@S1ayeR74 I don't really care if you believe me or not. I got my preorder in with argos last September looking forward to seeing what the new machine could do, looking forward to what exclusives I would be playing in 2021. What do I get? The medium? Didn't even bother downloading. Maybe I'm missing out, was too busy playing all the games ps plus kept giving me and all the 3rd party games I was buying on ps5.
I'll admit that getting outriders day one was a brilliant move by MS. But do you really think they would have paid all that money to do that if they had exclusives of there own launching? Personally I think it was a great distraction from the fact they have no new games to launch. Which is also why they big up backwards compatibility so much, because they don't have anything else.
Maybe I should have been more clear on the 1st party line. What I should have said was exclusives. Reasons to own the console. Sony's first year line up - Demon Souls, bugsnax, astro, spiderman MM, Sackboy, Destruction Allstars, Returnal, R&C, deathloop, kena and hopefully HZD2. Yeah they are of vary quality and some played on ps4 but at least there is choice.
I'm sure one day MS will start launching lots of new exclusive games onto gamepass and the value will be great. But for me it's not there at the moment.
@TrolleyProblems I'm very pleased for you and your enjoyment of the series x. I'll agree its a very powerful system. Whilst quick resume is good(when it works probably) I don't really use it as I just play one game at a time. The only real advantage it has over the ps5 is the value of gamepass. Its still massively lacking in its 1st party gaming, has no reason to justify the upgrade from a one x(which I did). I dislike the new series x controller so much (d pad is so clicky) that when I do play I use my old xbox one controllers. Whereas the dualsense is a massive improvement over the dualshock. When you play something like WR9 and you can feel the ABS kick in on the left trigger, that your engine is damaged just by the changes in the right trigger. Loose gravel hitting the bottom of the car can be felt by the haptic, and heard through the speaker. These things add so much to the game. And that's not the only game to use it really well. Then I go back to Forza H4 (my favourite driving game) and it feels just flat compared. Anyway I just enjoy playing good games, and I look forward to when xbox starts delivering on all its promises. But it still has a lot to prove.
@S1ayeR74 I have a series x sat next to my ps5. And I have been subscribed to gamepass ultimate for over a year and a half. I know exactly what it offers. Fact remains that xbox has had a terrible 1st party launch lineup, and this looks set to continue upto the end of the year until halo releases. Unless they surprise us. Whereas Sony's first year is very healthy. Gamepass is great value, especially if you like playing loads of old games with better fps. And I'm sure in the future when they start dropping games from all their studios it will get even better. But for now my series x just feels like a slightly more powerful one x with a boring controller and no innovation.
@Shygamer your not winding any one up mate. You just make yourself look very very sad. These are billion dollar companies that don't care about any of us. You shilling for one over the other is really rather funny. But hey if it makes your warm inside and your mums basement look a bit brighter, you do you.
@Shygamer I must be mate, I bought a series x day one! I have no loyalty to any piece of plastic that's sat under my TV. I just like playing great games. Will be nice when xbox start making them again!
@Shygamer you know what's anti consumer? Releasing a £450 next gen console with no new 1st party exclusive games to play on it! Having such a bare first year you have to pay loads of money to get 3rd party games day one just to give your players something to play! Yes gamepass is great value, but not for next gen gaming it isn't! I'll take Sony's new £70 games over playing the same old games with faster fps any day. And I'm sure Sony will do just fine without your money.
@blinx01 maybe I was being silly, but when I preordered my series x last September I really thought they would have games launching this year that would take advantage of it. We could amazingly get to the point of it's year anniversary in November with the only real big release being the medium! Can you imagine the flack Sony would get for that. But MS are getting away with it because of gamepass and BC. In comparison, Sony's first year line up could be the best it's ever had by November but it's being dwarfed by constant bad press (some of its own making). I reckon your right, from 2022 MS have the potential to deliver a constant stream of games. Hopefully of great quality too. I hear what your saying about the £70. It Did surprise me that were now paying $97 for new games here in the UK. I managed to preorder returnal for £64 and I'm hoping it's worth it.
@blinx01 I can send you a picture and the receipt if you like. Not that I'm bothered if you don't believe me. I bought both next gen machines hoping for great exclusives this year. To play the next great games on the best machines at launch. Hoping that MS we're going to blow me away with a showcase and release schedule. But what did I get? Oh it plays all your old games better, and hey we've bought Bethesda so have all their old games too. I love Forza Horizon 4, was hoping for something on the next one. Hoping for any new games from them really! Meanwhile I have Returnal, deathloop, R&C, kena and hopefully HZD2 to look forward too. Only game I've played on my series x this year is Desperados 3 (great game).
I think Sony really needs to work on its PR and getting the message right for this gen and less time worrying what gamepass is doing. Amazes me all the great press and even utubers falling over themselves about how brilliant MS and gamepass is and how backwards compatibility is so awesome. It completely deflects from the one issue MS has at the moment. No 1st games. Sony has some great exclusive games coming in the next few months whilst xbox has none. But that seems to not matter to a lot of the press.
@Dezzy70 strange how the PS5 was the biggest selling console in the UK in February then? That its the fastest selling console in history? Amazon uk were rumoured to have had 45k the other week. They are making and selling more than both models of xbox. What are you on about with the quality of life and manufacturing? Did you not see the tear down? Its all on one board? And yes I've had a few crashes on it and resets, but I've had that on my series x too. You get that with first gen machines.
@Shygamer I also bought a series x but its gathering dust whilst I wait for the 1st party games to launch! All it is at the moment is a backwards compatibility machine. Which I have no interest in. Wish I'd have stayed with my one x. Where as my PS5 is used everyday. I buy all the 3rd party games on it because of the dual sense. The series x controller feels like a cheap toy and lifeless after adaptive triggers and haptics. Sony have a list of exclusives launching this year and what do MS have? A generic boring looking Halo that looks like it hasnt progressed in years. Oh and your HD comparison doesn't really hold water now that developers are starting to use kraken. Control UE is 40% smaller on PS5. More and more developers will start using it. And please don't start with the t flops crap. That's just a number to please small children. These machines are a lot more than that.
