1. With Sony, Atlus, and others going multiplat I feel like my PS5 is less needed than I did when I got it at launch.
2. My new Steam Deck has really taken some value from my PS5 as well. It can’t do ultra high quality AAA visuals but it still can run most games at a lower price to buy and with a better digital ownership model including free cloud saves.
3. The direction of live service/multiplayer, higher prices, and fewer weird titles causes me concerns.
Edit: 4. This is my first PlayStation and I experienced many PS4 games on my Ps5. I imagine I would rate it lower if I had already played them.
This is a great hardware platform for them to build towards full cloud gaming. I hope they will keep pushing this new platform (just like I hope to see more PSVR2).
I love so much that they continue to regularly push out these titles. I wish more devs would take note. I don’t need massive improvements in graphics, quest logs, and world size in every game.
Weird choices for awards. I haven’t play BG3 yet. It’s probably stellar. That said, it was a stellar year for gamers. Maybe the best ever. I would expect more slots for all the other excellent games.
I don’t see how you make a platform locked live service game.
Fortnite, Genshin, all those mobile games I can’t name— the reason these titles make bank is (1) they run on everything so they have a huge potential audience and (2) that audience can constantly engage and spend money.
I just don’t see how Sony gains that level of success especially from their customer base — which based on Spiderman’s success wants epic AAA single player titles.
@Dirk_Diggler i find it amazing they raised the price and didn’t work to ensure the selection immediately after the price raise was enticing. Really bad messaging.
Quirky/weird/fun: Bugsnax Sackboy Heavenly Bodies Toem Tony Hawk Overcooked Maquette Concrete Genie Olli Olli World Yakuza Like a Dragon
Single player Action: Plague Tale Control Superhot Jedi Fallen Order Little Nightmares Mass Effect Remastered Death’s Door Endling Minecraft Dungeons Alan Wake Shadow of Tomb Raider
If it was $50 for both plus all DLC and PH3 did it then… maybe.
For now I am using my Steam Deck for most new 3rd party games. I would make exceptions for particularly excellent releases, graphically intense games, or games many family members want to play (couch coop etc).
From my perspective on PS the digital experience is better. I don’t have to listen to the disk drive or get up to switch games. I am concerned about preservation though.
@Fyz306903 excellent question on power consumption and I want to know that too. MS has done a good job reducing the XSX power consumption over time. A smaller, cooler model that uses less electricity would be more compelling.
@Max_the_German sure, but being able to run Ue5 does not mean it’s as performant as Ps5 anymore than being able to run Witcher 3 meant Switch had the same performance as Ps4. That’s the crucial context all the gaming sites left out. Moores Law just doesn’t work like that. A 2022 computer isn’t going to be as fast as a 2020 computer with 1/20th the electricity.
There are people who are desperate to believe that their game/system of choice is going to demonstrably the best choice in every category. And that’s a fools errand. And we should build a gaming community that celebrates games for different reasons.
I am so glad the board gaming community doesn’t demand the best packaging and design and rules and everything else they go toxic on social media.
@Beerheadgamer82 yep! some of the press reported it was running Matrix UE5 demo and people extrapolated from that. It’s frustrating bc the gaming press has little-to-no incentive to inform people.
@Beerheadgamer82 Switch 2 will be somewhere around the power of a Steam Deck, nowhere near PS5 or XSX — so don’t let gaming sites mislead you. It’s simply power — a 10 watt computer can’t beat a 200 watt computer. Yet.
HDR will matter on the inevitable OLED mode and it would be a win for a lot of people with nice tvs.
Nope. I have ToCS 1-4 on my PS5 but I am switching new Trails purchases (Reverie, Kuro no Kiseki) to the Steam PH3 releases on my Steam Deck. My new PS5 purchases will primarily be for first party games, couch multiplayer, Ps+ offerings and Trails games are pretty ideal for portable mode.
I got a Steam Deck and with Playstation games moving to PC after one year and most of the Atlus/Falcom stuff going PC and/or multiplatform makes me less interested in the Playstation ecosystem. That said, I reup’d my Ps+ before the price hike and we’ll see how it goes. Over the past year I think I did quite well with PS+ (even with this terrible month) and I will hope for that to continue.
