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Clearly the budget of the game cant be an issue.

Because they are still selling a version of the game to a significantly larger audience for a lower cost. So clearly the $60 price tag would be fine. If it truly was an issue of budgets, then it'd be $70 on both systems to accomodate.

@SJBUK They could just...not charge $70 for the PS5 version if its also a PS4 game? The game will make it's money back anyway, that's basically guaranteed. They know this. It's just seeing how far the market can be pushed.

For context on this price, I'm now management, and here in the UK, a PS5 game is now more than a days wages. That's insane.

@get2sammyb It's good business, but the longer it goes on, the worse the optics will get.

But I suppose, they have the PS4 backing them up, there are free to try.

I dont understand this.

You can patch in all the controller features, enhanced framerates and resolution for backwards compatability, as The Last of Us did, and Ghost of Tsushima did, and Horizon did.

But they then also charge to get marginally better performance for Ghost of Tsushima that still isn't native 4k, still only targets 60fps, like the earlier free patch, and now charge for this?

@UrbanPlaystation It's okay 👍 3am isn't a good commenting time. I lose any trace of common sense.

@UrbanPlaystation Being pedantic was the point. Can't claim Naughty Dog never made a bad game when the library spans to the early 80s.

For reference, that's a good while older than I am so even I dont know.

The power draw is the same.

The internal components on the chip side are the same.

It runs quieter, implying the fan does less work.

The heatsink is massively reduced.

That to me sounds like it'll get hotter. Quite a logical conclusion.

The real worry is how hot does a certain chip get. Namely, there is some RAM on the reverse side of the board away from the metal shield, heatsink, fan and extensive cooling. That single chip gets exceptionally hot. If this things runs hotter, that chip is going to be scorching.

@UrbanPlaystation Naughty Dog have never made a bad game?

Never? You sure?

Rings of Power? Math Jam? Keef the Thief?

@SplooshDmg @LiamCroft Shu retweeted it, so SOMEONE is clearly aware of it.

@zupertramp This is true.

I am just rather befuddled by the almost obsession of certain folks at this point around Trophies. Game doesnt have em, not worth it.

Like....what?

@zupertramp @naruball @thefourfoldroot Depends. I feel as though trophies should be supplemental and something like this, chastising a game for creating more content but not creating "more content" for a checklist is....weird.

You just got more game. Why does it matter if the checklist gets bigger too? You clearly enjoyed it enough the first time to get the trophies.

I feel like that's what I'm getting at. A game can have trophies, you enjoy it, do em all, move on. But if the DLC or a service game doesnt add MORE trophies with new content drops...you wont go back or its offensive?

Clearly then you see no merit in going back even though you enjoyed the game enough to get the platinum?

Trying to articulate this is quite hard

@james_games I guess it just depends on what the trophies entail. Sometimes...I see a trophy list be stretched out. Do x things while playing that either arent an actual feat, like Jump x times (Unless you're a games journalist I guess?) and other stuff like beating a game 100% in x time.

One of em you'll just do. I dont see why that is worthy of accomplishment. A story beat, sure. A collection milestone, yeah. Opening a menu? Nah.

I guess for general trophies there is a balance to be had.

If you need the operating system to give you a reward for playing instead of the game itself, you have a problem.

Ratchet and Clank killed off skill points for Trophies, and Rift Apart doesnt even have you do everything to "Complete" it in many gamers eyes.

The fact a game's value, replayability and enjoyment now seemingly comes from how much the developers let the system itself reward you is...baffling to me.

At what point are you playing the game to see your profile number go up, instead of for the game itself? Are the games now not fun or not offering enough to make it worthwhile?

Sounds like it's bundling a lot of recently popular dev techniques into the hardware. Focused rendering where non essential information isn't as high res (Ori did this for instance, away from the player character), and what may either be upscaling or dynamic resolution, hard to say with a name like Flexible Resolution.

One step closer to just making the game a damn evolving platform instead of yearly releases.

@MrMetroid I get about two hours for gaming as is. Less when I get promoted in two weeks. That time downloading is time wasted.

Yes rest mode exists, but my PS5 likes turning itself off in Rest mode.

Given how few games you can fit in the 600GB or so of internal storage, the 1TB is an absolute minimum.

But even that won't be much. Maybe 15-20 games if you're lucky.

@nessisonett I'd play Call of Duty: ROLFCopter.

Absolutely for the meme though.

@Rudy_Manchego It's been that long? Blimey... That makes me sad.

Fell back in love with the original when it got re-released.

The first news about a game annnounced in a Nintendo show in god knows how long after being stuck in development limbo ends up being an announcement of a version on another console before it's even out on Switch.

Seems familiar.

Maybe this is how Bayonetta 3 finally shows up

Sucks that they didn't convey this to developers who had to then can years of work or crunch, and this was the bit they didn't backpedal on. Oh well.

Jim Ryan spoke about his opinion/goals for the business and the two are going to get muddled because it's Jim "Foot in Mouth" Ryan?

Where's my popcorn, this is gonna be good.

Also, we won't tell Miyamoto you stole his homework Jim. We promise.

"better to wait and have a great game than to rush and have a game that is okay or quite good".

There was a popular song over the past few weeks I could parody.

Something abouts its coming out, Ghostwire's coming out.

Sounds like what happened with Nintendo and Next Level Games. Have a close relationship, the shareholders in Next Level wanted them to sell after the mega hit Luigi's Mansion 3 topped off constant progress and growing hit after hit, and Nintendo saw that and went "Like hell you are" before anyone else got in.