@Athrum returnal has no dlc or micro transactions that we know of, or R&C so it is a valid point. And returnals sales may not be in the many millions. Yes I know that some of these companies are making big profits but the fact remains the big AAA games cost more to makeand take longer. Everything else in life has gone up during the years but games have mostly stayed the same price for over 15 years. They were going to go up eventually.
I think the game looks great, managed to preorder it for £64. Am I happy about that, no(especially as that's 90 odd dollars). But I understand that these games today cost a lot more to make than they used to. The average game when the ps3 launched in 2006 cost $60. Everyone has just got used to paying that, but it had to go up sometime. And with inflation that $60 cost to you back then would be more than 70.
Rd2 cost $370m to $540m with marketing costs. Rd1 cost $80-$100m. The average game now apparently costs between $60-$100 million just to make. The studios are bigger than ever, more staff making these games (minimum wage in 2000 £3.60, 2020 £8.91. And I'm sure these developers are on a lot more than that and scale accordingly.
The games are bigger, more detailed and take a lot more programming than ever before. (I'm not saying they're better though). That costs money.
But on the other side of the coin, they have to make sure that the quality is there, that your going to be getting value for money. That charging the extra for returnal is worth the money! We'll it be? Who knows till it comes out! I hope so. I think all these developers/studios are watching what happens with these $70 games. Will be interesting to see the sales for the game.
@SegataSanshiro I was sceptical too before I played games like WR9, FIFA, COD, sackboy and Astro. Its one of the reasons I'm excited for psvr2. Like you say, we all like different things.
@BrainHacker I'm not sure if they can, depends on the contract Sony signed. I'm pretty sure if they could launch deathloop on gamepass PC and x cloud they would be announcing it from the roof tops to add to Sony's PR nightmare they're having at the moment.
@SegataSanshiro I hear what your saying, and I agree it's good that we all like different things. Dualsense is now my favourite controller of all time and the immersion it adds to games is why I buy all the 3rd party games that use it on my PS5. I'm probably just regretting getting the series x and wish I had stayed with my one x for now as it just doesn't add much when your actually playing the games. Whereas the ps5 does. But I'm sure in the coming years if they get the quality vs quantity right that will change and Sony will have some very stiff competition. Which at the end of the day we all want because we should all benefit.
@SegataSanshiro though I do agree with you that gamepass is a good deal, I wouldn't go as far as saying it's an amazing deal. It could be in the future if/when they release brilliant 1st party games from all their studios(and don't raise the price too high) but at the moment for me it's a bit flat. I'm lucky enough to have a series x sat next to a PS5, but it only really gets turned on when my kids want to play minecraft or TABS. I did enjoy desperados 3 on the service but most of the others I've either played or have no interest in(outriders demo was crap). I have no interest in 360 games, I bought next gen consoles to play next gen games. And I think a lot of the big gamepass PR talk lately is to distract from the fact they have no 1st party games launching anytime soon. They wouldn't have paid for outriders if they did. It's funny that MS is making all these headlines when Sony have 3 big next gen console exclusives launching in the next 3 months. Sony's PR team need firing. But I do agree that gamepass is better than psnow at the moment, but PSPlus has kept me entertained for the last 3 months. And on a side note, for me personally playing on the series x controller(MS's biggest mistake) after using the dualsense just feels lifeless.
@everynowandben well I hope you are right. Time will tell eh, if MS keeps to the same number of studios it has now and just tries to deliver great games on its service then it will be great competition for Sony and Nintendo. But if in the next few years they start buying up even more studios and developers and take their games away from the other two then it becomes a problem.
@Oscarjpc strange, my 2 controllers that have hundreds of hours of usage are still working perfectly well 4 months later. There are probably 10 to 20 million dualsenses in the wild, it's expected that several thousand would have problems. Nobody apart from Sony know the true numbers.
@Ken_Kaniff I agree that MS are trying to take over the market, and they have the deep pockets to do it. It concerns me what the gaming space we obviously all love will look like in the years to come if they do. But on the exclusives front, MS have still yet to deliver great 1st party games of the quality that Sony does. They have bought all these studios but they to show that they can deliver. It will be very interesting to see the quantity vs quality that gamepass will have to juggle in the years ahead. Yes I agree that Sony do need to make some moves that show they are listening. But id rather have Sony's studios than microsofts.
@everynowandben your assuming that there will be competition left to go to. I think it's obvious that MS are in this for the long game, they have deep pockets and haven't stopped spending yet by all accounts. Healthy competition is great, heck I have an xbox sat next to my ps5 so I want them to compete. But what happens if they buy ubisoft next and take all those games away. Then go after another big developer like Activision? Competition then becomes a monopoly which Sony couldn't compete with, then gaming would change completely. And not in a good way.
@Ken_Kaniff I'm one of the unwise ones then, because I love my PS5 and the difference between the dualsense and the dual shock is night and day. I would never go back to my Pro now. Yeah GPU is great value but I hardly turn my series x on (thought outriders was crap) because all its good for at the mo is backwards compatibility. Yes I'm sure in the years to come MS will start dropping big new games on it, but in the mean time I'll be enjoying returnal, deathloop and R&C in the next 3 months.
Loved this game when I first played it. Its easily a 9 out of 10 for me. Interesting story, fun gameplay and a great lead character. And the hordes are some of the best gaming I've experienced. First time you wipe one out is a great feeling. I part exchanged it a while ago, so happy to get it next week and I'll probably play through it again on my PS5.
Another great month for me, and I've played and beaten Days gone ages OK. Pleased for people who haven't played it yet, such a good game. And we're getting a brand new PS5 game day one, it's not something I would have bought but I'm going to give it a try. The last 3 months have been tremendous value, so much so that my xbox has hardly been turned on.
Really looking forward to playing this. Seems like they have tried to be very creative with this game and give the player a unique experience. Whether or not its worth the money will always come down to the individual, me personally, I will get it day one.
