It says something that the main one of the three, Middle Earth and Friends (lmao what) is the one that seemingly struggles to release anything. The other two manage just fine to pump out releases even if they aren't incredible.
To give context for how long this game has been MIA: It was first billed as Switch exclusive. Then it got Game Pass at launch attached to it, so the initial deal obviously ran out.
Now it's going to everything Day One.
When you're exclusivity deals are expiring before your game comes out, it needs to be a damn good game.
"The news comes directly from publisher Atlus, via the game's new accolades trailer (which just so happens to include your favourite PlayStation website)."
@Shepherd_Tallon Turns out this guy did it with Nintendo too and they ended up making a specific investor relations Twitter account as what he reported was so far from the truth and would have caused actual series damage with shareholders.
Remember, Nintendo platforms are for Nintendo's own games (until they jump to PC too which they will one day) and the third party games they either fund themselves (which may move later like Wonderful 101), or bought timed exclusivity for.
And then there's the games that are elsewhere but Nintendo ends up publishing on their platform just to have it.
@B0udoir I'm afraid when you play Sonic Frontiers on any platform those 2D assets are still popping in mere metres away from you. It's hilarious running at max settings at 4K on PC and the universe still teleports in and out 🤣
Miyanoto said in an interview that BOTW needed to sell 2m units to start being profitable after 6 years of development. That puts it around $120m.
Plus also consider, Mario Kart 8 has sold 60m units. Plus DLC. All that money isn't being funneled exclusively into the next one. It's being spread around for smaller titles, more niche games, library fillers. That's how they work the business.
Big hits fund smaller titles for variety and bulk out the library.
Sony's problem, and the industry at large, is the budgets are so damn high they only have the option of profits going exclusively into the next game because they can't sell enough to have enough funds to spread around.
Well when you have a contract with the government of Singapore to have a subsidised game studio in the country and therefore whatever that game is has to come out.....after so many years of development hell I'd be gassing it up to to try and recoup ANYTHING at all.
The industry makes more money than Hollywood yet he insists on bringing out Hollywood people to pull views to get that ad revenue and more eyes on trailers, yet only gives some, not all, award winners 30 seconds to speak.
But if we had more time to the people behind the games and not the content creators, eSports players and the voice actors, and more time to the award winners in a similar timeslot that he keeps giving Kojima, then the people behind the games could become as big as the Hollywood names and it'll all work out.
And sure, it'd drag on, but its already 4 damn hours of ads for crying out loud. It drags on as it is.
For a show that wants to award the best games and the best the industry has, we sure dont see them.
The same way other devs like the team behind Warframe found an optimisation by porting to Switch, plus stuff like the Ori team developing new optimising techniques because of it.
Sometimes having a ceiling breeds innovation that benefits everyone.
@get2sammyb Agreed that the money COULD fund loads of other single player games.
But, doing 12 at once? That's a lot of development cost, and we already know Deviation Games had theirs canned, so thats already sunk costs to be recovered by whichever of the twelve is successful.
But then, saying you're going to realise 12 and hope one sticks....that's not inspiring confidence. That's saying quite plainly, throw it at the wall and see if it sticks, and with that knowledge that they most probably intend to can the 11 unsuccessful ones, why would you even bother getting invested in any of the games at all?
If it was three or four, sure. But 12? That's insane, and should the first 6 not land, then is there going to be any faith in the latter 6? Especially when the two we DO know of actually releasing anytime soon are Jade "Hasn't released a game in a decade" Raymond's "Transforming multiplayer" game that's just Payday, and whatever the hell Concorde is.
After the whole mess with losing the games in the first place, I think that remaking the whole lot is probably in their plans. Gives em games to remaster later on rather than trying to decompile retail copies of the originals again.
How the hell does that work? The thing just clips in and connects to the PS5. Does the drive contain a chip that tells it it's paired? Does the drive itself connect to the internet?
@Deoxyr1bose It's hard to say if it'll change in the interim. Obviously what's already in the pipeline will still come, and with an interim leader being the CFO, the guy counting the money Jim made them by doing his controversial moves....don't get hopes up too high.
It's amazing to me how Spyro started off as equal to Crash in status, right through the PS2 generation and even into their reboots where they both faded from obscurity (Crash went first there somehow with only 2 games to Spyro's three).
