slight difference
@Globo I see what you’re saying. Sorry to nitpick, but here’s where i slightly disagree on that point:
Sammy is stirring the pot alone with contractory stories giving out about port beggars yet giving out some games aren't coming to playstation it's only natural peoples reaction in fairness I love playstation
There’s a bit of a difference. Sony, as a platformholder, has stopped doing PC ports of their first party exclusives, so when people are aggresively demanding they should port them over its going to be described as port begging (although i agree that the term is inflammatory though)
However, Square Enix hasnt said they are stopping PS ports, and they are a third party publisher. And especially with Square Enix and Sony having been so close in the past, where games would not only release simultaneously with Playstation but often times even exclusively on Playstation, now they are not even ported to Playstation. So its natural that some people are asking why the shift?
Discussing these things isnt immediately the same as port begging.
I know it seems contradictory, but there is a bit of a difference
@Globo I agree, i do see it, but honestly, they’ve always been like that i feel. They just like controversy because it adds clicks. I will disagree that they only speak good about Sony though, because i’ve seen plenty articles of them where they aren’t going easy on Sony at all.
End of the day, people cant expect neutral gaming news from a website dedicated to a certain platform, so i will never understand the indignation people have
@Globo I get where you’re coming from, and i wont deny there are fanboys here. But this is a PS centric website, a fan site if you will. I will never understand all the policing that goes on around here by people. There are also sites dedicated to other platforms like PC, Xbox and Nintendo, where its users and articles are more aligned, and biased, towards that platform.
Literally every article there’ll be a couple of the same users here that seem surprised about either fans or articles being aligned towards Playstation, and i dont get it. Do they not know this is a Playstation website? Its like going to a PCMR reddit page and constantly complaining about them being PC fanboys. I have seen some PC reddit pages and Xbox channels that make Push Square’s “fanboys” look like gentleman having polite conversation.
I agree console warring is dumb, but some of us here are just Playstation enthousiasts, not trying to console war or talking down at others for liking other brands or platforms. And i personally find it equally dumb to be policing all the time on a website that its made for fans of a certain platform. If this was a general gaming website i’d understand, but not here
With the current leadership team at Sony, I could see them not valuing the historical context of Sony’s partnership with Square.
Yeah, i can totally see that something like this might have happened behind the scenes. Around the start of this gen SIE has been moving towards a more western direction by closing Japan Studio, having less Japanese ceo’s at Playstation (Ryan/Hulst era), and i believe someone even saying that the Japanese market is not a real focus to them anymore. This might have rubbed some Japanese partner companies the wrong way.
Maybe, and this is purely hypothetical, but seeing as Square Enix hasn’t been in a good spot for quite a while, there might’ve even been a time where they were looking to be acquired by Sony.
And maybe Sony, not really being interested in the Japanese market back then, might have flat out refused acquiring them, in favour of acquiring western studios like Haven Studios and Bungie. And that might have been seen as a very disrespectful move by Square Enix.
Probably bull**** though, but i feel like something big like that might have happened for SE to have such a different attitude towards Sony
It seems like SE and Sony might not be on very good terms right now. However i doubt this is just about the lower than expected sales for Final Fantasy 16 and Remake, because publishers know full well that there’s a risk of fewer sales when they make these exclusivity deals, that’s why they get compensated for it.
Something else must’ve happend that strained the Sony/SE relationship, because intentionally skipping the largest console market is weird, especially for a publisher thats always complaining about sales numbers.
Squate Enix is of course free to do whatever they want, but it is a bit weird to see this shift in their relationship, when they have always been very close in the past
Frankly, i’m a bit dumbfounded by this article and people’s reaction tbh.
So if adding 4K streaming, a catalogue of 450+ PS1-PS3/PSP games and 1(or more) retro games/month isnt worth $2 dollars, i would genuinely like to know, how much is it worth? $1? 0.50c?
The $2 extra per month for Premium just for streaming alone makes it worthwhile for me.
