@Globo easily because the PS5 pro is an optional console not required to play one game so they can price it as high as they like. The PS6 is a necessary console and they need numbers on it to sell games. Anything over 800 is financial suicide and will price all but the hardcore console gamer out. Tbh i think over 650 is but it won't be that low. They'd have to not release until late 2028 as well.
Baffling to read some of these comments. "ill pick it up when it's out of early access". "why didn't they do all this before". These devs are actively reading peoples wants on comments and implementing it the same week. This should be celebrated from the rooftops because who does that? The is one of the most rewarding games I've played in 30 years of gaming and I'll never be sorry I played it day one. Im 60 hours in and I feel like ive only scratched the surface and haven't had a second of boredom. It's an absolutely outstanding experience and im so glad the ratings are shooting sky high.
End of the day if you want to play the newest games you'll pay it. You'd spend that on a PC. But, Sony don't want this happening it'd be financial suicide. The casual gamers dont buy it and then they don't get the game sales. If it releases 2027 then sure it'd be 999. But itll be late 2028/2029 and be under 750 with no disc drive.
@1970sGamer probably because these people have actually played it and see this score as nonsense. Especially with the plus points they wrote. It's an incredible game which you won't see judging without playing
Genuinely baffled how you can write outstanding open world, delightful exploration, deep combat, spectacular bosses, stunning scenery staggering breadth of content. And score it a 6 😂😂 this read like it was getting an 8 at minumum. It's not the games fault the base PS5 is struggling, it's a massive game and it's running great on my pro. The updates seem to have improved a lot too. I feel this was written before patches. Will stuff like GTA 6 get knocked down for only running at 30? CD gives you the option of 60, you can't lower it's points for struggling at that And you can't rate a game low because it's difficult, just get better gear and get skill points. It's open world you're not stuck. DS games are highly rated and more difficult. This game played as a sandbox RPG is the easiest 9 ive given. It'll round off at a 9 on user scores and that's very fair. It's the most fun I've had in an open world for years, i find it incredible
@RoomWithaMoose it is tbh. I play for gameplay mostly. Obviously a good story is great but as said there's that much to do ive basically forgotten about the story.
@RoomWithaMoose I was just picking something I find similar in parts. Red Dead 2, Horizon 1, Uncharted 4, Final Fantasy X, Dragon Quest 8, Expedition 33, Persona 5 Royal, Baldurs Gate 3, Metal Gear Solid 1, The Last of Us would all likely feature in my top 20 games ever.
@RoomWithaMoose the Witcher 3 is up there. Im enjoying this as much so far. Only letdown is the story but ive barely done any of it. The gameplay is arguably more fun so far (for me anyway)
@Frmknst zero about this game is boring. I've still not even found a dull fetch quest. 30 hours in and I've done practically none of the main story because it's littered with things to do everywhere. People really need to play games before having opinions on them
Genuinely surprised at all the backlash and people trying to make fun of this game. It's one of fhe best games I've ever played. The only thing that lets it down is the story. But I've barely seen any of that so far because there's so much to do
@Whately86 cost me 300 to upgrade to the Pro for higher frame rates and a better quality image and my Pro will sell for a couple hundred more on next gen release. 4 years better gaming for practically nothing. Go troll on the PC boards who buy a new graphics card. And wow. Like 1% of the games run worse and that was ENTIRELY developer inputs fault, not the console. It wasn't marketed to do what the base was at all. You can have an opinion but that massive rant out of nowhere at Sony and everyone who bought one just makes you look bitter and jealous.
@Whately86 damn dude touch the doll where the Pro hurt you 😂 Practically everyone who's bought it loves it. You're singing to the wrong crowd. Why on earth would it include a 200 dollar headset when they likely make no money on it in the first place.
