@PuppetMaster lesson for Sony, there's a route in making live service games not need to be massive standalone projects. Some can exist as add ons and evolve, some can exist as standalone. Look at GT7, Fifa, MLB, all have live service components that are add ons.
@Oram77 still feel as though inFamous 1 had as deep and groundbreaking an effect on me. A flawed game on so many counts but can't decide which I prefer between it and Ghost. I love them so much.
@somnambulance I fear that PS6 will be a massive own goal from Sony. The way they're going, it's just going to be filled with cancellations, high prices, games with over inflated budgets that don't push boundaries. I just hope they can become a tight woven machine again
@graymamba it's crazy because case studies exist on how streaming and subscription ruined the music industry, movies, TV and everything it touches. I am all for people paying less for services but not when it comes at a cost to jobs, quality and game budgets
@somnambulance yeah man we got so much backlog as well, I find it hard to play everything I want to! Yet to try Alan Wake, game looks bonkers so maybe when I get to Control I'll just go straight into AW2 after that. I'm really excited for Ghosts of Yotei, DS2 and System Shock 2.
I'm glad I'm not the only one with that Apex feeling because everyone I speak to about it loves the game. I feel like I'm being gaslit
@somnambulance yeah, easy to be doom and gloom about it, as many do on this site, but I think gaming is in a good place at the moment. What needs to improve though is devs and publishers limiting the amount of money they pour into games and adjusting their estimations on returns so it is commercially viable for smaller and mid size games to thrive.
About Apex, I don't know what it is about that game but it is some of the least fun I've had in live service. And I've played Destruction All-Stars (not boring but after two rounds gets old fast). I don't know if its the unengaging premise of a gameplay loop that involves shooting, running and shooting again or the fact it plays like a loose adaptation of Titanfall but I simply don't like that game lmao.
I agree with what is said. Look at a movie ticket, paying for a standard viewing at a basic cinema can be £10. That is a 2 hour movie. Extrapolate that to a 20 hour experience, you are paying £100. Extrapolate that to a 40 hour RPG experience and you are paying £200. So I see where he is coming from. But, no one is happy to pay over £60 on games. £50 was a sweet spot. If it gets too expensive, you will limit it to enthusiasts.
@somnambulance I agree with you, they were more fun. Or at least, the fun that they output resonated more with us. I see people enjoy those games that you listed and they have a lot of fun with it. But for me, I haven't had fun playing Fortnite since 2018 when it came out, COD was only fun for me when I was playing zombies with friends, I dislike Apex quite a lot.
I agree with you, but I think those new live service games are still fun, but for a different audience.
@somnambulance I assume that the issue that publishers see with this is with the rising cost of game content, assets, motion capture and the like, they assume that with the single player portion it would have to be of such a high production that the budget would just blow past something viable. Like your example, COD, look at how much it costs to make a COD game with a 4-5 hour campaign. So, I'm sure there is a way of doing this so it isn't so expensive, but it is clear that devs and publishers have not discovered it. For me, in a live service game, just give me some basic 4-6 hour campaign and I will be more than happy but with the fans on here that can't stand live service, I'm sure that won't be enough and something with the highest production values and at least 12 hours would be more their style which would only end up right back where the problem is. Too expensive. I guess I answered my question.
@thefourfoldroot1 great games ARE designed to keep you trapped lmao. Key thing about game development is creating engaging gameplay loops that keep players hooked.
It does not need a remaster, just update the app to run at 60fps on PS5. Knowing R* we will get a £40 release with the exact same content and only difference will be RT GI. Just make it 60fps please R*
Unfortunately my comment is buried so doubt anyone will read it, but does anyone feel like the answer to appeasing fans when Sony puts out Live Service games is to have a single player portion of the game, like a campaign?
How is any of this pretentious lmao. The guy simply wants to create a game that isn't the same souless, empty, husk of a game as many others people love to play. He's mindful of not making a commercial failure and he's done that, what is pretentious here?
@AK4tywill yeah Starhawk was a banger. I can't say I poured anywhere as near hours into that as I did Warhawk. It was such a shame that a lot of the audience didn't follow over to Starhawk as the lobby load times were egregious at times! Yet Warhawk like 10 years after it released still had full lobbies lmao.
Starhawk 2 would be amazing but as you said, Incognito Entertainment have been long gone and I have never heard any news about Light Box, so it's a big shame really.
