@Haruki_NLI arguably in the early days of a generation this is ridiculously important. Yes third party games sell best on the PS4 but being the market leader makes that easy. Early in the generation it very well could be these moves that influence someone to pick their machine over the competitors.
@Lycanthrope it only does that when youāre using a stance thatās ineffective against the enemy youāre fighting if Iām remembering right (i honestly canāt remember the last time it told me to switch stances). Switching stances to me got to be second nature after a while.
@Jacko11 I imagine any looseness issue you would normally encounter should be eliminated by this as the mechanism is now completely different. It wouldāve been entirely spring based in the past (Iām guessing here so if you know better please correct me) and Iād expect some metal fatigue to be a normal wear and tear issue with springs.
Iāve been logging in once a month to get my million and a free spin / money spending at the casino š¤£
The money is being spent as quickly as I get it though with the purchase of a hangar at the military base and a penthouse above the casino for higher stakes gambling š¤£. I plan on starting to save it soon. Hopefully.
So add on content made more for Sony (Nearly 2X) than all of Xbox last quarter. Wow.
Edited for clarity.
Edit 2: this isnāt accurate. 1.3bn was their increase not total revenue. Their total was 3.2bn which means Sony made 1bn less than all of Xbox in last quarter off add ons alone which is still impressive.
Took the 1.3bn as accurate when it wasnāt, my bad.
@Medic_Alert youāre the one trying to spin the facts.
Play anywhere- you mean like cross buy between PS4 and vita games while the vita was supported?
Sony may not be the most generous of companies with their return policies, thatās true. You can however get refunds on games youāve not played or were delayed etc.
Sony wasnāt the last one with cross play- opposite in fact. Final fantasy XI on PS2, Final fantasy XIV on PS4. The Xbox fans have a short memory to not remember MS blocking cross play while Sony allowed it.
As far as psnow you may think they treated it as an afterthought, and thatās a perfectly fine opinion to have. Donāt try to act like your opinion is fact though. Truth is they have 800+ titles on the service and have millions of subscribers. Iād suggest waiting to see if there is anything new announced with regards to psnow. You may be surprised.
Edit: also already covered backwards compatibility. Refer to my previous reply.
@Medic_Alert whatās he done? All he did was pivot from one form of DRM and people not owning their games model to a model where people pay you monthly for that model and call you consumer friendly for it. Open your eyes people!
@Richnj Iām not misunderstanding at all. In business if you donāt see good growth on a money losing venture it doesnāt take long before it gets cut. Time will tell, and MS has its work cut out for them to turn it profitable.
Theyāve got to exponentially grow their user base while adding new games to the service to keep their existing subscribers. All of which is very expensive.
@Medic_Alert looking at that number puts things into perspective though, PlayStation just announced like 5.3 Billion in the same quarter didnāt they?
Edit: yeah, 5.63 billion. Thatās a huge difference.
TLDR; PlayStation made 4.33 times as much as Xbox last quarter.
Edit: on further review I think 1.3bn was the increase not their full earnings.
@Medic_Alert the thing is though they said this once. Couldāve been for a certain time and not apply to the greater outlook at all. Cherry picking stats without giving all the information is what Microsoft does.
@Richnj so āhigh revenueā that itās not making them money. They want you to think itās high revenue so you donāt see that it sits on the edge, not enough increase in subscribers and it goes the way of Mixer.
@Richnj I firmly believe most people donāt use BC often if at all. Can still be a big sway for your library to carry over though.
You can try to talk yourself into believing MS will actually āwinā a generation if you like, but the status quo isnāt changing anytime soon. Wait and see.
@Hengist youāre failing to account for the many millions of ps+ subscribers who now have 200ish games in their libraries of games they keep access to staying with PlayStation 5 and PS+. This is going to be a big sway towards ps5.
@Hengist no, my point was that free online versus paid online did not make Sony win the generation, plus Sony had much better exclusives and many people bought a ps3 because it was cheaper than all the standalone blu-ray players as well.