@nomither6 doubt it. Its pretty obvious this is testing PSSR for the PS6 so they can release it cost effective and let PSSR do the work not a powerful GPU
@Porco people are just enjoying their purchase and want to talk about it. And the sales definitely aren't bad. It's sold more than PS4 Pro did in the same time, at twice the cost and it seems to be flying off the shelves in the PS5 groups I'm in after the PSSR 2 news. PS6 won't be out next year, even 2028 is a push with the RAM issues. If people want to upgrade for a few years better gaming all power to them
@Othatguy its like when people get a new graphics card, you do it for better quality. The selling point for me is quality mode graphics at performance frame rates. Getting RT at 60 fps and looking like 4K is more than slight to me. Cost me 300 personally after selling my PS5 and upon PS6 release the Pro will have a much higher resale value than a base PS5 would. More than worth that upgrade cost for me personally.
Everyone's different, people who dont trophy hunt won't see the point and sure, you don't 'need' trophies, but it's the achievement factor in doing them. But it's just pure laziness not to add them. The retro part of PS Premium is already pretty bad (so many old games they could tap into and we get one a month added and sometimes even none). The least they could do is add a trophy list to satisfy some people. Personally I'd love to hunt down a trophy list for an old game I used to like. If not, I could just emulate it if it was just about playing it. Especially as all as we get is bog standard ports with nothing improved.
Doesn't affect the PS6 release at all, they arent competing anymore. The Xbox is now basically a PC, it won't have exclusives. Proved last gen that having the most powerful console doesn't make a difference either. Sony certainly won't be pushing their schedule forward to release at the same time
@RoomWithaMoose yes but the point is it's a handheld, if you're trying to replicate the experience then sitting there holding controller and playing on a phone isn't it. And yep you could get a holder but then you're not using a dualsense so again not the same experience. There's natually other options but its a grsat screen on the portal and i think it has its uses (especially now it has streaming which you can't do on a tablet)
@RoomWithaMoose easily is a push. Youd have to play on a phone screen or tablet with it propped up and holding a dualsense separately (then it isnt a handheld)
Thankfully I make use of the premium with my portal but the promised classics were mis-sold so badly. We've even had PS4 games lumped in there and called a classic. There's an absolute wealth of games that could be added and we've had 6 in half a year
@Number09 id be genuinely surprised if any run quieter unless they're low graphical games, the cooling system is terrible, I had my Pro from 2016-2020 and i remember the noise. I cant hear my PS5 and im sat 6 feet away
@Sweetz seems like its a huge upgrade to me personally. From having a Pro since day one the PSSR had a lot of issues. The 2.0 seems to have eliminated them
@Nexozi yeah i didnt really get that either. Why play a stupidly loud console to play PS4 games when your PS5 plays every one of them at higher quality then the 4 Pro then say your PS5 is gathering dust when we're 5+ into the gen and there's many next gen games available . Doesn't even sound like they own one
@Number09 you cant play many games then. Im easily on way over 50 games not on PS4. Naturally you think it's gimmick if you're using a decade old console though
Most of these will be PS5 owners. Its smart really. It's only around a 3-400 outlay after selling PS5 and then your Pro will be worth far more to sell than your base PS5 would be when PS6 releases so that's another couple hundred saved on the price
Always confuses me the people who say i never see any difference in the footage. You wont... Its compressed. The point was youre gettung quality mode graphics at performance mode framerates (or better than in this case). That's how it was always advertised. Some people just want every bell and whistle. Ive loved being able to have RT on in some games whilst I'd have never done it on base PS5 simply because of being stuck at 30 fps
I remember getting up to 100 fls on Forbidden West and it looked absolutely stunning. And that was on base PS5. Can't imagine how the Pro looks. Hands down the best engine. Then you get UE5 nonsense that struggles to hit 60 and look far worse.