Computing is going towards defining everything in code. Game platforms are on that trajectory as well. The game platforms devs are picking are UE or Unity etc. The differences between Sony and Microsoft and PC have never been smaller.
This is especially true for game developers that aren’t (1) pushing boundaries in terms of hardware power both small (not trying to run on a Raspberry Pi or Playdate) and large (not trying to get FF16 on Switch or pushing AAA path traced everything graphics) and aren’t interested in (2) special user interactions (the “standard” controller is fine no DDR pads or Guitar Hero gear or the Playdate crank).
@Jacko11 I think the idea that all legitimate people who want these products need to be online to buy them within hours of the preorder going live is incredibly inflexible and wrong.
I don’t understand why this is so difficult for Sony. Put more digital defenses in to stop scalping or up your inventory. Protect your customers.
If the point of journalism is to inform or help people make better choices, this isn’t working.
People don’t read the full article so when your headline basically says “Sony lied to you” and then the article text is weirdly nuanced yeah, you’ve set people’s expectations all wrong. And what for? Engagement? Clicks? Is this fun? Meaningful? I just don’t understand.
I think choosing to recreate the show as a game is not a good play. You will never beat the show. Gotta try something else. Make the game as a prequel or maybe play in the world as a side character.
Survival stealth action game trying to escape the Fire Nation advances.
Farming game set in Sukki’s hometown.
Trading card game set in Bah Song See.
tactical game battling — where you are the fire nation!
They would get more value out of putting their characters (Little Big Planet Avatar puppets?) in other games than making this.
I’m following it but not planning to buy anytime soon. I’m much more interested in Metaphor which is being made by the P3-5 Director, Character designer, and composer.
Also, this is being said here in different ways. Gamers have too many choices and combined with inflation this is bad news for new game makers.
I can’t imagine having to launch a new game in 2023 and compete with both free-to-play, Gamepass for $10-15, and all the games that have been made over the past 10 years. Make a building game better than Minecraft or cheaper! Make a farm game better than Stardew Valley or cheaper! And you have AAA award winning games going half price after a month. Sure Plague Tale launches at $60 but it’s $30 now. It’s crazy.
Game was gorgeous but then I played the demo. I found traversal too slow and clunky and I genuinely didn’t enjoy the interaction model. I actually got lost in the demo and I really didn’t enjoy biking. I was really sad when it was over because I think they had some really good ideas here and it just needed more polish.
@Loftimus. That’s such a hater comment. There are so many more LGBT people than your made-up numbers suggest. And don’t make up rules for what people can enjoy. That’s so 1950.
I’m looking forward to this and I like supporting indies! It’s fine with me if the game has kink but it just needs to not be hateful (eg bodyshaming, anti queer) or creepy (eg age and consent issues).
The next games in this space I want to play are Trails into Reverie, this game, Tokyo Xanadu, and Metaphor. Maybe Xenoblade Chronicles.
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Re: Talking Point: As PS5 Turns 3, How Are You Feeling About It?
I voted love BUT with caveats:
1. With Sony, Atlus, and others going multiplat I feel like my PS5 is less needed than I did when I got it at launch.
2. My new Steam Deck has really taken some value from my PS5 as well. It can’t do ultra high quality AAA visuals but it still can run most games at a lower price to buy and with a better digital ownership model including free cloud saves.
3. The direction of live service/multiplayer, higher prices, and fewer weird titles causes me concerns.
Edit: 4. This is my first PlayStation and I experienced many PS4 games on my Ps5. I imagine I would rate it lower if I had already played them.
Re: Hardware Review: PS Portal Is the Perfect PS5 Companion (For Some)
This is a great hardware platform for them to build towards full cloud gaming. I hope they will keep pushing this new platform (just like I hope to see more PSVR2).
Re: A New Trails Game Will Launch in Japan Next Year as the West Continues to Catch Up
I love so much that they continue to regularly push out these titles. I wish more devs would take note. I don’t need massive improvements in graphics, quest logs, and world size in every game.
@Atlus Persona 6 anytime? It’s been a while.
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Dominates Golden Joystick Awards, Wins Game of the Year
Weird choices for awards. I haven’t play BG3 yet. It’s probably stellar. That said, it was a stellar year for gamers. Maybe the best ever. I would expect more slots for all the other excellent games.
