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@Toot1st it was 35% in 2024 and that worked out alright.

@Fiendish-Beaver enjoy your new toy my man!

I will hang off for a physical release as I prefer games on disc. Although it seems silly that to prevent disc owners giving spoilers, they will put them in a position to be spoiled by digital owners.

The cynical side of me feels that the fact they can charge more for digital and avoid cheaper sales, trade ins against a purchase, etc... may have a hand in this.

@LiamCroft appreciate the response Liam. Looking forward to this one

Hey, im trying to avoid spoilers so apologies if this is covered, but how is it running/looking on the pro?

Matt Berry should be in every game.

@DaPrince never has the 'im not a fanboy but...' type of comment been so visceral as what is on display in the barrage of comments you left here.

Did you read the article? The developer made a decision, nothing to do with Sony.

@Rich33 its more than likely the next xbox will just play the PC version anyway. Im more interested to see what happens when games like GTA focus on console releases first. Will they bother with an xbox version when, essentially, there wont be any need for an xbox version. What's the point of developing for a console that just plays pc games when you can save on your budget.

@FraserG hello there sir!

@belmont gran tourismo

@DrVenture69 I have the C1 OLED and there is certain hdmi ports that allow for 120hz to be used. I use HDMI 1 on mine and it works so maybe try that. You want the port that says HDMI 2.1 on it.

In your settings go to general-HDMI and turn deep colour on for the port your PS5 is in.

Hope you get it sorted.

Also the game optimiser is a bit iffy and will display something like 99 fps so dont focus to much on that. Keep tapping the green button on your remote and a little frame counter will pop up in the corner of the screen.

Im absolutely onboard with this. Anyone unsure should check him in sons of anarchy. Man will definitely carry himself well as kratos

@SMJ and you know this to be a fact........ how?

Feels like you are just moving the goal posts ever time somebody proves you wrong my man.

Yeah, they base it on user reviews. Even so if you do the maths the 300m doesn't deduct Sonys cut. This may be the usual 30% but could be 20% if negotiated as some places say. Its still a healthy profit for MS but Sony benefits as well without development, advertising, etc... costs.

Good business for all involved really.

@SMJ PS5 has sold at a profit since 2021. This was announced by Sony in an investors call and reported by multiple places.

@Toot1st yet they're going fown a PC route...

@OldGamer999 ahhh, apologies my man, I misread what you were saying.

@OldGamer999 xbox dont own Fifa my man, but its inevitable xbox would be the biggest publisher when they bought half of the industry.

The other side is that it doesn't really sell the idea of a new console to those at the top of MS when they make this much without one.

@MasterChiefWiggum yeah, the best possible outcome for the pro is max 40fps if that.

@OldGamer999 with the new MS machine being PC based, and the increasing likelihood of a high purchase cost, I imagine only the real hardcore xbox folks will go for it. Even then the cost may price them out. Anyone who prefers PC will probably already have a powerful machine or upgrade what they have.

I do think that the box wont be an xbox though except in name and brand as xbox is essentially heading towards just being an app/storefront. It will let you access your existing library through emulation or streaming, purchase new titles or access gamepass.

Essentially it wont sell millions but thats fine as I imagine MS know that already. Similar to the PS Pro. It was never going to be mass market so its sold at a higher price to the smaller pool of hardcore folks who will buy it.

PS games games will be on it a year or so later but even now, its a relatively small selection when you look at the whole. With things like Gran Tourismo still not going over.

Its inevitable we will all one day end up with just an app to play these games, MS are just trying to force it a little to soon in my opinion as technology is not quite there yet. The problem then goes back to folks buying into Sony's eco system in the meantime.

Plus things like Gamepass. While arguably a better service than Plus due to day one games, from a cost factor, Plus offers a bigger library at a cheaper price. Two very different approaches and I imagine folks could find the cheaper service the 'better' one for them.

Strange times ahead either way eh.

Sky Q being discontinued as such is mental isnt it. I read that the other day and did a double take. Streaming TV is very different to streaming games though, so in a way, I understand their move more when everyone is just watching Netflix, etc... anyway.

Edit: The flip side to MS going PC based, and ive said this a few times, is that all 'next gen' titles it plays will basically just be the Windows version. Not an 'xbox' port, as what's the point of essentially having two versions of the same code, one for xbox and one for PC, when the xbox is just a PC.