Youd have to be pretty braindead to think the PS6 won't have a drive. As an addon? Perhaps. Although having to buy one and fit as an extra might just kill off physical for good. And it'll hurt sony as more will move over to PC, especially with exclusives arriving there quick now. It'll sure be a sad day for me paying £70 (probably £80) a game compared to about £10 overall now
Really seems people are forgetting how PS4 was, sure the games didn't look 'that' much different to now. But we were playing in 1080p and 30 fps for the most part. Takes a hell of a lot of extra graphical power to bump that to 4k and 60. Especially with the far better lighting in games of today
Eh im not too fussed. Originally i thought 2028 but i dont even think much GPU power is needed over the Pro, certainly not 4 years worth of increase. Especially with PSSR improvements. They need to start putting decent CPUs in
And that's when I play it. Say it didn't need it all you like but when you're in a game world, panning a camera. Thats choppy at 30. It needed it. The visuals of this game had zero reason to be stuck at 30 in 2025 in the first place
@LogicStrikesAgain agreed. I dont see how you can a single complaint when we were getting RT at 60 launch day. Id take that any day of the week with the Pro.
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Re: PS6 Could Be Cheaper Than Expected, Despite $1,000 Concerns
@Globo easily because the PS5 pro is an optional console not required to play one game so they can price it as high as they like. The PS6 is a necessary console and they need numbers on it to sell games. Anything over 800 is financial suicide and will price all but the hardcore console gamer out. Tbh i think over 650 is but it won't be that low. They'd have to not release until late 2028 as well.
Re: Major Crimson Desert Patch Out Now on PS5, Makes Countless Gameplay Improvements
Baffling to read some of these comments. "ill pick it up when it's out of early access". "why didn't they do all this before". These devs are actively reading peoples wants on comments and implementing it the same week. This should be celebrated from the rooftops because who does that? The is one of the most rewarding games I've played in 30 years of gaming and I'll never be sorry I played it day one. Im 60 hours in and I feel like ive only scratched the surface and haven't had a second of boredom. It's an absolutely outstanding experience and im so glad the ratings are shooting sky high.
Re: PS5 Pro Buyers Rush to Beat $899.99 Price Hike Next Week
@hol_up they're not, and more than likely not the year after unless they want a disaster on their hands
Re: '$1,000+ Consoles Could Become the Norm': PS6's Price Touted to Touch Four Figures
End of the day if you want to play the newest games you'll pay it. You'd spend that on a PC.
But, Sony don't want this happening it'd be financial suicide. The casual gamers dont buy it and then they don't get the game sales. If it releases 2027 then sure it'd be 999. But itll be late 2028/2029 and be under 750 with no disc drive.
Re: PS5 Pricing Strategy Gives Flexibility for Deals if 'Things Surprisingly Get Better'
Still don't think the PS6 is gonna be over $800 though. The Pro's price is irrelevant (unless it comes 2027, which it wont)
Re: PS5 Pricing Strategy Gives Flexibility for Deals if 'Things Surprisingly Get Better'
Flexibility for deals. It's already on sale in the UK before the price increase 😂
Re: Feature: PS5 Price - Why Does It Cost So Much in 2026?
The way things are you could buy a Pro now and sell your PS5 in a few weeks for practically the same money
Re: Crimson Desert (PS5) - A Generational Open World Buried in Early Access Cruft
@1970sGamer probably because these people have actually played it and see this score as nonsense. Especially with the plus points they wrote. It's an incredible game which you won't see judging without playing
Re: Crimson Desert (PS5) - A Generational Open World Buried in Early Access Cruft
Genuinely baffled how you can write outstanding open world, delightful exploration, deep combat, spectacular bosses, stunning scenery staggering breadth of content. And score it a 6 😂😂 this read like it was getting an 8 at minumum. It's not the games fault the base PS5 is struggling, it's a massive game and it's running great on my pro. The updates seem to have improved a lot too. I feel this was written before patches. Will stuff like GTA 6 get knocked down for only running at 30? CD gives you the option of 60, you can't lower it's points for struggling at that And you can't rate a game low because it's difficult, just get better gear and get skill points. It's open world you're not stuck. DS games are highly rated and more difficult. This game played as a sandbox RPG is the easiest 9 ive given. It'll round off at a 9 on user scores and that's very fair. It's the most fun I've had in an open world for years, i find it incredible
Re: Crimson Desert Storms the Physical UK Charts, and Almost All Copies Sold Were for PS5
@RoomWithaMoose it is tbh. I play for gameplay mostly. Obviously a good story is great but as said there's that much to do ive basically forgotten about the story.