Re: Sony Delays Six Live Service PS5 Games, But Company Remains Committed to Model
I don’t see how you make a platform locked live service game.
Fortnite, Genshin, all those mobile games I can’t name— the reason these titles make bank is (1) they run on everything so they have a huge potential audience and (2) that audience can constantly engage and spend money.
I just don’t see how Sony gains that level of success especially from their customer base — which based on Spiderman’s success wants epic AAA single player titles.
Re: PS5 Slim 'Not That Much Smaller', According to This Teardown Video
Overall I think most people will be happy or happier with the new version especially if they don’t have the original PS5.
Pros:
Cons:
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Essential Games for November 2023?
@Dirk_Diggler i find it amazing they raised the price and didn’t work to ensure the selection immediately after the price raise was enticing. Really bad messaging.
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for November 2023 Announced
Donuts
Another disappointing month from my perspective.
Favorites over the past few years include:
Quirky/weird/fun:
Bugsnax
Sackboy
Heavenly Bodies
Toem
Tony Hawk
Overcooked
Maquette
Concrete Genie
Olli Olli World
Yakuza Like a Dragon
Single player Action:
Plague Tale
Control
Superhot
Jedi Fallen Order
Little Nightmares
Mass Effect Remastered
Death’s Door
Endling
Minecraft Dungeons
Alan Wake
Shadow of Tomb Raider
Sony can I have more of THIS?
Re: PS5 Versions for Trails of Cold Steel 3 and 4 Coming 16th February
If it was $50 for both plus all DLC and PH3 did it then… maybe.
For now I am using my Steam Deck for most new 3rd party games. I would make exceptions for particularly excellent releases, graphically intense games, or games many family members want to play (couch coop etc).
Trails is all for me.
Re: US Retail Giant Best Buy Allegedly Binning Physical Media
@elfoam yeah maybe. I’m more concerned about streaming and always connected than downloaded vs physical but I don’t see a way to stop the market
Re: US Retail Giant Best Buy Allegedly Binning Physical Media
From my perspective on PS the digital experience is better. I don’t have to listen to the disk drive or get up to switch games. I am concerned about preservation though.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Honkai: Star Rail?
Downloaded, but not playing yet. So busy with other games that have endings.
Nothing against gachas esp how Genshin approached it.
Re: Don't Worry, You Can Still Upgrade the PS5 Slim's SSD
@Fyz306903 excellent question on power consumption and I want to know that too. MS has done a good job reducing the XSX power consumption over time. A smaller, cooler model that uses less electricity would be more compelling.
Re: PS5 Slim Officially Unveiled, Attachable Disc Drive, Launches November
Can we confirm it’s memory expandable? I feel pretty confident it’s there but didn’t see that in the specs.
Re: PlayStation's Push for Live Service Games Hasn't Been Going Smoothly
I am thrilled bc I want the opposite. I want more small weird single player games. I don’t have anything against live service, I just won’t play them.
Re: Trails of Cold Steel 3 and 4 Double Pack Coming to PS5 in Early 2024
Cool though when I rebuy them (I have Cold Steel 1-4 for PS4 ) it will be for Steam Deck.
Re: PS5 Deep Earth Collection Dazzles with New DualSense, Cover Plate Colours
Feels so early 2000s.
Re: Death Stranding, the PS5, PS4 Game, Is Coming Natively to iPhone 15 Pro
DS runs on a Steam Deck so not sure this is impressive.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2's PS5 Recreation of New York City Looks Ridiculous
@Max_the_German sure, but being able to run Ue5 does not mean it’s as performant as Ps5 anymore than being able to run Witcher 3 meant Switch had the same performance as Ps4. That’s the crucial context all the gaming sites left out. Moores Law just doesn’t work like that. A 2022 computer isn’t going to be as fast as a 2020 computer with 1/20th the electricity.
There are people who are desperate to believe that their game/system of choice is going to demonstrably the best choice in every category. And that’s a fools errand. And we should build a gaming community that celebrates games for different reasons.
I am so glad the board gaming community doesn’t demand the best packaging and design and rules and everything else they go toxic on social media.