4K Streaming
A catalogue of 450+ PS1, PS2, PS3 and PSP games
Sony Core movie catalogue
1 and sometimes more retro games per month
Honestly, for $2 more each month? That’s about the maximum they can offer for that price. Insisting they should offer more for that price is ridiculous, and frankly a bit delusional and out of touch with how much things cost
@RoomWithaMoose I think because for many people it’s still much more convenient using a dedicated handheld, instead of playing on something like a phone or ipad where you either have to use onscreen controls or have to prop your phone up somewhere while you use a dualsense
@Drago201 those other pitches weren’t greenlit because they were even worse pitches. One of those pitches was a remake/update to Shadow of the Colossus, which is already a remake. Who knows maybe the Atreus game was in fact a good pitch. However according to reports they were flailing for years with development as well. Maybe after all these years they still didnt have anything to show for
@cragis0001 i understand, and that’s a fair point. Im not saying either of these business models are better. But i think it will be a loss if one of those options isnt available anymore. Especially the option that can provide cheaper ways into gaming. Consoles have always been a more affordable way to start gaming, it would be sad if that didnt exist anymore
@Theamazing1 well the downside for us could be that there wont be any subsidized consoles anymore if they all have to allow third party storefronts on their closed hardware systems. One of the reasons Project Helix from Microsoft will come in at a very high price point is because its not a closed console system. Therefore they can’t reliably make their money back and subsidize the hardware upfront.
This is not just bad for sony, it’s the end of the whole console business model, which was there to provide cheap hardware vs higher software cost. The only business model that that will be left for us will be high hardware cost vs lower software costs.
Problem is, software sales on PC arent actually that much different than in the PS Store, sometimes they tend to be slightly cheaper and sometimes they’re just the same. But the increase in hardware costs would be so much more, especially with all these components prices soaring.
Imagine a world where gaming, like buying a cheap console, just isnt affordable anymore for the masses. Sure a loss for sony, but also a loss for gaming in general
@Theamazing1 I actually think that if Sony allows multiple ways of distribution, that that would satisfy any monopolistic software distribution laws. But yeah, dont really know for sure. Interesting for sure though, because the outcome of cases like these might have an important effect on Sony’s future and their business model
@HRdepartment Fair enough 👍🏼 however, it might be a trash system to you, but to others it might not be. Many of these live service games dont actually require you to buy anything, you can play the game perfectly fine without ever paying extra.
But it’s just your insistence on games failing that seems a bit weird to me. People seem to be enjoying it, so why care that much? Certainly it can’t be incomprehensible that others might like it, even if you don’t. There are many non live service titles to enjoy as well, if thats more your thing.
To be clear, i’m not a fan of live service myself, i just really don't get the excessive hate. And certainly i cant deny the fact that some people might just be hating because its a Sony product
@Theamazing1 Yes, but Sony doesnt control other publishers. Seems weird if Sony is going to be blamed for monopolistic software distribution, when its other publishers that dont offer physical versions of their games. Again, i’m not gonna pretend i’m an expert in these things, so you might be right, but it seems like a weak case
why is it puzzling rooting for highly monetized GaaS to fail? It’s pretty clear imo why people want these games gone
The way you post at almost every Marathon article, doesnt really come across to me like you’re anti-live service in general, but rather just anti-Marathon.
There are so many live service games out there, and many that get announced every day. Do you also complain at every one of them when there’s an article published?
For some reason, every article, theres you and some others that need to say how much of a slop this game is and that it needs to fail. All that attention and effort for a game you guys dont even like or intend to play.
Honestly, i don’t understand this behaviour. There are so many games im not interesed in, i mostly just ignore them. I might react to one article saying its not for me. But i certainly wouldn’t post on each article saying that the game needs to fail or its a piece of garbage. Genuinely dont know why one would go to all those lengths for a game they’re not interested in
I mean, as long as they offer physical there’s no monopoly over sales distribution, right? People choose digital over physical, that doesn't mean physical isn’t offered. If physical is cheaper than buying from the PS store, people are free to buy physical.
