The headline should've read "Here's What Happens When You Try To Make Burnout 3 With Burnout 1 Money And Someone Else Owns The License".
The more I see and hear, the less I want. I've heard it's a lack of funding that led to this mess, but if they'd come out and said they were doing a Burnout game I'm sure they could've raised more instead of being all cloak and dagger.
No patience to wait for this if they can't get the details right. Either make up with EA or get the rights back. Anything else is not realistically gonna sell much.
Using a brief, concise format like this - esp. when there's little AAA content - is a pretty reasonable way to do it, and will make the "BIG" announcements pop even more.
Didn't watch it, just scrolled the comments which gave a definitive "meh" vibe. No info on any big games... Very close to a fail but I'll allow for the first try blues. Next update had better be gooder.
I like the episodic nature of these type of games, but always buy as one entire package. Then sometimes I'll start with the last episode. I'd never have the patience to hang waiting for each episode, and definately wouldn't wait 3-4 months each time. Guaranteed, by the time the last one hits, I've watched the others on YouTube. My backlog is so big I really don't buy anything year one let alone day one. Sales, sales, sales.
Had Castlevania 1&2 on Game Boy. Not sure it'd be the same on PS4. Mildly interesting but definitely a sale purchase if at all. Why do no retro collections include racing games?
@FullbringIchigo fair enough as I wasn't thinking of places without good speeds and where I am the internet's pretty good although you pay for it, but faster (not necessarily cheaper) internet may come when the media people want is increasingly not available in stores at all
@FullbringIchigo most games will not have the sales or the studio have R*'s or T2's money to fund it. It's not as simple as saying "oh our game is 150Gb let's do three discs". Packaging and shipping costs costs rise significantly in addition to the extra discs.
Given that the game ends up on your HDD anyway, it's more cost effective to release as one disc with a day one update with the rest of the game. If your packaging is too different, box stores won't like it as it won't fit their displays or take up too much space
Sadly, large day one updates will be common place. There's no reason for a game to release on multiple discs, unless like R*, you want to have a positive PR bullet-point to push your product. Not every dev can afford that.
And going digital means less packaging going to landfills
@TowaHerschel7 IAgreed, a 20Kb DLC is a stretch! But a 20Kb modification to a file within a larger 5Gb update is not. Your overall game size will not change in any real sense, but you still have to download the entire 5Gb update
@TowaHerschel7 Just because 150Gb or higher discs exist doesn't mean Sony will use them as manufacturing costs would be prohibitive
As streaming and digital sales account for an increasing percentage... the motivation for their use goes the opposite direction. The size of games will determine the move to digital more than anything as they'll get bigger faster than disc media storage. Particularly on consoles where your hardware specs are fixed for the life of the console.
@FullbringIchigo "if i buy a game on disc, then i expect the game to be on the bloody disc".
Good luck with that. A Blu-ray only holds at best 50Gb and many games now are nearly double and getting bigger. And physical media is not keeping up as content providers are switching to digital/streaming as sizes increase. So you may have a nice case you can sell, but understand that your game is as digital as mine.
Also, game files are "compiled" kinda like a zipfile so it's not as easy as just switching out the offending 20kb of code in a specific file as that file has been collected into a bigger compiled file that may be 5Gb. The PS4 cannot decompile files so the dev has to send the entire 5Gb file and not only the part that changed. That's why a 5Gb update for say something like Elder Scrolls Online doesn't just add 5Gb to the game size as 99% may be the same as to what you already have.
It's also easier to have everyone on the same version of the game even if you haven't bought the same DLC as your friend. Maybe you bought Morrowind and Summerset and they bought Summerset only... but I'd bet your game size would be nearly identical.
All PS4 games, regardless of size, install to and run from the HDD. Doesn't matter if its 100Mb or 100Gb. Doesn't matter if you buy it thru the PS Store or Best Buy. Those that insist on buying a disc is just enforcing the frustration of switching them all the time. Yes, I guess you can sell them, but your player base interested in buying them is shrinking.
The same people who complain about no discs are the same people who buy vinyl records. You, friends, are a dying breed relegated to the media backwoods. The future is digital.
