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@NEStalgia you say Sony has been complacent this last few years? They have had a massively successful console launch(even with a pandemic and shortages) with in my opinion a great first year of games. We have 3 tent pole games coming this year, as well as some great 3rd party ones. They have 25 games in development, with nearly half being new ip(so could be anything). And they are going to be launching a cutting edge vr set up and make AAA games for it! If that's complacent, god knows what you'd call Nintendo the last few years with their repackaged wii and wii u games.

@Alduin I don't think this has anything to do with Sony's timed exclusives! You don't spend 70 billion to combat that, you would just do the same and spend shed loads less.
This is MS really showing what it's true long term plan is, to buy as many studios/publishers as they can! To have the biggest collection of games anywhere, to make it the only place you can play your favourite games. They are looking 20-30 years ahead. I wouldn't be surprised if ubisoft is next.

@art_of_the_kill I'd also add that for me, the best version of the game is the one I played back in 2018. The one I loved and thought was a masterpiece. I don't care if PC players get a shinier version all these years later. Good for them.
And of course they are going to use the benefits of the platform and make the game look as good as it can. You imagine what would have happened if they had just released the PS4 version? It would have been called a cheap PC port and review bombed!

@art_of_the_kill please explain how its at our expense without any proof? GOW was ported over by Jetpack Interactive with supervision from Santa Monica. Sony have just bought a PC port specialist to help with these ports so their main studios aren't affected.
They have 25 games in development (nearly half being new ip) for the PS platform. 2022 is looking like a great year of releases for the ps5/4! Maybe their biggest yet! Last year they added more studios, made more 3rd party deals.
They have even stated they want more 1st party games launched in this generation than in any other(whether that's true we will see, but they've certainly started strong). If anything id say their commitment to the PlayStation brand and our consoles is stronger than its ever been.

@Radekbejbl1 what decline? They have the hottest console/ piece of tech in the world right now. They can't keep up with the demand. And it was still out selling the ps4s launch, and that's after it was clear PC ports were happening of older titles. The average PS customer doesn't care.
Last year they had their biggest two quarters in PlayStation history for revenue! Please point to the decline?
I'd bet you here and now the PS5 goes on to sell more than the ps4! They could go day and date(don't think they ever will) and I still think that would happen. Like I said elsewhere, xbox is day and date and they've also have had an extremely good console launch.
Not going to argue that sony doesn't have problems, but then what company doesn't?

@TheArt xbox has been day and date with PC for years and yet they've just released the fastest selling consoles in xbox's history.
Sony started porting games in 2020(HZD) and have been very open that more were coming, and still they've just had their best console launch in their history! Doesn't seem to have affected demand for consoles! The average gamer likes the convenience of a single box.
I've been a PC gamer for over 25 years and spent £1000s keeping up. Now I really like that I buy a ps5, sit it next to my TV and know that for the next 6-7 years it will play any game released to the best of the developers abilities.

@Radekbejbl1 how are they devaluing their brand? Fact remains if you want to play brand new 1st party games on release you need a PlayStation console. Great that you can wait years, you have a lot of patience. Me, I'll be playing spiderman 2 or wolverine when HzFW or GT7 hit a PC.
Oh and most console gamers probably don't want to spend £1200 to £1500 to play a game at the same level as a ps5 pushes out. And if you look on steam at the latest PC hardware survey, the 8 top graphics cards are weaker than a ps5(according to Digital foundry).
GOW has sold 19 million, its reached its limit on what it can generate for Sony! This creates extra revenue and gets the brand out there to different types of gamers.
I find it strange that people think Sony executives sit around thinking "how can we screw up PlayStation long term?" 🤔. That they haven't looked at the big picture and decided this is a good move for the company!

PlayStation is their biggest cash cow. The PS store on their consoles prints money for them. They are not going to do anything to jeopardise that.