Seems like Sony is in the clear here, unless they go fully digital, which they probably won’t for this reason. But i’m no expert here, so i’m going to mind my own business from here on out
@Oram77 I understand and assumed it was, but i’m sure many here actually do feel like this might indeed be a case where workers feel pressured to say good things about there employer though, especially after they closed Bluepoint. So i still thought i’d point it out
@Czar_Khastik Maybe studios do better if their best pitch isn’t an Atreus spin off, and apparently were flailing for years with development, especially seeing as Sony pays them well
@eduscxbox Maybe because “PS players” aren’t a monolith. Many people with many different opinions, many of which you’ll never hear about as they don’t roam around these online gaming communities
I’m actually curious to see how Valve prices its Steam Machine, we’ll hear that much sooner than any Helix pricing. It might give an indication how much these unsubsidized PC/consoles will go for
Yeah, it doesnt look like they are targeting the mass audience with this at all. And from some angles it can even look like Xbox might be trying to sunset their console hardware, to become a full third party publisher, by intentionally making this a very niche PC system. I kinda hope they make a cheaper system as well. But we’ll hear more at GDC
Why is this labeled news though? Arent these rumours.
Anyhow, you guys are breaking the back s of all these poor people having to move those goalposts back and forth. I guess exclusives are now bad again to some
@GirlVersusGame I was actually watching Game of thrones with a scene of khaleesi Targaryen exactly when i saw this lol. Great builds btw, that does indeed look like an amazing character creator
I’m tempted to buy one as well. Especially as next gen will have a long cross gen period, and this machine will probably do very well. The base PS5 will be a bit too weak to really get along i feel. PSSR2 really is that much of a gamechanger
Those who are PlayStation fans here, will go to "other sites" and call people fanboys, xbots, PC master race gang or shills. They aren't any better than the ones coming here calling PlayStation fans "ponies".
Yes, you’re absolutely right. And those communities should also push back against those people.
You're indeed one of the more reasonable people to have a respectful conversation, I think the community is better for having you here.
That’s very nice man, i appreciate that! You also have a good presence here and seem to be very knowledgeable and reasonable, which is surprising given your username lol jk 😄
Also, it's pretty funny that people keep talking trash on Microsoft because PlayStation is more successful. Umm, let's look at Microsoft vs Sony. That's embarrassing. Microsoft makes 10x the money of Sony if not more. I guess Sony failed.
People obviously mean Playstation vs. Xbox. Not their parent companies.
Sony stopping PC ports wasnt just flagging sales, but also brand damage. Imagine how much more it would weaken the brand if they released their games day 1 on PC. The incentive for people to buy their hardware would drop.
End of the day, they’re a platform holder. And releasing day 1 on other platforms will always be at the detriment of their own platform
The more they improve and listen to their fanbase the better they wil do, so its good if they can keep that up.
As for the Steam numbers, they’re just one piece of the puzzle, but i think they’re pretty solid. Nothing spectacular or anything, but just good numbers to build from. Much better than some here thought it was gonna be, i’m sure
Also, it's pretty funny that people keep talking trash on Microsoft because PlayStation is more successful. Umm, let's look at Microsoft vs Sony. That's embarrassing. Microsoft makes 10x the money of Sony if not more. I guess Sony failed.
The irony in talking about people trashing Microsoft, while immediately proceeding to trash Sony
Whatever Sony does, there will always be people that like and dislike those decisions. Lets get back to a time where everyone just lets each other enjoy whatever they want
@TrollOfWar To be fair, i can see his point. I’m not saying those 22% are all bad actors, but some here in the comment sections just seem here to mostly spread negativity. Some act like an impartial third party, but with how hostile they express themselves towards others, it’s clear that theyre not.
Opinions are definitely tolerated here. But it’s also worth remembering that this is a Playstation centric website, geared towards fans of Playstation. That makes it confusing if you’re only here to call people fanboys, ponies or shills?
I always try to reason fairly, and listen to what people are saying, but the amount of times people assume bad intent, and label others shills or fanbohs is tiring.
So I can understand why some people here push back. If people want to offer constructive criticism or wanna engage in good faith discussion that’s totally fine. But if you’re just here to hate on Sony fans and anything Sony related, i dont see the point of that.
