@cainhurst94 if Housemarque become a support studio or feel the need to pitch a live service game due to not moving enough units whilst sinking millions into their game development, let's circle back to this.
Returnal sold less than 2 million copies. Around 1.8 million on PS5. It earned around $9 million on Steam. I think losing that market may hurt but I will continue to support Housemarque with every release. They captured me since Dead Nation.
Edit: Numbers may be lower than that, with some reports of less than 1.1 million copies total, so around 900k copies on PS5.
Selling a few hundred thousand copies (if that) on PC is not worth Sony bastardizing their console in their eyes. It kind of makes sense to me. But console exclusivity isn't as beneficial to developers or publishers as it once was. Especially when everyone on console is playing Fifa and Fortnite. Wouldn't hurt for some more niche games (especially roguelites) to be on PC.
You can't really do what Xbox have done and then reverse it in such short time. It isn't like PS putting a few games onto PC after they've been out for a few years. It would be like Sony buying 25 Bungie's and then putting all the games on all platforms then deciding to halt and cancel all future multi platform releases, wasting money and time to then make them exclusive again. Not possible.
I disagree that Saros should be priced lower than the "premium" £70. Because this is a "AAA" game in all sense of the term and if you played Returnal you know that!
This looks amazing. Looks so much more polished and clean than Returnal does. Returnal is literally one of the best looking games of this gen. Can't wait
Never really understood the hate with this game or its visuals. Breath of fresh air, like Helldivers 2 and Horizon is looking.
As an aside, Horizon Hunters Gathering better get an extra year or so in the tank to iron out some of the issues I am seeing with it. I do think the NCSOFT game should've been the more arcadey one and Guerrilla make the realistic looking one but oh well.
@Orpheus79V if they can somehow get a native handheld that can play PS4, PS5 & PS6 games, use streaming as well as have access to older platforms due to the extensive PS library AND have it at a price between £200 - £300 then Sony have produced probably one of the greatest consoles ever made.
I see it being £300 - £450 though. But yes I agree with you here it cannot be online connection only.
@roe Returnal was definitely unfair. I can remember when I beat the second boss. Got to the third biome and just endlessly being killed by some crawling robot or the drones. Having to go back to the start sucked because coming back to the third biome, your gun either sucks or you haven't picked up anything which leaves you under prepared. So you have to do a bit of each biome to get some equipment and guns and proficiency. Making sure you don't take up too much damage just to get killed 5 minutes into biome three. Probably a skill issue but whatever.
It is just punishing by design but it is one of my favourite games ever. I can't understand being disappointed by these changes. I genuinely feel like Saros might top Returnal. If it does, might be my game of the generation.
@MrMajeeny I just thought it was weird that people were complaining about an optional feature made to reduce power consumption. I think it is helpful as well
@Nep-Nep-Freak oh I see your point. I only slightly agree because the government are very short sighted and can't be trusted.
We should push the technology further because it is helpful and can be used for good. We should also push it because there are use cases that we probably haven't come up with yet. We shouldn't use it now to replace any jobs because it isn't very good. We shouldn't develop the technology in the aims of taking over jobs.
The issue with it is just that when companies figure out AI can do things 30 people were doing, the people will get sacked. The technology is cool but honestly the more productivity use cases for AI that are found, the worse off humanity will be. AI doesn't even need to be 40% as good as a human equivalent for these companies to be satisfied with laying them off.
@Nep-Nep-Freak but isn't the point of the research team to create a process where AI does the checking?
Generative AI in its current form is truly flawed and likes to mislead the user in order to 'achieve' its goal. It always takes the shortest path to 'victory'. This won't be good and would take probably longer than 2027 to be actually useful.
I'm not going to lie, I'm ready for next gen. I like new technologies. This gen was a good step forward compared to what has come before in the technological aspect.
On the flip side, something about the world, the negativity and in terms of games, how long they take to come out has hampered the excitement I had in 2019/20 for this gen. I just don't think gaming in general has that spark anymore (aside from a few niche cases) and seeing how mostly the same generation of adults are the biggest audience in gaming (it is not flowing easily to younger generations), I don't think console gaming as it is will have too many more generations.