And then the remakes started with Crash, the safer bet, then Spyro, both back on equal treatment as it used to be and then....Spyro became a Crash Bandicoot character.
And here we are. He's gonna be added to Crash Team Rumble at some point, because of course he is, and that'll be about it.
@Luigia Bluetooth on the Switch was used for controllers first and foremost, with it opening to audio later.
This device has no need of Bluetooth, even though I wouldn't be stunned to see a Bluetooth chip in there anyway given factory level teardowns have revealed it's basically an Android tablet.
@get2sammyb I think buying up every developer, IP and publisher within arms reach and having over 400 games in active development with thousands of staff was already.....very weird, especially when we see just how few of those games actually come out over the past few years, and how.....eh.....they all are.
The money had to keep flowing, which meant constant investment into Embracer, and evidently, cold feet happened and it became unsustainable.
@KaijuKaiser You also get the vouchers to be fair, which, for a new game at launch over on my side of the pond, is a pair of vouchers for £84 (Not including gold points for a discount).
If I was to go buy Smash and Tears of the Kingdom with those two vouchers, that's £120 worth of games for £84. I'd say that's a pretty good discount on any Nintendo published digital title.
But, that's not the point. And I do believe @Smiffy01 also missed the point at large, for 8 people to get the highest tier of NSO...is the same price as the base tier of PS+ for one person. Think about that. 8 people get online access for the same price as one on another system. Sure there are other perks around it, but when you really break down what this is, a fee to play online, that's not a good look.
You also seem to have missed the rest of the post, which is about Sony going full proprietary again and price gouging, simply because they can. It's gonna keep happening, it always does with every company, it's now a matter of how far are they going to go.
Now they arent even using inflation as a justification, there has been no justification, and the quality of the service thus far, which they are already getting more money for than they used to by the way, which they have openly stated, hasn't improved.
So what is this price hike doing? Nothing. And we all know it's simply for profit.
I don't think there will be any improvements to the service. Sony has a history of this kind of stuff and we all know it.
Take the PlayStation Link accessories for instance, $150 or $200 for a headset or earbuds, but these are the only wireless options for your PS Portal because they omitted Bluetooth in favour of a new proprietary tech and gave some vague reason as to why. It reeks of the Vita needing memory cards because they expect certain speeds, but turns out SD Cards work just fine thanks.
I'm willing to bet if we open the PS Portal, there's a Bluetooth chip in there.
I also expect, for the new PS5 revision, that the existing, expensive, Pulse headset the system launched with wont work, because it'll use PS Link accessories instead. So that'd be two seperate headsets in not even 4 years, all because.....reasons?
It's the same with PS+, its a price increase....because they can. Sure, Xbox just raised the price of Game Pass and PS+ works out cheaper yearly, but the value proposition you can argue isn't there for that highest tier compared to the highest tier of Gamepass.
But also, $80 a year to play online? What in the hell is this? It says something that people online are starting to look at the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack Family Plan (For 8 people) and realise that's now the same price as as the base PS+.
When your traditional expensive and overpriced competitor is offering a bundle for 8 people at a discount to their highest tier for online and its the same price as you basic offering, there's something wrong.
If you're doing things with accessories that even Apple wouldnt do, there's something wrong.
Live services, increasing prices on consoles, games, services, locking you into new accessories by forced compatibility, it's all so unnecessary and yet here we are.
@ED_209 See, I can get that idea, but my thought is Sony wants to maintain the PS Plus sub levels that CoD brings in, because let's be honest that's basically it for them in terms of paid multiplayer games.
So they're honestly more likely to have their live service games be paid retail releases that you then need to subscribe to PS+ for, with in game purchases. Just like Call of Duty.
@lightningbolt79 and you can only use wireless headphones with it if you buy the new expensive ones that use a proprietary tech for connecting because Sony does that again, and you can't use Bluetooth because it's not supported.
So you can't even use your expensive PS5 headset from when the PS5 launched. It's insane
I find it interesting that some of the best and most played "live service" games are the ones that didn't really start out with that goal.
Fortnite, Mario Kart 8, Splatoon, Call of Duty managed to adapt into it.