Re: Crimson Desert Storms the Physical UK Charts, and Almost All Copies Sold Were for PS5
@RoomWithaMoose I was just picking something I find similar in parts. Red Dead 2, Horizon 1, Uncharted 4, Final Fantasy X, Dragon Quest 8, Expedition 33, Persona 5 Royal, Baldurs Gate 3, Metal Gear Solid 1, The Last of Us would all likely feature in my top 20 games ever.
Re: Crimson Desert Storms the Physical UK Charts, and Almost All Copies Sold Were for PS5
@RoomWithaMoose the Witcher 3 is up there. Im enjoying this as much so far. Only letdown is the story but ive barely done any of it. The gameplay is arguably more fun so far (for me anyway)
Re: Dev Pledges to Make Crimson Desert 'Even More Enjoyable' as It Sells Over 3 Million Copies in First Week
@Frmknst zero about this game is boring. I've still not even found a dull fetch quest. 30 hours in and I've done practically none of the main story because it's littered with things to do everywhere. People really need to play games before having opinions on them
Re: Crimson Desert Storms the Physical UK Charts, and Almost All Copies Sold Were for PS5
Genuinely surprised at all the backlash and people trying to make fun of this game. It's one of fhe best games I've ever played. The only thing that lets it down is the story. But I've barely seen any of that so far because there's so much to do
Re: Hands On: Crimson Desert Runs Well Enough on PS5 Pro, But What About That Intro?
@pushL7 what does timeline have to do with using a button 😂 every yakuza/like a dragon game has X as sprint
Re: 'This Is Finally Living Up to Its Promise': PS5 Pro Owners Thrilled with PSSR 2 Upgrade
@Whately86 cost me 300 to upgrade to the Pro for higher frame rates and a better quality image and my Pro will sell for a couple hundred more on next gen release. 4 years better gaming for practically nothing. Go troll on the PC boards who buy a new graphics card. And wow. Like 1% of the games run worse and that was ENTIRELY developer inputs fault, not the console. It wasn't marketed to do what the base was at all. You can have an opinion but that massive rant out of nowhere at Sony and everyone who bought one just makes you look bitter and jealous.
Re: 'This Is Finally Living Up to Its Promise': PS5 Pro Owners Thrilled with PSSR 2 Upgrade
@Whately86 damn dude touch the doll where the Pro hurt you 😂 Practically everyone who's bought it loves it. You're singing to the wrong crowd. Why on earth would it include a 200 dollar headset when they likely make no money on it in the first place.
Re: 'This Is Finally Living Up to Its Promise': PS5 Pro Owners Thrilled with PSSR 2 Upgrade
@nomither6 doubt it. Its pretty obvious this is testing PSSR for the PS6 so they can release it cost effective and let PSSR do the work not a powerful GPU
Re: 'This Is Finally Living Up to Its Promise': PS5 Pro Owners Thrilled with PSSR 2 Upgrade
@Porco people are just enjoying their purchase and want to talk about it. And the sales definitely aren't bad. It's sold more than PS4 Pro did in the same time, at twice the cost and it seems to be flying off the shelves in the PS5 groups I'm in after the PSSR 2 news. PS6 won't be out next year, even 2028 is a push with the RAM issues. If people want to upgrade for a few years better gaming all power to them
Re: 'This Is Finally Living Up to Its Promise': PS5 Pro Owners Thrilled with PSSR 2 Upgrade
@Othatguy its like when people get a new graphics card, you do it for better quality. The selling point for me is quality mode graphics at performance frame rates. Getting RT at 60 fps and looking like 4K is more than slight to me. Cost me 300 personally after selling my PS5 and upon PS6 release the Pro will have a much higher resale value than a base PS5 would. More than worth that upgrade cost for me personally.