@art_of_the_kill what exactly are they doing at our expense? They've bought studios that make mobile games. They've bought a studio that specialises in PC ports! These are to bring in extra revenue for the company. Not take anything away from the PS community, maybe even add people to the PS community!
They've stated they have 25 games in development, nearly half being new ip for the ps5/4. We have an amazing line up of games coming this year, I'd argue its better than either MS or Nintendo. For me it's never been a better time to be a PS gamer.

@NinjaWaddleDee we don't know what the sales figures are though. HZD sold 716000 in its first month on steam, and GOW has a much higher profile, better scores and is a better port.
As Arisen says, its sitting at No1 on steam at the moment, and it was no1 when preorders started. At the moment it has 62k concurrent players. I'd be amazed if it hasn't sold over 1 million by the end of the month.

@pimpjuice doesn't devalue my ps5 at all. Sony will make millions from it(it shot to the top of steam global sales in its first hour on preorder). Means more money for them to make games for us. Gets Sony's brand recognition to millions of people who don't normally buy consoles.
Sony have sold nearly 20 million copies, it's made its money on console. I'm glad PC gamers get to play this masterpiece.
The value of my console comes with me getting to play GOWR, GT7, HFW and the rest this year. The value of my console is that it cost a quarter of the PC spec they used for this review.

@Arnna just out of interest what type of man do you think would survive a zombie apocalypse? Society would break down completely in weeks. No power, Internet, shopping, basic supplies all gone. Kill what you can eat, fight others for what's left. I think most of today's "men" wouldn't last a month, especially from the west.
Someone like deacon would have a much better chance of survival. And emoting and being all touchy feeling would probably just get you dead.
The game was great, and I do wonder if they had changed deacon (but kept the writing exactly the same) and put Abbey from TLOU 2 in whether IGN and the rest would have called it a masterpiece!

@Deljo I think it comes down to the type of games Sony wants to make for the psvr2. It seems like they want to create proper full length games that will look like the next gen games we play on our 4k tvs. Games like half-life alyx(that you need a cable to play on the quest, or I believe a WiFi adapter with excellent WiFi setup). Games that take advantage of the ps5's power. For me, 1 cable is a small inconvenience for a better visual experience and more immersive games.

@BUDSclass201 it was always going to use the power of the ps5, so was never going to be wireless. They've been saying for ages it was one cable.
Me personally, being wireless would have been a negative and a no buy.

@Deljo one single cable has never been a problem for me. I use a HP WMR headset and have played many many hours of all different games with no issues.
To go the quest wireless route and have a very weak CPU would make no sense when the PS5 has all that power. And for most people with normal set ups, wifi would not be a lag free experience. With the sort of tech inside the headset, with the resolution, eye tracking etc and to get 90 or 120hz you would need WiFi 6 to hope to get a smooth experience.
One cable should mean we get amazing looking games, highly detailed and a very smooth experience.

I'll also add about battery life. Apparently the quest 2 is 2 hours when hard gaming with a 2 to 3 hour charge time. I personally don't want that inconvenience, especially if your sharing it with family/ mates.

Really excited for all 3 , don't usually preorder but I know they are going to bring the quality and be brilliant games. Looking forward to sinking hours into gt7's campaign.
First half of the year is stacked, Sifu, ghostwire tokyo, forspoken, stray, little devil inside 🤞. I honestly think gowr will drop in the summer.
And with Sony saying they have 25 unannounced games in production I reckon the second half of 2022 and into 2023 are going to be impressive. Then add psvr2 and the games they will launch with that and Sony's going to be flying.

Looks a blast, looking forward to trying this out.

Great month if true. Nice way to start the year.
Just been looking at the reviews on steam for the deep rock galactic game as never heard of it. It's at overwhelming positive at 97% from 92k reviews. Says 1 to 4 player coop with completely destructible environments. Looks a blast to play and worth an install.

Just can not wait to play this game. As well as the machines, the world's just look so dense and beautiful. Looking forward to taking on the new machines, well apart from that snake one! 😳

Loved playing 4 with a mate, some genuinely great gameplay moments. Looking forward to 5. I just wish they would do more missions with deadly counter snipers, something like the film 'enemy at the gates' would be awesome.