@JayJ dude let it go. You got some likes, people agreed with you. I didn’t. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna suddenly agree with you just because others did. I’m past making jokey comments going back and forth with you and I’m worrying for your wellbeing now. Let’s move on 👍🏾
I'll be honest, in some scenes, the visuals look flat and lacking any atmosphere. With the graphical advancements of today, this remake should look a little better IMO.
@JayJ at least I haven’t written essays about power saving features that I don’t have to turn on. I’ve got 1 up on you. I guess I haven’t gotten over myself yet.
@Andy22385 actually any game can consume less power. Even if it is just adjusting the level of detail, resolution, render distance, refresh rate, etc, it can be done. Even for Everybodys Golf.
Look at any game that runs on lets say a Steam Deck. Running at between 3-15 watts, if you compare what the game looks like on that vs on PS5, you will see the differences. Even for Everybodys Golf.
For people it is for. Let's say you have kids + energy bills have gone up + it is the end of the month before pay day. It wouldn't hurt to save some pennies and help the engineers at Sony test their low power functionality for the PS6 portable.
@TrollOfWar it's not day 1 PC, but it will almost guarantee that the PC port is a good one. Expect to see it on PC earliest in mid-late 2027 or early 2028
@guacguacboo this looks infinitely more accessible and forgiving that Returnal. Really excited to get my hands on it, I did think it looked like Returnal a little too much but I played it after the SOP and you know what, I need more Returnal
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare the point is these are single player experiences first. The live service is a big component but it is not the whole product. GT7 has a rich and dense single player component and so does Fifa. Is Ultimate Team important? Yes. But see the depth their career mode and tournament modes have. My point is Sony should look to do more experiences like this. I call them add ons.
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Will it just become PlayStation? PlayStation Online Services? Ew
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Boy Rahul Kohli has come a long way from iZombie
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In other news, water is wet!!
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Unfortunately this game is just flawed on a foundational level. Hope they learn from this
Re: 'No One Is Buying This on PS5': PC Port Begging Already Unbearable as Sony Switches Strategy
@cainhurst94 if Housemarque become a support studio or feel the need to pitch a live service game due to not moving enough units whilst sinking millions into their game development, let's circle back to this.
Returnal sold less than 2 million copies. Around 1.8 million on PS5. It earned around $9 million on Steam. I think losing that market may hurt but I will continue to support Housemarque with every release. They captured me since Dead Nation.
Edit: Numbers may be lower than that, with some reports of less than 1.1 million copies total, so around 900k copies on PS5.
Re: 'No One Is Buying This on PS5': PC Port Begging Already Unbearable as Sony Switches Strategy
Selling a few hundred thousand copies (if that) on PC is not worth Sony bastardizing their console in their eyes. It kind of makes sense to me. But console exclusivity isn't as beneficial to developers or publishers as it once was. Especially when everyone on console is playing Fifa and Fortnite. Wouldn't hurt for some more niche games (especially roguelites) to be on PC.
Re: 'Exclusives Are Absolutely Not Happening': Xbox Helix Will Share Library with PS6
You can't really do what Xbox have done and then reverse it in such short time. It isn't like PS putting a few games onto PC after they've been out for a few years. It would be like Sony buying 25 Bungie's and then putting all the games on all platforms then deciding to halt and cancel all future multi platform releases, wasting money and time to then make them exclusive again. Not possible.
Re: Out Today: Marathon's PS5 Launch Puts Sony's $3B Live Service Gamble to the Test
@nomither6 making a poster for games you want to flop is really some strange online activity. The world needs healing
Re: Out Today: Marathon's PS5 Launch Puts Sony's $3B Live Service Gamble to the Test
Some of you need to look in the mirror and love yourselves
Re: Saros Offers Up Another Crumb of Delicious PS5 Gameplay Footage
@Bob_Tempura Sorry but I disagree.
I agree that all games should be cheaper.
I disagree that Saros should be priced lower than the "premium" £70. Because this is a "AAA" game in all sense of the term and if you played Returnal you know that!
Re: Saros Offers Up Another Crumb of Delicious PS5 Gameplay Footage
@Carnage the post launch update is amazing. Play the tower and do a co-op run with someone. Such fun!