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Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@Markatron84 @ryanburnsred Genuinely though, don’t you think this is a bit different? Those PC players were literally spamming Housemarque directly, and pretty aggressively demanding the game to be ported.
These are just reactions to a Gematsu post on Twitter, not even directed towards Square Enix.
And Square Enix never announced they’re stopping Playstation ports like Sony did with their PC ports, so isnt it natural that people are discussing why PS ports have seemingly stopped?
Those PC players werent discussing Sony’s multiplatform strategy, because it was already clear what the strategy was.
There is a slight different in context here.
Don’t get me wrong though, i find the term “port beggars” inflammatory here, but the term does more accurately represent what was going on with those PC players spamming Housemarque than what’s going on here.
If people were spamming Square Enix directly, demanding games to be ported, i’d agree that this is the same situation. But it’s not, its people talking about why Square Enix isnt porting games to Playstation, on a neutral gaming news outlet’s post. Discussing these things isnt immediately the same as port begging.
I’m really not trying to nitpick here, i can see why people are frustrated, and i’m getting tired of this site’s bait-y articles as well, but i genuinely think there is a slight difference in context here
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@somnambulance Yes, good points, and totally plausible. It did indeed feel like they kind of turned their back on Forspoken. As you said, Playstation might not have respected the historical context of their partnership. And especially with a western oriented Playstation, all those things may have inadvertently developed resentment from their Japanese partners.
I know we’re just speculating, but if anything did happen between them, i hope they can get past it
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@Ralizah Slightly different context, though.
In the Sony case, they already indicated they stopped PC ports, but people were spamming Housemarque directly on their Twitter post pressuring them to port their title.
In this case it’s about people reacting to a Gematsu post, discussing Square Enix multiplatform strategy. Importantly, these comments are not targeting the developers directly or spamming them with demands.
Square Enix hasn’t said it’s stopping PS ports like Sony did with their PC ports, so its not unreasonable for people to wonder whats going on with their approach.
Both disappointed parties, true, but slightly different contexts nonetheless
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@Globo Haha, yeah they definitely know what they’re doing trying to rile things up like that. Maybe they get paid by the click or something lol.
Same to you bud, have a good one! 👍🏼
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
Yeah there are some very toxic channels out there unfortunately. Makes this site seem like a haven for polite discourse lol
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@Globo Yeah, i agree, gaming can unfortunately be very tribal. It’s a very identity based hobby. Even though i have owned almost all Nintendo and Xbox hardware, i’d still say i’m a Playstation enthousiast.
That said, im not into console warring at all, and will never use a term as “xbot” or whatever. I dont understand the need to put others down for enjoying a different platform or brand.
Anywhere else i’d also expect a higher stabdard of journalism neutrality. But i think these fan sites are sort of in the middle of neutral gaming news outlet and a fan community site, so i dont really expect complete neutrality here.
Having said that, i will agree that writers here have been leaning with bait-y articles a bit too much, however, where some are blaming Sammy specifically, i think they’re all to blame to some degree
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@Globo I can’t say i totally disagree with you there. I also think using terms such as port begging is unnecessary. But still i think people on this site should expect bias, maybe even the occasional dig. Complaining about journalistic neutrality on a fan site is like complaining on a Liverpool fanpage for not having a completely balanced coverage of all teams. I’m not saying they cant be critizised, at all, but people shouldnt really be surprised if they will favour a Playstation perspective here
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@Globo Personally, i think Square Enix can totally do what they want. Even if they didn’t want to port anything to Playstation.
Regarding Push Square’s use of the term “port beggars”, I think the difference here is that one publisher already said “no”. And there’s a difference between asking vs demanding.
We already know Sony stopped porting, so the fact that people were agressively spamming Housemarque’s personal Twitter post, and yelling that it should be ported or it’ll fail, and nobody is buying this etc. is going to be described as port begging (again, i dont like the term)
Square Enix never said anything about not doing ports anymore. And these tweets aren’t even directed towards them, they are replies on a Gematsu post. So its more like people are questioning whats going on with their strategy, rather than port begging at Square Enix specifically, like they did with Housemarque.