@Northern_munkey I literally said the games are not similar. I mean more of the feeling I get when playing the games. Can't explain it, just feel good vibes and the ease of playing with random people yet having a good time is there. Like Warhawk.
TBH they already told us this was happening. I think going forward, at the end of each SOP, it would make sense if they let us know when the next one will be and roughly what content will be there (PSVR 2 games, PS5 games, extended showcase on a game etc.,).
I have low hopes for this. Series should've followed and expanded on the gameplay systems introduced in Mafia 2. Hangar 13 do not fill me with confidence. It'll be a pretty game though!
Marketing for this has such a hard job of shifting people's already negative perception of a live service shooter. Especially with Concord. Hopefully they know what NOT to do and how to deliver.
It's somewhat true with all these middling games we see these days. There are a LOT of devs that simply don't have a high skillset. Doesn't mean they deserve to lose their jobs but not every game should target AAA. If publishers weren't as greedy as they are, then maybe things like this won't happen and devs can grow, allowing for a higher spread of talent through the industry.
@wiiware I feel like it would cheapen the game for me personally, I would want a new and different look, but I can understand why you'd want some of Snake's likeness and concept to be part of the new game's protagonist. He is bad ass
@Vovander TLOU Part II might be the only game I've seen to execute kill animations so well. So specific and so many people don't care but I love that attention to detail
@Godot25 hopefully! But Respawn alone got the 3rd Jedi game and a Star Wars strategy game in development. Maybe that's what was cancelled but for now I guess it's Star Wars for them.
@Vovander for me the worst thing in gaming is when an enemy is doing their walking/idle animation then snap into some different position because you pressed the kill button. Wish kill animations have evolved from the days of 2005 with amazing motion matching tech, but no where to be seen.
@rpg2000 thanks and lmao exactly! I can't blame people for not understanding too much about business and finance but maybe they should do some research before posting those comments about how this company should have done this or that.
This will do well IMO. Don't have a great track record for predicting games as what appeals to me is clearly different to the mainstream but the potential idea of this seems unique enough yet compelling enough to capture a chunk of players.
I hope people realise that Sony are on the board for Kadokawa, as per their recent investment into the company. Sony can fight against a hostile takeover by buying shares at a reduced price or even at no price. Tencent will have to buy them at market price meaning the price per share will increase as they buy more - unless they make a deal with the board.
So, comments like "Sony should have bought the whole thing" lack nuance.
Everything indicates that yes they will. Spencer already said they won't be doing what they usually do and rumours from 2023/24 already stated they had finalised plans for their portable hardware. Xbox could have a huge success on their hands for their next consoles due to moving away from traditional console form factor, and targeting the portable hybird market. Gamepass is suited for this as it means you just pay a monthly fee and play as many games on the go as you'd like. Could see them having big wins if played correctly.
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Re: Ghost of Yotei Legends Multiplayer Drops as Free DLC in 2026, New Story Trailer Is a Stunner
@PuppetMaster lesson for Sony, there's a route in making live service games not need to be massive standalone projects. Some can exist as add ons and evolve, some can exist as standalone. Look at GT7, Fifa, MLB, all have live service components that are add ons.
Re: Rumour: Leaked PS6 Specs Reveal Affordable, Power Efficient Next-Gen Console for 2027
£499 would be insane
Re: Poll: 5 Years Later, What Do You Think of Ghost of Tsushima?
@Oram77 still feel as though inFamous 1 had as deep and groundbreaking an effect on me. A flawed game on so many counts but can't decide which I prefer between it and Ghost. I love them so much.
Re: 'Competition Pushes Us to Innovate': Sony Weighs in on Xbox's Potential Exit from Console Business
@somnambulance I fear that PS6 will be a massive own goal from Sony. The way they're going, it's just going to be filled with cancellations, high prices, games with over inflated budgets that don't push boundaries. I just hope they can become a tight woven machine again
Re: 'People Are Less Willing to Pay': Dev Speaks Out Against Day One Releases on PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass
@graymamba it's crazy because case studies exist on how streaming and subscription ruined the music industry, movies, TV and everything it touches. I am all for people paying less for services but not when it comes at a cost to jobs, quality and game budgets
Re: Days Gone Remastered Gets Another Update on PS5, Here Are the Patch Notes
Bend should do another open world game. They got the sauce. Not sure about zombies but wouldn't be mad at it
Re: Like It or Loathe It, This Is Why Sony Won't Stop Trying to Make Live Service Games for PS5
@somnambulance yeah man we got so much backlog as well, I find it hard to play everything I want to! Yet to try Alan Wake, game looks bonkers so maybe when I get to Control I'll just go straight into AW2 after that. I'm really excited for Ghosts of Yotei, DS2 and System Shock 2.
