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@LogicStrikesAgain
This joint venture means for their TVs they will be run by Chinese, mark my words it will reflect in quality and further drop in sales. Nowadays there are two main players in TV market: Samsung selling for masses and LG selling for picture quality (they are leaders in OLEDs).
If you could buy TCL, Samsung or LG you wouldn’t even consider TCL. They make cheap quality products.

Sony would be better to keep TV and Audio division but they need to invest more to fight back. In the past Sony logo on TV meant premium top quality product. They could get this back, but it requires investments and some work to fight back. Cooperating with TCL will make things worse not better.

Played the demo, pretty nice thing that allows to play around first hour or so. Then decided to just buy it. It has huge Skyrim vibe but more kind of a dark fantasy setting. Music is awesome. Atmosphere is awesome. Strong 7/10 at least. They should fix some issues in the future too.
Highly recommend it, it’s quite fresh game on the market full of similar games.

Looks pretty bland. They want to release „Plague Tale” type game but the original still seems to be better. Can be nice to get this one when the price drops 50%, but at this price? No thank you.

@kailun MS didn’t become no 1. richest company with biggest profits in the world by making stupid decisions. They know what they are doing pretty well.
On the other hand we now hear about Sony giving their TV and Audio division to Chinese TCL.. brilliant decision.

They confront sales of product 1 with sales of product 2, and claim 7% of owners of the 1 also own 2.
It’s not true, if you remember that some part of these products sales were bought by whom? We used to call them „scalpers”. They are still active because that is easy money.

@OldGamer999 This will happen sooner than later with Sony gaming model.
For now that insist to be traditional console sold at loss and games with margin to cover that loss. At the same time production costs of hardware go up. And will be going up in future.

Sony did exactly the same in TVs market, and in Audio market. They insisted to not change anything and not adapt. As e result their TV and Audio shares are low and drop each year.

Same story will repeat one day with gaming if no one realizes they need to adapt. They finally interested in cloud and streaming, yet they don’t have infrastructure. They use Amazon or MS servers. They still did not realize they need to plan 20-30 years ahead and not 5 years ahead.

@Thatguyoverthere Generic? Fable? Wow you clearly have no idea about the game.

@Rich33 Wow, just stop. PS4 Pro introduced true 4K for us that was actually noticeable in those games. PS5 Pro introduced PSSR which is barely noticeable in most games, and makes some difference in how many.. 3 games this generation?

The real question is, how long Ubisoft will stay alive…

@nomither6 I would love to. Nintendo has awesome games. Always had. Best childhood memories are related with Nintendo games. The old ones, new ones age great but the classics the older ones <3

@LogicStrikesAgain We just exchanged our personal, subjective definitions of being underwhelmed by something. Nothing more, relax

@LogicStrikesAgain It’s premature, we haven’t play the game yet, but if they deliver what they shared, it is very possible.

I played the original Fables for the first time within last 4 years and must say they are awesome.

And if we speak of „underwhelming” that is the feeling I got after cartoony Wolverine presentation, that everyone argued with me looks so mature and violent, yet colourful like a damn cartoon.

@Questionable_Duck stop complaining, get your wallet. Fable suddenly after this presentation became one of strongest contestants for GOTY 26, not to mention its sales on each platform will be massive. It looks awesome, gameplay looks awesome and all the features explained sound awesome. Yay!

Forza 6 looks fantastic. Graphics will be awesome obviously, cars look great, I want to know only one thing - soundtrack. It would sound awesome to have fully Japanese OST

@LogicStrikesAgain You only ignore the trend which in statistics us important. Most of their sequels did worse than original games. People claim SM2 or HFW or Ragnarok will reach sales levels of original games, yet it is not happening. These sales trends went down. Who wanted to buy already did it. They will not sell another 10m copies.

@LogicStrikesAgain They sold 11m copies, then bundles happened and it went to 15m or so. I am not saying 5m is purely bundles, there are also some sales in Store taking place, but bundles did have some impact.

Considering most people claim it is decent game, with nice gameplay, yet bland story, childish missions, boring characters and overall worse than first game everywhere except some improved gameplay mechanics and bigger city.