I know this might be a nitpick, and i can understand why it can be called the same thing, but there seems to be a slight difference
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@Globo I see what you’re saying. Sorry to nitpick, but here’s where i slightly disagree on that point:
There’s a bit of a difference. Sony, as a platformholder, has stopped doing PC ports of their first party exclusives, so when people are aggresively demanding they should port them over its going to be described as port begging (although i agree that the term is inflammatory though)
However, Square Enix hasnt said they are stopping PS ports, and they are a third party publisher. And especially with Square Enix and Sony having been so close in the past, where games would not only release simultaneously with Playstation but often times even exclusively on Playstation, now they are not even ported to Playstation. So its natural that some people are asking why the shift?
Discussing these things isnt immediately the same as port begging.
I know it seems contradictory, but there is a bit of a difference
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@Globo I agree, i do see it, but honestly, they’ve always been like that i feel. They just like controversy because it adds clicks. I will disagree that they only speak good about Sony though, because i’ve seen plenty articles of them where they aren’t going easy on Sony at all.
End of the day, people cant expect neutral gaming news from a website dedicated to a certain platform, so i will never understand the indignation people have
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@Globo I get where you’re coming from, and i wont deny there are fanboys here. But this is a PS centric website, a fan site if you will. I will never understand all the policing that goes on around here by people. There are also sites dedicated to other platforms like PC, Xbox and Nintendo, where its users and articles are more aligned, and biased, towards that platform.
Literally every article there’ll be a couple of the same users here that seem surprised about either fans or articles being aligned towards Playstation, and i dont get it. Do they not know this is a Playstation website? Its like going to a PCMR reddit page and constantly complaining about them being PC fanboys. I have seen some PC reddit pages and Xbox channels that make Push Square’s “fanboys” look like gentleman having polite conversation.
I agree console warring is dumb, but some of us here are just Playstation enthousiasts, not trying to console war or talking down at others for liking other brands or platforms. And i personally find it equally dumb to be policing all the time on a website that its made for fans of a certain platform. If this was a general gaming website i’d understand, but not here
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
@somnambulance
Yeah, i can totally see that something like this might have happened behind the scenes. Around the start of this gen SIE has been moving towards a more western direction by closing Japan Studio, having less Japanese ceo’s at Playstation (Ryan/Hulst era), and i believe someone even saying that the Japanese market is not a real focus to them anymore. This might have rubbed some Japanese partner companies the wrong way.
Maybe, and this is purely hypothetical, but seeing as Square Enix hasn’t been in a good spot for quite a while, there might’ve even been a time where they were looking to be acquired by Sony.
And maybe Sony, not really being interested in the Japanese market back then, might have flat out refused acquiring them, in favour of acquiring western studios like Haven Studios and Bungie. And that might have been seen as a very disrespectful move by Square Enix.
Probably bull**** though, but i feel like something big like that might have happened for SE to have such a different attitude towards Sony
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
It seems like SE and Sony might not be on very good terms right now. However i doubt this is just about the lower than expected sales for Final Fantasy 16 and Remake, because publishers know full well that there’s a risk of fewer sales when they make these exclusivity deals, that’s why they get compensated for it.
Something else must’ve happend that strained the Sony/SE relationship, because intentionally skipping the largest console market is weird, especially for a publisher thats always complaining about sales numbers.
Squate Enix is of course free to do whatever they want, but it is a bit weird to see this shift in their relationship, when they have always been very close in the past
Re: 'This Would Have Been $30 DLC by Most Studios': Players Praise Ghost of Yotei's Free PS5 Update
Good job, Sucker Punch! 👍🏼
Re: PS6's Rumoured Portable Could Be in Your Hands as Early as Next Year
I’m excited to see what Sony will bring again to the handheld space
Re: PS Plus Premium Has Given You Just 1 Classic PlayStation Game a Month for Over Half a Year Now
Frankly, i’m a bit dumbfounded by this article and people’s reaction tbh.
So if adding 4K streaming, a catalogue of 450+ PS1-PS3/PSP games and 1(or more) retro games/month isnt worth $2 dollars, i would genuinely like to know, how much is it worth? $1? 0.50c?