A lot of the failures seem to come from diving head first into trying to force it when almost all the big hits got there slowly, or by complete accident.
@Splat Unfortunately some storefronts, platforms or publishers don't provide digital sales data, and more often than not, that digital data is paywalled even to outlets.
So until both of those things changes, sales charts are by and large meaningless as an objective look at sales. Though even now through extrapolation and the idea of "roughly half of sales are digital" you can still get some rough estimate.
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Re: Warner Bros Revenue Plummets as Suicide Squad Falls Completely Short of Hogwarts Legacy
Why on god's green earth is WB so insistent on making Suicide Squad a thing? Several movies, a game, comics, a damn anime....
Re: Stellar Blade Wanted Its Collectible Cans to Be Based on Real Brands Like Pepsi
I bet the final outfit would have given her Pepsi Cans.
I'll see myself out.
Re: Rumour: Kingdom Hearts 4 Slated for 2025 Release
Nah, there hasn't been 8 games setting up side plots and characters yet.
Re: Embracer Group Is Now Splitting into Three Separate Companies
It says something that the main one of the three, Middle Earth and Friends (lmao what) is the one that seemingly struggles to release anything. The other two manage just fine to pump out releases even if they aren't incredible.
Re: A New Xbox Store Page Has Fans Aflutter for Hollow Knight: Silksong Once Again
To give context for how long this game has been MIA: It was first billed as Switch exclusive. Then it got Game Pass at launch attached to it, so the initial deal obviously ran out.
Now it's going to everything Day One.
When you're exclusivity deals are expiring before your game comes out, it needs to be a damn good game.
Re: Unicorn Overlord Sales Top Half a Million, Could Be Vanillaware's Fastest Selling Game
"The news comes directly from publisher Atlus, via the game's new accolades trailer (which just so happens to include your favourite PlayStation website)."
SixthAxis? OMG!
Anyway good on em.
Re: Rumour: PS5 Pro's 'Enhanced' Label Covers Resolution, Frame Rate, Ray Tracing Upgrades
@Czar_Khastik Game on PS5: Locked 1440p
Game on PS5 Pro: Targets 4K, comes in only ever hitting 1440p.
Label acquired
Re: Dragon Ball XenoVerse 2 Support Simply Never Ends as Four-Part Expansion Is Announced
This game will go on to rival One Piece at this rate.
Re: Take-Two Will Acquire Borderlands Dev Gearbox Entertainment
Who retains the ownership of the Medieval Times USB Drive?
Re: Hasbro Threatens More D&D Games as Baldur's Gate 3 Dev Chases Greener Pastures
Honestly this sub series of D&D has a history of passing from developer to developer after each game or so.and honestly, that's kinda cool.
Re: PS Portal Is Proving Everyone's Predictions Wrong
Hang on.
Suddenly Circana lists it as a peripheral despite Sony telling them when it launched to count it amongst consoles?
Re: Sony Allegedly Pausing PSVR2 Production Due to Surplus of Unsold Stock
@Shepherd_Tallon Turns out this guy did it with Nintendo too and they ended up making a specific investor relations Twitter account as what he reported was so far from the truth and would have caused actual series damage with shareholders.
Several times.
Re: Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail Fans Are at War
That gives me the weebie jeebies
Re: Proudly Represent Democracy with a Helldivers 2 Clothing Range
Represent democracy with unchecked consumerism.
This game nails it.
Re: Monster Hunter Stories 2 Also Coming to PS4 on the Same Day as the First Game
Remember, Nintendo platforms are for Nintendo's own games (until they jump to PC too which they will one day) and the third party games they either fund themselves (which may move later like Wonderful 101), or bought timed exclusivity for.
And then there's the games that are elsewhere but Nintendo ends up publishing on their platform just to have it.
Re: Embracer Group to Sell KOTOR Remake Studio in Deal Worth $500 Million
@Korra It would. But it also would have been most of their yearly profit so....sure if they want to add to the billions in debt they currently owe.
Re: Shin Megami Tensei 5: Vengeance on PS5, PS4 Confirmed, Out in June 2024
@B0udoir I'm afraid when you play Sonic Frontiers on any platform those 2D assets are still popping in mere metres away from you. It's hilarious running at max settings at 4K on PC and the universe still teleports in and out 🤣
Re: Sony Predicts Slide in PS5 Sales with No Major Existing IPs Planned Before March 2025
@themightyant We do.