Re: Saros Offers Up Another Crumb of Delicious PS5 Gameplay Footage
This looks amazing. Looks so much more polished and clean than Returnal does. Returnal is literally one of the best looking games of this gen. Can't wait
Re: Sony Returns to PlayStation Exclusivity and Stops Single Player PC Ports, New Report Says
This isn't the good news people think it is sadly lmao
Re: Marathon Server Slam Gets Underway Today - Here's Everything You Need to Know
Never really understood the hate with this game or its visuals. Breath of fresh air, like Helldivers 2 and Horizon is looking.
As an aside, Horizon Hunters Gathering better get an extra year or so in the tank to iron out some of the issues I am seeing with it. I do think the NCSOFT game should've been the more arcadey one and Guerrilla make the realistic looking one but oh well.
Re: Sony Considering PS6 Delay to 2028 or Even 2029, New Report Says
@Orpheus79V if they can somehow get a native handheld that can play PS4, PS5 & PS6 games, use streaming as well as have access to older platforms due to the extensive PS library AND have it at a price between £200 - £300 then Sony have produced probably one of the greatest consoles ever made.
I see it being £300 - £450 though. But yes I agree with you here it cannot be online connection only.
Re: Sony Considering PS6 Delay to 2028 or Even 2029, New Reports Says
By the way, the first paragraph reads: "Sony is considering delaying the launch of the PS5 ..."
Should say PS6.
Either way this is good but I really want the portable console now.
Re: Saros Shaves Off Returnal's Rough Edges for a More Universally Appealing PS5 Roguelite
@roe Returnal was definitely unfair. I can remember when I beat the second boss. Got to the third biome and just endlessly being killed by some crawling robot or the drones. Having to go back to the start sucked because coming back to the third biome, your gun either sucks or you haven't picked up anything which leaves you under prepared. So you have to do a bit of each biome to get some equipment and guns and proficiency. Making sure you don't take up too much damage just to get killed 5 minutes into biome three. Probably a skill issue but whatever.
It is just punishing by design but it is one of my favourite games ever. I can't understand being disappointed by these changes. I genuinely feel like Saros might top Returnal. If it does, might be my game of the generation.
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@MrMajeeny I just thought it was weird that people were complaining about an optional feature made to reduce power consumption. I think it is helpful as well
Re: PS5 Exclusive Saros Delayed, But Pre-Orders Are Live Right Now
Returnal released on the same day in 2021 I believe!
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Is David Cage gone? What happened to star wars?
Re: PS5 Welcome Hub Update Adds New Stat Tracking, Backgrounds
@nomither6 XMB comeback for PS6 would be stellar
Re: Superhero Adventure Dispatch Projected to Hit Three-Year Sales Target in Three Months
I pray this studio learns from Telltale and doesn't just make the same game over and over again.
Re: GTA 6 Delayed Again, Pushed Back to November 2026
@Dan12836666 you see that as a 2027 release?
Re: GTA 6 Delayed Again, Pushed Back to November 2026
ND's Intergalactic is in big trouble!!!
Re: Square Enix Wants 70% of Its QA and Debugging Work Done by Gen AI
@Nep-Nep-Freak oh I see your point. I only slightly agree because the government are very short sighted and can't be trusted.
We should push the technology further because it is helpful and can be used for good. We should also push it because there are use cases that we probably haven't come up with yet. We shouldn't use it now to replace any jobs because it isn't very good. We shouldn't develop the technology in the aims of taking over jobs.
The issue with it is just that when companies figure out AI can do things 30 people were doing, the people will get sacked. The technology is cool but honestly the more productivity use cases for AI that are found, the worse off humanity will be. AI doesn't even need to be 40% as good as a human equivalent for these companies to be satisfied with laying them off.
Re: Square Enix Wants 70% of Its QA and Debugging Work Done by Gen AI
@Nep-Nep-Freak but isn't the point of the research team to create a process where AI does the checking?
Generative AI in its current form is truly flawed and likes to mislead the user in order to 'achieve' its goal. It always takes the shortest path to 'victory'. This won't be good and would take probably longer than 2027 to be actually useful.
Re: Saints Row Prequel Could Be on the Cards as Original Dev Is Asked for Pitch
Kill it with fire. Just move on to something new. SR was always a smaller scope game. Not an AAA.
In this day and age, Embracer won't greenlight it unless it is AAA scope with inflated budgets, length and nonsense.