Re: PS Plus Premium Has Given You Just 1 Classic PlayStation Game a Month for Over Half a Year Now
The $2 extra per month for Premium just for streaming alone makes it worthwhile for me.
Honestly, for $2 more each month? That’s about the maximum they can offer for that price. Insisting they should offer more for that price is ridiculous, and frankly a bit delusional and out of touch with how much things cost
Re: Hands On: Ghost of Yotei Legends Is Big Enough and Good Enough to Be Its Own Game
Let’s go Sucker Punch!! 💪🏼👏🏼
Re: The Hype for Saros Grows with Its Shortest PS5 Gameplay Video Yet
These Saros gameplay shorts look fkng cool. One better than the other. I’m hyped for this!
Re: Step Aside PS Portal! The Best Way to Use PS5 Remote Play Is Getting Better
@RoomWithaMoose I think because for many people it’s still much more convenient using a dedicated handheld, instead of playing on something like a phone or ipad where you either have to use onscreen controls or have to prop your phone up somewhere while you use a dualsense
Re: Step Aside PS Portal! The Best Way to Use PS5 Remote Play Is Getting Better
OK Sony, time to step it up!
Re: Sony Rated the Best Big Game Company to Work for in Japan, Beating Nintendo, Capcom, More
@Drago201 those other pitches weren’t greenlit because they were even worse pitches. One of those pitches was a remake/update to Shadow of the Colossus, which is already a remake. Who knows maybe the Atreus game was in fact a good pitch. However according to reports they were flailing for years with development as well. Maybe after all these years they still didnt have anything to show for
Re: PS5 Players Could Get Compensation as Sony Slammed for Monopolistic Practices in UK Court
@cragis0001
well that still sounds like a sad thing to me. That’ll leave true next gen gaming only in the hands of the more affluent
Re: PS5 Players Could Get Compensation as Sony Slammed for Monopolistic Practices in UK Court
@cragis0001 i understand, and that’s a fair point. Im not saying either of these business models are better. But i think it will be a loss if one of those options isnt available anymore. Especially the option that can provide cheaper ways into gaming. Consoles have always been a more affordable way to start gaming, it would be sad if that didnt exist anymore
Re: PS5 Players Could Get Compensation as Sony Slammed for Monopolistic Practices in UK Court
@Theamazing1 well the downside for us could be that there wont be any subsidized consoles anymore if they all have to allow third party storefronts on their closed hardware systems. One of the reasons Project Helix from Microsoft will come in at a very high price point is because its not a closed console system. Therefore they can’t reliably make their money back and subsidize the hardware upfront.
This is not just bad for sony, it’s the end of the whole console business model, which was there to provide cheap hardware vs higher software cost. The only business model that that will be left for us will be high hardware cost vs lower software costs.
Problem is, software sales on PC arent actually that much different than in the PS Store, sometimes they tend to be slightly cheaper and sometimes they’re just the same. But the increase in hardware costs would be so much more, especially with all these components prices soaring.
Imagine a world where gaming, like buying a cheap console, just isnt affordable anymore for the masses. Sure a loss for sony, but also a loss for gaming in general
Re: PS5 Players Could Get Compensation as Sony Slammed for Monopolistic Practices in UK Court
@Theamazing1 I actually think that if Sony allows multiple ways of distribution, that that would satisfy any monopolistic software distribution laws. But yeah, dont really know for sure. Interesting for sure though, because the outcome of cases like these might have an important effect on Sony’s future and their business model
Re: PS5 Players Could Get Compensation as Sony Slammed for Monopolistic Practices in UK Court
@Theamazing1 I meant that Sony doesnt control other publishers in regards to them offering a physical version of their games.
It seems weird to blame Sony for monopolistic software distribution when its other publishers that aren’t offering a physical version of their game.
But again, regarding monopolistic laws in these cases, i’m no expert. Curious to see how this case ends though
Re: Review in Progress: Marathon (PS5) - Bungie's Extraction Shooter Is Brilliant, and It Only Gets Better
@HRdepartment Fair enough 👍🏼 however, it might be a trash system to you, but to others it might not be. Many of these live service games dont actually require you to buy anything, you can play the game perfectly fine without ever paying extra.