I mean. I love first SM game, I like Morales, and I honestly was bored by SM2. I played around 10 hours and deleted only to download first game again.

@AverageGamer at least that way you know who is the greedy one

@LogicStrikesAgain I got Spiderman 2 bundled with console, at nearly no extra cost. If not that I wouldn’t buy it until price drops below $30 or get preowned copy. That is what I meant, they bundled the digital game with console but it was sold at nearly same price as console alone. Adding these to sales stats is questionable for me. Nintendo when they bundle anything they increase the bundle price.

Not really. The pinnacle of this month is a game that was on each possible sale every month twice, and whoever didn’t yet play Village must have lived on a stranded island. It was probably cheap to add. My guess.

At least they don’t ask $10 for an upgrade like some others do.

Those 12 people worldwide waiting for Marathon must be happy now.

@Czar_Khastik true. I can see at least two reason she would be good for the role.

@Max_the_German Spiderman 2 sales are highly affected by the fact they were adding it bundled with console. That created a picture of good sales results. But it did not sell that well if not bundles.

@LogicStrikesAgain Forbidden West is still below 10m, its sales slowed down much. Yōtei sold 3.3m in first month, hit falls behind Tsushima’s sales and did not reach 6m yet, they are somewhere around 4m something. The reason is, after lots of hype and release noise, it didn’t take three weeks for everyone to just forget about it. Barely anyone even mentions Yōtei now.

Btw, Astro Bot sold around 1m officially, but according to some leaks it’s somewhere around 1.5m. It won GOTY but sales wise is not really a grand success

AC Shadows higher than Yōtei

@themightyant Sometimes it’s the other way. I find it kind of crazy to see Death Stranding at $59.99 on PS5 and $39.99 on Xbox. It gets often on some sales on PS5 but still more expensive

Well, it’s logical if that is not a new release but an older game rerelease. It’s a pity other publishers do not decrease prices of their games after year or two. It’s ridiculous to go to PS Store and see some of the 4-5 year old games still at $70 price.

Everyone has own list and rating. There is no perfect game, each of these has pros and cons, good things and flaws. It’s very subjective.

It was a bad game, yet managed to keep servers for so long, compared to some other games that servers for closed in two weeks

This was a pretty great example of what a generic and mediocre game is. Can be good looking, can come from renowned studio, and still be nearly a trash.

@PuppetMaster Man, that was too long, I admit I read only 30% I stopped reading when you tried to convince Yōtei is some kind of best seller or something, while having a price tag $10 lower than Tsushima, it falls far behind it in sales numbers in similar time period. You may want to check that before you start arguing, after release it sold well, then dropped and sells slow now. It will not reach Tsushima sales, just like most of their sequels did not reach original game sales (Forbidden West, TLOU2, SM2, Ragnarok.. they all sold much worse than the first game). Why? Because (you will pretend you do not see that) after few years man start to notice they are all similar, lazy sequels with little efforts and evolution, no creativity at all. I am getting tired of playing the same all over again.

PS. If you reply, please try to make it shorter

Yeah..
Firstly, PS3 emulation isn’t going to happen, and I don’t rally want to waste time explaining technicals.. Secondly, nice damage control but Marathon is going to be a flop, let’s not pretend we didn’t see comments, reactions and actual game presentations and it looks mediocre.. Third, „Hulst has failed his remit of diversifying PlayStation’s portfolio” is great summary of how I view Sony’s portfolio since last 5-6 years: these are all the same genre, same theme, similar story games, there is no creativity and no revolution any more, that is damn sad. And finally, fourth, I am not judging anyone waiting for Wolverine, but since I really hoped for a darker and more serious story and style, I am not buying Spiderman 2 reskin where again we are fighting some robots and machines in a world looking like a damn colorful cartoon.. I wanted darker Logan/Wolverine movie style , and they want to deliver Avengers style combined with Paw Patrol style, adding blood like it was supposed to change it drastically into something more serious.