Yes Sony ended up winning the generation over all, but the free online if it was a big deal wouldāve surely meant a landslide victory. š
@Masterrugg 90 million active live users is NOT giving the paid subscriber numbers. They just want you to think it is. The paid numbers are much lower Iām sure. Psn active users is stated at over 110 million. You were saying?
The people acting like this would be this huge win for Microsoft should remember that there was already a generation of free online versus paid online. It wasnāt a big deciding factor if you ask me, yes ps3 won out but it had the free online AND Sonyās exclusives. If true Microsoft may well have the free online but most certainly not the exclusives.
Honestly this really isnāt that surprising. Sonyās been absolutely killing it in the last days of PS4. The momentum going into PS5 is ridiculous and completely dwarfs where they were this same time last gen. Itāll be really interesting to see how this plays out early ps5 days.
The battery life of the DualShock 4 has always been absolutely fine. I get like 8 hours (probably more too I just know at least 8 hours) of playtime easy out of one charge. Whatās wrong with that honestly? If you need to play more than 8 hours on a charge then just get a second one for back up š
@Kefka2589 completely different scenario. They had to change every game to make them compatible. Something that doesnāt need to be done between current gen and next gen.
@Medic_Alert this is not like Microsoftās 360 backwards compatibility - theyāre just going to work. Right away. Your expectations that theyāre not going to is just plain folly.
As far as your other comment, weāll revisit this after the systemās released and youāre proven wrong.
@Ridwaano PlayStation + is already fine honestly, itās better than gold lately thatās for sure. As far as them maybe removing the need for gold, they might but the new requirement for online play would be gamepass no doubt. Theyāre not going to make online free when they are the ones who came out with it in the first place and it would be a major loss to their balance sheet.
@Medic_Alert how are you still repeating this stuff?!
Weāre expecting backward compatible titles will run at a boosted frequency on PS5 so that they can benefit from higher or more stable frame rates and potentially higher resolutions.
The only titles that would need to be updated by the developers are ones that donāt work which should be few and far between:
We believe that the overwhelming majority of the 4,000+ PS4 titles will be playable on PS5.
This information has been known about for MONTHS now. š¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļø
@__jamiie yeah, psvr was a wow moment for sure for me too. Iām really looking forward to the experiences that will be possible in vr on the ps5 too though and that a major win for Sony in my opinion. VR is amazing.
@__jamiie Iāve not been blown away. I was impressed with the speed of the transitions in ratchet and clank and Iām definitely looking forward to Demons Souls and Horizon 2 of the top of my head.
Edit: and the Series x does have some good specs too for sure.
@__jamiie buddy, why the aggression? We should all be happy that developers are getting the bottlenecks removed. This means they can do things that they just couldnāt before. Artists free to make what they envision is a good thing for all.
When the people who make the games are happy that can only mean good things for the gamers who play their games. And the developers are happy indeed with Sony both this current gen and in the lead-up to next gen.
@__jamiie for the ps5 itās the entire I/O. Donāt take my word for it; Iāve linked proof to you earlier. Itās all about Sony removing the bottlenecks that were limiting game design essentially.
@__jamiie the quality of games Sony has to offer, not just at launch. Itās an undeniable fact at this point; Sonyās got the better games (granted itās mostly subjective, but critically itās a fact).
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Re: Reaction: State of Play Continues to Find Its Way
@Bejito81 glass half empty type eh... you could choose to look at it as only 28% were unhappy with it.
Re: PS5 Moneyhat Speculation Rumbles On
@Haruki_NLI arguably in the early days of a generation this is ridiculously important. Yes third party games sell best on the PS4 but being the market leader makes that easy. Early in the generation it very well could be these moves that influence someone to pick their machine over the competitors.
Re: PS5 Moneyhat Speculation Rumbles On
As someone who is going to be getting a PS5 this is good news! Bring me the games š
Re: Play the Entire Hitman Trilogy on PSVR From January 2021
This is absolutely wonderful news if you ask me! Canāt wait to be agent 47!