Now, if you imagine that jump had already taken place, big console games such as GTA 6 only release for PC at a much later date, effectively giving PS exclusivity as its the only true 'console' version. Rockstar themselves have said they focus on PC later due to the amount of variables the format has available. If xbox is running a PC version, as its essentially a PC, does that mean they will have to wait because to release it on the next box means all PC's will have access to it, and they dont want it releasing in a situation it may run terrible.

Not guaranteed obviously, but it does give food for thought.

@OldGamer999 for me, the reason I dont think games like uncharted or spiderman will go is that if it happens, it gives xbox folks zero reason to buy a PS5.

Similar to now where people view an xbox as no longer needed because all games are on PS5. If people believe its gonna happen the other way, its sales lost and, more importantly, the opportunity to pull someone into the ecosystem lost.

Next gen isnt even about which console is the best anymore. Its simply about not screwing the pooch and pushing folks away. Last gen people started really building digital libraries. The majority of folks buying consoles arent like you or I. They are the casual market. They will buy the new machine that plays what they already own. Xbox is never going to sway that and they know it, so they sell the games where the people are playing them. Its also why they are going down the PC route and appealing to the hardcore fanbase who will pay a premium cost for it.

Xbox is shrinking (sadly) in terms of new people entering the ecosystem, Sony is growing as the more people buy your box, the more likely they purchase games digitally and buy a new sub service.

Which, for me at least, is probably why Sony doesn't feel the need to move its big single player hitters over. No point giving all the cards away when youre already holding the better hand.

@RPGamer1994 you are a sad, strange little man.

Buzz lightyear, toy story.

@Jammer @Fiendish-Beaver thanks both, appreciated.

@Fiendish-Beaver im swinging between Cronos and Silent Hill F as my next game. Just wondered if you had played SHF as well to get your thoughts?

@11001100110zero yeah gamepass absolutely beat PS Now and it made sense to roll it into plus; However plus numbers have always been greater. The last actual release of sub numbers from Plus was in March 2023 and it had 47.4 million subscribers. Gamepass had 34 million in early 2024 from MS's last released. Theres been a first few more sales of ps5's since then but I wouldn't be surprised if it had hovered around that mark since.

I mean, thats still a fair amount of change MS made from subs, but the fact it hadn't caught Sony up from almost a year earlier demonstrates the slow growth. Now with minimal sales of the console its likely not moving the needle anywhere near a rate they needed. Day on was always a gamble, which is what a good business does, it just didnt work out this time.

Also, didnt think it was a dunk my man, nice to have a good conversation!

@11001100110zero I think they pinned all their hopes on people swarming to gamepass and it just didn't happen. Day one games works well when you have millions upon millions of subs and it continues to grow. The bottom line is it simply didnt. If it was all rosey they wouldn't be trying to milk the more loyal fanbase for every penny.

Lets not forget, gamepass doesn't even have as many subs as ps plus based on the last recieved numbers. Admittedly these were a few years ago but they even rolled gold memberships into it and it was nowhere near. All those sales of PS5 will likely mean a slight growth when you take into account churn or, more likely, the number sitting around the same mark.

I dont want xbox to stop making boxes - proper boxes, not uber expensive pc lites - but I just dont see it happening. The next xbox will likely be an app overlay playing PC versions of 'next Gen' titles and emulated versions of older titles. I mentioned a while back that if this was happening right now, things like GTA 6 would effectively be a playstation exclusive as its not being released on last gen boxes and the pc lite xbox would be reliant on a PC version.

With the report over on purexbox that both Sony and MS are looking to push the new consoles back due to RAM costs, I just dont see where xbox goes other than a PC app.

When the company who cant sell a console right now starts to put its games everywhere, thats not because they're good people.

Exclusives were everything to MS right up until sales plummeted. And then they wasnt.

Everything acquired in buyouts was going to be exclusives until they still struggled to sell consoles. Then it wasnt.

Exclusives matter as they sell your product. When your product isnt selling, then you make money back you invested in the games by putting them elsewhere.

Folks forever say well, MS gets a cut of every sale. They do. They also had to pay for development, advertising, publishing, etc... other platforms make money off these games with none of that overlay. Overlay which needs to be recouped.

Lets be honest, if gamepass was doing gangbusters then they wouldn't be doubling the price of it in one swoop. They certainly wouldn't be putting in house games elsewhere either.

The sad part of this is that we will all suffer from it as competition breeds innovation. And the main competition for Sony rolled over and bared its tummy the second it paid 78 billion dollars out.

