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@Sakai their main audience may be on PC, but the game that was so massively hyped and advertised with their consoles front and center! It was on every single xbox website, the game of a generation. They must have spent millions on advertising.
For their sales to drop 35%, with no hardware problems during the games launch month, and with forza around the corner is awful. And in North America the PS5 outsold Xbox in September aswell. That's their home country(where they are strongest), with Sony releasing nothing until Oct.
Personally I hope they reverse this trend, I want a strong Xbox, I want 3 consoles fighting each other. Competition is better for us gamers. My worry is MS deicide the console market is not worth it, and just become a software publisher and leave hardware behind.

@Sakai Starfield was massively marketed, its the biggest exclusive to hit the xbox in years! For the series consoles to be down 35% after less than 3 years on the market is bad whatever way you swing it. Especially with how cheaply you can get a series s with GP(both hugely advertised).

Yes you can play it on pc, it's a huge market, but that still doesn't explain why their consoles aren't selling that well. The whole phone and tablet argument makes no sense to me. By all accounts people don't stream games like Starfield to play on phones!

Don't get me wrong, I'm quite enjoying Starfield on my X. It's just not the game of the generation/ space exploration one they were promising. Its more restrictive and has more loading screens than any game I've played in years.

@Triumph741 Sony will never put the psvr2 on PC. Makes no financial sense, they make their money from software sales from the ps store, not selling the headset.
Your other point on the pc can do everything, yes it can. But your going to need a monster expensive pc. I saw a review for saints and sinners 2 that with foveated rendering, the ps5 version looked better than a pc running a 4080. How much is one of them again? And a lot of games now use the tech.

Oh and as someone who played pcvr for years, the beauty of just putting a cable into the front of my ps5, starting the game and being straight into the game is a breath of fresh air. The amount of hours I used to spend trying to get project cars 2 running well makes me really appreciate GT7. And no worrying about the joy that is PC hackers!
As to the lens and the sweet spot, I have no problem finding it ever. Doesn't even take seconds. You obviously don't like the tech, that's fine, go and enjoy your quest 3 and power pc to play the best games. Us peasants will just play our inferior device, get hours of enjoyment and not care what side of history were on.

Really looking forward to this game, I loved the original. Was one of the best games I played on pcvr, and this looks a big improvement.
As others have said, don't understand this sites message on the games. Village/ no mans sky/ star wars/ hubris/ red matter 2/ both saints and sinners/ Synapse plus others. Sierra squad in realism mode is brilliant, and with 63 missions that you can do solo, great value for money. And that's not taking about GT7, the best most immersive game I've ever played on VR. 150 hours and counting.

@Andy22385 yeah I reckon if you live in a country with great 5g and have unlimited data, the portal could be a play anywhere device.
Very interested to see what real world tests turn out like.

@Grumblevolcano yes but if you have decent WiFi the portal can play your ps5 installed games anywhere.
As i understand it, you leave your ps5 in standby mode. You go to a friends/work/pub, connect to their WiFi. Turn on, it wakes up your ps5 at home and your playing your games.
Now how smooth the experience is, that's going to be the question

@Grumblevolcano how do you know its useless away from home? Have you got a link to early reviews?
You can play it anywhere you have good WiFi speeds. Will it have a bit more lag than in your own home? probably! Let's see what DF say when they get their hands on it. But I reckon it will be far from useless.

Sounds amazing, with this and all the content coming with 2.0 I can't wait to play this game again.
And 30 hours for £25 is a bargain, maybe they are trying to make up for the original launch.

Sounds really good and a massive improvement from the release version. Though I actually played and completed it at launch, and really enjoyed it for the most part.
Looking forward to starting a fresh run and enjoying 2.0 before phantom liberty drops.

Lots of massive overreaction in the comments I see. Everything single thing in my life has gone up, this doesn't surprise me at all. Lots of vocal people here, but it will be interesting to see what their subscription numbers are in a years time. My guess is not much different, the average consumer will just pay it anyway.
As to the monthly games, I know saints row was not critically well received, but it still was a full priced game that came out last year.
And I know I didn't play Generation Zero at launch but for PS to give it a 3 and call it dreadful is just laughable. Especially after seeing some of the high scores they have given out to some very mediocre games. The build I played was bug free, ran great, massive open world, really challenging machines to fight and it had great weather effects. And in coop was brilliant fun.
No idea about the third game, but a pretty good month in my eyes.

