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One of the response on twitter shows the whole structure. Seems to be a few folks who have found it.

https://x.com/MagGamerInc/status/1994934622807859256?t=wgEpMKbl1rEK_lwqD62Eag&s=19

@SuntannedDuck2 what are you playing on these days that so full of originality? I reckon I can hazard a guess.

@SuntannedDuck2 jesus mate, this all just reads like a tantrum. I mean, its a console. Who cares.

That fatal frame 2 remake can get in my belly

@Striker21 its tge same with all these companies in that figures are announced with plenty of smoke and mirrors. I do agree it contributed in a way, but when you look at live services, tale into account they merged gold and gamepass, price increases, etc... Gamepass revenue actually shrank.

They all do it though, irmts not exclusive to MS/Xbox. As I say, not once in these figures do they mention spending 69 billion (and thats just one of the few companies they swallowed). Even adding everything up across the board, it doesn't dent that hole they started in.

@Striker21 thats revenue. Not profit. Big difference.

They spent 68 billion on Activision. They finished the year in a big hole profit wise.

Also while you have referenced the 70% cut of games sold on ps elsewhere, you fail to take into account development costs. Yes, Sony only get 30%, but that game didnt cost them a penny to make.

I get you are a big defender of the brand and thats fine, but you are throwing very selective details out.

@Striker21 when did it become about the profits and not the games.

And for the record, you are referring to Microsoft. Xbox profits where absolutely not record breaking.

@LifeGirl to be fair to him, it feels like pure xbox is winding down these days. They rarely review games that arent on gamepass, opting for review roundup 'heres what people are saying about...' articles and only seem to post 3 or four articles on a good day.

I hope im wrong as they are a good bunch, but the vibe is there.

Well, this has my attention.

@Striker21 this would all be accurate if the majority of sales in this space didnt come from the casual market. People who care about a crossbred box for steam, epic, etc... are a tiny minority compared to the mass market buying these things.

While it may feel like a step forward for us, the bulk simply wont care. They will just buy the box that plays the games they already own.

Happened with the shift from PS4 to PS5 and those game collections have grown. Will repeat from PS5 to PS6.

MS know they cant shift that needle.

Im actually quite interested in this now.

At the end of the day, power is irrelevant. Its gonna take a minor miracle to get everyone that has built a digital library of games across PS4 and PS5 to just drop them and go to a new eco system.

PS6 will play them and once that message is clear, folks will just pick that up and carry on. The vast majority of sales come from people who dont even know sites like this exist. They dont bicker over which box does what. They will just hear that all the games they already own can be played on the new box and thats enough.

Hell, the only reason MS are looking to include steam is because they cant get PS owners to switch over. So they can use what they already in terms of PC tech to entice steam users to buy their new box. Its not to be nice to us gamers. Its simply the only way to get new purchasers on gamepass, because nothing else has worked.

In a word, meh. Just..... meh.

@Dogbreath The catch here is Sony arent trying to buy up half the market and MS will still be the biggest publisher in the world (if they drop out of the hardware business, which is hope they dont).

@darylb24 apologies if my point was missed. I do agree they should update it with the statement put out. It was more for the other more ardent fans that take every word they say as fact.

This is all speculation at the minute on both sides, but it jas reached a point where the statements Microsoft put out carry the same weight as some commenter on a forum.

Apologies again for confusion pal.

@darylb24 was the statement saying its only 4 games? That turned out accurate.

Was it about not releasing indiana jones on PS? Thats another bullseye.

Was it about how they wont increase prices or lay folks off if they get abk? They called that on the money.

My point is, as with any exec or official statement, not just from MS, it ain't worth sh*t.

@RoomWithaMoose imagine being this annoyed that a gaming website reported on gaming news.

@RoomWithaMoose If a site only reports the positive and ignores the negatives then, by your logic, that would also make it a fanboy site viewing the world through a lense.

I will wait for you to direct me to an article on Pure Xbox discussing this topic.

@RIGGOR_MORTIS christ.

@SMJ Im with you, I always say im a fan of games, not the box that plays them. It just came across in your comment a little like you were swinging from one side. Many of the points you raise arent relevant to this article. I do get it may have been unintended.

I also agree with you in that this was clearly a bit click baity to the blue side of the fence. Then again, Pure Xbox isnt reporting on the comments, so i guess someone has to.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont really.

@SMJ I mean, I get what youre saying, but it kinda comes across like you're upset because they arent cheering for your plastic box.

It’s pretty much getting to a point that the only defenders of this move are the staunchest of Xbox fans. Even on Pure Xbox there are people turning away in droves. I feel for the folks running that place as, while there are some good things in the oven game wise, there is consistent noise that overpowers everything. Usually from MS’s own doing.

I’m just waiting for folks to realise the Rog Ally is not an Xbox and there will be further uproar.

I mean, we are still waiting for the Silent Hill 2 fix for pro so I wouldnt be holding my hopes up for a quick fix.

@Slayer25c appreciated, thank you.

Hey Sammy, when are reviews expected to drop for this one? Im straddling the fence like a Cowboy on if i should pick it up.

@LifeGirl the distinctly average fantastic four has pulled in over 515 million dollars. I think doomsday will likely break the billion mark.