Re: Further Frustration as PS Plus' Latest Retro Game Arrives without PS5, PS4 Trophies
Everyone's different, people who dont trophy hunt won't see the point and sure, you don't 'need' trophies, but it's the achievement factor in doing them. But it's just pure laziness not to add them. The retro part of PS Premium is already pretty bad (so many old games they could tap into and we get one a month added and sometimes even none). The least they could do is add a trophy list to satisfy some people. Personally I'd love to hunt down a trophy list for an old game I used to like. If not, I could just emulate it if it was just about playing it. Especially as all as we get is bog standard ports with nothing improved.
Re: 'An Even Smoother Experience': Developers Chime in on PS5 Pro's PSSR 2 Update
@Angelus3K crimson desert and the CPU boost mode on Pro gives me a little more hope
Re: First Crimson Desert PS5 Pro Analysis Calls It 'A Phenomenal Experience'
My body is ready. And it's gonna be way better than this with PSSR2 as well
Re: Xbox Targets 2027 for Project Helix Dev Kits, Calling Rumoured PS6 Release Into Question
Doesn't affect the PS6 release at all, they arent competing anymore. The Xbox is now basically a PC, it won't have exclusives. Proved last gen that having the most powerful console doesn't make a difference either. Sony certainly won't be pushing their schedule forward to release at the same time
Re: Step Aside PS Portal! The Best Way to Use PS5 Remote Play Is Getting Better
@RoomWithaMoose yes but the point is it's a handheld, if you're trying to replicate the experience then sitting there holding controller and playing on a phone isn't it.
And yep you could get a holder but then you're not using a dualsense so again not the same experience. There's natually other options but its a grsat screen on the portal and i think it has its uses (especially now it has streaming which you can't do on a tablet)
Re: Step Aside PS Portal! The Best Way to Use PS5 Remote Play Is Getting Better
For remote play this app is world's above the official way. Hope this update comes to mobile devices soon
Re: Step Aside PS Portal! The Best Way to Use PS5 Remote Play Is Getting Better
@RoomWithaMoose easily is a push. Youd have to play on a phone screen or tablet with it propped up and holding a dualsense separately (then it isnt a handheld)
Re: Step Aside PS Portal! The Best Way to Use PS5 Remote Play Is Getting Better
@BloodyBlact this isn't for the portal
Re: PS Plus Premium Has Given You Just 1 Classic PlayStation Game a Month for Over Half a Year Now
Thankfully I make use of the premium with my portal but the promised classics were mis-sold so badly. We've even had PS4 games lumped in there and called a classic. There's an absolute wealth of games that could be added and we've had 6 in half a year
Re: Hands On: Assassin's Creed Unity's PS5 Update Has Made Us Rethink That 5/10 Review
Id genuinely love a PS5 port of Unity and Syndicate to run the trophies again
Re: PS5 Pro Sales Explode on the Back of PSSR 2 Hype, System Sells Out in Some Stores
@Sweetz true true, the marker will be Crimson Desert soon.
Re: PS5 Pro Sales Explode on the Back of PSSR 2 Hype, System Sells Out in Some Stores
@Number09 id be genuinely surprised if any run quieter unless they're low graphical games, the cooling system is terrible, I had my Pro from 2016-2020 and i remember the noise. I cant hear my PS5 and im sat 6 feet away
Re: PS5 Pro Sales Explode on the Back of PSSR 2 Hype, System Sells Out in Some Stores
@Sweetz seems like its a huge upgrade to me personally. From having a Pro since day one the PSSR had a lot of issues. The 2.0 seems to have eliminated them
Re: PS5 Pro Sales Explode on the Back of PSSR 2 Hype, System Sells Out in Some Stores
@Nexozi yeah i didnt really get that either. Why play a stupidly loud console to play PS4 games when your PS5 plays every one of them at higher quality then the 4 Pro then say your PS5 is gathering dust when we're 5+ into the gen and there's many next gen games available . Doesn't even sound like they own one
Re: PS5 Pro Sales Explode on the Back of PSSR 2 Hype, System Sells Out in Some Stores
@Number09 that I've played. And games take years to develop now.