But it’s just your insistence on games failing that seems a bit weird to me. People seem to be enjoying it, so why care that much? Certainly it can’t be incomprehensible that others might like it, even if you don’t. There are many non live service titles to enjoy as well, if thats more your thing.
To be clear, i’m not a fan of live service myself, i just really don't get the excessive hate. And certainly i cant deny the fact that some people might just be hating because its a Sony product
Re: PS5 Players Could Get Compensation as Sony Slammed for Monopolistic Practices in UK Court
@Theamazing1 Yes, but Sony doesnt control other publishers. Seems weird if Sony is going to be blamed for monopolistic software distribution, when its other publishers that dont offer physical versions of their games. Again, i’m not gonna pretend i’m an expert in these things, so you might be right, but it seems like a weak case
Re: Review in Progress: Marathon (PS5) - Bungie's Extraction Shooter Is Brilliant, and It Only Gets Better
@HRdepartment
The way you post at almost every Marathon article, doesnt really come across to me like you’re anti-live service in general, but rather just anti-Marathon.
There are so many live service games out there, and many that get announced every day. Do you also complain at every one of them when there’s an article published?
For some reason, every article, theres you and some others that need to say how much of a slop this game is and that it needs to fail. All that attention and effort for a game you guys dont even like or intend to play.
Honestly, i don’t understand this behaviour. There are so many games im not interesed in, i mostly just ignore them. I might react to one article saying its not for me. But i certainly wouldn’t post on each article saying that the game needs to fail or its a piece of garbage. Genuinely dont know why one would go to all those lengths for a game they’re not interested in
Re: PS5 Players Could Get Compensation as Sony Slammed for Monopolistic Practices in UK Court
I mean, as long as they offer physical there’s no monopoly over sales distribution, right? People choose digital over physical, that doesn't mean physical isn’t offered. If physical is cheaper than buying from the PS store, people are free to buy physical.
Seems like Sony is in the clear here, unless they go fully digital, which they probably won’t for this reason. But i’m no expert here, so i’m going to mind my own business from here on out
Re: Sony Rated the Best Big Game Company to Work for in Japan, Beating Nintendo, Capcom, More
@Oram77 I understand and assumed it was, but i’m sure many here actually do feel like this might indeed be a case where workers feel pressured to say good things about there employer though, especially after they closed Bluepoint. So i still thought i’d point it out
Re: Sony Rated the Best Big Game Company to Work for in Japan, Beating Nintendo, Capcom, More
@Czar_Khastik Maybe studios do better if their best pitch isn’t an Atreus spin off, and apparently were flailing for years with development, especially seeing as Sony pays them well
Re: Sony Rated the Best Big Game Company to Work for in Japan, Beating Nintendo, Capcom, More
@Oram77 These things are often taken anonymously though, at least where i work it is. Kind of defeats the purpose of it if it wasn’t
Re: Sony Rated the Best Big Game Company to Work for in Japan, Beating Nintendo, Capcom, More
I wish Sony hired company strategists without any credentials whatsoever, i would apply immediately 😅
Re: 'Exclusives Are Absolutely Not Happening': Xbox Helix Will Share Library with PS6
@eduscxbox Maybe because “PS players” aren’t a monolith. Many people with many different opinions, many of which you’ll never hear about as they don’t roam around these online gaming communities
Re: 'Exclusives Are Absolutely Not Happening': Xbox Helix Will Share Library with PS6
I’m actually curious to see how Valve prices its Steam Machine, we’ll hear that much sooner than any Helix pricing. It might give an indication how much these unsubsidized PC/consoles will go for
Re: 'Exclusives Are Absolutely Not Happening': Xbox Helix Will Share Library with PS6
Yeah, it doesnt look like they are targeting the mass audience with this at all. And from some angles it can even look like Xbox might be trying to sunset their console hardware, to become a full third party publisher, by intentionally making this a very niche PC system. I kinda hope they make a cheaper system as well. But we’ll hear more at GDC
Re: 'Exclusives Are Absolutely Not Happening': Xbox Helix Will Share Library with PS6
Why is this labeled news though? Arent these rumours.