@Rich33 like you said, they all produce and sell consoles at loss, and want to profit by margins and selling games later on. The thing is, times are changing. In corporate, every year you are expected to increase income, decrease costs, and increase profit. Sooner or later they all will stop selling consoles at loss because that is consuming their profit a lot. Question was who will be the one to begin that process, and it seems it will be MS with their next hybrid. Soon after Sony will also stop selling at loss, Nintendo as well. With hardware prices going up, that is obvious.

And I agree with the guy who said that after PS6 and Xbox PC there will be no more consoles, they will more to cloud and streaming. If hardware gets expensive then the product gets expensive then it sells worse. So why producing it if you can use streaming.

We have seen it happening with music, with movies.. who still thinks it will not happen with gaming is naive.

@AdamNovice there are different tiers and classes, super cars, rally, drift, etc etc. In 10 hrs you barely tried the beginning of the game.

They could release the OG Fable trilogy on PS5.
Easy money.

Just finished Syberia Remastered, for me a 9/10 game, original one was 10/10.
Since there is no Syberia 2 Remaster available but only 3rd game on PS, playing Syberia 2 on iOS now

Mediocre set. The NFS is bad. Mickey is.. average. And the indie game..

@SeaDaVie which is ridiculous because Horizon series is so dumb, characters, dialogs, lore.. only combat and exploration is fun. But at the same time „PS exclusive” tag makes sales getting higher. Violet game will also sell, even being so bad.

@SeaDaVie
Quoting you: „ There's been like 2 main Horizon Games, 3 Spider-man games(including the spin-off Miles Morale) and 2 Ghost games.”

That would not be a problem if that wasn’t their main lineup for last 6-7 years. Their several studios work only on one existing IP.
Insomniac after SM1, Morales, SM2, work on similar game Wolverine l, after which they will work on SM3. Come on. Where is creativity.

Guerilla? Their last IP different than Horizon was Killzone Shadow Fall in 2013, since 2017 they work only on Horizon IP with two more games in development.. which is ridiculous to me since Horizon lore, characters, dialogs are so dumb.

These games are not bad, but it gets a little boring to play 3-4 same IPs all over again. I want something new, fresh, different. Not the same again.

Like one said in different comment:
„ Yup, I've seen this movie before”.
And will we in 5 generic sequels. Damn.

@PuppetMaster
Yōtei, sold much worse than first part in same time, few weeks after release and sales dropped, we no longer even see any noise about the game on media.
Hellblade (first one sold decent, second one landed on GamePass hence sold rather poorly).
Control.. for a new IP 5 mln copies in its lifetime isn’t bad, but it is not really a good sales compared to titles selling 10, or 15 mln copies.

@SeaDaVie Sure, in which country was developed and in which coincidentally sold mostly? That’s the answer.

@LogicStrikesAgain it ha nothing to do with Sony or Xbox sentiment. Marathon is just a really bad example to mention. It is their game, but it is not a good neither awaited game.

@PuppetMaster Yeah, except some of these you mention didn’t sell that good as you claim and as good as developer or Sony expected.

@Slayer25c I know, but using Marathon as argument is like using Concord as argument. Let’s not pretend this will sell well. I suppose they will close it’s servers in 6 months anyway.

@naruball nah, Stellar Blade sold because it was Asian studio, good looking dolls and gameplay ripped of soulslikes, but that the same time the world felt empty and uninteractive, filled with some enemies and bosses here and there and minimal interactions. Story wise was.. well.. generic. It sold well mainly because of the dolls. If that game was released with main protagonist looking normal or being a dude, it would not sell well and we all know it.

@Matthewnh
Your argument for GTA6 „ is just going to be more of the same, and hardly groundbreaking. Yes, it will be great fun, but we know exactly what to expect by now. Sure, more of the same is good, but how about invention, or originality”…. And later on you get hyped for Ghost of Yotei, Horizon Zero West, Spiderman 2 or Wolverine, and another God of War..

Invention? Originality? Anything groundbreaking?

So.. if even Sony is not interested in releasing covers for Pro, that sounds like they didn’t sell as much as they hoped to sell. Otherwise they would support it to profit on covers as well.

The Fable reboot sounds very nice.
It’s a pity they did not release the OG Fable 1/2/3 on PS5, these are lovely games.