I'm glad I'm not the only one with that Apex feeling because everyone I speak to about it loves the game. I feel like I'm being gaslit
Re: Like It or Loathe It, This Is Why Sony Won't Stop Trying to Make Live Service Games for PS5
@somnambulance yeah, easy to be doom and gloom about it, as many do on this site, but I think gaming is in a good place at the moment. What needs to improve though is devs and publishers limiting the amount of money they pour into games and adjusting their estimations on returns so it is commercially viable for smaller and mid size games to thrive.
About Apex, I don't know what it is about that game but it is some of the least fun I've had in live service. And I've played Destruction All-Stars (not boring but after two rounds gets old fast). I don't know if its the unengaging premise of a gameplay loop that involves shooting, running and shooting again or the fact it plays like a loose adaptation of Titanfall but I simply don't like that game lmao.
Re: Beloved Ex-PlayStation Boss Believes $70, $80 Games Are a Steal
I agree with what is said. Look at a movie ticket, paying for a standard viewing at a basic cinema can be £10. That is a 2 hour movie. Extrapolate that to a 20 hour experience, you are paying £100. Extrapolate that to a 40 hour RPG experience and you are paying £200. So I see where he is coming from. But, no one is happy to pay over £60 on games. £50 was a sweet spot. If it gets too expensive, you will limit it to enthusiasts.
Re: Like It or Loathe It, This Is Why Sony Won't Stop Trying to Make Live Service Games for PS5
@somnambulance I agree with you, they were more fun. Or at least, the fun that they output resonated more with us. I see people enjoy those games that you listed and they have a lot of fun with it. But for me, I haven't had fun playing Fortnite since 2018 when it came out, COD was only fun for me when I was playing zombies with friends, I dislike Apex quite a lot.
I agree with you, but I think those new live service games are still fun, but for a different audience.
Re: Like It or Loathe It, This Is Why Sony Won't Stop Trying to Make Live Service Games for PS5
@somnambulance I assume that the issue that publishers see with this is with the rising cost of game content, assets, motion capture and the like, they assume that with the single player portion it would have to be of such a high production that the budget would just blow past something viable. Like your example, COD, look at how much it costs to make a COD game with a 4-5 hour campaign. So, I'm sure there is a way of doing this so it isn't so expensive, but it is clear that devs and publishers have not discovered it. For me, in a live service game, just give me some basic 4-6 hour campaign and I will be more than happy but with the fans on here that can't stand live service, I'm sure that won't be enough and something with the highest production values and at least 12 hours would be more their style which would only end up right back where the problem is. Too expensive. I guess I answered my question.
Re: Sony to Focus on PS5 Engagement, First-Party Showing Greater Financial Discipline
@thefourfoldroot1 great games ARE designed to keep you trapped lmao. Key thing about game development is creating engaging gameplay loops that keep players hooked.
Re: Rumours of a Red Dead Redemption 2 PS5 Version Swirl Again
It does not need a remaster, just update the app to run at 60fps on PS5. Knowing R* we will get a £40 release with the exact same content and only difference will be RT GI. Just make it 60fps please R*
Re: Like It or Loathe It, This Is Why Sony Won't Stop Trying to Make Live Service Games for PS5
Unfortunately my comment is buried so doubt anyone will read it, but does anyone feel like the answer to appeasing fans when Sony puts out Live Service games is to have a single player portion of the game, like a campaign?