Miyanoto said in an interview that BOTW needed to sell 2m units to start being profitable after 6 years of development. That puts it around $120m.
Plus also consider, Mario Kart 8 has sold 60m units. Plus DLC. All that money isn't being funneled exclusively into the next one. It's being spread around for smaller titles, more niche games, library fillers. That's how they work the business.
Big hits fund smaller titles for variety and bulk out the library.
Sony's problem, and the industry at large, is the budgets are so damn high they only have the option of profits going exclusively into the next game because they can't sell enough to have enough funds to spread around.
Re: Kojima: Your Mother Won't Be Able to Tell the Difference Between PHYSINT and a Movie
Well I should hope not. She's blind.
drumroll
Re: Ubisoft CEO Defends Skull and Bones Premium $70 Pricetag, Insists It's 'AAAA' Quality
Well when you have a contract with the government of Singapore to have a subsidised game studio in the country and therefore whatever that game is has to come out.....after so many years of development hell I'd be gassing it up to to try and recoup ANYTHING at all.
Re: Foamstars Releases 6th February as a PS Plus Essential Game
Wait, they already put a shelf life on the damn thing? Wow.
Re: PlayStation Wrap-Up 2023 Available Now, Check Out Your Gaming Stats
Well, this says it all.
You need 10 hours of playtime to get a recap.
RIP lmao
Re: The Game Awards Is Getting Ripped for Urging Award Winners to Wrap It Up
The industry makes more money than Hollywood yet he insists on bringing out Hollywood people to pull views to get that ad revenue and more eyes on trailers, yet only gives some, not all, award winners 30 seconds to speak.
But if we had more time to the people behind the games and not the content creators, eSports players and the voice actors, and more time to the award winners in a similar timeslot that he keeps giving Kojima, then the people behind the games could become as big as the Hollywood names and it'll all work out.
And sure, it'd drag on, but its already 4 damn hours of ads for crying out loud. It drags on as it is.
For a show that wants to award the best games and the best the industry has, we sure dont see them.
Re: 'Development Is Progressing' on Ubisoft's Troubled Prince of Persia Remake
Like many of Ubisoft games....I'll see you all in 4-8 years time.
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Bear% Sex Speedrun Record Set at 50 Minutes, 30 seconds
Sometimes I worry that speedrunners will try and do anything as fast as possible. Doesn't bode well for their partners.
That being said, casual sex is a thing, which means we finally have ranked competitive sex.
Re: Larian's Xbox Series S Optimization Efforts May Benefit Baldur's Gate 3 on PS5
The same way other devs like the team behind Warframe found an optimisation by porting to Switch, plus stuff like the Ori team developing new optimising techniques because of it.
Sometimes having a ceiling breeds innovation that benefits everyone.
Re: Sony Has Stopped Updating PS Plus' Subscriber Numbers
Is the only company that actually gives hard numbers regardless of how bad things are, Nintendo?
Xbox won't give hardware or subscriber updates anymore, Sony won't update subscription numbers either.
Re: Braid: Anniversary Edition Resurfaces Three Years Later with PS5, PS4 Release Date
15 hours of dev commentary can be used when you're stood on a cloud waiting for it to move one pixel at a time for almost an hour.
Re: Sony Delays Six Live Service PS5 Games, But Company Remains Committed to Model
@get2sammyb Agreed that the money COULD fund loads of other single player games.
But, doing 12 at once? That's a lot of development cost, and we already know Deviation Games had theirs canned, so thats already sunk costs to be recovered by whichever of the twelve is successful.
But then, saying you're going to realise 12 and hope one sticks....that's not inspiring confidence. That's saying quite plainly, throw it at the wall and see if it sticks, and with that knowledge that they most probably intend to can the 11 unsuccessful ones, why would you even bother getting invested in any of the games at all?
If it was three or four, sure. But 12? That's insane, and should the first 6 not land, then is there going to be any faith in the latter 6? Especially when the two we DO know of actually releasing anytime soon are Jade "Hasn't released a game in a decade" Raymond's "Transforming multiplayer" game that's just Payday, and whatever the hell Concorde is.