Re: PS5 Pro Sales Explode on the Back of PSSR 2 Hype, System Sells Out in Some Stores
@Number09 you cant play many games then. Im easily on way over 50 games not on PS4. Naturally you think it's gimmick if you're using a decade old console though
Re: PS5 Pro Sales Explode on the Back of PSSR 2 Hype, System Sells Out in Some Stores
Most of these will be PS5 owners. Its smart really. It's only around a 3-400 outlay after selling PS5 and then your Pro will be worth far more to sell than your base PS5 would be when PS6 releases so that's another couple hundred saved on the price
Re: Assassin's Creed Unity PS5 60FPS Patch Out Now
Need a PS5 version of Unity and Syndicate with a trophy set. Even if it's just a port of this
Re: Physical Game Sales Hit All-Time Low in the US
Will buy physical until i literally cant. Paying £5-10 overall instead of £60-70 for every game will hurt the pocket so much once I can't.
Re: Sony Confirms Big PS5 Pro Upgrade Is Out in March, Better PSSR Upscaler
Always confuses me the people who say i never see any difference in the footage. You wont... Its compressed. The point was youre gettung quality mode graphics at performance mode framerates (or better than in this case). That's how it was always advertised. Some people just want every bell and whistle. Ive loved being able to have RT on in some games whilst I'd have never done it on base PS5 simply because of being stuck at 30 fps
Re: Resident Evil Requiem 'Head and Shoulders' Ahead of All Consoles on PS5 Pro
This is how PS5 Pro should be.. Hopefully see more of this over the next couple of years. Especially after 2.0
Re: PS5 Pro Upgrade Details Spotted, as Sony Patents PSSR 2.0 Tech
Id take 40 fps for GTA 6 every day of the week. 50% improvement is pretty big
Re: Guerrilla Games Came Up with Its Own Upscaling Tech for Decima Engine, and It Rivals PSSR
I remember getting up to 100 fls on Forbidden West and it looked absolutely stunning. And that was on base PS5. Can't imagine how the Pro looks. Hands down the best engine. Then you get UE5 nonsense that struggles to hit 60 and look far worse.
Re: Here's Why Shawn Layden Thinks Sony 'Can't Get Away' with Making PS6 Digital Only
Youd have to be pretty braindead to think the PS6 won't have a drive. As an addon? Perhaps. Although having to buy one and fit as an extra might just kill off physical for good. And it'll hurt sony as more will move over to PC, especially with exclusives arriving there quick now. It'll sure be a sad day for me paying £70 (probably £80) a game compared to about £10 overall now
Re: Opinion: The Euphoric Reaction to PS6's Rumoured Delay Really Confuses Me
Really seems people are forgetting how PS4 was, sure the games didn't look 'that' much different to now. But we were playing in 1080p and 30 fps for the most part. Takes a hell of a lot of extra graphical power to bump that to 4k and 60. Especially with the far better lighting in games of today
Re: Opinion: The Euphoric Reaction to PS6's Rumoured Delay Really Confuses Me
@Rich33 i dont think ive played one that drops below the 48 fps VRR magic number tbh. 48+ with VRR is always the choice over 30
Re: Opinion: The Euphoric Reaction to PS6's Rumoured Delay Really Confuses Me
Eh im not too fussed. Originally i thought 2028 but i dont even think much GPU power is needed over the Pro, certainly not 4 years worth of increase. Especially with PSSR improvements. They need to start putting decent CPUs in
Re: Opinion: The Euphoric Reaction to PS6's Rumoured Delay Really Confuses Me
@Cambrius which? I don't think ive played a single AAA this gen that's stuck at 30 FPS
Re: Digimon Story Time Stranger Confirms 60FPS Performance Mode Coming to PS5
And that's when I play it. Say it didn't need it all you like but when you're in a game world, panning a camera. Thats choppy at 30. It needed it. The visuals of this game had zero reason to be stuck at 30 in 2025 in the first place
Re: Ghost of Yotei Gets 'Incredible' PS5 Pro Frame Rate Boost Thanks to New Patch
@LogicStrikesAgain agreed. I dont see how you can a single complaint when we were getting RT at 60 launch day. Id take that any day of the week with the Pro.