The numbers are still very nearly 50/50 for physical and digital overall I'd say. Naturally there will be periods when there's more sway either way. E.G. black myth sold a lot and was only available digitally in this period. All these 80-90% figures are nonsense tbh. Some of those stats have included mobile and PC which are obviously 0% physical. And some have even included PS plus downloads. When the game is available both is a copy and digital it's close to even
I mean he's right. I'd honestly be surprised if Sony are making anything on this machine. But console gaming is supposed to be more entry level. On the other hand it is an enthusiast model. I'm 50/50 on whether it should be as is. Or cheaper parts and cheaper to buy
Honestly don't care the resolution if it's upscaled well. DLSS quality mode is outstanding and I can't even differentiate between that and native whilst playing. If it's anywhere near to that it'll work great
@OldGamer999 it does but Native 4K is an overwhelming waste or resources. If you can have RT in and a low res or more details on screen it will always be a better looking game upscaled.
@KundaliniRising333 it's not overpriced though, not at all. The tech is well worth the money. The issue is they've made it too powerful so that needs to be a high price point. They'd have been better making the GPU a bit worse and a smaller SSD because people will naturally go nuts at the price. Even though people don't seem to whine at PCs costing thousands even though they're both optional.
This image is obviously exaggerated but are people forgetting how rebirth looked exactly on performance mode? There was instances of very low poly models and everything for the most part was quite blurry compared to quality. I'd be willing the bet the vast majority who said it looked awesome were playing on quality mode. The difference is we're now getting the quality mode visuals with the performance mode frame rate. Whether that is worth it is another matter
@x3King84 I agree with some of what you say, I've got into PC gaming this year but if I'm buying day one games it's certainly not cheaper. I'd spend far more overall on those. I'm not getting a pro for PS 4.5 games though. I've played maybe 15-20 so far that are only on the 5 but it's not about the past before the Pro existed. Now PS4 is getting phased out there should be an abundance of next gen only ones over the next 3-4 years. That's what my Pro will be for.
@Pranwell yeah I expect to pay £250-300 for the Pro once I've sold my PS5. It's more than worth it for 3-4 years of better experiences. Especially once GTA 6 hits. Not saying it'll happen but it's worth that money to me alone if they manage to wring 60 fps out of it on the Pro. Or even 40.
@LogicStrikesAgain exactly. You're happy with that performance keep your PS5. But don't hold those of us who are willing to spend our money back. It's just selfish.
@OldGamer999 not that im disagreeing with the prices beibg high but pro was £350 not 300 and in fairness that's nearly 500 in today's money. We don't know the price of the new pro but 500 to 600 is quite a way off double and it could easily be cheaper than 600 yet
@nomither6 in fairness I don't think you do. Unless you're running a 4K screen of course. I actually downgraded from a 4K to a 1440p and I can max every game out so far
@nomither6 yeah CPU will be ancient compared. That'll limit it. But much better to put the money in the GPU I guess. 4070 is upper limit, didn't want to say 4060 cause it'll be more than that. Maybe 7800xt
@Waitinonpsvr2 People thought the same for the PS4 Pro. Sold out instantly. And the power is close to maxing. Because games aren't hitting 60 fps. Given the power of it and the rumoured price, they're losing money on units. Won't be dropped for a long time.
Just hope there is 2 different versions. Making it digital only would be the dumbest thing ever, because you won't be able to get hold of the disc drives. Then that'll stop people buying it.
@nomither6 it'll be better than 90-95% of people's PCs. Really isn't that substandard. It'll be equivalent to a mid to high level gaming PC, which for a console is pretty good
@Jacko11 literally no idea where you're getting that. It's the opposite. If live service games are runaway successes they'll just make more of them instead. Concord failing and Wukong being a monster success is the best thing that's happened for Story games in ages.
