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Didn’t they just come back to the size from 2016 when they delivered Doom?

I’m passing on this.
First, not a true GOW game with all that agenda.
Second, that’s how boycott works, talking is only talking, not buying games is taking actions.

Managed to buy a Chrono Trigger for 3DS, so that’s what I’ll play for next few days

@The_Hooligan
1) you pay for license to use the product, but on PC you can purchase from various shops, with various discounts, usually much cheaper than PS Store.
2) no idea, none of my games was removed allowing me to verify that..
3) prices are MUCH better than PS Store, refund policy allows you to get a real refund unlike on PS
4) partially, but I no longer trust Sony considering their Finance VP said about more monetizing an increasing profits from player base. It usually means prices go up, not down. Also if PS6 really is near $1200, I won’t buy it.

@ilyn you know what else repeat most of the content? All their damn sequels. Literally 90% of their first party games are sequels this generation with even assets being reused.

@0niguy Steam sells cheaper. PC has various storefronts. There is no monopoly of one eshop.

I am surprised knowning what greedy Sony may do when they get rid of discs and drive, there are still people defending this move.

@AdamNovice It’s similar to statistics done during elections. These are not real votes, yet on the end these statistics are often close to end results. Statistics doesn’t mean you go ask 90m people.

@AdamNovice if its fine to be so short, why then the price is same as for 20-30-80h long games?

@ThePlaystationStan Digital on PC with competitive stores is ok. Digital on PS6 with one store giving them monopoly to set prices is damn wrong.

There’s a name for what they are doing.
Greed.

What is more, they are seriously considering exclusivity for ES6. But like I often hear, consoles need exclusives to sell, right..

Sony is greedy now.
They want to monetize player base more.
Canceling discs and monopoly of PS Store is just the first step.

Next step after they take your discs and drive is increasing digital game prices in their Store.
That is so obvious.

Just google what Lin Tao, Sony Finance SVP said

One more question.
What if PS6 with no drive and discs costs $1000 and Helix with drive, and Steam store costs $1200?

I would buy it.

@MrPeanutbutterz So basically it’s not fully GamePass fault. Also some people who abused the system, buying subs for cheap.

@Almost_Ghostly For me Sony lineup is all the same I’ll over again. Same 3 games, same 3 IPs, same assets. I am just tired of their games since this generation. And fear next gen will be even worse with lack of disc drive and discs - I am definitely not buying castrated console for $1000-$1200. Sooo I am waiting to see what that Sharma delivers with Helix - if they include disc drive, various storefronts and free multi in Helix at similar price to PS6 - I am buying Xbox.

F*ck Sony and their full digital agenda.

@MrStark Sony themselves advertised in a video campaign some time ago how to exchange games with others with discs

This marketing campaign didn’t age well.

@MidnightDragonDX
I cancelled in Feb. Got this discount now and only LOLed. No way I’m going back.

@8th_Observer Yeah, there is a difference in buying a studio and killing it, vs selling it.

@Swandivetotheasphalt
No. 5.4m people played campaign which is PAID.
It’s 12m people who played the free one.

Marathon sold 1.2m copies.

1.2 <<< 5.4
Basic math.

@Almost_Ghostly well, that depends. If Xbox will keep disc drive, adds access to various storefronts and real PC console hybrid mode.. wouldn’t be so sure about Sony in next gen.

They both MS and Sony will release expensive consoles with a difference.
One will lack disc drive and discs, meaning PS Store monopoly at full, with high prices.
The other promised other stores, and they are now rethinking disc drive in Helix.

I am sure if Helix delivers, I buy it.
I am also sure if PS6 lacks drive and discs - I am not buying it.

@Swandivetotheasphalt you better double check these numbers, according to steam analytics Halo Infinite was bought by 5.4m, with player base between 8.8-12m (difference is probably XGP or whatever).

It sold better than Saros, Returnal and Marathon together.

@Sonofken it will be like always, in the end the PC version will be the best anyway.
On consoles there are compromises.
On decent PC ? No

@Darthtiddy I don’t miss Xbox One days, because I never had one before Series X. I always was either with Nintendo or Sony.
This gen got them them all, but next gen.. Although I have a library on PSN, if MS delivers Helix with PC mode and PC games and different storefronts.. I change to Xbox.

It’s a console toy. Not a heart transplant.

@8th_Observer maybe because Sony CLOSED studios, while MS SOLD studios.

