WhoderMan

I think Rayman Origins Enhanced is included with Rayman Legends Retold.

So they shouldn't be 2 separate things as far as I know.

Kinda looking forward to giving this a try with some buddies. The same friends I played Space Marine 2 with. It's cool to have mature friends who can recognize different types of fun and quality. Lol

The whales that they are making money from are typically "lifestyle" games. The kind of games that some people are super into and it is their primary or even only game because it takes up so much time.

Things like Fortnite, Apex Legends, Warframe, Gacha Waifu games, Free-To-Play, World of Tanks (and spin-offs), Sports (Soccer, Football, Baseball), MMOs and of course, CoD and Battlefield.

If you typically play just one game on PS5, how likely are you to upgrade to an enormously expensive PS6 to play your lifestyle game with minimal noticeable improvements? We are hitting a realm of diminishing returns and lifestyle games need to prioritize the next annual release and/or just making new content vs. overhauling the whole thing for a new console.

I expect a ton of players are not going to rush to the PS6. Sony KNOWS this and will raise digital game prices and PSPlus costs to try to make up for lost investments we have already seen (Concord, Bungie, etc.) as well as investments in PSVR2, PS6 and a portable PS6.

More and more players will play elsewhere such as mobile devices they already own, PCs and Switch.

XBox is already doomed unless they make sone drastic changes to get customers.

Sony had a Golden Goose. But they are killing it due to a complete failure to understand why people like Playstation and consoles in general.

Well, I don't have to play the sequel. The first one had a fun demo and is waiting in my enormous backlog.

But I don't have to buy, play or support their subsequent lack of efforts and (even cringier) sexualizations.

I can still buy movies on 4K in cool packages, often with digital codes included. I can still buy Vinyl, Cassettes and CDs for music, some of which comes with a digital version on Amazon as well. I can still buy actual, physically printed books, which occasionally come with digital versions.

All of the physical stuff can be sold on a second hand market or passed on when I die.

The all digital future is a corporate hellscape for customers and consumers.

Screw Sony and screw the PS6.

Personally, I would LOVE to see the Saudis and Jared Kushner lose massive amounts of money on this. And if the lenders lose money too, that might be fine with me as well.

@johnedwin

You should look this up (I don't have exact details handy or I would provide them)...

I heard that Richard Garriott (Lord British) has gotten some of the rights back to the game. I can't remember exactly what but I think it was something oddly specific... like he had rights to the stories and characters but not the name Ultima. Something like that.

The ability to pass your licenses on after you pass on would be nice.

It should have a physical deluxe version that matches Remake and Rebirth.

Control was fantastic! Hopeful thatvthis is as well.

@Relaxations

As an example, for the past few years as physical releases have shrunk, I have been buying games at launch since they may sell out and be harder to buy later. Getting a physical copy of Evil West proved pretty difficult after it had been out for a while.

When Sony goes all digital, that "buy at launch" attitude goes away as unless I absolutely want to play something on release day. There will be very few games like that I want to playbon release day.

@TheSingularity

Wanting a corporation to harm its users' buying options (including yourself) is the truly ridiculous thing here.

Where is the evidence of this figure? What does it include (dlc only available digitally & old games on deep sale)?

RE Requiem sold out physically because they didn't print enough copies. Then people who wanted physical bought it digitally. So, companies are intentionally making fewer discs while also making digital copies the only way to get extra content.

You have to compare apples to apples. If you had a physical game with more than enough copies available and the exact same game/value proposition digitally, I have no doubt that the digital would outsell the physical, but by how much?

Right now, the corporations are providing massaged data specifically to mislead you into accepting the future that they want. I am severely disappointed in PushSquare for not looking into these figures before reporting on them. At the very least, report what the corporations say but don't put your own commentary on it if you aren't going to do the slightest bit of verification and fact finding.

Sony's next console is going to have a very tough time if the economy doesn't have a massive rebound. I expect Xbox and Sony to continue to shed players while PC and Nintendo grow. This is bad for PushSquare, but you all should be doing more to fight for the players than succumb to the whims of a corporation. I am very disappointed.

Hopefully, could still come out and be super cool. Do we know what WayForward's current projects(s) is/are?

I think the dlc codes for something by CDProjekt expired in 2077.

Fascinating that someone here would defend this. The bootlicking & sycophantism is outta control.

@Killionaire

Yes. I think that this will have cooperative only multiplayer and everyone needs their own MS Account if I remember correctly.

In 2001 you got multiplayer with your shooter. And a game on a disc. Now, you get a key on a disc (until there are no discs) and no multiplayer.

At least the price is kind of less than it was back then thanks to inflation.

I hope the backlash continues. I hate the idea of Sony removing choices. I like physical games and have also bought digitally. But if you trust Sony (or any corporation) that is foolish.