@rjejr GTA V sold over 10 million day one and the hype for this one is way higher. 20m day one wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. It'd the most hyped game released in history
@WaveBoy as do I. 4K doesn't interest me as much any more. I've just switched from a 4K monitor to a 1440 OLED and it looks far better. But I'd love more 120hz support
@Coffeeglitch yup absolutely. PS4 Pro was supported pretty well. But even if they don't bother adding a specialist mode on some games, if the performance is choppy it'll smooth that out without any dev input
Keep them coming. I don't think I'll ever burn out of this series. Gotta say whilst I did still love the newest one. Hawaii didn't have the charm of Japan
For anyone that is saying it doesn't need to exist, games aren't maxed out. They literally are. That's why we are dropping more and more frequently under 30 fps. Potentially tripling the graphics power ensures that won't happen for 95% of games. And the PSSR sounds like a revelation. Just because you don't want one, doesn't mean the rest of us who have had their console 4 years don't. For the sake of a couple hundred quid upgrade
Days gone was awesome. Never in any way a 6. The hoards were amazing. Issue was it was a bit rough on release and the reviews reflected that. Fully believe if it was reviewed now it'd score 80+
@nomither6 they'll always be relevant because of the value. Until PCs can be bought for 400 that overpower them, there will always be a market. Plus a lot of people aren't as technically minded and just wanted a simple plug and play, and owning a gaming laptop myself they're rarely just plug and play.
Don't see the issue myself. If it was day one sure. It literally benefits us as it means sequels are more likely. Don't affect you in slightest if a game comes out in PC. It'll be 4 years for the PC port of Ragnarok. Is it that big of a deal?
@NEStalgia gameplay is outstanding imo. You could skin this is any game and it'd have got the same reviews. I dunno why people call it milking, 12 years of full development is expensive. Given the sales aren't what's expected I doubt its made much
@Bentleyma probably not tbh. It's been in development a while, and UE5 is power hungry. And it'll release on PS5 which rebirrh is already struggling on
@belmont brawler is simple if you pause. Just need to learn which animation is which putting. The sit ups were a nightmare. They're by far the hardest minigame in the game for me
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Re: A Massive 75% of UK Game Sales Were Digital Last Month
The numbers are still very nearly 50/50 for physical and digital overall I'd say. Naturally there will be periods when there's more sway either way. E.G. black myth sold a lot and was only available digitally in this period. All these 80-90% figures are nonsense tbh. Some of those stats have included mobile and PC which are obviously 0% physical. And some have even included PS plus downloads. When the game is available both is a copy and digital it's close to even
Re: A Massive 75% of UK Game Sales Were Digital Last Month
As a whole worldwide it isn't really changing though. Physical still has the same market it has for a couple of years
Re: Vince Zampella Defends PS5 Pro Price, Says 'It's Actually Not That Bad'
I mean he's right. I'd honestly be surprised if Sony are making anything on this machine. But console gaming is supposed to be more entry level. On the other hand it is an enthusiast model. I'm 50/50 on whether it should be as is. Or cheaper parts and cheaper to buy
Re: PS5 Pro Shows Real Promise in First Expert Analysis
Honestly don't care the resolution if it's upscaled well. DLSS quality mode is outstanding and I can't even differentiate between that and native whilst playing. If it's anywhere near to that it'll work great
Re: PS5 Pro Shows Real Promise in First Expert Analysis
@OldGamer999 it does but Native 4K is an overwhelming waste or resources. If you can have RT in and a low res or more details on screen it will always be a better looking game upscaled.
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth 'Hugely Improved' on PS5 Pro, a 'Night and Day' Difference
@KundaliniRising333 even with that, it's still not overpriced for that you get. People are used to entry level consoles and prices that's the issue
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth 'Hugely Improved' on PS5 Pro, a 'Night and Day' Difference
@KundaliniRising333 it's not overpriced though, not at all. The tech is well worth the money. The issue is they've made it too powerful so that needs to be a high price point. They'd have been better making the GPU a bit worse and a smaller SSD because people will naturally go nuts at the price. Even though people don't seem to whine at PCs costing thousands even though they're both optional.