I thought forspoken looked really impressive, looking forward to that. And since I like a good coop game with my mate, I will keep an eye on that arc raiders.

I wonder what the build quality is like for that sort of money? I just wish Sony would just stick some back paddles on the standard dualsense, call it the pro model, charge me £80-£100 and I'd buy one.

This is just what I wanted, sign me up for tier 3! Be interesting to see the price structure.
Those saying it needs to have day one 1st party releases like GP are going to be disappointed. I honestly don't think it will ever happen. Sony spends too much money on these games to be able to afford that. MS can afford to bank roll GP for years until its really sustainable, don't think Sony can.
And personally I hope they don't, I'd rather have a service like this and buy their latest releases that I know are going to be high quality. If they were released onto the service day one I would worry quality would suffer! MS have yet to proof they can release high quality games over a long period(and I say this as a GP subscriber for over 2 years).

Really chuffed if true. Always wanted to try Godfall, but just couldn't bring myself to spend the money. And lego games are always fun to play with my kids.

Really pleased to see guardians do so well, hopefully this means we'll get a sequel. I love the tone, graphics, story and the banter between the characters, have laughed quite a few times. My only small gripe is the combat is just OK for me, it's fun but just controlling starlord and with his guns being like pea shooters it just seems to be missing something.
Well worth the money though, hopefully we get more single player games like this.

@Umar why would he want to stop it? Shawn Layden made some very good points, makes very good financial sense for Sony.

@Martsmall I agree that sony want a slice of the pc market. They will sell millions of copies of gow2018 I reckon.
I just think in my own personal opinion they will not put them day and date this gen(maybe a multiplayer game, maybe).
Anyway I'm off, enjoyed the chat 👍🙂.

@Martsmall yeah most wont, but maybe a few will, and that's sales they wouldn't have gotten.
Plus people seem under the impression that just because there are a billion pcs out there that the games sell massive.
Half life 2 one of the biggest and best pc games ever(my personal favourite of all time) sold 12 million by latest count. Witcher 3 12 million. Cyberpunk 2077 4.5 million. GOW 2018 sold 19.5 million on 116 million ps4's.

@Martsmall oh and I was a pc gamer for 25 years, spent £1000s over the years keeping up with the needed specs. liked the look of some of the games on ps4 so I bought one. Then traded it for a Pro and now a ps5. Most top end PC gamers are cash rich, buying a console for £450 is nothing compared to a top end gpu.

@Martsmall I posted this on another similar topic the other day. It's an interview the former boss Shawn Layden gave a few weeks ago. States his reasons and why he thought it was a good idea. Time will tell how it all plays out in the long run, but I honestly don't think Sony will do anything to hurt the PlayStation brand as its their biggest money maker.

Ex PlayStation boss Shawn Layden in an interview 2 weeks ago.

“The idea of going to PC—and I don’t think you’ll ever see PlayStation do a day and date with PC, but you know, never say never—but the strategy as we were developing it when I was there was that we need to go out to where these new customers are, these new fans could be,” he said.

“We need to go to where they are because they’ve decided not to go to come to my house so I’ve got to go to their house now.

“And what’s the best way to go to their house? Why don’t I take one of our top selling games, which has already blown up the marketplace, it’s already been out there for 18 months or 24 months, there’s no real retail activity against that title, I’m not trading off one sale for another, and bring that to the personal computer platform and let them have an idea – you guys choose not to come to PlayStation but let me show you what you’re missing.”

For Layden, “there’s no losing in this transaction” as PC game sales aren’t coming at the expense of console software purchases, and ideally they might encourage PC players to buy a console down the line.

“It’s a way of outreach, that’s how I see it – trying to get to the people that the platform doesn’t currently speak to,” he said.

@Martsmall 4 top graphics cards in the last steam survey (sep 21)

Gtx 1060
Gtx 1050
Gtx 1060ti
Gtx 2060

All of them less powerful than a ps5. DF have said the ps5 is roughly equivalent to a gtx 2070 super. It's 9th on the list. So a hell of a lot of pc gamers will be playing a worse version of gow if in fact they can.
And steam is a place for gamers. Most pc's in the world never see a game in their lives.