I am generally pretty happy with PS+ as I cover my sub with the sales and the games I redeem are a bonus.
Though I don't redeem everything, I average $250 in games over my sub cost. I look at the games as a great way to try games I wouldn't otherwise buy and the fact they're the complete game and not a demo or first chapter is very cool.
PushSquare is easily the PS site I visit the most and would extend an invitation if you're ever looking for a new location to come to Canada (we're still a part of the Commonwealth) as you being UK based is the only thing that makes me sad. But you do a good job of keeping us North Americans in the loop.
And agree that a comment section that is effectively moderated and used with respect by its users is a definite plus.
It's pretty simple. If as many people had a Vita as the number of people complaining about losing games for it... Sony would still be making the Vita. Its a dead system that never had appropriate support either from developers or Sony and anything worth giving has been given.
As for the PS3, it makes sense to kill it now to make way and build hype for the PS5, and like the Vita, the vault's running thin. If there's good stuff that hasn't been on Plus it's probably due to licencing or a refusal of the developer/publisher.
IMO PS Plus should only support at best one legacy system below current gen.
It's just another transaction. If you want it pay up. If you don't, don't. Me, I'd just wait as the only reason to get it early is if you're playing online in the period there's other players and generally I avoid multiplayer in most games.
Without knowing what deal they made with Activision, who are not known for giving stuff away and this being the first month sans PS3 and Vita, maybe it'll get better. But a lackluster start IMO.
Don't know anything about the Witness, but if adding an 12 year old game with some nicer visuals is people's idea of Sony "bringing it", may the stars help us.
@jFug @MonkeyDLuffy19 maybe I took it too literal or maybe I'm getting old. Maybe they'll do "Until Dawn for Seniors". Definitely some Stephen King suspense there!!
@Th3solution Onrush also had a pretty awful release. If it had sold anywhere near expected... you certainly wouldn't have seen a quick offering on PS+ let alone the dismissal of Evolution. The little time I played in the beta didn't impress me. however, it gets a 75 on Metacritic so I may have missed my chance to get a decent game free.
Until Dawn was a good idea but a bit too Scream/Scary Movie teen-focused IMO. A more adult focused sequel would be appreciated. But keep it in the realm of scary reality... no Silent Hill creatures or zombies. We have other games for that.
I find it interesting that over the course of PS+ in America - I looked at the complete list on Wiki - that there has been only a couple of racing games on PS4. Driveclub, Tabletop Racing World Tour... There have been games with racing elements like Race the Sun, Velocity 2X, Trials Fusion, Trackmania Turbo and Onrush. That's pretty much the entire list so far. With the elimination of PS3 and Vita, surely we could get an older game like NFS Rivals or Baja: Edge of Control or newer titles like MotoRacer 4 or Flatout 4. I want a real racing game. But I already own most of them, so it'll probably be something I have.
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Re: Bluepoint's Next Project a Re-Envisioning Beyond Shadow of the Colossus
ICO re-invisioned with better graphics and gameplay would be dope!!! Please be ICO!!
Re: Hands On: Dangerous Driving Is Burnout 3 on Burnout 1's Budget
The headline should've read "Here's What Happens When You Try To Make Burnout 3 With Burnout 1 Money And Someone Else Owns The License".
The more I see and hear, the less I want. I've heard it's a lack of funding that led to this mess, but if they'd come out and said they were doing a Burnout game I'm sure they could've raised more instead of being all cloak and dagger.
No patience to wait for this if they can't get the details right. Either make up with EA or get the rights back. Anything else is not realistically gonna sell much.
Re: The Elder Scrolls VI and Starfield Will Skip E3 2019, Todd Howard Confirms
They didn't say they wouldn't be there. They said they won't be talking about them. Expect a slightly expanded trailer for ES6 that tells us nothing.
Re: PS Plus April 2019 PS4 Games Announced
And I thought last month's games were meh. These are MEH! 🙃
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced During Sony PlayStation's State of Play Livestream?