Re: 'It Felt Like Putting New Glasses On,' Claims First PS5 Pro Hands On
This image is obviously exaggerated but are people forgetting how rebirth looked exactly on performance mode? There was instances of very low poly models and everything for the most part was quite blurry compared to quality. I'd be willing the bet the vast majority who said it looked awesome were playing on quality mode. The difference is we're now getting the quality mode visuals with the performance mode frame rate. Whether that is worth it is another matter
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Coming Today, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@S1ayeR74 isn't a chance on this planet the cheapest it'll be is £600
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@x3King84 I agree with some of what you say, I've got into PC gaming this year but if I'm buying day one games it's certainly not cheaper. I'd spend far more overall on those. I'm not getting a pro for PS 4.5 games though. I've played maybe 15-20 so far that are only on the 5 but it's not about the past before the Pro existed. Now PS4 is getting phased out there should be an abundance of next gen only ones over the next 3-4 years. That's what my Pro will be for.
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@OldGamer999 and then same thing happens in 2026/7. That just delays next gen by 3 years
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@Pranwell yeah I expect to pay £250-300 for the Pro once I've sold my PS5. It's more than worth it for 3-4 years of better experiences. Especially once GTA 6 hits. Not saying it'll happen but it's worth that money to me alone if they manage to wring 60 fps out of it on the Pro. Or even 40.
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@30fps60fps because it'd cost £1000 compared to 399
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@LikelySatan seems like a lot on here 😂
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@LogicStrikesAgain exactly. You're happy with that performance keep your PS5. But don't hold those of us who are willing to spend our money back. It's just selfish.
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@OldGamer999 not that im disagreeing with the prices beibg high but pro was £350 not 300 and in fairness that's nearly 500 in today's money. We don't know the price of the new pro but 500 to 600 is quite a way off double and it could easily be cheaper than 600 yet
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@nomither6 in fairness I don't think you do. Unless you're running a 4K screen of course. I actually downgraded from a 4K to a 1440p and I can max every game out so far
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
£560 and £650 for me if there's 2 versions. If one, £549 digital.
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@nomither6 yeah CPU will be ancient compared. That'll limit it. But much better to put the money in the GPU I guess. 4070 is upper limit, didn't want to say 4060 cause it'll be more than that. Maybe 7800xt
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@nomither6 I mean I don't know your PC but I have a 4070 and I except it to be very close to that
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@Waitinonpsvr2 People thought the same for the PS4 Pro. Sold out instantly. And the power is close to maxing. Because games aren't hitting 60 fps. Given the power of it and the rumoured price, they're losing money on units. Won't be dropped for a long time.
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
Just hope there is 2 different versions. Making it digital only would be the dumbest thing ever, because you won't be able to get hold of the disc drives. Then that'll stop people buying it.
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@nomither6 it'll be better than 90-95% of people's PCs. Really isn't that substandard. It'll be equivalent to a mid to high level gaming PC, which for a console is pretty good
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@StylesT of course they will. Some games are dropping to 720. When that's bumped up to 1440 or higher it's a huge difference
Re: PS5 Pro Showcase Set for Tomorrow, Hosted by Mark Cerny
@Waitinonpsvr2 it'll sell out instantly. Bet by tomorrow end you can't get one if preorders are right away
Re: Rumour: PS5 Pro Still Planned to Release in 2024, State of Play Coming in September
@16BitHero you're right they do. But we're moving to UE5 now and those aren't doing
Re: Japan Hit with Yet Another PS5 Price Increase
@Dr_ENT financial suicide if it costs that much. They could easily price it at 549.
Re: Crash Bandicoot 5 Reportedly Cut in Favour of More Live Service Games
@Jacko11 buy yet with it being more costly it still makes money. Concord put Sony in a hole. Spiderman 2 made a fortune.
Re: Rumour: PS5 Pro Still Planned to Release in 2024, State of Play Coming in September
@nessisonett if we're getting more and more games dropping far below 60. It's been more than tested.
Re: Crash Bandicoot 5 Reportedly Cut in Favour of More Live Service Games
@Jacko11 literally no idea where you're getting that. It's the opposite. If live service games are runaway successes they'll just make more of them instead. Concord failing and Wukong being a monster success is the best thing that's happened for Story games in ages.