I'll give saints row a download, was never going to spend money for it.
Personally I would recommend everyone giving Generation Zero a try if you like big open world shooters. Played through the whole campaign coop with a mate and we had a blast. Some of the machines you fight are huge and take planning and fire power to take down. Hiding in houses when swarmed is the only way to survive. Liked how the story was revealed slowly through the game too.
Decent month for me.

@ztpayne7 Hoodie718 well I think you've both convinced me. Time to give it a go.

Will be interesting to see how the psvr2 visuals improve with foveated rendering. I've held off playing it on the headset because of all the negative comments.

@michaelf you can get it for £43 online.
I loved the original film, game seems to capture the tone and atmosphere quite well, so will be a day one for me.

@XboxTheBestBox I hope your right about some of the games xbox have coming, will finally make my investment in my day one X worth it. I am genuinely very excited for Starfield, I have a feeling it could be special. And I'm sure hellblade 2 will be a great game. But the rest? Indiana Jones we know nothing about. Could be another redfall. Perfect dark was taken back to the drawing board, and I'd be surprised if we see that before 2026. And the outer world's 2 could be years away too.
Though I think forza will probably be a better game than gt7(as it should being next gen only), after 120 hours in gt7 vr2, racing flat screen has no appeal to me anymore.
For Sony's games in 2024, we don't know much, personally think they've been keeping a lot of secrets whilst the activision deal dragged on. Hopefully we will get some idea soon. But the thing is, whatever games we get, we know they will be quality games. Xbox has a lot to prove now. That they can keep a constant supply of great games coming, and not just GP fodder.

Oh and apart from the first few months, the Series S has been readily available in the UK. And from mid 2022 it was the same for the series x. Its not stock issues that are holding them back.

@JayJ can you show any Sony press release stating they are introducing the ps5 pro? I've seen lots of rumours and speculation but nothing from Sony themselves. And most people's best guess seems to be Xmas 2024!
So you think gamers are fools for buying a console now, to play games now? That they should wait another 16 months just for the off chance the pro does come out?
Plus what was the sales ratio between the ps4 and the ps4 pro? From what I understand, the pro was between 20-40% of all sales. Your average gamer/ parent had no interest in the pro model.

Looks pretty good from that short clip. The film is brilliant, if they can capture that atmosphere with the same attention to detail it might be a decent shooter. Nice for COD to have a bit of competition anyway.

Personally I really enjoyed it at launch. Just a fun experience with some great jump scares. Will definitely try it again with the updates as it is fun to replay through.

Really tempted to get this, does look good. Think I'll wait for reviews though. Wondering how it will play with a gunstock.

Another great month for me, plenty of games I want to try out. The value in Extra is simply amazing in my opinion.
Can't recommend It Takes Two enough, a brilliant coop game.

Nice to have some new cars, but what I really want is an update for psvr2. I'm loving the online races in VR, think I've put 70 hours into them. But it really needs more info displayed, specifically the split times to the other racers.

Looks very very good. Will definitely be getting day one. Hopefully another great game for psvr2.

Looks really good. If they nail the open sandbox well, and it feels like a living breathing city it could be great. I enjoyed American Fugitive so will probably give this a go.

Personally think it looks like a fun game, I like that it has rpg elements too. And the reviewer moaning that the story follows the films to closely as a bad thing would only make sense of they were modern films. I can imagine a lot of younger gamers have never seen the movies and will enjoy murphy's struggles with his new reality.

My copy arrived today, loved the first 2 on PC, they really nail the atmosphere of the era and setting. Hoping using a controller isn't too painful.

If I ignore the almost complete lack of any 1st party games I actually enjoyed it. Nice mix of games, big and small. Personally I counted 11 games im going to buy including 3 of the psvr2 games.
I do think Sony need to have something in September with more 1st party news though.

Even though I have 0 interest in gaming on my mobile I think this is a great move by Sony!
The more money they bring in the better for the brand, and it makes them stronger going forward.
MS have almost unlimited funds and are showing that they are willing to spend it, and that they are in this for the long haul! For Sony to keep competing they need as many revenue streams coming in as possible. Just sticking to only big single player AAA games would be suicide long term.
As I put above, the mobile gaming market was worth $122 billion last year and its predicted to keep growing. For Sony to not want a slice of that would be really really stupid.