Using a brief, concise format like this - esp. when there's little AAA content - is a pretty reasonable way to do it, and will make the "BIG" announcements pop even more.
Re: Talking Point: What Did You Think of Sony's State of Play Livestream?
Didn't watch it, just scrolled the comments which gave a definitive "meh" vibe. No info on any big games... Very close to a fail but I'll allow for the first try blues. Next update had better be gooder.
Re: Talking Point: What Free April 2019 PS Plus Games Do You Want?
Why do I have to constantly sign in?? Was just automatically signed in before.
Re: Sony to Stop Selling Full Game Digital Download Codes at Retail
@gruf69 I don't that applies if you announce it more than a week early but it does make you think. March 22 - the new April 1st?!
Re: Dangerous Driving, the New Arcade Racer from Burnout Creators, Smashes onto PS4 in April
@klog60 I say half-baked as I'm guessing they'd be sued by EA if they make it too Burnout-ish. And what I've seen is very Burnout-ish
Re: Borderlands: Game of the Year Edition Announcement Is Inevitable Following ESRB Rating
Should be a collection
Re: Life Is Strange 2 Is Being Drawn Out All the Way to December 2019
I like the episodic nature of these type of games, but always buy as one entire package. Then sometimes I'll start with the last episode. I'd never have the patience to hang waiting for each episode, and definately wouldn't wait 3-4 months each time. Guaranteed, by the time the last one hits, I've watched the others on YouTube. My backlog is so big I really don't buy anything year one let alone day one. Sales, sales, sales.
Re: Konami Celebrates 50th Anniversary with Retro Collections Coming to PS4
Had Castlevania 1&2 on Game Boy. Not sure it'd be the same on PS4. Mildly interesting but definitely a sale purchase if at all. Why do no retro collections include racing games?
Re: Google's Stadia Controller Has an Awful Lot In Common with the PS4's DualShock 4
A DS4 without the touchpad and presumably the light bar. Lawyers incoming.
Re: Rumour: EA Access Spotted on Brazilian PlayStation Store
Yawn. Breathe. Yawn again.
Re: Snooker 19 Sure Looks Like a Snooker Game in First PS4 Trailer
I have pure pool. Good enough.
Re: SEGA Has Released a Team Sonic Racing Trailer That Actually Shows the Game
Sorry, but CTR for me
Re: Rumour: Sony in Advanced Board Level Discussions to Acquire Take Two
At least MarketWatch removed the article. PushSquare is still hunting for clicks
Re: Rumour: Sony in Advanced Board Level Discussions to Acquire Take Two
article removed almost as fast as it appeared
Re: Physical Copies of The Division 2 Will Require a Gigantic 90GB Download
@FullbringIchigo fair enough as I wasn't thinking of places without good speeds and where I am the internet's pretty good although you pay for it, but faster (not necessarily cheaper) internet may come when the media people want is increasingly not available in stores at all
Re: Physical Copies of The Division 2 Will Require a Gigantic 90GB Download
@FullbringIchigo most games will not have the sales or the studio have R*'s or T2's money to fund it. It's not as simple as saying "oh our game is 150Gb let's do three discs". Packaging and shipping costs costs rise significantly in addition to the extra discs.
Given that the game ends up on your HDD anyway, it's more cost effective to release as one disc with a day one update with the rest of the game. If your packaging is too different, box stores won't like it as it won't fit their displays or take up too much space
Sadly, large day one updates will be common place. There's no reason for a game to release on multiple discs, unless like R*, you want to have a positive PR bullet-point to push your product. Not every dev can afford that.
And going digital means less packaging going to landfills
Re: Physical Copies of The Division 2 Will Require a Gigantic 90GB Download
@TowaHerschel7 IAgreed, a 20Kb DLC is a stretch! But a 20Kb modification to a file within a larger 5Gb update is not. Your overall game size will not change in any real sense, but you still have to download the entire 5Gb update
Re: Physical Copies of The Division 2 Will Require a Gigantic 90GB Download
@TowaHerschel7 Just because 150Gb or higher discs exist doesn't mean Sony will use them as manufacturing costs would be prohibitive
As streaming and digital sales account for an increasing percentage... the motivation for their use goes the opposite direction. The size of games will determine the move to digital more than anything as they'll get bigger faster than disc media storage. Particularly on consoles where your hardware specs are fixed for the life of the console.