@blinx01 I'd be really surprised (and happy) if psvr2 is below 350 to be honest. They are on about higher resolutions and bigger fov, plus all the other tech(eye tracking) they might to add. Can't see that being cheap.
Really excited to try these out, I love the dualsense so think they will add a lot to the games. I have a PC setup with this type of tracking and for the most part it's great. My one concern would be what type of batteries they go for, internal or AA. Because my PC controllers that are AA, eat through them really quickly and they don't have half the tech of these controllers.
Really generous, never played the HZD dlc so looking forward to that. Going to claim all the vr games and hope psvr2 will be backwards compatible, as I intend to get it when it releases.
@Hypnotoad107 I agree that gamepass is brilliant value for money (at the moment) and gives you choice, I subscribe myself. But what @Exlee300p and @BadPlayerOne are maybe saying is that in the long run it could hurt gaming if MS continue on their current course unchecked. MS had a NET income of 42billion last year, they are a trillion dollar company. Yes Sony have bought developers before but not on the scale or consequence of the Bethesda deal. Imagine if MS buy ubisoft and take 2 next. What if they went mental and bought EA and took all the sports games, battlefield games away from Sony players. The casual gamers (which are the majority) would steer massively to the green side. And you say that streaming TV is the future and the content is better, but that has a lot of competition, Netflix, Amazon, Disney, Sky in my country and many others. If MS got too big, had all the biggest games who would keep them honest? My bet would be prices go up and quality would go down. But hey, hopefully regulation would stop them getting a monopoly and destroying the thing we all love, gaming.
@Fenbops it's a small subscription fee now, but If MS keep going the way they are and corner most of the market then how long do you think it will stay like that? If they buy even more studios and developers! I bet in the years to come that small fee could end up £30 a month or more. And I say this as gamepass subscriber. Healthy competition is good, a monopoly would ruin gaming.
Thought the demo was OK but not up to something of the division 2's quality. Way too many cut scenes for me. Was thinking of getting it when it goes on sale cheap. MS are certainly throwing their money around at the mo. In one way I think it's good because it gives Sony some very strong competition, which hopefully we as PlayStation owners benefit from with better services(I think psplus shows the effects already). But I do wonder what MS's end game is, how far they are willing to spend. They keep buying more studios, more games for gamepass, effectively try and kill the competition. Then when they have the market they can charge what they like for gamepass and if you want to play most of the games you'll have to pay it.
My favourite game of last year. Beautiful to look at, great fun combat, interesting story and some memorable side missions. The trophy system always surprises me. On WRC9 the only 7.9% have driven more than 500km which you'd do in your second season. Only 11.3% have reached level 20 which doesn't take too long either.
@Vyns it will be very interesting to see the quality of the games from all these studios they've bought, not just Bethesda. One thing I will say with Sony is that their games don't release until they are ready(mostly 🙂). Whereas MS have to start delivering games and regulary at some point to keep gamepass the great value it is. Also your other post, ive never paid £12 a month for gamepass, always get deals from different retailers online. And they are probably counting the people who do the £1 offer. Be interesting to know the amount that are subscribing monthly.
The last game of theirs I really enjoyed was Wolfenstein New Order, but the series has gone down hill since then. I have both systems, and 20 of their games dropped on gamepass yesterday and I haven't installed a single one. I believe this is a blow to Sony, but we have yet to see the quality of all these studios under MS. Are they given time to breath or forced out to keep gamepass relevant. Time will tell. I'm still very excited for the games Sony has coming out for the PS5. Plus i think a lot of people don't realise that they are trying to have the gamepass app on new TVs by the end of this year. As the streaming quality gets better, all you'll need is a controller, app on your TV and an active subscription and you'll be away. MS don't care if you have their box under your TV, they just want your subscription.
I think the worst thing Sony could do is go out and start panic buying studios, making them look desperate. Yes I wish they were more open about the state of the PS5 and the games going forward. But as things stand right now, they have a great machine that they can't make fast enough to supply demand, some standout games coming in the next 12 months and a loyal following created by making some of the best games of the last 10 years. Yes buying Bethesda is a big move by MS, but they have still to show they can make GOTY games, quality games that push gaming forward. Their problem is they need to keep putting a constant flow of new games on gamepass to keep it relevant, will it become quantity over quality? Will they give the developers at these studios the time they need. Only time will tell. I think it will be good for Sony in the long run, they need a strong competitor to keep them honest. Oh and for me personally, I love my PS5. Playing games with the dualsense makes playing games on my xbox seem flat. The dualsense is definitely not a gimmick. And with PSplus lately, I think Sony are doing just fine.
@Ken_Kaniff we can only hope that at some point regulators will step in and stop MS getting a monopoly. Will also be interesting to see the quality of the games they put out, as to keep gamepass attractive they need to keep putting new games on constantly. Quantity over quality wouldn't be good. I know this deal takes away some potentially great games from PS, but I don't think it's the end of the world. Now if they bought ea and took all the sports titles away, or Activision and made COD exclusive then that would be a game changer.
@Ken_Kaniff oh and microsoft had to buy these studios because they were so far behind. Last gen until gamepass it was a disaster for them. I hope they don't buy too many more because one company owning all the best studios would be bad for all us gamers.
@Ken_Kaniff I know a lot of gamers that just want a box under the TV, they have no interest in having a PC and all that comes with that. Consoles sell because they are simple. You really think Sony didn't look into it and decide it wouldn't hurt the brand? I don't care if some PC gamer is playing a game I beat 2 years ago that's on psplus now. And yes it could be bad for the industry as a whole if MS keep buying game developers, but they have a massive bank account to do that, Sony do not. The worst thing Sony could do right now is try and buy lots of studios and look like they are panicking. They have a great machine and massive Ip's with a proven track record. MS have still got to show what they can do with all these studios(and I say this as an xbox owner). Competition is going to get fierce, but I'd rather have Sony's studios with the games they're put out these last few years than Microsofts.