Re: Square Enix Has Got Fans Talking About a Final Fantasy 13 Remake, Not a Remaster
No matter what you think of it, it's the only offline FF not playable on a new PlayStation and that's not right
Re: GTA 6 Won't Be on Subs Like PS Plus at Launch Because Take-Two Makes 'Rational' Decisions
@rjejr GTA V sold over 10 million day one and the hype for this one is way higher. 20m day one wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. It'd the most hyped game released in history
Re: Queen's Blood Confirmed for Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Sequel, CCG to Be Expanded
@trev666 perhaps but skip it. You didn't have to play one card game in the whole game to progress
Re: Poll: Is the Astro Bot PS5 Controller the Best DualSense Yet?
Missing out the FFXVI one
Re: Doubt Cast Over PS5 Pro Actually Releasing This Year
@WaveBoy as do I. 4K doesn't interest me as much any more. I've just switched from a 4K monitor to a 1440 OLED and it looks far better. But I'd love more 120hz support
Re: Doubt Cast Over PS5 Pro Actually Releasing This Year
@Coffeeglitch yup absolutely. PS4 Pro was supported pretty well. But even if they don't bother adding a specialist mode on some games, if the performance is choppy it'll smooth that out without any dev input
Re: Next Ryu Ga Gotoku Game to Be Revealed at Tokyo Game Show 2024
Keep them coming. I don't think I'll ever burn out of this series. Gotta say whilst I did still love the newest one. Hawaii didn't have the charm of Japan
Re: Doubt Cast Over PS5 Pro Actually Releasing This Year
For anyone that is saying it doesn't need to exist, games aren't maxed out. They literally are. That's why we are dropping more and more frequently under 30 fps. Potentially tripling the graphics power ensures that won't happen for 95% of games. And the PSSR sounds like a revelation. Just because you don't want one, doesn't mean the rest of us who have had their console 4 years don't. For the sake of a couple hundred quid upgrade
Re: Doubt Cast Over PS5 Pro Actually Releasing This Year
@Ajfennell77 that should be the least reason one exists
Re: Days Gone Team Apologises for 'False Hope' of PS5 Sequel After Misleading Headlines, Comments
Days gone was awesome. Never in any way a 6. The hoards were amazing. Issue was it was a bit rough on release and the reviews reflected that. Fully believe if it was reviewed now it'd score 80+
Re: PlayStation Likely to Go All-Digital By PS7, Analyst Predicts
@nomither6 they'll always be relevant because of the value. Until PCs can be bought for 400 that overpower them, there will always be a market. Plus a lot of people aren't as technically minded and just wanted a simple plug and play, and owning a gaming laptop myself they're rarely just plug and play.
Re: PlayStation Likely to Go All-Digital By PS7, Analyst Predicts
@nomither6 massively cost saving for me, thats why i still game on PS5, and I own a good laptop
Re: Final Fantasy 9 Remake Is Almost Certainly Real as Another Database Leak Appears
@Dalamar its more than likely winning game of the year. It was outstanding 😂 butchering is a rare opinion
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Swings 11 Million Sales as Sony Calls PS5 Exclusive a 'Great Success'
@0niguy as good as spiderman 1 was in the same timeframe with half the console base. Pretty big success tbh
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
Don't see the issue myself. If it was day one sure. It literally benefits us as it means sequels are more likely. Don't affect you in slightest if a game comes out in PC. It'll be 4 years for the PC port of Ragnarok. Is it that big of a deal?
Re: Sony Sings PS Portal's Praises with Accolades Trailer
Just get the ps plus streaming on it like is possible
Re: Family Friendly Level-5 Boss Would Love to Make Violent, Erotic Games
Ni no kuni 3 please that's all
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 3 Expected to Release Around 2027, Says Square Enix
@NEStalgia gameplay is outstanding imo. You could skin this is any game and it'd have got the same reviews. I dunno why people call it milking, 12 years of full development is expensive. Given the sales aren't what's expected I doubt its made much
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 3 Expected to Release Around 2027, Says Square Enix
@Bentleyma probably not tbh. It's been in development a while, and UE5 is power hungry. And it'll release on PS5 which rebirrh is already struggling on
Re: FF7 Rebirth's Platinum Trophy Bug to Be Fixed in Next PS5 Patch
@belmont brawler is simple if you pause. Just need to learn which animation is which putting. The sit ups were a nightmare. They're by far the hardest minigame in the game for me