I don't see the PS6 doing well with the current and likely future, world economy.

I just bought The Sexy Brutale on a disc. It came with a soundtrack CD and a booklet. I wanna say $40. Obviously more than digital, but there is a market for this kind of thing, and a company can be profitable satistfying that market.

Sony has lied and manipulated data before to make their point. Whether this data is true, misleading or a flat out lie is irrelevant to Sony's intentions.

None of this matters compared to Sony's goals. They know that consoles will be losing players, not gaining them. They know that their next consoles will be ridiculously expensive and will sell poorly. They are going to fleece existing fans who stick with them as much as possible.

Get ready for prices to be generally higher for software and definitely look for a PS Plus price increase.

If Sony doesn't have physical discs, then I won't be there for PS6.

It's 40 bucks for 2 games I haven't played. That seems pretty good to me. (Here's hoping the disc contains both games.)

Sam's Club and Costco (in the US) charge for memberships but provide good prices in return. It sounds like Sony/Crunchyroll are gonna charge you a membership for the privelege of buying overpriced trash products labeled as "collectibles."

Customers shouldn't have to fight for consumer protections and rights, but it seems we do.

I will not be getting a PS6 if there are not going to be discs available for it. Sony's PSN store is a travesty for customers compared to other digital stores. Sony is also killing a lot of businesses and jobs with this decision.

Or, MS could just release an optional disc drive that plays OG XBox games all the way through to Series games. Plus DVDs, BluRays and maybe CDs. That seems a LOT simpler and would satisfy collectors a lot more.

They're still working on The Outer Worlds 2 DLC, right?

God of War Trilogy Remake probably won't be on disc. Boo, Sony!!!

Even if they release a game and ot reviews well, they can still be laid off.

Morale should continue to be low until management improves.

Good job, Brazil. I hope it works!!

I wish Frogwares nothing but the best and hope that they can continue to improve. Backed this one in crowdfunding.

The game industry is doing great, y'all.

A LOT of people will stick with current gen if the next gen continues to have diminishing returns on graphic improvements and innovations.

Same or similar games that look about the same and play about the same won't entice people to buy a $1000+ system.

If most of their money is made from live service games that are already on a PS5, how many of those players will want to upgrade to PS6? If the games they love aren't upgrading $1000+ worth for the next gen, then they won't.

Why would a company like Epic bother making a drastically improved version of Fortnite for PS6 when they make the same amount of money without doing that?

Watch live sevice games be the reason gamers don't need to upgrade to next gen. Lol

The PS6 will be very expensive. The Portable PS6 will also be expensive. Sony will wall up their Garden and PSN Store will be your main option for games. PSN is not particularly good or safe and has terrible consumer protections. PS Plus is required to play online (and an upgraded version is required to trial some games). PS Plus costs $80/year right now. But Sony will raise that price. In the past, when Sony raised the price of PS Plus I don't remember it improving in any way. Sony is not releasing exclusives very quickly. The money they invest in Live Service games will naturally be on PC as well since they require a large audience.

PC is high cost but kind of a pain at times. Has at least 3 places competing to sell you games (Steam, Epic and GOG). NO charge to play online. No subscriptions necessary for game trials. Much better customer service and protections (at least on Steam). Will probably have Microsoft "exclusives."

Compare the value proposition of a Nintendo Switch 2 vs. A PS6 and Portable PS6. Compare the graphics/performance, cost and utility of features. Compare exclusives and cost to buy products for the 2 different platform ecosystems.

For me, a Switch 2 will be in my future. I strongly suspect that a PC may be as well.

I think Sony's fanbase is gonna shrink and more people are going to game on PC and Nintendo.

Sony will respond by fleecing their remaining fans even more.

The thing is, the PS6 is gonna have a VERY difficult launch year. If angry customers like myself and others abandon them and the vast majority don't have the money to upgrade to PS6 or see value in it (so far it does not seem like a generational leap to me) then Sony's business will hurt. Then thebPS Plus cancellations and the tide turning where people who abandoned Playstation to go to PC proselytize their new platform.

Don't forget that if a console PS6 is about $1000 (or more) to get access to their "innovation" of a Portable unit what is that gonna cost?

The portable unit won't have cartridges or discs so it is all digital. Will they require constant online access to play games on your portable device?

What is the value proposition (cost, performance and utility) between a PS6 + PS6 Portable vs. just a Switch 2?

When I cancelled just a few days ago, I was offered 25% off another year. But keep in mind, normally it is about $80/year. The service hasn't improved... it has just gotten more expensive.

And they will raise the price again to get money from existing customers when PS6 fails to sell.

Well, I think that they still have 2 DLC expansions to put out for The Outer Worlds 2. Would be a shame if they are now half-baked. But I wouldn't put anything past Microsoft (or Sony).