Anyhow, you guys are breaking the back s of all these poor people having to move those goalposts back and forth. I guess exclusives are now bad again to some
Re: Rumour: PS Plus Extra Tipped to Add Two Giant PS5 Games This Month
@GirlVersusGame I was actually watching Game of thrones with a scene of khaleesi Targaryen exactly when i saw this lol. Great builds btw, that does indeed look like an amazing character creator
Re: PS5 Pro Sales Explode on the Back of PSSR 2 Hype, System Sells Out in Some Stores
I’m tempted to buy one as well. Especially as next gen will have a long cross gen period, and this machine will probably do very well. The base PS5 will be a bit too weak to really get along i feel. PSSR2 really is that much of a gamechanger
Re: 'Sony Finally Understands': Over 70% of PS5 Fans Agree with Decision to Scrap PC Ports
@TrollOfWar
Yes, you’re absolutely right. And those communities should also push back against those people.
That’s very nice man, i appreciate that! You also have a good presence here and seem to be very knowledgeable and reasonable, which is surprising given your username lol jk 😄
Re: PS6 Rival Xbox Helix Could Cost as Much as $1,200
If these next console come in at $1000+, i’ll be sticking to current gen for a while. The PS5 Pro is looking mighty attractive to me right now
Re: 'Sony Finally Understands': Over 70% of PS5 Fans Agree with Decision to Scrap PC Ports
@Godmasterwizard
People obviously mean Playstation vs. Xbox. Not their parent companies.
Re: Study Claims Sony's PS5 Games Are Leaving Big PC Sales on the Table
Sony stopping PC ports wasnt just flagging sales, but also brand damage. Imagine how much more it would weaken the brand if they released their games day 1 on PC. The incentive for people to buy their hardware would drop.
End of the day, they’re a platform holder. And releasing day 1 on other platforms will always be at the detriment of their own platform
Re: 'We're Discussing Ways to Improve': Marathon Dev Tweaking Monetisation and Difficulty as FPS Fails to Blow Up
The more they improve and listen to their fanbase the better they wil do, so its good if they can keep that up.
As for the Steam numbers, they’re just one piece of the puzzle, but i think they’re pretty solid. Nothing spectacular or anything, but just good numbers to build from. Much better than some here thought it was gonna be, i’m sure
Re: 'Sony Finally Understands': Over 70% of PS5 Fans Agree with Decision to Scrap PC Ports
@Godmasterwizard
The irony in talking about people trashing Microsoft, while immediately proceeding to trash Sony
Re: Opinion: God of War: Sons of Sparta Is the Smaller PS5 Game Fans Want, and I Hope We See More
Whatever Sony does, there will always be people that like and dislike those decisions. Lets get back to a time where everyone just lets each other enjoy whatever they want
Re: Opinion: God of War: Sons of Sparta Is the Smaller PS5 Game Fans Want, and I Hope We See More
At this point i feel like we’re having the same discussions over and over again…
Re: 'Sony Finally Understands': Over 70% of PS5 Fans Agree with Decision to Scrap PC Ports
@TrollOfWar To be fair, i can see his point. I’m not saying those 22% are all bad actors, but some here in the comment sections just seem here to mostly spread negativity. Some act like an impartial third party, but with how hostile they express themselves towards others, it’s clear that theyre not.
Opinions are definitely tolerated here. But it’s also worth remembering that this is a Playstation centric website, geared towards fans of Playstation. That makes it confusing if you’re only here to call people fanboys, ponies or shills?
I always try to reason fairly, and listen to what people are saying, but the amount of times people assume bad intent, and label others shills or fanbohs is tiring.
So I can understand why some people here push back. If people want to offer constructive criticism or wanna engage in good faith discussion that’s totally fine. But if you’re just here to hate on Sony fans and anything Sony related, i dont see the point of that.
Just to be clear, this isnt directed towards you