@Ken_Kaniff Sony is porting their old games that don't generate much income anymore into a massive player base! Great financial business sense. Also puts the PlayStation brand out there. I should imagine the average console user doesn't want a gaming pc, so this won't effect them. Plus a lot of people won't want to wait 2 years to play the next GOW or HZD2. Yes MS buying Bethesda is a big power move, but it's hardly the end of the world. Just gives Sony even greater competition and will push them harder.
@Deanster101 you'll have great fun with the Pro, it's a brilliant machine. Plenty of amazing games to play. But for me the PS5 is more than just a bit faster and prettier. The biggest thing it brings is the dualsense, just adds so much to games. Playing WR9 you know when you have engine damage because the right trigger changes. Going over loose gravel you can feel it hitting the car. COD with the different feeling weapons, Fifa you can tell when a player is tired just by the trigger. Other games you can feel the footsteps when your characters walk. I really didn't like the dualshock 4, much preferred the xbox one controller but Sony knocked it out of the park with this one. I also have a series x but I'm buying all the 3rd party games on the ps5 because of the dualsense. And playing spiderman MM at 60fps with RT never gets old. Control is loads better than when I played it on my Pro. And with returnal, deathloop and R&C around the corner I have no regrets about being an early adopter.
@Ponykiller01 they'll only be "tears" if microsoft actually start delivering great games again. Will be interesting to see the quality Bethesda puts out in the next few years, whether MS actually makes a difference and gets them back to where they were 10 years ago. I hope they get the time needed to produce great games and not just game fodder to keep gamepass relevant. Oh and I say this as someone who owns both machines.
@LordSteev yes your correct on Doom, which shows that they themselves haven't made a great game in a while. I think fallout 76 showed which direction they wanted to head in but that back fired. Hopefully they do put all their talents into starfield and get back to where they were.
@LordSteev I would agree that Bethesda were one of the great studios, made brilliant games that other developers could only wish for. But personally apart from Doom, their output over the last few years has been very poor. Whether they can get back to their best with MS in charge remains to be seen, I hope they do. I think we'll know when Starfield drops.
@GREGORIAN I didn't mention the 2 second game. My thoughts are on the first game only. Yes Ellie is a strong and capable child, but the fireflies didn't give her the choice. Didn't speak to her, give her a chance to do what she wanted. No they were just going to murder her in cold blood. They were the bad guys and Joel had every reason to do what he did. And who cares what sexuality a person is? That's got nothing to do with the story. Bad writing is bad writing. They wrote a very weak story trying to justify their agenda and the main stream media lapped it up. But IGN Japan said it best "its a story about right and wrong told by people who always think their right". And you bringing up race just shows where your head is at.
@IonMagus most of those games have no dates or even years. And yes I'm looking forward to playing them when they do come out. But Sony will have more games coming too I'm sure. They know they need to keep the momentum up, PlayStation is their biggest cash cow. At the end of the day none of us know what the future holds, whether this deal changes things or not. I'm sure both billion dollar companies will be fine.
@IonMagus Switch came out 4 years ago and the ps4 carried on selling extremely well, Nintendos great exclusives didn't change that. And yes MS have bought lots of studios, but what have got to show for that? They are probably years away from any big releases, and they still have to show the quality when they do! And the back compat angle means nothing to me, I didn't buy a ps5 and series x to play old games, I want new experiences. The whole back compat line is smoke and mirrors from MS because they had no new games for the systems at launch. In the next year Sony have ratchet and clank, hzd2, GOW and gt7. Plus other great looking exclusives. If you really think they don't stand up against the others then maybe your on the wrong site. And I have a feeling psvr2 could be something special that the others don't offer.
@IonMagus during last gen when Sony we're very strong and sold 116 million ps4s I don't remember too many people saying Sony need to buy more studios, they just have so few of them!!!! MS needed this acquisition to make their brand stronger, to make gamepass stronger. Whether they turn out system seller after system seller remains to be seen. Sony will just keep doing what they're doing and people can vote with their wallets.
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@S1ayeR74 I don't really care if you believe me or not. I got my preorder in with argos last September looking forward to seeing what the new machine could do, looking forward to what exclusives I would be playing in 2021. What do I get? The medium? Didn't even bother downloading. Maybe I'm missing out, was too busy playing all the games ps plus kept giving me and all the 3rd party games I was buying on ps5.
I'll admit that getting outriders day one was a brilliant move by MS. But do you really think they would have paid all that money to do that if they had exclusives of there own launching? Personally I think it was a great distraction from the fact they have no new games to launch. Which is also why they big up backwards compatibility so much, because they don't have anything else.
Maybe I should have been more clear on the 1st party line. What I should have said was exclusives. Reasons to own the console. Sony's first year line up - Demon Souls, bugsnax, astro, spiderman MM, Sackboy, Destruction Allstars, Returnal, R&C, deathloop, kena and hopefully HZD2. Yeah they are of vary quality and some played on ps4 but at least there is choice.
I'm sure one day MS will start launching lots of new exclusive games onto gamepass and the value will be great. But for me it's not there at the moment.
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@TrolleyProblems I'm very pleased for you and your enjoyment of the series x. I'll agree its a very powerful system. Whilst quick resume is good(when it works probably) I don't really use it as I just play one game at a time.
The only real advantage it has over the ps5 is the value of gamepass. Its still massively lacking in its 1st party gaming, has no reason to justify the upgrade from a one x(which I did).
I dislike the new series x controller so much (d pad is so clicky) that when I do play I use my old xbox one controllers. Whereas the dualsense is a massive improvement over the dualshock. When you play something like WR9 and you can feel the ABS kick in on the left trigger, that your engine is damaged just by the changes in the right trigger. Loose gravel hitting the bottom of the car can be felt by the haptic, and heard through the speaker. These things add so much to the game. And that's not the only game to use it really well. Then I go back to Forza H4 (my favourite driving game) and it feels just flat compared.
Anyway I just enjoy playing good games, and I look forward to when xbox starts delivering on all its promises. But it still has a lot to prove.