Btw, the Bungie layoffs didn’t even begin seriously yet

.. with another damn controller

Jesus.

Sounds desperate.

Why should they talk to you if they still hear your wallet singing to them..?!

Close your wallet. They will come talking.

Is it bad though? No big dev is closed. No big and awaited project cancelled. Teams are being made smaller, but the division gets -20% .. and people behave like it was -50%.
I know it’s good to have some moment to stop talking about Sony doing their bad decisions, but when Sony will begin firing people at Bungie I am sure I will read lots of reasons that this is good here for obvious reasons

So: no disc drive + one digital store = you have no other choice than buy from them at whatever price they ask.

Also, it seems the long list of remaster sold at $60 of most PS4/5 games will be available lol

I am sorry but at this point I am suspecting they will release lots of “carefully prepared statistics” to justify their decision.
Was it 15%? Maybe 30%? Or 40%?
We will never learn truth.
But I am very sure 15% is a lie, just by seeing how they release sales stats for different games and adding physical copies makes rather a difference bigger than 15%.

@Jade37 People buying their movies though the same. Now they lost access.

Next gens will most likely be all digital both PS6 and Helix, but there is a huge difference.

On the Xbox you may have different stores to buy games meaning different prices. On PS6 you have monopoly store.

Now I only wait to see Asha takes this chance to introduce next Xbox with disc drive.
If there is no drive I am not buying PS6.

Digital only PS6 would not be a huge problem, it there were several different stores with games on it with proper competition in pricing.

But there isn’t. And won’t be. Having only one monopoly PS Store where I tell you right after going full digital they will increase game prices. You will see. Why? Because you will have no other option to buy games there.

Xbox Helix starts to look really tempting at this point.

How did they run a casting for Tupac..?!

They will sell because of the pricing.
They cancel all discounts to keep the price as high as possible.

PS4 at end of its life got decent discounts.
PS5 they increased the price.

They were paid to say so.

Knowing Sony and studio, the next game will cast only Pranque.. and people will still defend it claiming that was a plan from the beginning.

The problem is: they already have designed a specification for PS6, ordered parts and hardware. It would be an outdated at release anyway compared to PCs, but still powerful.

If they postpone release by 2 years, they will release a very outdated hardware.
At this point they will not change specification or hardware parts. Too late.

Difficult choice for corporate executives.

Best will be on good PC.
Consoles should deliver fairly decent quality though.

Cough cough..
Helix and Steam support..

But of course they also didn’t sell well.

Fairgame$, Horizon MMO.. anyone there believing these will sell is delusional..

They will make anything to keep prices high.
Good for players? Don’t think so.

Yeah. Sure.
Why not from 2005..? Or 2001? Or 1995
Smells like damage control

Control was great. Fresh. Something new in this market full of similar products.
Resonant looks like perfect sequel - a revolution.

@Swandivetotheasphalt yeah, at the same time even though you got multiplayer for free, 5.4m people bought Halo Infinite, which wasn’t even that great at all.
Gears 5 sold 1-2m copies.
Assassin Shadows 1.4m.
Crimson Desert 4.8m.
Spiderman 2 less than 1m.
Forza Horizon 5 sold 8.4m.

Sony hoped Tsushima sells much much more on Steam. Their games usually sell great on own system, for some reason none of them did that great on PC. Which is strange since they didn’t have much competition. They still earned some cash on PC. I just hope if they cut that income from PC and assuming game development costs grow.. they won’t increase prices soon or later..

@ThroughTheIris56 reviews and ratings aside, it did not sell well. These kind of cinematic games are not very popular. Very few exceptions. Mark my words and wait to see how Until Dawn 2 fails to sell decent amount of copies.

That is how you make an original game with original story and revolution in gameplay. Some studios still try to surprise us with something new.

For me “Soon” is like a month or two.
12 months from now is “coming next year”.
Not soon.

Man, people were buying PS5 Pro disc drives for $1000 🤣 there will be of course some people willing to buy these memory cards too.

@Flaming_Kaiser original games with original ideas and some revolutionary gameplay mechanics..? You will see many of these. From third party developers. Not from first party ones. They won’t get a green light. Returnal sold decently, so Sony approved “sequel”. Saros sold incredibly bad, so they basically took away budget from them. That’s why they will make a smaller game.

It’s a pity Sony threw away Days Gone sequel, and probably will close the studio sooner or later.
Strange to me they didn’t want to make a sequel.