Man, finally! DS2 is my top pick also. Its just so damn good. Both terms of visuals and gameplay. Just another level and I cannot get enough of it.

Terrible news. RIP sir.

@Joel_Lives or it could be people who wanted to buy it and enjoyed it. Its okay to dislike a game but why try to brush its sales numbers off as 'parents buying unwanted gifts'? Seems a bit daft.

Im not holding out hope for bloober to be patching anything. Still waiting on a proper silent hill 2 fix.

One of the response on twitter shows the whole structure. Seems to be a few folks who have found it.

https://x.com/MagGamerInc/status/1994934622807859256?t=wgEpMKbl1rEK_lwqD62Eag&s=19

@SuntannedDuck2 what are you playing on these days that so full of originality? I reckon I can hazard a guess.

@SuntannedDuck2 jesus mate, this all just reads like a tantrum. I mean, its a console. Who cares.

That fatal frame 2 remake can get in my belly

@Striker21 its tge same with all these companies in that figures are announced with plenty of smoke and mirrors. I do agree it contributed in a way, but when you look at live services, tale into account they merged gold and gamepass, price increases, etc... Gamepass revenue actually shrank.

They all do it though, irmts not exclusive to MS/Xbox. As I say, not once in these figures do they mention spending 69 billion (and thats just one of the few companies they swallowed). Even adding everything up across the board, it doesn't dent that hole they started in.

@Striker21 thats revenue. Not profit. Big difference.

They spent 68 billion on Activision. They finished the year in a big hole profit wise.

Also while you have referenced the 70% cut of games sold on ps elsewhere, you fail to take into account development costs. Yes, Sony only get 30%, but that game didnt cost them a penny to make.

I get you are a big defender of the brand and thats fine, but you are throwing very selective details out.

@Striker21 when did it become about the profits and not the games.

And for the record, you are referring to Microsoft. Xbox profits where absolutely not record breaking.

@LifeGirl to be fair to him, it feels like pure xbox is winding down these days. They rarely review games that arent on gamepass, opting for review roundup 'heres what people are saying about...' articles and only seem to post 3 or four articles on a good day.

I hope im wrong as they are a good bunch, but the vibe is there.

Well, this has my attention.

@Striker21 this would all be accurate if the majority of sales in this space didnt come from the casual market. People who care about a crossbred box for steam, epic, etc... are a tiny minority compared to the mass market buying these things.

While it may feel like a step forward for us, the bulk simply wont care. They will just buy the box that plays the games they already own.

Happened with the shift from PS4 to PS5 and those game collections have grown. Will repeat from PS5 to PS6.

MS know they cant shift that needle.

Im actually quite interested in this now.

At the end of the day, power is irrelevant. Its gonna take a minor miracle to get everyone that has built a digital library of games across PS4 and PS5 to just drop them and go to a new eco system.

PS6 will play them and once that message is clear, folks will just pick that up and carry on. The vast majority of sales come from people who dont even know sites like this exist. They dont bicker over which box does what. They will just hear that all the games they already own can be played on the new box and thats enough.

Hell, the only reason MS are looking to include steam is because they cant get PS owners to switch over. So they can use what they already in terms of PC tech to entice steam users to buy their new box. Its not to be nice to us gamers. Its simply the only way to get new purchasers on gamepass, because nothing else has worked.

In a word, meh. Just..... meh.

@Dogbreath The catch here is Sony arent trying to buy up half the market and MS will still be the biggest publisher in the world (if they drop out of the hardware business, which is hope they dont).

@darylb24 apologies if my point was missed. I do agree they should update it with the statement put out. It was more for the other more ardent fans that take every word they say as fact.

This is all speculation at the minute on both sides, but it jas reached a point where the statements Microsoft put out carry the same weight as some commenter on a forum.

Apologies again for confusion pal.

@darylb24 was the statement saying its only 4 games? That turned out accurate.

Was it about not releasing indiana jones on PS? Thats another bullseye.

Was it about how they wont increase prices or lay folks off if they get abk? They called that on the money.

My point is, as with any exec or official statement, not just from MS, it ain't worth sh*t.

@RoomWithaMoose imagine being this annoyed that a gaming website reported on gaming news.

@RoomWithaMoose If a site only reports the positive and ignores the negatives then, by your logic, that would also make it a fanboy site viewing the world through a lense.

I will wait for you to direct me to an article on Pure Xbox discussing this topic.

@RIGGOR_MORTIS christ.