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@S1ayeR74 I have a series x sat next to my ps5. And I have been subscribed to gamepass ultimate for over a year and a half. I know exactly what it offers. Fact remains that xbox has had a terrible 1st party launch lineup, and this looks set to continue upto the end of the year until halo releases. Unless they surprise us. Whereas Sony's first year is very healthy.
Gamepass is great value, especially if you like playing loads of old games with better fps. And I'm sure in the future when they start dropping games from all their studios it will get even better.
But for now my series x just feels like a slightly more powerful one x with a boring controller and no innovation.
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@Shygamer your not winding any one up mate. You just make yourself look very very sad. These are billion dollar companies that don't care about any of us. You shilling for one over the other is really rather funny.
But hey if it makes your warm inside and your mums basement look a bit brighter, you do you.
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@Shygamer I must be mate, I bought a series x day one! I have no loyalty to any piece of plastic that's sat under my TV. I just like playing great games. Will be nice when xbox start making them again!
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@Shygamer you know what's anti consumer? Releasing a £450 next gen console with no new 1st party exclusive games to play on it! Having such a bare first year you have to pay loads of money to get 3rd party games day one just to give your players something to play!
Yes gamepass is great value, but not for next gen gaming it isn't!
I'll take Sony's new £70 games over playing the same old games with faster fps any day.
And I'm sure Sony will do just fine without your money.
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@blinx01 maybe I was being silly, but when I preordered my series x last September I really thought they would have games launching this year that would take advantage of it. We could amazingly get to the point of it's year anniversary in November with the only real big release being the medium! Can you imagine the flack Sony would get for that. But MS are getting away with it because of gamepass and BC.
In comparison, Sony's first year line up could be the best it's ever had by November but it's being dwarfed by constant bad press (some of its own making).
I reckon your right, from 2022 MS have the potential to deliver a constant stream of games. Hopefully of great quality too.
I hear what your saying about the £70. It Did surprise me that were now paying $97 for new games here in the UK. I managed to preorder returnal for £64 and I'm hoping it's worth it.
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@blinx01 I can send you a picture and the receipt if you like. Not that I'm bothered if you don't believe me. I bought both next gen machines hoping for great exclusives this year. To play the next great games on the best machines at launch. Hoping that MS we're going to blow me away with a showcase and release schedule. But what did I get? Oh it plays all your old games better, and hey we've bought Bethesda so have all their old games too. I love Forza Horizon 4, was hoping for something on the next one. Hoping for any new games from them really!
Meanwhile I have Returnal, deathloop, R&C, kena and hopefully HZD2 to look forward too.
Only game I've played on my series x this year is Desperados 3 (great game).
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I think Sony really needs to work on its PR and getting the message right for this gen and less time worrying what gamepass is doing.
Amazes me all the great press and even utubers falling over themselves about how brilliant MS and gamepass is and how backwards compatibility is so awesome. It completely deflects from the one issue MS has at the moment. No 1st games.
Sony has some great exclusive games coming in the next few months whilst xbox has none. But that seems to not matter to a lot of the press.
Re: Poll: Is PlayStation Losing Ground to Xbox?
@Dezzy70 strange how the PS5 was the biggest selling console in the UK in February then? That its the fastest selling console in history? Amazon uk were rumoured to have had 45k the other week. They are making and selling more than both models of xbox.
What are you on about with the quality of life and manufacturing? Did you not see the tear down? Its all on one board? And yes I've had a few crashes on it and resets, but I've had that on my series x too. You get that with first gen machines.
Re: Poll: Is PlayStation Losing Ground to Xbox?
@Shygamer I also bought a series x but its gathering dust whilst I wait for the 1st party games to launch! All it is at the moment is a backwards compatibility machine. Which I have no interest in. Wish I'd have stayed with my one x. Where as my PS5 is used everyday. I buy all the 3rd party games on it because of the dual sense. The series x controller feels like a cheap toy and lifeless after adaptive triggers and haptics.
Sony have a list of exclusives launching this year and what do MS have? A generic boring looking Halo that looks like it hasnt progressed in years.
Oh and your HD comparison doesn't really hold water now that developers are starting to use kraken. Control UE is 40% smaller on PS5. More and more developers will start using it.
And please don't start with the t flops crap. That's just a number to please small children. These machines are a lot more than that.
Re: PS5 Exclusive Survival Game Abandoned Borders on Photorealism
Yeah that voice over was awful, but those were some seriously good looking visuals. Looking forward to seeing some actual decent gameplay footage.
Re: Returnal Gets New PS5 Gameplay Footage in Another Housemarque Dev Diary
@Athrum returnal has no dlc or micro transactions that we know of, or R&C so it is a valid point. And returnals sales may not be in the many millions.
Yes I know that some of these companies are making big profits but the fact remains the big AAA games cost more to makeand take longer.
Everything else in life has gone up during the years but games have mostly stayed the same price for over 15 years. They were going to go up eventually.
Re: Returnal Gets New PS5 Gameplay Footage in Another Housemarque Dev Diary
I think the game looks great, managed to preorder it for £64. Am I happy about that, no(especially as that's 90 odd dollars). But I understand that these games today cost a lot more to make than they used to.
The average game when the ps3 launched in 2006 cost $60. Everyone has just got used to paying that, but it had to go up sometime. And with inflation that $60 cost to you back then would be more than 70.
Rd2 cost $370m to $540m with marketing costs. Rd1 cost $80-$100m.
The average game now apparently costs between $60-$100 million just to make.
The studios are bigger than ever, more staff making these games (minimum wage in 2000 £3.60, 2020 £8.91. And I'm sure these developers are on a lot more than that and scale accordingly.
The games are bigger, more detailed and take a lot more programming than ever before. (I'm not saying they're better though). That costs money.
But on the other side of the coin, they have to make sure that the quality is there, that your going to be getting value for money. That charging the extra for returnal is worth the money! We'll it be? Who knows till it comes out! I hope so. I think all these developers/studios are watching what happens with these $70 games. Will be interesting to see the sales for the game.