Re: Ex-GTA Boss' PS5 Shooter MindsEye Gets a Tiny Gameplay Trailer, with Launch Just Weeks Away
The one thing I am interested in is the user generation and the "Everywhere" system
Re: Ex-GTA Boss' PS5 Shooter MindsEye Gets a Tiny Gameplay Trailer, with Launch Just Weeks Away
@GirlVersusGame it's a PS4 game through and through. The ragdoll tuned to 100 just makes it look janky as hell lmao
Re: Ex-GTA Boss' PS5 Shooter MindsEye Gets a Tiny Gameplay Trailer, with Launch Just Weeks Away
@Korgon It is a faux/semi open linear game like Mafia 1/2
Re: Internal Death Stranding 2 Reviews Are Tracking Much Higher Than the First Game, But Kojima Isn't Pleased
How is any of this pretentious lmao. The guy simply wants to create a game that isn't the same souless, empty, husk of a game as many others people love to play. He's mindful of not making a commercial failure and he's done that, what is pretentious here?
Re: Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Bombed So Hard, Warner Bros' Games Revenue Still Hasn't Recovered
They won't recover until Hogwarts 2 comes out. Still can't believe they cancelled Monolith from existence.
Re: Helldivers 2 Continues to Be Sony's Most Successful Live Service by a Mile
@AK4tywill yeah Starhawk was a banger. I can't say I poured anywhere as near hours into that as I did Warhawk. It was such a shame that a lot of the audience didn't follow over to Starhawk as the lobby load times were egregious at times! Yet Warhawk like 10 years after it released still had full lobbies lmao.
Starhawk 2 would be amazing but as you said, Incognito Entertainment have been long gone and I have never heard any news about Light Box, so it's a big shame really.
Re: Helldivers 2 Continues to Be Sony's Most Successful Live Service by a Mile
@Northern_munkey I literally said the games are not similar. I mean more of the feeling I get when playing the games. Can't explain it, just feel good vibes and the ease of playing with random people yet having a good time is there. Like Warhawk.
Re: Helldivers 2 Continues to Be Sony's Most Successful Live Service by a Mile
My love for this game can never die. Game is not similar but feels like playing Warhawk again
Re: Mafia: The Old Country Ditches Open World for Linear, Story-Based Gameplay on PS5
Could have had it semi-open like Mafia 2. I find it weird that it's now looking more like Uncharted than Mafia. Looks interesting though.
Re: Returnal, One of This Gen's Best Games, Gets a Massive PS5 Pro Upgrade
@torquex you can play online co-op. Personally, I love playing it solo but it's another level playing it co-op.
Re: State of Play Set for Wednesday, 20 Minutes of Borderlands 4 Gameplay
TBH they already told us this was happening. I think going forward, at the end of each SOP, it would make sense if they let us know when the next one will be and roughly what content will be there (PSVR 2 games, PS5 games, extended showcase on a game etc.,).
Re: Rumour: Until Dawn Dev's Unannounced Blade Runner PS6, PS5 Game Cancelled
@1UP-HUSKY same. I think I'll bite with the PS6 Portable thing but not looking to get rid of my PS5 at least until 2030
Re: Rumour: Until Dawn Dev's Unannounced Blade Runner PS6, PS5 Game Cancelled
What a fast turn around that would've been! 3 years from pre-production to finish??
Re: Ghost of Yotei Gets PS5 Release Date, Trailer, Pre-Order Details
Day 1. GTA VI and this to carry me into 2026
Re: Marathon Maker Thinks Players Are Too Toxic for Proximity Chat in New PS5 Game
Eh I agree but also let it be an option
Re: Mafia: The Old Country Release Date Leaked, Out 8th August on PS5
I have low hopes for this. Series should've followed and expanded on the gameplay systems introduced in Mafia 2. Hangar 13 do not fill me with confidence. It'll be a pretty game though!
Re: Ex-PlayStation, Bloodborne Producer Opens New Studio for 'High-End Console' Games
@bossuche9 you think Japan Studio had a bigger hand in making Demon Souls Remake?
Re: MLB The Show 25 (PS5) - Moreish Baseball Sim Has Another Strong Year
@Fandabidozi2025 only a matter of time before we see some graphical updates. Those player models are PES 2015 levels of waxy
Re: Bungie Will Reveal Its Next PS5 Game Marathon on 12th April
Marketing for this has such a hard job of shifting people's already negative perception of a live service shooter. Especially with Concord. Hopefully they know what NOT to do and how to deliver.
Re: Saints Row Team Thrown Under the Bus: 'They Didn't Know What They Were Building'
It's somewhat true with all these middling games we see these days. There are a LOT of devs that simply don't have a high skillset. Doesn't mean they deserve to lose their jobs but not every game should target AAA. If publishers weren't as greedy as they are, then maybe things like this won't happen and devs can grow, allowing for a higher spread of talent through the industry.