Re: Ghost of Tsushima Patch 1.06 Buffs Traveller's Attire, Fixes Some Bugs
@Lycanthrope it only does that when youāre using a stance thatās ineffective against the enemy youāre fighting if Iām remembering right (i honestly canāt remember the last time it told me to switch stances). Switching stances to me got to be second nature after a while.
Re: Feature: 8 Ways PS5's Adaptive Triggers Could Improve Immersion
@Jacko11 I imagine any looseness issue you would normally encounter should be eliminated by this as the mechanism is now completely different. It wouldāve been entirely spring based in the past (Iām guessing here so if you know better please correct me) and Iād expect some metal fatigue to be a normal wear and tear issue with springs.
Re: Feature: 8 Ways PS5's Adaptive Triggers Could Improve Immersion
@Mostik only adaptive buttons are L2 and R2.
Re: Feature: 8 Ways PS5's Adaptive Triggers Could Improve Immersion
Great examples of how it could be used. Looking forward to what the devs come up with.
Re: Marvel's Avengers Details Even More Reasons to Play on PS5, PS4
I predict much grumbling in the comments from the usual few about this.
Re: GTA Online Gets Exclusive Content on Next-Gen Consoles, GTA 5 Will Be 'More Responsive'
Iāve been logging in once a month to get my million and a free spin / money spending at the casino š¤£
The money is being spent as quickly as I get it though with the purchase of a hangar at the military base and a penthouse above the casino for higher stakes gambling š¤£. I plan on starting to save it soon. Hopefully.
Re: GTA Online Gets Exclusive Content on Next-Gen Consoles, GTA 5 Will Be 'More Responsive'
@AdamNovice this is my hope as well. This would instantly be my most played psvr game.
Re: PlayStation Makes More Money from DLC, Microtransactions Than Anything Else
@ShogunRok that is an excellent point about the cash cow that is gta online.
Re: PlayStation Makes More Money from DLC, Microtransactions Than Anything Else
So add on content made more for Sony (Nearly 2X) than all of Xbox last quarter. Wow.
Edited for clarity.
Edit 2: this isnāt accurate. 1.3bn was their increase not total revenue. Their total was 3.2bn which means Sony made 1bn less than all of Xbox in last quarter off add ons alone which is still impressive.
Took the 1.3bn as accurate when it wasnāt, my bad.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Medic_Alert youāre the one trying to spin the facts.
Play anywhere- you mean like cross buy between PS4 and vita games while the vita was supported?
Sony may not be the most generous of companies with their return policies, thatās true. You can however get refunds on games youāve not played or were delayed etc.
Sony wasnāt the last one with cross play- opposite in fact. Final fantasy XI on PS2, Final fantasy XIV on PS4. The Xbox fans have a short memory to not remember MS blocking cross play while Sony allowed it.
As far as psnow you may think they treated it as an afterthought, and thatās a perfectly fine opinion to have. Donāt try to act like your opinion is fact though. Truth is they have 800+ titles on the service and have millions of subscribers. Iād suggest waiting to see if there is anything new announced with regards to psnow. You may be surprised.
Edit: also already covered backwards compatibility. Refer to my previous reply.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Medic_Alert
Digital refunds - copied from steam
Championed cross play- you have them confused with SONY here who was trying to make cross play a thing as far back as PS2 days
Adaptive controller- you mean like pc has had options for for a very long time?
Free backwards compatible games - you mean like Sony had on ps2 and early models of PS3?
Gamepass on both Xbox and PC- you mean like SONY has had with PSNOW much longer than gamepass was even a thing?
Day and date exclusives with gamepass- Iāll give you this one; only MS is foolish enough to devalue their major exclusives.
Notice a trend?
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Medic_Alert whatās he done? All he did was pivot from one form of DRM and people not owning their games model to a model where people pay you monthly for that model and call you consumer friendly for it. Open your eyes people!