Re: PS Now April 2021 Update Includes Marvel's Avengers and Borderlands 3
@BrainHacker will be interesting to see what happens. We'll know in just over a month what the state of play is with deathloop.
Re: PS Now April 2021 Update Includes Marvel's Avengers and Borderlands 3
@SegataSanshiro I was sceptical too before I played games like WR9, FIFA, COD, sackboy and Astro. Its one of the reasons I'm excited for psvr2. Like you say, we all like different things.
Re: PS Now April 2021 Update Includes Marvel's Avengers and Borderlands 3
@BrainHacker I'm not sure if they can, depends on the contract Sony signed. I'm pretty sure if they could launch deathloop on gamepass PC and x cloud they would be announcing it from the roof tops to add to Sony's PR nightmare they're having at the moment.
Re: PS Now April 2021 Update Includes Marvel's Avengers and Borderlands 3
@SegataSanshiro I hear what your saying, and I agree it's good that we all like different things. Dualsense is now my favourite controller of all time and the immersion it adds to games is why I buy all the 3rd party games that use it on my PS5. I'm probably just regretting getting the series x and wish I had stayed with my one x for now as it just doesn't add much when your actually playing the games. Whereas the ps5 does.
But I'm sure in the coming years if they get the quality vs quantity right that will change and Sony will have some very stiff competition. Which at the end of the day we all want because we should all benefit.
Re: PS Now April 2021 Update Includes Marvel's Avengers and Borderlands 3
@SegataSanshiro though I do agree with you that gamepass is a good deal, I wouldn't go as far as saying it's an amazing deal. It could be in the future if/when they release brilliant 1st party games from all their studios(and don't raise the price too high) but at the moment for me it's a bit flat. I'm lucky enough to have a series x sat next to a PS5, but it only really gets turned on when my kids want to play minecraft or TABS. I did enjoy desperados 3 on the service but most of the others I've either played or have no interest in(outriders demo was crap). I have no interest in 360 games, I bought next gen consoles to play next gen games. And I think a lot of the big gamepass PR talk lately is to distract from the fact they have no 1st party games launching anytime soon. They wouldn't have paid for outriders if they did. It's funny that MS is making all these headlines when Sony have 3 big next gen console exclusives launching in the next 3 months. Sony's PR team need firing.
But I do agree that gamepass is better than psnow at the moment, but PSPlus has kept me entertained for the last 3 months. And on a side note, for me personally playing on the series x controller(MS's biggest mistake) after using the dualsense just feels lifeless.
Re: Reaction: Sony Said Xbox Game Pass Isn't Sustainable, Then Released One of Its Tentpole Titles into the Service Anyway
@everynowandben well I hope you are right. Time will tell eh, if MS keeps to the same number of studios it has now and just tries to deliver great games on its service then it will be great competition for Sony and Nintendo. But if in the next few years they start buying up even more studios and developers and take their games away from the other two then it becomes a problem.
Re: Reaction: Sony Said Xbox Game Pass Isn't Sustainable, Then Released One of Its Tentpole Titles into the Service Anyway
@Oscarjpc strange, my 2 controllers that have hundreds of hours of usage are still working perfectly well 4 months later. There are probably 10 to 20 million dualsenses in the wild, it's expected that several thousand would have problems. Nobody apart from Sony know the true numbers.
Re: Reaction: Sony Said Xbox Game Pass Isn't Sustainable, Then Released One of Its Tentpole Titles into the Service Anyway
@Ken_Kaniff I agree that MS are trying to take over the market, and they have the deep pockets to do it. It concerns me what the gaming space we obviously all love will look like in the years to come if they do. But on the exclusives front, MS have still yet to deliver great 1st party games of the quality that Sony does. They have bought all these studios but they to show that they can deliver. It will be very interesting to see the quantity vs quality that gamepass will have to juggle in the years ahead.
Yes I agree that Sony do need to make some moves that show they are listening. But id rather have Sony's studios than microsofts.
Re: Reaction: Sony Said Xbox Game Pass Isn't Sustainable, Then Released One of Its Tentpole Titles into the Service Anyway
@everynowandben your assuming that there will be competition left to go to. I think it's obvious that MS are in this for the long game, they have deep pockets and haven't stopped spending yet by all accounts. Healthy competition is great, heck I have an xbox sat next to my ps5 so I want them to compete. But what happens if they buy ubisoft next and take all those games away. Then go after another big developer like Activision? Competition then becomes a monopoly which Sony couldn't compete with, then gaming would change completely. And not in a good way.
Re: Reaction: Sony Said Xbox Game Pass Isn't Sustainable, Then Released One of Its Tentpole Titles into the Service Anyway
@Ken_Kaniff I'm one of the unwise ones then, because I love my PS5 and the difference between the dualsense and the dual shock is night and day. I would never go back to my Pro now. Yeah GPU is great value but I hardly turn my series x on (thought outriders was crap) because all its good for at the mo is backwards compatibility. Yes I'm sure in the years to come MS will start dropping big new games on it, but in the mean time I'll be enjoying returnal, deathloop and R&C in the next 3 months.
Re: Days Gone - Open World Comfort Food with a Survival Horror Spin
Loved this game when I first played it. Its easily a 9 out of 10 for me. Interesting story, fun gameplay and a great lead character. And the hordes are some of the best gaming I've experienced. First time you wipe one out is a great feeling.
I part exchanged it a while ago, so happy to get it next week and I'll probably play through it again on my PS5.
Re: PS Plus April 2021 PS5, PS4 Games Announced
Another great month for me, and I've played and beaten Days gone ages OK. Pleased for people who haven't played it yet, such a good game. And we're getting a brand new PS5 game day one, it's not something I would have bought but I'm going to give it a try. The last 3 months have been tremendous value, so much so that my xbox has hardly been turned on.
Re: Ghost of Tsushima Has Sold a Staggering 6.5 Million Copies
Favourite game of last year. Really pleased for the developers and look forward to the sequel on PS5.