Re: Physical Copies of The Division 2 Will Require a Gigantic 90GB Download
@FullbringIchigo "if i buy a game on disc, then i expect the game to be on the bloody disc".
Good luck with that. A Blu-ray only holds at best 50Gb and many games now are nearly double and getting bigger. And physical media is not keeping up as content providers are switching to digital/streaming as sizes increase. So you may have a nice case you can sell, but understand that your game is as digital as mine.
Also, game files are "compiled" kinda like a zipfile so it's not as easy as just switching out the offending 20kb of code in a specific file as that file has been collected into a bigger compiled file that may be 5Gb. The PS4 cannot decompile files so the dev has to send the entire 5Gb file and not only the part that changed. That's why a 5Gb update for say something like Elder Scrolls Online doesn't just add 5Gb to the game size as 99% may be the same as to what you already have.
It's also easier to have everyone on the same version of the game even if you haven't bought the same DLC as your friend. Maybe you bought Morrowind and Summerset and they bought Summerset only... but I'd bet your game size would be nearly identical.
Re: Physical Copies of The Division 2 Will Require a Gigantic 90GB Download
All PS4 games, regardless of size, install to and run from the HDD. Doesn't matter if its 100Mb or 100Gb. Doesn't matter if you buy it thru the PS Store or Best Buy. Those that insist on buying a disc is just enforcing the frustration of switching them all the time. Yes, I guess you can sell them, but your player base interested in buying them is shrinking.
Re: PS4's Free International Women's Day Theme Is Ace
Too bad these weren't a wallpaper for PC
Re: EA Won't Be Hosting a Press Conference at E3 2019
@suikoden EA's just following it's big brothers.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Buy a Disc-Less PS4 Console?
The same people who complain about no discs are the same people who buy vinyl records. You, friends, are a dying breed relegated to the media backwoods.
The future is digital.
Re: Poll: Do You Feel Ripped Off by PS Plus' Recent Changes?
I am generally pretty happy with PS+ as I cover my sub with the sales and the games I redeem are a bonus.
Though I don't redeem everything, I average $250 in games over my sub cost. I look at the games as a great way to try games I wouldn't otherwise buy and the fact they're the complete game and not a demo or first chapter is very cool.
Re: Horizon: Zero Dawn Sells Over 10 Million Copies Worldwide in Two Years
Should guess what HZD2 will be called. I'd say Horizon Gaia Rising.
Re: Site News: Push Square Is Now Ten Years Old (We Think)
PushSquare is easily the PS site I visit the most and would extend an invitation if you're ever looking for a new location to come to Canada (we're still a part of the Commonwealth) as you being UK based is the only thing that makes me sad. But you do a good job of keeping us North Americans in the loop.
And agree that a comment section that is effectively moderated and used with respect by its users is a definite plus.
Happy 10th birthday 🎂🍰
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Games for March 2019?
It's pretty simple. If as many people had a Vita as the number of people complaining about losing games for it... Sony would still be making the Vita. Its a dead system that never had appropriate support either from developers or Sony and anything worth giving has been given.
As for the PS3, it makes sense to kill it now to make way and build hype for the PS5, and like the Vita, the vault's running thin. If there's good stuff that hasn't been on Plus it's probably due to licencing or a refusal of the developer/publisher.
IMO PS Plus should only support at best one legacy system below current gen.
Re: The Division 2's Year 1 Content Is Free, But the Season Pass Supposedly Lets You Get It Early
@Flaming_Kaiser maybe but I don't have many WB games except Arkham Knight (probably the one you're talking about) 😀
THQ appears like they'd microtransaction a whole game if they could. I gave no examples but just my impression.
Re: Horizon: Zero Dawn Sells Over 10 Million Copies Worldwide in Two Years
@Splat HZD2 on PS5. Remaster collection PS6. 😀
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Games for March 2019?