Sony and Nintendo learned from what happened with Rare, the minute the company mentions selling, you need to buy.

Its also a problem that Ghost of Tsushima already has a patch for backwards compatibility on PS5 that gives it dynamic 4K resolution at 60fps.

But for $10 more you can get dynamic 4K at a maybe more stable 60fps? Plus controller features that The Last of Us Part 2 patched into back compat for free, and the use of activities and the such we keep forgetting about.

Wow there's no good spin here.

@Rob_230 Level-5...maybe. Nintendo would be the other obvious guess but they dont like bailing out sinking ships otherwise they would have nabbed AlphaDream.

NihonFalcom....nope. Those guys are spending a lot of time pulling themselves away from being dependant on PlayStation along with a lot of other Japanese developers of their scale.

Even if it ends up as "Okay" I hope they don't chicken out and refine it in the following game.

Sonic Lost World had potential to be evolved and they just wimped out but when Unleashed was okay and had potential they refined it in the next game.

@Philbop People are going for what's in the next few months it seems which is fair. BOTW2 being 2022 probably means a vast majority of preorders won't happen until the date is locked down.

What, haptic feedback can play music?

This surprises Kirby (2018) immensely. Immensely I say!

@get2sammyb The question is how many hardware units are the digital only model. That'll tell us how many maximum physical copies they could sell to each owner of a disc based system assuming every system sold is actually in use and everyone bought a copy of the game.

@wiiware I keep forgetting that game is a thing, given its Pirates Curse Part 1.

DSiWare was basically GBA styled games with a bit more detail tbh. Pirates Curse used the same art style too but that game is sooooo good.

@wiiware Ah yes the Shantae Game Boy game that isn't on PS4 yet 🤣

@RogerRoger There's no evidence of Nintendo paying for Secret Rings/Colours/Black Knight.

Lost World and Rise of Lyric, yes. Lost World is on PC though.

I assume you take the same stance to stuff like Final Fantasy 16, countless Xbox stunts and the like?

@RogerRoger The exclusivity was due to Sonic games historically selling way better on Nintendo platforms than others.

It's not baffling when it's business, and we know SEGA, they go where the cash is. It's why Xbox is currently in their pockets.

An ominously posh villain.

Watch it be Drek or someone 🤣

So was Animal Crossing and Luigi's Mansion 3, and many games from other developers.

And it's really sad those games need medals for that.

I'm impressed people still think the open world stuff started in Nexus and not, you know, the two levels that did it in Ratchet 2.

This borders on Pokemon Sun and Moon levels of showing everything off pre release now.

This would have been a cool thing to see but no, let's do a whole ad campaign about our endgame weapon because it has some references which nets a few extra sales.

At least Platinum will show off something this year.

Be funny If true when GT7 had PS5 Exclusive slapped all over it's trailer...

@Orpheus79V They didn't need to upgrade from the initial Hedgehog Engine either but they did. It worked at 4k on PCs, did numerous art styles (Unleashed, Generations and Lost World) worked across multiple architectures. Heck many argue Unleashed visually is a more impressive game than Forces

Don't underestimate Sonic Teams stupidity.

@Orpheus79V So is the PS4, and Sonic Team still spent 3 out of 4 years making Hedgehog Engine 2, and then had the actual game part made by people who had never worked on Sonic before.

Its not whether or not the PS5 is easy to get the game running on. Its a matter of how much time and effort does Sonic Team want to spend tweaking how it looks to use the PS5's capabilities.

That's be 5 years since the last Sonic title Sonic Team made.

Add on two new consoles to make it for and it may be Forces again. They spent 3 of that games 4 year dev cycle making the graphics engine...

@ChromaticDracula Ah yes, the Octopath Engine.

Or to us normies, Unreal Engine 4

That's still $85 for a PS5 game.

Well, it's better than nothing? 🤷

THQNordic strikes again with another average at best title.

@itsfoz That price is what is currently listed for the Anniversary Edition on the PS Store yeah.

@AK4tywill Thinking about it more, surely the original base game at launch was $60/£50 or thereabouts.

How did the entire thing get discounted with add-ons in AMerica, but more expensive here?

Bruh

@OorWullie Just read that.

Had to rub my eyes.

It costs HOW MUCH HERE?!

$40 in America.

$80 in Britain.

Ah yes, Summer Games Mess, which was 4 months + of just....random announcements.

Tune in on this day for this thing. Now this thing next week. Okay now who's doing what and when?

Get ya flowcharts out people

@Grumblevolcano They went the Nintendo route and then some.

Nintendo goes for 33% off, so a £50 game (their high price save for BOTW and Smash) drops to between £30 and £35.

For Sony, a £70 game dropping to £60 is...not even 20%.

So yeah they're trying a Nintendo, holding value in their games, except now they are a higher price than even them by a large margin, and the deals are worse.

At least here in the UK I can pay £85 for two Switch game vouchers and as long as Nintendo is the publisher it doesn't matter the price, you get the game. £100 worth of games for £85 plus you get gold points for other small savings from those purchases.

Never thought I'd say this but for once Nintendo has the better digital deals. Yikes.

Oh boy. The same weapons we've been seeing game in and game out since 2007 with Tools of Destruction. Buzz Blades, Mr Zurkon, surprised the Combustor isn't back again.