Re: Returnal on PS5 Has a Neat Asynchronous Online Feature
Really looking forward to playing this. Seems like they have tried to be very creative with this game and give the player a unique experience. Whether or not its worth the money will always come down to the individual, me personally, I will get it day one.
Re: Next-Gen PSVR Controllers Revealed, Includes Haptic Feedback and Adaptive Triggers
@blinx01 I'd be really surprised (and happy) if psvr2 is below 350 to be honest. They are on about higher resolutions and bigger fov, plus all the other tech(eye tracking) they might to add. Can't see that being cheap.
Re: Next-Gen PSVR Controllers Revealed, Includes Haptic Feedback and Adaptive Triggers
Really excited to try these out, I love the dualsense so think they will add a lot to the games. I have a PC setup with this type of tracking and for the most part it's great. My one concern would be what type of batteries they go for, internal or AA. Because my PC controllers that are AA, eat through them really quickly and they don't have half the tech of these controllers.
Re: PlayStation Players Get 10 Free PS4 Games This Spring, Including Horizon Zero Dawn
Really generous, never played the HZD dlc so looking forward to that. Going to claim all the vr games and hope psvr2 will be backwards compatible, as I intend to get it when it releases.
Re: Outriders Is Going to Be a Commercial Crater on PS5, PS4
@Hypnotoad107 I agree that gamepass is brilliant value for money (at the moment) and gives you choice, I subscribe myself. But what @Exlee300p and @BadPlayerOne are maybe saying is that in the long run it could hurt gaming if MS continue on their current course unchecked. MS had a NET income of 42billion last year, they are a trillion dollar company. Yes Sony have bought developers before but not on the scale or consequence of the Bethesda deal. Imagine if MS buy ubisoft and take 2 next. What if they went mental and bought EA and took all the sports games, battlefield games away from Sony players. The casual gamers (which are the majority) would steer massively to the green side.
And you say that streaming TV is the future and the content is better, but that has a lot of competition, Netflix, Amazon, Disney, Sky in my country and many others. If MS got too big, had all the biggest games who would keep them honest? My bet would be prices go up and quality would go down.
But hey, hopefully regulation would stop them getting a monopoly and destroying the thing we all love, gaming.
Re: Outriders Is Going to Be a Commercial Crater on PS5, PS4
@Fenbops it's a small subscription fee now, but If MS keep going the way they are and corner most of the market then how long do you think it will stay like that? If they buy even more studios and developers!
I bet in the years to come that small fee could end up £30 a month or more. And I say this as gamepass subscriber. Healthy competition is good, a monopoly would ruin gaming.
Re: Outriders Is Going to Be a Commercial Crater on PS5, PS4
Thought the demo was OK but not up to something of the division 2's quality. Way too many cut scenes for me. Was thinking of getting it when it goes on sale cheap.
MS are certainly throwing their money around at the mo. In one way I think it's good because it gives Sony some very strong competition, which hopefully we as PlayStation owners benefit from with better services(I think psplus shows the effects already). But I do wonder what MS's end game is, how far they are willing to spend. They keep buying more studios, more games for gamepass, effectively try and kill the competition. Then when they have the market they can charge what they like for gamepass and if you want to play most of the games you'll have to pay it.
Re: Over Half of Players Completed Ghost of Tsushima's Campaign
My favourite game of last year. Beautiful to look at, great fun combat, interesting story and some memorable side missions.
The trophy system always surprises me. On WRC9 the only 7.9% have driven more than 500km which you'd do in your second season. Only 11.3% have reached level 20 which doesn't take too long either.
Re: Poll: Which Bethesda Franchise Will PS5 Miss the Most?
@Vyns it will be very interesting to see the quality of the games from all these studios they've bought, not just Bethesda. One thing I will say with Sony is that their games don't release until they are ready(mostly 🙂). Whereas MS have to start delivering games and regulary at some point to keep gamepass the great value it is.
Also your other post, ive never paid £12 a month for gamepass, always get deals from different retailers online. And they are probably counting the people who do the £1 offer. Be interesting to know the amount that are subscribing monthly.
Re: Poll: Which Bethesda Franchise Will PS5 Miss the Most?
The last game of theirs I really enjoyed was Wolfenstein New Order, but the series has gone down hill since then. I have both systems, and 20 of their games dropped on gamepass yesterday and I haven't installed a single one. I believe this is a blow to Sony, but we have yet to see the quality of all these studios under MS. Are they given time to breath or forced out to keep gamepass relevant. Time will tell. I'm still very excited for the games Sony has coming out for the PS5.
Plus i think a lot of people don't realise that they are trying to have the gamepass app on new TVs by the end of this year. As the streaming quality gets better, all you'll need is a controller, app on your TV and an active subscription and you'll be away. MS don't care if you have their box under your TV, they just want your subscription.
Re: Reaction: What Next for PlayStation?
I think the worst thing Sony could do is go out and start panic buying studios, making them look desperate. Yes I wish they were more open about the state of the PS5 and the games going forward. But as things stand right now, they have a great machine that they can't make fast enough to supply demand, some standout games coming in the next 12 months and a loyal following created by making some of the best games of the last 10 years. Yes buying Bethesda is a big move by MS, but they have still to show they can make GOTY games, quality games that push gaming forward. Their problem is they need to keep putting a constant flow of new games on gamepass to keep it relevant, will it become quantity over quality? Will they give the developers at these studios the time they need. Only time will tell. I think it will be good for Sony in the long run, they need a strong competitor to keep them honest.
Oh and for me personally, I love my PS5. Playing games with the dualsense makes playing games on my xbox seem flat. The dualsense is definitely not a gimmick. And with PSplus lately, I think Sony are doing just fine.
Re: Future Bethesda Games Will Ship 'Where Game Pass Exists'
@Ken_Kaniff we can only hope that at some point regulators will step in and stop MS getting a monopoly. Will also be interesting to see the quality of the games they put out, as to keep gamepass attractive they need to keep putting new games on constantly. Quantity over quality wouldn't be good. I know this deal takes away some potentially great games from PS, but I don't think it's the end of the world. Now if they bought ea and took all the sports titles away, or Activision and made COD exclusive then that would be a game changer.