Re: Kojima Said Death Stranding 2 Actor Would Be the Spitting Image of Solid Snake in a Bandana, So He Made It Happen
@wiiware I feel like it would cheapen the game for me personally, I would want a new and different look, but I can understand why you'd want some of Snake's likeness and concept to be part of the new game's protagonist. He is bad ass
Re: 20 Whole Minutes of Assassin's Creed Shadows PS5 Gameplay Looks Supremely Polished
@Coffeeglitch couldn't have said it better myself!
Re: Kojima Said Death Stranding 2 Actor Would Be the Spitting Image of Solid Snake in a Bandana, So He Made It Happen
@wiiware would be nice to see Kojima reference MGS in Physint, but not by having the main protagonist look like Snake imo.
Re: 20 Whole Minutes of Assassin's Creed Shadows PS5 Gameplay Looks Supremely Polished
@Coffeeglitch above all it looks fun. And looks like that Yasuke not being able to do much compared to Naoe was addressed quite well in this video.
Re: Respawn Entertainment Cancels Mysterious FPS Game
@Godot25 ah the RTS is a partnership. Gotcha! Well, hopefully next gen, Respawn can bring a Titanfall sequel that actually sells well
Re: 20 Whole Minutes of Assassin's Creed Shadows PS5 Gameplay Looks Supremely Polished
@Vovander TLOU Part II might be the only game I've seen to execute kill animations so well. So specific and so many people don't care but I love that attention to detail
Re: Respawn Entertainment Cancels Mysterious FPS Game
@Godot25 hopefully! But Respawn alone got the 3rd Jedi game and a Star Wars strategy game in development. Maybe that's what was cancelled but for now I guess it's Star Wars for them.
Re: Respawn Entertainment Cancels Mysterious FPS Game
@anoyonmus that was cancelled last year. Respawn gonna be stuck making Star Wars games for the foreseeable future IMO
Re: 20 Whole Minutes of Assassin's Creed Shadows PS5 Gameplay Looks Supremely Polished
@Vovander for me the worst thing in gaming is when an enemy is doing their walking/idle animation then snap into some different position because you pressed the kill button. Wish kill animations have evolved from the days of 2005 with amazing motion matching tech, but no where to be seen.
Re: 20 Whole Minutes of Assassin's Creed Shadows PS5 Gameplay Looks Supremely Polished
@Coffeeglitch I think it'll do well. I'm interested to see, have you changed your mind on this? Or you think it won't be enough?
Re: PS5 Pro Hands Assassin's Creed Shadows 3 Exclusive Graphics Modes
@OldGamer999 I think 1440p is more than good enough. Allow the extra power to boost the image quality instead
Re: Tencent Increases Stake in FromSoftware Parent, Closing the Gap on Sony
@rpg2000 thanks and lmao exactly! I can't blame people for not understanding too much about business and finance but maybe they should do some research before posting those comments about how this company should have done this or that.
Re: Release Window for Anticipated Superhero Game Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra Seemingly Revealed
I absolutely hate the name of this game. Hope they change it
Re: Horizon Online Snaffles Bungie's Design Lead As Guerrilla Builds All-Star Team Around Live Service PS5 Game
This will do well IMO. Don't have a great track record for predicting games as what appeals to me is clearly different to the mainstream but the potential idea of this seems unique enough yet compelling enough to capture a chunk of players.
Re: Tencent Increases Stake in FromSoftware Parent, Closing the Gap on Sony
I hope people realise that Sony are on the board for Kadokawa, as per their recent investment into the company. Sony can fight against a hostile takeover by buying shares at a reduced price or even at no price. Tencent will have to buy them at market price meaning the price per share will increase as they buy more - unless they make a deal with the board.
So, comments like "Sony should have bought the whole thing" lack nuance.
Re: Could the Next Xbox Get a Head Start on PS6?
Everything indicates that yes they will. Spencer already said they won't be doing what they usually do and rumours from 2023/24 already stated they had finalised plans for their portable hardware. Xbox could have a huge success on their hands for their next consoles due to moving away from traditional console form factor, and targeting the portable hybird market. Gamepass is suited for this as it means you just pay a monthly fee and play as many games on the go as you'd like. Could see them having big wins if played correctly.