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Medic_Alert Time will tell. I want there to be competition as it pushes innovation. I just donāt think MS understands gamers. They never have.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Richnj Iām not misunderstanding at all. In business if you donāt see good growth on a money losing venture it doesnāt take long before it gets cut. Time will tell, and MS has its work cut out for them to turn it profitable.
Theyāve got to exponentially grow their user base while adding new games to the service to keep their existing subscribers. All of which is very expensive.
I wouldnāt bet on it.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Medic_Alert looking at that number puts things into perspective though, PlayStation just announced like 5.3 Billion in the same quarter didnāt they?
Edit: yeah, 5.63 billion. Thatās a huge difference.
TLDR; PlayStation made 4.33 times as much as Xbox last quarter.
Edit: on further review I think 1.3bn was the increase not their full earnings.
Re: Big PS Now Update Brings Hitman 2, Greedfall, Dead Cells, More
But wait! THEREāS MORE! š¤£
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Medic_Alert the thing is though they said this once. Couldāve been for a certain time and not apply to the greater outlook at all. Cherry picking stats without giving all the information is what Microsoft does.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Medic_Alert not buying it at all. Easy to give numbers without any proof at all.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Richnj so āhigh revenueā that itās not making them money. They want you to think itās high revenue so you donāt see that it sits on the edge, not enough increase in subscribers and it goes the way of Mixer.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Masterrugg https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/02/01/playstation-network-revenue-hit-record-high-in-2018-topped-nintendo-and-xbox-totals
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/02/psn_earned_usd12_48_billion_for_sony_in_2019
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/02/psn_alone_generated_more_revenue_than_the_entirety_of_nintendo_in_2018
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Masterrugg respectfully, you have no idea what youāre talking about.
Psn and services makes more money for Sony than ALL of XBOX DOES FOR MICROSOFT. Without even counting Sonyās hardware sales. š¤£š¤£
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Richnj I firmly believe most people donāt use BC often if at all. Can still be a big sway for your library to carry over though.
You can try to talk yourself into believing MS will actually āwinā a generation if you like, but the status quo isnāt changing anytime soon. Wait and see.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Hengist youāre failing to account for the many millions of ps+ subscribers who now have 200ish games in their libraries of games they keep access to staying with PlayStation 5 and PS+. This is going to be a big sway towards ps5.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Hengist the last point about amazon is just plain false in my experience. The deals with ps+ are quite commonly crazy good deals below anywhere else.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Hengist no, my point was that free online versus paid online did not make Sony win the generation, plus Sony had much better exclusives and many people bought a ps3 because it was cheaper than all the standalone blu-ray players as well.
Yes Sony ended up winning the generation over all, but the free online if it was a big deal wouldāve surely meant a landslide victory. š
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@DeepSpace5D exactly.
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Hengist completely avoiding the main point. š¤¦āāļø
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
@Masterrugg 90 million active live users is NOT giving the paid subscriber numbers. They just want you to think it is. The paid numbers are much lower Iām sure. Psn active users is stated at over 110 million. You were saying?
Re: As the PS Plus Debate Rages, Sony Registers Record Subscribers
The people acting like this would be this huge win for Microsoft should remember that there was already a generation of free online versus paid online. It wasnāt a big deciding factor if you ask me, yes ps3 won out but it had the free online AND Sonyās exclusives. If true Microsoft may well have the free online but most certainly not the exclusives.
Re: PlayStation Records Best Ever Q1 Earnings as PS4 Game Sales Reach New Heights
Honestly this really isnāt that surprising. Sonyās been absolutely killing it in the last days of PS4. The momentum going into PS5 is ridiculous and completely dwarfs where they were this same time last gen. Itāll be really interesting to see how this plays out early ps5 days.
Re: Rumour: PS5 Controller's Battery Life 3 to 4 Hours Longer than DualShock 4
@Orpheus79V if you only get 3-4 hours out of a charge youāve got a messed up controller
Re: Rumour: PS5 Controller's Battery Life 3 to 4 Hours Longer than DualShock 4
The battery life of the DualShock 4 has always been absolutely fine. I get like 8 hours (probably more too I just know at least 8 hours) of playtime easy out of one charge. Whatās wrong with that honestly? If you need to play more than 8 hours on a charge then just get a second one for back up š
Re: Poll: What PS5 Information Do You Want Most?