These Spiderman 2 screenies are awesome.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2's PS5 Recreation of New York City Looks Ridiculous
@Beerheadgamer82 yep! some of the press reported it was running Matrix UE5 demo and people extrapolated from that. It’s frustrating bc the gaming press has little-to-no incentive to inform people.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2's PS5 Recreation of New York City Looks Ridiculous
@Beerheadgamer82 Switch 2 will be somewhere around the power of a Steam Deck, nowhere near PS5 or XSX — so don’t let gaming sites mislead you. It’s simply power — a 10 watt computer can’t beat a 200 watt computer. Yet.
HDR will matter on the inevitable OLED mode and it would be a win for a lot of people with nice tvs.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2's PS5 Recreation of New York City Looks Ridiculous
@Beerheadgamer82 HDR is something I have really missed on Switch.
Re: Sea of Stars Now at 250K Sales, Beats First Year Targets
Yay! I played part of the demo and plan on buying it once I have finished some of my backlog.
Re: PS4 JRPGs Trails of Cold Steel 3 and 4 Are Getting PS5 Versions, It Seems
Nope. I have ToCS 1-4 on my PS5 but I am switching new Trails purchases (Reverie, Kuro no Kiseki) to the Steam PH3 releases on my Steam Deck. My new PS5 purchases will primarily be for first party games, couch multiplayer, Ps+ offerings and Trails games are pretty ideal for portable mode.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Essential Games for September 2023?
I got a Steam Deck and with Playstation games moving to PC after one year and most of the Atlus/Falcom stuff going PC and/or multiplatform makes me less interested in the Playstation ecosystem. That said, I reup’d my Ps+ before the price hike and we’ll see how it goes. Over the past year I think I did quite well with PS+ (even with this terrible month) and I will hope for that to continue.
Re: PS5, PS4 Owners Are Understandably Irate with PS Plus Price Hike
🔥 Breaking: Consumers don’t like paying more. 🔥
Re: Despite Being on PS Plus Extra, Sea of Stars Tops 100k Sales in One Day
Going to buy. Drowning in great games this year.
Re: Final Fantasy 16 Producer Reckons One Gaming Platform Would Be Better for Everyone
Being provocative: Do you mean Unreal Engine?
Computing is going towards defining everything in code. Game platforms are on that trajectory as well. The game platforms devs are picking are UE or Unity etc. The differences between Sony and Microsoft and PC have never been smaller.
This is especially true for game developers that aren’t (1) pushing boundaries in terms of hardware power both small (not trying to run on a Raspberry Pi or Playdate) and large (not trying to get FF16 on Switch or pushing AAA path traced everything graphics) and aren’t interested in (2) special user interactions (the “standard” controller is fine no DDR pads or Guitar Hero gear or the Playdate crank).
Re: The Fantasy 6 Remake Talk Has Started Again
Terra-ble. Excellent pun, please no remake.
Re: Yes, All Those Awesome Marvel's Spider-Man 2 PS5 Accessories Are Getting Scalped
@Jacko11 I think the idea that all legitimate people who want these products need to be online to buy them within hours of the preorder going live is incredibly inflexible and wrong.
I don’t understand why this is so difficult for Sony. Put more digital defenses in to stop scalping or up your inventory. Protect your customers.
Re: Anticipated RPG Sea of Stars Goes Gold Ahead of PS Plus Extra Launch Next Month
What’s a Twitter account?
Re: Told You So! Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Really Wouldn't Have Worked on PS4
This was never a surprise or scandal except to people who were misled by the gaming press or some weird friend group.
But isn’t it FuN to believe and promote conspiracy theories? Truth is soooo boring. Doesn’t get clicks.
Re: PS5's Remote Play Portable Appears to Leak Online
I’m getting a Steam Deck. I keep reading articles about this thing to see when it makes sense. Still doesn’t
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PC Doesn't Actually Need an SSD
If the point of journalism is to inform or help people make better choices, this isn’t working.
People don’t read the full article so when your headline basically says “Sony lied to you” and then the article text is weirdly nuanced yeah, you’ve set people’s expectations all wrong. And what for? Engagement? Clicks? Is this fun? Meaningful? I just don’t understand.