Never redeemed PS3 or Vita unless xbuy with PS4 so don't miss it. Both games are decent quality but with one being 12 yrs old kinda meh.
Re: The Division 2's Year 1 Content Is Free, But the Season Pass Supposedly Lets You Get It Early
@Flaming_Kaiser I'd list THQ Nordic before Ubisoft and cringe with how they'll monetize all recent acquisitions. But def EA and Activision. 😁
Re: The Division 2's Year 1 Content Is Free, But the Season Pass Supposedly Lets You Get It Early
It's just another transaction. If you want it pay up. If you don't, don't. Me, I'd just wait as the only reason to get it early is if you're playing online in the period there's other players and generally I avoid multiplayer in most games.
Re: PS Plus March 2019 PS4 Games Announced
Without knowing what deal they made with Activision, who are not known for giving stuff away and this being the first month sans PS3 and Vita, maybe it'll get better. But a lackluster start IMO.
Re: PS Plus March 2019 PS4 Games Announced
Don't know anything about the Witness, but if adding an 12 year old game with some nicer visuals is people's idea of Sony "bringing it", may the stars help us.
Re: Leisure Suit Larry Will Seemingly Hit on the PS4 Soon
This is why we can't have a new Commander Keen. Developers wasting their talents IMO
Re: House of Ashes Trademarked by Until Dawn Dev Supermassive Games
@jFug @MonkeyDLuffy19 maybe I took it too literal or maybe I'm getting old. Maybe they'll do "Until Dawn for Seniors". Definitely some Stephen King suspense there!!
Re: Talking Point: What Free March 2019 PlayStation Plus Games Do You Want?
@Th3solution Onrush also had a pretty awful release. If it had sold anywhere near expected... you certainly wouldn't have seen a quick offering on PS+ let alone the dismissal of Evolution. The little time I played in the beta didn't impress me. however, it gets a 75 on Metacritic so I may have missed my chance to get a decent game free.
Re: House of Ashes Trademarked by Until Dawn Dev Supermassive Games
Until Dawn was a good idea but a bit too Scream/Scary Movie teen-focused IMO. A more adult focused sequel would be appreciated. But keep it in the realm of scary reality... no Silent Hill creatures or zombies. We have other games for that.
Re: Guide: DiRT Rally 2.0 - Full Car List
Would be cool if they added rally spec versions of the Porsche 959 and Ferrari 288 GTO / F40 as fantasy cars
Re: Demon's Souls Remaster Rumours Reignited by One Word from Kotaku Editor Jason Schreier
I hope Bluepoint are also working on ICO
Re: Talking Point: What Free March 2019 PlayStation Plus Games Do You Want?
@Devlind Journey was on plus a few years ago. The last Guardian is too new I think, and I already own it 🙂
Re: Trials Rising - Addictive Vehicular Platforming with Some Issues
@Deadcow Ubisoft and EA say it every day 🙂
Re: Talking Point: What Free March 2019 PS Plus Games Do You Want?
Black Ops 3 was not a part of the standard PS+ offering for June 2018. Started a week late and went a week into July offerings.
Re: Mystery Bethesda Game Suddenly Up for Pre-Order, Placeholder Trailer Looks Like Fallout
my guess - Fallout 76 - Fooled You 3 Times, Baby Edition
Re: Mystery Bethesda Game Suddenly Up for Pre-Order, Placeholder Trailer Looks Like Fallout
@FullbringIchigo except it probably isn't working
Re: Talking Point: What Free March 2019 PS Plus Games Do You Want?
I find it interesting that over the course of PS+ in America - I looked at the complete list on Wiki - that there has been only a couple of racing games on PS4. Driveclub, Tabletop Racing World Tour... There have been games with racing elements like Race the Sun, Velocity 2X, Trials Fusion, Trackmania Turbo and Onrush. That's pretty much the entire list so far. With the elimination of PS3 and Vita, surely we could get an older game like NFS Rivals or Baja: Edge of Control or newer titles like MotoRacer 4 or Flatout 4. I want a real racing game. But I already own most of them, so it'll probably be something I have.