@Grimwood In 2022 the mobile gaming market was worth $122 billion. Around 60% of the gaming market! Yeah I'd say people play games on their phone.

Looking forward to the new cafe menus, always good fun. I'm loving the world series in sport at the moment though, some brilliant online races available. Though race C around the nurburgring with dynamic weather is both amazing and painful!

@thefourfoldroot1 yeah all good points, I reckon they launched it in Feb so by the time it had its first big Christmas push the software lineup will look very strong.
I'd bet the psvr2 will hit 10 million in its lifetime.

Personally think those numbers are very good, especially as in the main markets you could only buy from Sony. They could be over a million now that is open to retailers.
Sony are going to have a lot of eyes on the show tonight, lots of exposure. Some really good game announcements for psvr2, a strong lineup into the Christmas holidays and better marketing and I think it could be a great first year for psvr2.
Anyway I'm loving the headset, over 40 hours in gt7 (just so addictive, even got me into the sport mode), some other really great games and the tech is brilliant. I find it super comfy and it's never fogged up once. For me it's been worth every penny.

Trying not to get too excited, but it's been so long I'm confident they have some big surprises in store. We'll that's what I'm telling myself.
Hoping last of us multiplayer looks great and spiderman 2 finally shows off what next gen can do. If I'm swinging for the fences, I'd love all the resistance games remade for psvr2 in one package!

Pretty excited to see what they have for us. Don't mind some decent indies and 3rd party, but really want to see 3 or 4 1st party games, even if its just a tease.
Oh and some big psvr2 announcements! Surely astrobot will show himself!

Finally time to see what they been cooking. Pretty hyped for this, first showcase without the ps4 being mentioned! Looking forward to seeing what they have in store for psvr2 too.

@SBan83 and you don't know if its selling at a profit either. They've spent millions on R&D, production, and parts have gone up alot in the last 2 years alone. They will be making the majority/all of their profit from their own store selling software. They want their 30% cut off pavlov, not give it to steam.
And I wouldn't call the 40-50 games in the launch line up as tiny. I'd even say it's one of the strongest of any hardware ever. For me personally gt7 and village were worth the price alone, and I've been having great fun with other titles too. I've even seen PC gamers on forums buying ps5/psvr2 just to play gt7. We have some great games coming that we already know of, and hopefully more to be revealed very soon.
Anyway I don't think Sony will ever make it PC compatible, just not in their own interests. So maybe you should just ignore psvr2.

Oh and to your other reply to @RonnieL, we don't know the sales numbers, especially since its been released to retailers. It had the best sales launch of any wired headset and very good compared to nearly every other headset apart from quest 2. And it was never going to beat that. Nobody knows if Sony are happy with the numbers or not.

Such a beautiful game, one of the best looking games I've ever played. I remember my ps4 Pro sounded like it was going to take off! The combat, atmosphere and characters really immersed me in the world. looking forward to the next one.

@GamingFan4Lyf MS are the market leader because they saw the potential of cloud gaming/services and had the financial backing to create an amazing infrastructure! We're talking billions to create and operate. With Facebook they laid a 4000 mile transatlantic cable, they are doing that all over the world to link up their data centers. You think anyone else in the gaming landscape can afford to do that??
Microsoft are playing the long game, they are getting all their ducks in a row for the future. So they can dominate gaming like they do PC operating systems. They are spending these billions because they see the future and how they can control it.
We will have to agree to disagree, I think you're wrong about console hardware always being a thing. People will play COD on streaming because they won't have a choice. The generation growing up with gaming now won't care about hardware. They'll just click an app on their TV, grab their controller and off they go.

@GamingFan4Lyf yes and in the streaming market they will be the dominant leader, by a massive margin! They will have the best infrastructure, the biggest IPs and the biggest marketing.
How is it going to be economic suicide to make people have to subscribe to their service if they want to play all their favourite games after taking them off all the others?
Streaming will be the future, like it or not. No need for console or pc. Hundreds of millions subscribing to MS because they have the monopoly. The licencing revenue would be nothing compared to the billions they will make from subscribers. Especially after they start wacking the price up.
And when they have the dominant streaming service they can then dictate to other publishers how much cut they want for the privilege to be on their platform. They will make steam look nice by comparison.