@Martsmall 1.6 billion pc owners are not top end gamers. Look on the steam hardware statistics. Most pc's in the world will not play GOW 2018. And let's not forget when the developers start really using the ps5 and it's features your going to need a good rig to keep up.

@Martsmall sony sold around 330 million games last year. They have said 71% of their games sales are now digital. That's where they make the most money, people buying games through their PS store. People buying FIFA, cod, battlefield, Assassins creed through their store and them taking a cut. They need people to buy the consoles and have them sat in their lounges. They are not going to do anything to jeopardise that.
Don't think they will go day one until its streaming only. Then everyone will just have a xbox, ps and Nintendo app on their tv/ laptop phone etc.

@Martsmall because they might play GOW 2018 and really love it. Might want to really play the new one that's coming out and don't want to wait 1-2 years to play it.

@Martsmall I think their goal is to make money, spread the brand and maybe sell some extra consoles to pc players that might never have bought one. Makes sense to me.

@BRUTALSAM fact remains your going to have to pay £1500 to get a similar spec PC. I've been gaming on pc's for over 25 years and yes it has its advantages but it also has disadvantages. Yeah online is free, but it's also full of hackers/ cheaters. I've really enjoyed playing on a closed eco system since getting the ps4 and now the ps5. Also like not having to update my graphics card every 4-5 years and checking what the minimum specs are. You buy a console, you know it will play every game until the next one comes out.
Its great you love the PC so much, me personally I'm looking forward to playing all the big Sony games coming out in 2022, I'm sure they will look great on your PC in 2023/4/5

@justemu so at the start of next year we're getting Horizon forbidden west, gt7, forspoken, ghost wire tokyo, stray, sifu. And hopefully sometime in the year the new GOW and final fantasy 16. And the PC is just getting GOW2018! Plus they have 25 games in development with nearly half being new IP, but yeah they are definitely making the PC their top priority 🙄

@Carl-G you do realise it was Shawn Layden that started the strategy to port games to pc. He just said so himself in an interview and his reasons for it. Jim Ryan is just carrying it out.

Definitely my game of the year so far. I'm not normally into rogue like games, but this one just grabbed me and I couldn't put it down. It's not just the sound and visuals, it's the way the game feels to play(especially with the dualsense) that few games can match.

@lolwhatno my bad, I'm obviously to old for some of these forums. Should have asked my kids!

@lolwhatno I take it you have facts to back up that statement? Most of the people who buy and play on consoles have no interest in pc gaming. And I say this as a pc gamer for over 25 years.
Sony put HZD on pc over 18 months ago, then days gone, and we knew GOW was getting ported aswell and still it's the fastest selling Sony console of all time. As long as they don't go day and date the demand will be high for a long long time.
I'd bet that the ps5 will comfortably out sell the ps4.

Been playing it since Saturday when my copy arrived early. So far it's been a really great experience and I think they got the tone of the movies spot on. Lots of banter between the guardians and I've laughed quite a few times. Looks impressive too.
Combat for me is good but not great, starlords weapon feels like a pea shooter at times but I suppose that's why you've got to use the rest of the team. And I personally don't like the huddles because it brings the action to a stop. But the following music is great!
Overall though it's just been a fun game so far. Definitely between an 8 to 9.

@theheadofabroom so far I'm really enjoying it on the whole. If you like the films I think they got the tone right. Lots of banter between the guardians and has made me laugh a few times. The dialogue does give you options, I'm only on chapter 3 so not sure how much it effects the story. But I had Drax throw rocket across a canyon and it told me rocket was pi##ed at me and would remember it. And I did help a character through a dialogue choice and they gave me something that could be very useful, so I do think it should have replayability.
Graphics wise I think it looks very good for the most part, and the characters look great. Runs lovely on my ps5 but I have had a few frame stutters(probably a patch will sort that). Combat is fun but I'm not blown away, very chaotic and so far it's been in small environments. That might change though and the characters do have lots of different moves to unlock in skill trees. They obviously fight the enemies, but you can command them to carry out special moves.
So far I'm really enjoying it and it gives me what I hoped it would, a fun experience and engaging story. It's at least an 8.
And best of all, no micro transactions 👍🙂

@theheadofabroom my Internet's not that bad 😁. I'll let you know how it plays! 👍

@Tsushima my copy of guardians of the galaxy just dropped through my front door too! Nice surprise! Just installing it now and the 6gb day one patch! So that's me sorted for the weekend!