@Kefka2589 completely different scenario. They had to change every game to make them compatible. Something that doesnāt need to be done between current gen and next gen.
Re: Poll: What PS5 Information Do You Want Most?
@Medic_Alert sure thing bud. As I said weāll revisit this when the system is released and youāre proven wrong.
Edit: as to the why are they testing question; to check for any issues obviously as they already said. Code can be funny like that.
Re: Poll: What PS5 Information Do You Want Most?
@Medic_Alert this is not like Microsoftās 360 backwards compatibility - theyāre just going to work. Right away. Your expectations that theyāre not going to is just plain folly.
As far as your other comment, weāll revisit this after the systemās released and youāre proven wrong.
Re: Poll: What PS5 Information Do You Want Most?
@Ridwaano PlayStation + is already fine honestly, itās better than gold lately thatās for sure. As far as them maybe removing the need for gold, they might but the new requirement for online play would be gamepass no doubt. Theyāre not going to make online free when they are the ones who came out with it in the first place and it would be a major loss to their balance sheet.
Re: Poll: What PS5 Information Do You Want Most?
@Medic_Alert how are you still repeating this stuff?!
The only titles that would need to be updated by the developers are ones that donāt work which should be few and far between:
This information has been known about for MONTHS now. š¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļø
Source: https://blog.playstation.com/2020/03/18/unveiling-new-details-of-playstation-5-hardware-technical-specs/
Re: PS5 DualSense Create Button: What Does It Do?
I like the sound of scene tagging for sure.
Re: PS5 Completely Outpacing Xbox Series X in Terms of Popularity, Says New Research
@__jamiie yeah, psvr was a wow moment for sure for me too. Iām really looking forward to the experiences that will be possible in vr on the ps5 too though and that a major win for Sony in my opinion. VR is amazing.
Re: PS5 Completely Outpacing Xbox Series X in Terms of Popularity, Says New Research
@__jamiie Iāve not been blown away. I was impressed with the speed of the transitions in ratchet and clank and Iām definitely looking forward to Demons Souls and Horizon 2 of the top of my head.
Edit: and the Series x does have some good specs too for sure.
Re: PS5 Completely Outpacing Xbox Series X in Terms of Popularity, Says New Research
@__jamiie buddy, why the aggression? We should all be happy that developers are getting the bottlenecks removed. This means they can do things that they just couldnāt before. Artists free to make what they envision is a good thing for all.
When the people who make the games are happy that can only mean good things for the gamers who play their games. And the developers are happy indeed with Sony both this current gen and in the lead-up to next gen.
Re: PS5 Completely Outpacing Xbox Series X in Terms of Popularity, Says New Research
@Dezzy70 š
Re: PS5 Completely Outpacing Xbox Series X in Terms of Popularity, Says New Research
@__jamiie for the ps5 itās the entire I/O. Donāt take my word for it; Iāve linked proof to you earlier. Itās all about Sony removing the bottlenecks that were limiting game design essentially.
Re: PS5 Completely Outpacing Xbox Series X in Terms of Popularity, Says New Research
@Dezzy70 well thatās uncalled for. Why this response anyways??
Edit: nevermind itās a reply to that fanboy who created an account to insult me š¤£š¤£
Re: PS5 Completely Outpacing Xbox Series X in Terms of Popularity, Says New Research
@__jamiie what Sony has done with the I/O is being called revolutionary by devs though.
One example, there are more: https://www.gamesradar.com/ps5-one-of-the-most-revolutionary-inspired-home-consoles-ever-designed-says-the-order-1886-developer/
Re: PS5 Completely Outpacing Xbox Series X in Terms of Popularity, Says New Research
@__jamiie the quality of games Sony has to offer, not just at launch. Itās an undeniable fact at this point; Sonyās got the better games (granted itās mostly subjective, but critically itās a fact).