Re: Oxenfree II: Lost Signals (PS5) - Solid Sequel Feels Finely Tuned
7 second load screens on PS5? Isn’t the game smaller than the system RAM? I wonder what’s causing the performance issues.
Re: SEGA Survey Suggests Persona 3 Reload to Retail for $69.99
Sounds like I will wait until a significant discount. I just finished P3P.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Essential Games for July 2023?
Excited about Alan Wake and Extinction.
Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender: Quest for Balance Bends the Elements on PS5, PS4 in 2023
I think choosing to recreate the show as a game is not a good play. You will never beat the show. Gotta try something else. Make the game as a prequel or maybe play in the world as a side character.
They would get more value out of putting their characters (Little Big Planet Avatar puppets?) in other games than making this.
So many choices! Not this one.
Re: Final Fantasy 16 Is Overheating and Crashing PS5 Consoles Completely
Playstation does what Ninten-don’t.
Just kidding I love my PS5, but seriously Sony, if this is true, this is a you problem. Brace yourself for an incoming stability improvements patch!
Re: Viral Hit Placid Plastic Duck Simulator Brings Sony's Tech Demo Full Circle on PS5, PS4
Their water is boring so no. I guess it needs the power of the Emotion Engine.
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for July 2023 Announced
Yay! I want Alan Wake and Endling.
Re: Morgana Gives Enemies of the Phantom Thieves Paws in Fresh Persona 5 Tactica Trailer
I’m following it but not planning to buy anytime soon. I’m much more interested in Metaphor which is being made by the P3-5 Director, Character designer, and composer.
Re: Over Half of Season Dev Scavengers Studio Laid Off
Also, this is being said here in different ways. Gamers have too many choices and combined with inflation this is bad news for new game makers.
I can’t imagine having to launch a new game in 2023 and compete with both free-to-play, Gamepass for $10-15, and all the games that have been made over the past 10 years. Make a building game better than Minecraft or cheaper! Make a farm game better than Stardew Valley or cheaper! And you have AAA award winning games going half price after a month. Sure Plague Tale launches at $60 but it’s $30 now. It’s crazy.
Re: Over Half of Season Dev Scavengers Studio Laid Off
Game was gorgeous but then I played the demo. I found traversal too slow and clunky and I genuinely didn’t enjoy the interaction model. I actually got lost in the demo and I really didn’t enjoy biking. I was really sad when it was over because I think they had some really good ideas here and it just needed more polish.
@Loftimus. That’s such a hater comment. There are so many more LGBT people than your made-up numbers suggest. And don’t make up rules for what people can enjoy. That’s so 1950.
Re: Square Enix Devs Pester Director Yoshinori Kitase About Remaking Final Fantasy 6 Constantly
Ew, no please don’t. Just make new games. If Square wants to make an uber Pixel Remaster.. sure though it’s fine as-is (Maybe fix the judder issues?).
Re: Preview: Eternights Puts Some Indie in Your Persona
I’m looking forward to this and I like supporting indies! It’s fine with me if the game has kink but it just needs to not be hateful (eg bodyshaming, anti queer) or creepy (eg age and consent issues).
The next games in this space I want to play are Trails into Reverie, this game, Tokyo Xanadu, and Metaphor. Maybe Xenoblade Chronicles.
Re: There's Growing Concern Over Persona Dev's Metaphor: ReFantazio Being an Xbox Exclusive
I feel like this article is a great example of the press influencing the populace and failing to own its role in that.
1. Ask Atlus directly.
2. Write an empathetic rant as an oped. “Atlus continues yanking around its fans.”
3. Do nothing. Write about something else.
All better options imo.
Re: Persona 3 Reload, Persona 5 Tactica Finally Confirmed for PS5, PS4 After Xbox Embargo Lifts
@Sil_Am maybe, but I would be very hesitant to use Twitter as a good source of data. It was always small and weird and now it’s smaller and weirder.
Re: Sorry, But Games Are Probably Going to Take Longer Than Ever to Make on PS5
And I continue to seek out games that take 4-20 hours to beat. Wholesome Direct is my favorite.
Re: Persona 5 Tactica Is Launching This Year, But No Mention of PS5, PS4 Yet
@turntSNACO shhh! Don’t jinx it! (Totally going to be Akechi or a tie-in to a different Atlus property)