Re: Are There More Silent Hill Remakes Coming to PS5?
After the whole mess with losing the games in the first place, I think that remaking the whole lot is probably in their plans. Gives em games to remaster later on rather than trying to decompile retail copies of the originals again.
Re: You'll Need an Internet Connection to Pair PS5 Slim's Optional Blu-ray Drive
Hang on, wait.
How the hell does that work? The thing just clips in and connects to the PS5. Does the drive contain a chip that tells it it's paired? Does the drive itself connect to the internet?
What kind of Xbox One launch BS is this?
Re: Disney CEO Reportedly Being Pressured to Double Down on Gaming
And then shut em all 8 years later like they did last time.
Re: Jim Ryan Retires as PlayStation Boss in March 2024
@Deoxyr1bose It's hard to say if it'll change in the interim. Obviously what's already in the pipeline will still come, and with an interim leader being the CFO, the guy counting the money Jim made them by doing his controversial moves....don't get hopes up too high.
In the future? Who knows.
Re: Unity Promises Changes to Controversial New Policy After Causing 'Confusion and Angst'
Epic Games and GODOT just had a great week of free marketing.
But yeah, the statement doesn't really sound like they'll change the policy, rather they seem to think people don't know how it works.
Re: Secret PS5 Firmware Update Feature Spotlights Your Wall of Shame
Jokes on you, I never have to see it, I haven't turned my PS5 on in over a year.
I should probably go do that actually.
Re: Spyro Reignited Trilogy Glides Past 10 Million Sales as Series Turns 25
It's amazing to me how Spyro started off as equal to Crash in status, right through the PS2 generation and even into their reboots where they both faded from obscurity (Crash went first there somehow with only 2 games to Spyro's three).
And then the remakes started with Crash, the safer bet, then Spyro, both back on equal treatment as it used to be and then....Spyro became a Crash Bandicoot character.
And here we are. He's gonna be added to Crash Team Rumble at some point, because of course he is, and that'll be about it.
Re: PS5's Remote Play Handheld PS Portal Releases on 15th November
@Luigia Bluetooth on the Switch was used for controllers first and foremost, with it opening to audio later.
This device has no need of Bluetooth, even though I wouldn't be stunned to see a Bluetooth chip in there anyway given factory level teardowns have revealed it's basically an Android tablet.
So that'll be fun.
Re: Saints Row May Be Free on PS Plus Soon, But Its Developer Is No More
@get2sammyb I think buying up every developer, IP and publisher within arms reach and having over 400 games in active development with thousands of staff was already.....very weird, especially when we see just how few of those games actually come out over the past few years, and how.....eh.....they all are.
The money had to keep flowing, which meant constant investment into Embracer, and evidently, cold feet happened and it became unsustainable.
It almost reeks of a Ponzi scheme.
Re: PS5, PS4 Owners Are Understandably Irate with PS Plus Price Hike
@KaijuKaiser You also get the vouchers to be fair, which, for a new game at launch over on my side of the pond, is a pair of vouchers for £84 (Not including gold points for a discount).
If I was to go buy Smash and Tears of the Kingdom with those two vouchers, that's £120 worth of games for £84. I'd say that's a pretty good discount on any Nintendo published digital title.
But, that's not the point. And I do believe @Smiffy01 also missed the point at large, for 8 people to get the highest tier of NSO...is the same price as the base tier of PS+ for one person. Think about that. 8 people get online access for the same price as one on another system. Sure there are other perks around it, but when you really break down what this is, a fee to play online, that's not a good look.
You also seem to have missed the rest of the post, which is about Sony going full proprietary again and price gouging, simply because they can. It's gonna keep happening, it always does with every company, it's now a matter of how far are they going to go.
Now they arent even using inflation as a justification, there has been no justification, and the quality of the service thus far, which they are already getting more money for than they used to by the way, which they have openly stated, hasn't improved.
So what is this price hike doing? Nothing. And we all know it's simply for profit.
Re: PS5, PS4 Owners Are Understandably Irate with PS Plus Price Hike
I don't think there will be any improvements to the service. Sony has a history of this kind of stuff and we all know it.