@YonkoBuggyTheClown your funny, I like you. I suppose as an xbox super fan you need a good sense of humour.

@GamingFan4Lyf MS already has nearly 70% of the cloud streaming market. They have spent billions building their infrastructure, money that didn't come from xbox or gaming. Who can compete with that?
Analysts predict the cloud market will be worth 14 billion by 2030.
The deal goes through today, they get COD, overwatch, candy crush(a massive cash cow) and WOW plus all the other IP. In 2033 they pull every single game and IP they own and make them only available through their service. Other services don't stand a chance, and there is your monopoly.
And don't forget they have said they want more acquisitions after this one.
As a gamer, that future doesn't look too bright to me.

@twitchtvpat horizon is a good game, just to much climbing for me! Looks great though.
Yeah I hope re7 gets an upgrade too, but I don't think it will. Can't recommend village enough though, great experience and visuals in vr. The atmosphere is totally different to the flat version.
I've not tried no mans sky yet, heard mixed reviews.

@TrickyDicky99 its always going to be a niche market, limited sales numbers so limited gaming budgets. Will never change, well not until the tech matures well past what we have now, so I really don't know what your expecting.
Psvr2 is getting 1st party games, quest(not ideal) and more and more pc ports that take advantage of the psvr2's extra features. Plus Sony have said they are looking to have games that cross both meduims, like res evil village does. How good they'll be who knows. But that's what we're going to get, that is modern day VR. So if your not interested in any of those then yes, I don't think vr is for you and won't be for a long time.

@twitchtvpat hope you enjoy it 👍. What games are you starting with?

@TrickyDicky99 again you have no numbers since it started selling at retailers so you have no idea how its selling.
GT7 being a cross gen game stop doesn't stop it being the best driving experience on any vr platform. What gen a game is had no bearing on its quality, just look at the latest Zelda, a masterpiece by all accounts on a tablet!
The games I mentioned aren't indies. And AAA games cost anywhere between 50-100 million these days, you think they're going to do that for a vr game? It's obvious that VR is not for you and never will be.

@TrickyDicky99 that's poor sales according to you! How many were you expecting them to sell in the first month? And we have no numbers since then, so how sales are going after retailers starting selling we don't know.
Gt7 and resident Village are brilliant AAA experiences, and there looks to be plenty more coming, hubris, crossfire, firewall, redmatter 2, journey to foundation, project Wingman. And let's see what the showcase has to offer.
And I like how you say most people all the time, how many people did you survey?

@TrickyDicky99 I'm not defending anyone, just stating that in the VR landscape its apparently doing well. And it's way too soon to be so negative for such a niche product.
And demand what exactly? I think it's selling for a very fair price. It has some great games already and around 100 more in production/ being ported. I've been having an amazing time in the games I've played so far and it's miles better than my old pcvr.
Now if in a years time there's hardly anything in production or support from Sony then yeah, I'll moan then. But for me it's been a great launch.

@TrickyDicky99 well Sony obviously doesn't think so. Most of the narrative has been from Bloomberg, how many they wanted to sell, oh no the forecast is not good, Sony are cutting production! It's only sold 300k in a month!
The only thing we've actually heard from Sony is that they are not cutting production.
If you actually look at the numbers (if true) it's been a good launch. Highest ever for a wired VR headset, and against others it's still very good. Pico 4 47k and the Valve Index with millions of possible PC gamers 46k. The quest 2 which launched at great value and marketing is obviously out of its reach, but in the vr landscape its doing well.

The thing is, only Sony know if its hitting the sales numbers they were expecting. We have no idea how its tracking for them

It's just starting selling at retailers, so the numbers could get very interesting now(very in the UK showed they sold 150 in 48 hours, that's one retailer not known for gaming. Game are selling it with 2 games for £15 more). They hopefully have a big showcase coming up, to show what they have coming. With that and some great deals at Christmas it could be a very different story by the end of the year. If not then they can pivot. But to write it off after 3 months is just laughable.

@SBan83 again they are hardly making any money on the hardware. They want to sell it and have people spending money in their ecosystem. They'll get their 30% from all the 3rd party games sales, which is the vast majority of the games.
Why put it on PC so steam can get the 30%? Makes no business sense.

@Mikey856 No

@TrickyDicky99 price is excellent for what you are getting, and you have no idea what the install base is or why EA aren't doing a psvr2 port.