@Coltaine22 I think your completely correct, if this strategy starts to hurt ps5 sales it will stop. But I don't believe selling older games to a new audience will hurt sales enough to out weigh the benefits.
And it was Shawn Layden that started this strategy (look at my post 283 for his interview a few weeks ago), Jim Ryan is just carrying it out. I think Shawn makes some very good reasons for doing these ports.

@Oscarjpc I didn't say they only make one sort of game, you did! I think they make some very different types of games and are already trying to boarden out this generation, especially on the multiplayer side. Just the other month they stated they have 25 games in development and nearly half of them are new IP's! Is that enough for you? Doesn't sound too grim to me! You must have missed that!
And how am I buttering up PlayStation? You think they are reading this forum? I just think your being very over the top about them porting over old games, potentially bringing in more customers!
At the end of the day we're just taking about computer games, nothing worth getting all upset about. I personally have a series x sat next to my ps5 and a switch upstairs. I just love playing great games on whatever box they are on. Lifes too short to have loyalty to a billion dollar corporation.

@Oscarjpc but they have no erosion of customers? They have the hottest gaming console on the market, that has been their most successful console launch in Sony's history. They literally can't make the ps5 fast enough. And this is 18Months after they started porting over games to the pc, we all knew this was coming and still people want their console!
Brand loyalty only goes so far. They don't owe you anything, and you don't owe them anything. There is nothing stopping you saying nah, I'm going xbox this generation! They make a product, you can to choose to buy it or not. Sounds to me like you don't like them or their product anymore and have no interest in their games so I wonder why your so bothered? Sounds like your time with Sony is done, hope you find the games your looking for elsewhere. 👍

Edit: I'll just add that those crap over the shoulder derivative games you dislike so much are the reason they sold 116 million ps4's, that they are what the core fans want. To ditch them to make games like Sound Shapes or Tokyo Jungle would go against what these core players want. But then I guess your not a marketing genius either!

@PC_Peasant Ex PlayStation boss Shawn Layden in an interview 2 weeks ago.

“The idea of going to PC—and I don’t think you’ll ever see PlayStation do a day and date with PC, but you know, never say never—but the strategy as we were developing it when I was there was that we need to go out to where these new customers are, these new fans could be,” he said.

“We need to go to where they are because they’ve decided not to go to come to my house so I’ve got to go to their house now.

“And what’s the best way to go to their house? Why don’t I take one of our top selling games, which has already blown up the marketplace, it’s already been out there for 18 months or 24 months, there’s no real retail activity against that title, I’m not trading off one sale for another, and bring that to the personal computer platform and let them have an idea – you guys choose not to come to PlayStation but let me show you what you’re missing.”

For Layden, “there’s no losing in this transaction” as PC game sales aren’t coming at the expense of console software purchases, and ideally they might encourage PC players to buy a console down the line.

“It’s a way of outreach, that’s how I see it – trying to get to the people that the platform doesn’t currently speak to,” he said.

So Jim Ryan is just carrying on from Shawn's planning and strategy. I think he makes compete sense in this interview. And if you think destroying a brand is having the hottest selling bit of tech in the world right now, and Sony having their biggest 1st quarter revenue in the history of the company then..... 🤷

@Link41x well at least that will give someone else more of a chance to buy one. 👍

@ShogunRok I believe it sold 716000 in its first month and it's over a million now. Like you say it's a good business decision to port over old games. That's potentially a million more customers that may be tempted to buy a ps5 to play the latest sequel. Probably no where near that number but it's smart move to try.