Time will tell i guess

@RoomWithaMoose I do get your points my man and im not taking anything away from them. I just saw the GP article as one about dealing with the pressures and problems of putting AAA games on a sub, day one. Obviously that applies more to Gamepass, but it also applies to Plus on occasion and also demonstrates why Sony maybe avoided it. The comments and quotes were negative in tone, that cant be changed but the points apply to all subs. The fact it doesn't really apply to plus is likely why it doesn't mention it. AAA games just dont drop day one on plus, so its not really a factor.

This article is more about how subs could help smaller studios. It just so happens that this is related to the playstation side on a playstation site, but I imagine the principle of the tale applies more so to gamepass as xbox really pushed indie studios on Gamepass and likely helped more in the same way we see here.

I do get why people are disgruntled but all this Gamepass/Plus bashing talk is just silly. Its gaming news that shows the positive and negatives of the current trend, subs. Personally, im not a fan of them but I can see how they help smaller studios regardless of which sub they are on. I also see how they cripple bigger studios trying to recoup costs.

Bring back tape cassettes I say 😂

@RoomWithaMoose The article focused more on Gamepass as the folks making the comments were doing so in relation to a MS AAA studio releasing games day one on a sub. Plus doesn't go this route regularly (if ever), so the point was more related to the negative side of that method and the struggles it causes. As confirmed by the people making the comments.

This one relates to a positive side of releasing on a sub. It could apply either way, to either sub, regardless of the company.

I think this sums up things really. Smaller titles, such as this, can benefit or flourish from being on a plus/gamepass type sub. It gets the game into hands and can benefit developers who need funding. As this confirms.

The flip side is big AAA's (which is what the gamepass article related to the other day in regard to bethesda), can find it a challenge as development costs aren't an issue, but recouping them when put on a sub will be.

@Fiendish-Beaver I tried the demo for hell is us over the weekend and I immediately knew I would love it. Gonna pick it up over the next week or so I think

@Rodster Hey! Welcome. Good post and its always good to get balanced, well explained opinions, so dont apologise!

I agree with everything you have said. Gamepass is great value, but its almost like its too good value. So much so that its hobbled itself. A lot of folks have used loophole upon loophole to stack their subs and use valid things (like reward points) to play 50, 60, 70 pound games for nothing. There comes a point were it has to bite.

I know people shout about record profits and the like but, like you, I just play the games I want to play on whatever box plays them. If someone let's me play a day one release for one pound then you can bet your ass im gonna use that to play it. Its just got to hit a wall at some point.

Excellent collection by the way. Hope you choose to stick around 🙂

@get2sammyb the real question here is did you repeatedly ask them to make a Thundercats game?

@Snick27 they already did. Theres a link to it right there in the article.

Jesus thats haunting and wrong on an incredible level. Who on earth even signed off on this?!?!

Surely letting more people access the trial would lead to more sales. I dont see the point of locking them behind a tier.

Please god just be good. That’s all I ask.

If you enjoyed Starfield then fair play to you. I just could not get on with it at all.

@Lup shinobi is a pretty reliable source who actually works for/with developers. Plus the man cooks some awesome bbq judging off the pictures he puts out.

@Oram77 Exactly. The 'war' is long over and no amount of games going multiplat will change the outcome. It was the digital libraries that fired the deciding shot. As you say, people simply wont leave their's behind, so you may as well sell the games where they are to get something from them.

Back in the day it was silly but at least the consoles back then were different machines with different capabilities. Nowadays its basically the same console in a different skin, so who cares which people choose to play the games on as long as we still get the games to play.

Wild times are indeed afoot.

@dardel locked 1440p on pro in performance mode. Rtx is enabled in quality mode which locks at 40fps. However, The RTX on console is hardly noticeable so not worth the frame rate hit according to Richard at DF.

Its getting to the point were i feel like the kids out of stand by me every time i go to PureXbox. Just making the journey so I can poke a bloated corpse with sticks.

@Reeneman Arrowhead made the game, but Sony own the ip. Its very much a Sony game. As I said above, its what used to be reffered to as a 2nd party title.

Christ, some people are just ridiculous. Its not even a first party game. Its a 2nd party title. A studio producing an ip Sony own and that relies on having people playing it to be a success. I for one will be happy to dive in (pun intended) with xbox players to help them find their feet.

Really nice of them to give people a nice stressful wait to find out if they have a job and the holiday weekend to let any bad news sink in.

Those tough decisions must be really grinding those bigwigs into the floor eh.

Slow seductive horror feels like 90% of my past relationships

Im all over this. Sounds like it could be up there with xenon 2 megablast soundtrack wise (especially the atari st version).

@Kienda again, they literally said at the beginning this presentation contains strong language and violence. If you watch beyond there then thats on you.

You said you had to cover your kids eyes. If you were watching it after you had watched it live, surely you knew what was coming. Again, thats on you.

Im not gonna tell you how to parent or what you should and shouldn't watch as an adult, but when something tells me its gonna have violence in it, im not shocked when it turns up.

Im not trying to have a go or anything, im just baffled how anyone can complain about violence and gore in something that warns you it contains violence and gore.

@Kienda it gave you a warning at the beginning and was aired at 10pm at night (in the uk at least). They pretty much ticked all the boxes they need to. Its kinda on you if you let young kids watch it.

I tend to watch it live and then rewatch the next day with my kid so I can skip anything unsuitable.