Demos/Trials should not be part of a paid subscription, much less a PREMIUM version of that subscription.

Sony has done this before but add it to the pile of completely disrespecting their customers and fans.

Price, global economic realities for the majority of the world, incremental improvements rather than old-school generational leaps, loss of physical media and a "walled garden" approach to monopolize costs are going to ruin the launch of PS6 compared to launches of other Playstation Consoles.

Players around the world are gonna look at what PS6 costs and what it offers compared to a PS5 and/or Switch 2 that they already have or can get much cheaper.

And if the biggest money makers are still GTA, FIFA and Fortnite and you can play those just fine on older hardware...then why buy a PS6 at launch?

This launch will be toast. Sony will spin it. They will probably manufacture less and claim to sell out creating a false demand/narrative.

The numbers everyone loves to quote are intentionally skewed data. They include purchases for microtransactions in free-to-play titles and dlc purchases alongside full game purchases. Sony and every other digital purveyor take the data and present it to you in a way to make you say "gee golly whiz, I guess the humble, on-our-side giant corporation just didn't have any choice but to go all digital." What they really want is total price control.

Never forget that Sony has already experimented with different prices for different customers...

They are NOT our friends. They do NOT deserve loyalty.

If Sony can't or won't change course in time to address customer concerns then they can just lose business, right?

We do not have to care about a company that does not care about us.

Strange analogy, but if you love your partner and they suddenly try to take all the money in your joint account and all the power in your relationship... then you leave them before that can happen.

Sony wants ALL of the power in our dealings with them and ALL of the money from anything available on Playstation.

This is defeatist. Never ever stop pressuring them for their desire to make a walled garden marketplace. Never ever stop pressuring them to make a better online experience. Never ever stop pressuring them to make things that they charge for (like PS Plus and online play) have value for their cost.

Sony and Playstation are NOT your friend and do NOT deserve loyalty. Don't pay them if you want things to change.

I don't expect to buy a PS6 due to price, (probably) a lack of innovation, slow trickle of exclusive games, no physical ownership and a walled garden (virtual monopoly) on purchasing digital games.

The PS6 will not sell well at first. Price will be too high and incremental improvements will not be enough for many people. On top of that a loss of physical products and a crummy PSN Store experience (as listed in the article including consumer rights/protections).

But I bet the only thing Sony blames is the price and "Market Conditions."

The handheld unit could be fine without a disc drive.

Basically, you would put your disc in a Playstation device (like your PS5 or PS4) and connect it to your PSN account. Then you would be allotted a certain amount of time to play it digitally. Maybe 2 weeks to a month. You would re-verify the game when time runs out and you want to continue to play it on your handheld PS6

That is not perfect or ideal for many, but it is an easy enough workaround, I think.

Where do we go from here?

If Sony doesn't treat customers well, then we go away from Sony.

For me, it could be PC and Nintendo. Maybe Evercade.

Sony's news gives me less and less reason to use PS Plus. I barely use it anyway.

@Deadlyblack

Absolutely. PC has competition in the marketplace.

Sony wants an online monopoly of their ecosystem where you can't lend games, return games or pass on your library to anyone else when you die.

As the saying goes: "You will own nothing and be happy."

@Fyz306903

I haven't really used Steam but they seem more consumer friendly. They allow returns pretty easily and I think you can lend out digital games. On top of that, they have competition on PC with Epic and GOG.

Sony is working towards a closed ecosystem of digital sales that all go through PSN. Which means they track all of that data and will have no competition aside from physical sales of download codes (which will inevitably stop if they get their way). Which means digital sales will be less and less of a discount.

What are they counting as digital sales? Is every Fortnite microtransaction a digital sale? I mean, if you are going to talk about how much money live service games make and all of their sales are digital sales, then that is gonna skew the results.

Ah but will there be a disc version?

@Vertere

That would be ideal and could go some way to make me want a PS6, but it would be better if it had memory card slots and accepted UMD and Vita carts (I realize that this is a pipe dream that will never happen). A fully backwards compatible way to use the PS6 would at least be a nice goodbye to physical media (again, it won't happen).

Anyway, I just ordered a PS5 Disc Drive and will start shopping for a PS5 Pro. That may be my last Sony console.

Well, if there is no disc drive option for PS6 then PS5 will be my last console with Sony. Unless I find a PS5 Pro and a disc drive, then that will be my last.

There will still be physical games made by small boutique kinds of places for PS5 I assume. But that will die out over time.

My incentive to buy a digital only game at launch is 0. Maybe if it was multiplayer but that isn't my main interest.

So... if I can only get a game I want digitally, it is back to the backlog until that game goes on a deeeeep sale. And even then, I probably would just invest in a PC where there is far more digital competition for pricing. Sony just wants to hold a monopoly over game pricing and for that they can lose my business.

I have plenty of physical games to last now through retirement.