Re: 'It Happens on PS5': New PlayStation Adverts Mark Five Years of PS5
I'm not going to lie, I'm ready for next gen. I like new technologies. This gen was a good step forward compared to what has come before in the technological aspect.
On the flip side, something about the world, the negativity and in terms of games, how long they take to come out has hampered the excitement I had in 2019/20 for this gen. I just don't think gaming in general has that spark anymore (aside from a few niche cases) and seeing how mostly the same generation of adults are the biggest audience in gaming (it is not flowing easily to younger generations), I don't think console gaming as it is will have too many more generations.
Re: Talking Point: Is PS5 Really in Competition with TikTok?
@Deljo I'm not proud to admit but sometimes I'm the same. Such a shame I don't hop on my PS5 more than I used to.
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@JayJ dude let it go. You got some likes, people agreed with you. I didn’t. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna suddenly agree with you just because others did. I’m past making jokey comments going back and forth with you and I’m worrying for your wellbeing now. Let’s move on 👍🏾
Re: Millions Tune in for Halo PS5's Reveal on PlayStation's Social Media Accounts
I'll be honest, in some scenes, the visuals look flat and lacking any atmosphere. With the graphical advancements of today, this remake should look a little better IMO.
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@JayJ yes, how very antisocial of me to comment about a pointless comment you made 🫡
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@JayJ at least I haven’t written essays about power saving features that I don’t have to turn on. I’ve got 1 up on you. I guess I haven’t gotten over myself yet.
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@JayJ I got ratio'd??? Oh no 😱😱. My life has come to an end!..
Can you imagine being JayJ and writing essays about power saving features that you don't have to turn on and ratioing people. I bet he's so cool!
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Work hard on a better, more modern engine that isn't trying to render things far away from the player leading to constant resource drain first please.
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@JohntheRaptor it was a pointless comment. Simple. Move on. Thanks
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@JayJ by writing exams and essays on things that actually mattered. Not about using a power saving function that is optional.
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@Andy22385 yea. Weak or not, we can always push lower
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@Papasears1982 that’s where the pro comes in 😂
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@Andy22385 actually any game can consume less power. Even if it is just adjusting the level of detail, resolution, render distance, refresh rate, etc, it can be done. Even for Everybodys Golf.
Look at any game that runs on lets say a Steam Deck. Running at between 3-15 watts, if you compare what the game looks like on that vs on PS5, you will see the differences. Even for Everybodys Golf.
For people it is for. Let's say you have kids + energy bills have gone up + it is the end of the month before pay day. It wouldn't hurt to save some pennies and help the engineers at Sony test their low power functionality for the PS6 portable.
Re: All PS5 Games with Power Saver Support
@JayJ if it's such a pointless feature why write an essay about it when you don't have to turn it on lmao
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@zekepliskin you must be new because they've been doing PS update articles since PS3 days
Re: Nixxes Confirms It's Working Alongside Housemarque on PS5 Shooter Saros
@TrollOfWar it's not day 1 PC, but it will almost guarantee that the PC port is a good one. Expect to see it on PC earliest in mid-late 2027 or early 2028
Re: Saros Launches Exclusively on PS5 in March 2026, and It Looks Fantastic in First Gameplay
@guacguacboo this looks infinitely more accessible and forgiving that Returnal. Really excited to get my hands on it, I did think it looked like Returnal a little too much but I played it after the SOP and you know what, I need more Returnal
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Bit short but tbh based on previous SOPs, I'm okay with it. Saros gameplay is all I'm after, my backlog is way too big for new game announcements
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@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare if it's open world then they better keep with Decima Engine
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Day 1 babeyyyy
Re: Nerfed PS5 Console Silently Releases with Less Storage Space
@Porco I agree, it sucks how everything is going up or staying the same but what you get is less. Shrinkflation everywhere.
Re: Nerfed PS5 Console Silently Releases with Less Storage Space
Those of us that got it at launch at 825gb do not even care lmao
Re: Ghost of Yotei Legends Multiplayer Drops as Free DLC in 2026, New Story Trailer Is a Stunner
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare the point is these are single player experiences first. The live service is a big component but it is not the whole product. GT7 has a rich and dense single player component and so does Fifa. Is Ultimate Team important? Yes. But see the depth their career mode and tournament modes have. My point is Sony should look to do more experiences like this. I call them add ons.