Take the PlayStation Link accessories for instance, $150 or $200 for a headset or earbuds, but these are the only wireless options for your PS Portal because they omitted Bluetooth in favour of a new proprietary tech and gave some vague reason as to why. It reeks of the Vita needing memory cards because they expect certain speeds, but turns out SD Cards work just fine thanks.
I'm willing to bet if we open the PS Portal, there's a Bluetooth chip in there.
I also expect, for the new PS5 revision, that the existing, expensive, Pulse headset the system launched with wont work, because it'll use PS Link accessories instead. So that'd be two seperate headsets in not even 4 years, all because.....reasons?
It's the same with PS+, its a price increase....because they can. Sure, Xbox just raised the price of Game Pass and PS+ works out cheaper yearly, but the value proposition you can argue isn't there for that highest tier compared to the highest tier of Gamepass.
But also, $80 a year to play online? What in the hell is this? It says something that people online are starting to look at the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack Family Plan (For 8 people) and realise that's now the same price as as the base PS+.
When your traditional expensive and overpriced competitor is offering a bundle for 8 people at a discount to their highest tier for online and its the same price as you basic offering, there's something wrong.
If you're doing things with accessories that even Apple wouldnt do, there's something wrong.
Live services, increasing prices on consoles, games, services, locking you into new accessories by forced compatibility, it's all so unnecessary and yet here we are.
Re: Sony Has a State of Play Livestream for September, Rumours Suggest
@ED_209 See, I can get that idea, but my thought is Sony wants to maintain the PS Plus sub levels that CoD brings in, because let's be honest that's basically it for them in terms of paid multiplayer games.
So they're honestly more likely to have their live service games be paid retail releases that you then need to subscribe to PS+ for, with in game purchases. Just like Call of Duty.
Re: PS Portal's Battery Life Aiming to Match PS5 Controller
@NinjaNicky Yeah, we know. But much like with the Switch and people moaning you couldn't pair Bluetooth headphones with it, here we are again.
Re: PS Portal's Battery Life Aiming to Match PS5 Controller
@lightningbolt79 and you can only use wireless headphones with it if you buy the new expensive ones that use a proprietary tech for connecting because Sony does that again, and you can't use Bluetooth because it's not supported.
So you can't even use your expensive PS5 headset from when the PS5 launched. It's insane
Re: Poll: Is 'Live Service' Becoming an Excuse to Release Unfinished Games?
I find it interesting that some of the best and most played "live service" games are the ones that didn't really start out with that goal.
Fortnite, Mario Kart 8, Splatoon, Call of Duty managed to adapt into it.
A lot of the failures seem to come from diving head first into trying to force it when almost all the big hits got there slowly, or by complete accident.
Re: Assassin's Creed Mirage Release Date Pushed Forward as Game Goes Gold
Wow. Ubisoft not only got a game out, but it's coming earlier? Hell must have frozen.
Can't wait to see the potential state this launches in.
Re: Random: PlayStation Pasta Proves It's Fine to Play with Your Food
Cook it with bacon, a tomato and chilli sauce, freshly chopped veg like a bit of cucumber and onion.
And lots and lots of salt. No reason.
Re: Very Questionable Face Renders Are on the EA Sports FC Ultimate Edition Cover
What's Nigel Mansell with a mullet doing in the back?
Re: Over 56% of Final Fantasy 16 UK Launch Sales Were Digital, But the Charts Only Count Physical
@Splat Unfortunately some storefronts, platforms or publishers don't provide digital sales data, and more often than not, that digital data is paywalled even to outlets.
So until both of those things changes, sales charts are by and large meaningless as an objective look at sales. Though even now through extrapolation and the idea of "roughly half of sales are digital" you can still get some rough estimate.
Re: Sonic Origins Plus Isn't Even Out on PS5, PS4 Yet But Fans Are Already Mad
@Khayl I don't blame ya. It's two games called Sonic the Hedgehog released in 1991 and some of the zones are the same. 🤣
But it does prove that SEGA can never rerelease a game without issues.
Re: Sonic Origins Plus Isn't Even Out on PS5, PS4 Yet But Fans Are Already Mad
I'm gonna say, that certainly is in fact the Game Gear version of Sonic 1. Same zoom in and sound as it was back when it released.
Not exactly sure why the article brings up the Mega Drive version because they aren't the same game.