Re: Future Bethesda Games Will Ship 'Where Game Pass Exists'
@Ken_Kaniff oh and microsoft had to buy these studios because they were so far behind. Last gen until gamepass it was a disaster for them. I hope they don't buy too many more because one company owning all the best studios would be bad for all us gamers.
Re: Future Bethesda Games Will Ship 'Where Game Pass Exists'
@Ken_Kaniff I know a lot of gamers that just want a box under the TV, they have no interest in having a PC and all that comes with that. Consoles sell because they are simple. You really think Sony didn't look into it and decide it wouldn't hurt the brand? I don't care if some PC gamer is playing a game I beat 2 years ago that's on psplus now. And yes it could be bad for the industry as a whole if MS keep buying game developers, but they have a massive bank account to do that, Sony do not. The worst thing Sony could do right now is try and buy lots of studios and look like they are panicking. They have a great machine and massive Ip's with a proven track record. MS have still got to show what they can do with all these studios(and I say this as an xbox owner). Competition is going to get fierce, but I'd rather have Sony's studios with the games they're put out these last few years than Microsofts.
Re: Future Bethesda Games Will Ship 'Where Game Pass Exists'
@Ken_Kaniff Sony is porting their old games that don't generate much income anymore into a massive player base! Great financial business sense. Also puts the PlayStation brand out there. I should imagine the average console user doesn't want a gaming pc, so this won't effect them. Plus a lot of people won't want to wait 2 years to play the next GOW or HZD2. Yes MS buying Bethesda is a big power move, but it's hardly the end of the world. Just gives Sony even greater competition and will push them harder.
Re: Overwatch Skips PS5 with New Next-Gen Upgrades
@Deanster101 you'll have great fun with the Pro, it's a brilliant machine. Plenty of amazing games to play. But for me the PS5 is more than just a bit faster and prettier. The biggest thing it brings is the dualsense, just adds so much to games. Playing WR9 you know when you have engine damage because the right trigger changes. Going over loose gravel you can feel it hitting the car. COD with the different feeling weapons, Fifa you can tell when a player is tired just by the trigger. Other games you can feel the footsteps when your characters walk. I really didn't like the dualshock 4, much preferred the xbox one controller but Sony knocked it out of the park with this one. I also have a series x but I'm buying all the 3rd party games on the ps5 because of the dualsense. And playing spiderman MM at 60fps with RT never gets old. Control is loads better than when I played it on my Pro. And with returnal, deathloop and R&C around the corner I have no regrets about being an early adopter.
Re: Bethesda Broadcast Could Potentially Lay Out Publisher's Plans This Week
@Ponykiller01 they'll only be "tears" if microsoft actually start delivering great games again. Will be interesting to see the quality Bethesda puts out in the next few years, whether MS actually makes a difference and gets them back to where they were 10 years ago. I hope they get the time needed to produce great games and not just game fodder to keep gamepass relevant. Oh and I say this as someone who owns both machines.
Re: Microsoft's Bethesda Bid One Step Closer to Completion as European Union Approves Acquisition
@LordSteev yes your correct on Doom, which shows that they themselves haven't made a great game in a while. I think fallout 76 showed which direction they wanted to head in but that back fired. Hopefully they do put all their talents into starfield and get back to where they were.
Re: Microsoft's Bethesda Bid One Step Closer to Completion as European Union Approves Acquisition
@LordSteev I would agree that Bethesda were one of the great studios, made brilliant games that other developers could only wish for. But personally apart from Doom, their output over the last few years has been very poor. Whether they can get back to their best with MS in charge remains to be seen, I hope they do. I think we'll know when Starfield drops.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Spider-Man: Miles Morales and The Last of Us 2 Enjoy Huge Sales Spikes
@GREGORIAN I didn't mention the 2 second game. My thoughts are on the first game only. Yes Ellie is a strong and capable child, but the fireflies didn't give her the choice. Didn't speak to her, give her a chance to do what she wanted. No they were just going to murder her in cold blood. They were the bad guys and Joel had every reason to do what he did.
And who cares what sexuality a person is? That's got nothing to do with the story. Bad writing is bad writing. They wrote a very weak story trying to justify their agenda and the main stream media lapped it up. But IGN Japan said it best "its a story about right and wrong told by people who always think their right". And you bringing up race just shows where your head is at.
Re: Microsoft's Bethesda Bid One Step Closer to Completion as European Union Approves Acquisition
@IonMagus most of those games have no dates or even years. And yes I'm looking forward to playing them when they do come out. But Sony will have more games coming too I'm sure. They know they need to keep the momentum up, PlayStation is their biggest cash cow. At the end of the day none of us know what the future holds, whether this deal changes things or not. I'm sure both billion dollar companies will be fine.
Re: Microsoft's Bethesda Bid One Step Closer to Completion as European Union Approves Acquisition
@IonMagus Switch came out 4 years ago and the ps4 carried on selling extremely well, Nintendos great exclusives didn't change that. And yes MS have bought lots of studios, but what have got to show for that? They are probably years away from any big releases, and they still have to show the quality when they do! And the back compat angle means nothing to me, I didn't buy a ps5 and series x to play old games, I want new experiences. The whole back compat line is smoke and mirrors from MS because they had no new games for the systems at launch. In the next year Sony have ratchet and clank, hzd2, GOW and gt7. Plus other great looking exclusives. If you really think they don't stand up against the others then maybe your on the wrong site. And I have a feeling psvr2 could be something special that the others don't offer.
Re: Microsoft's Bethesda Bid One Step Closer to Completion as European Union Approves Acquisition
@IonMagus during last gen when Sony we're very strong and sold 116 million ps4s I don't remember too many people saying Sony need to buy more studios, they just have so few of them!!!! MS needed this acquisition to make their brand stronger, to make gamepass stronger. Whether they turn out system seller after system seller remains to be seen. Sony will just keep doing what they're doing and people can vote with their wallets.