“ Ambisonics is a full-sphere surround sound format or a means of representing the sound field at a point or in space. Unlike conventional stereo and surround sound formats (which are based on the principle of panning audio signals to specific speakers), ambisonics captures the full directivity information for every soundwave that hits the microphone. Crucially, this also includes height information, as well as the full 360° around the microphone.”
Edit: now, that you’ve read that try and fathom what that means when coupled with the tempest 3D audio engine.
I hope you come to the conclusion that it’s far better than “7.1” as it very clearly is.
I’m not sure how you think I’m being sensitive by trying to show you that the information to alleviate your fears was actually included the whole time for those with the appropriate technical knowledge to understand what was said 😏😉
@ORO_ERICIUS that’s a good point that I forget about a lot since where I live the threat is minimal as there is no community spread of the virus at all currently here.
@dr_lovejoy is it just me or are people super sensitive on the internet now...
I never said you said it was a technical demo, I was saying it’s not like he was giving one. There’s a big difference there.
You know it could be 7.1.4 (likely even far better) and he just said 7.1. The truth is it’s probably neither. 3D audio cannot be quantified like that really if there’s thousands of possible directions the sound could be coming from.
In any event, I happen to agree that more information would be good. This is likely one of those things they’re not talking about too much though because it has to be experienced to truly “get it”.
I meant no offence to you or your original comment, simply that people shouldn’t jump to conclusions or assume anything.
I’m sure if we had access to the stats you’d see more than 75% on a TV rather than a monitor (I’m being very generous in my estimation for how many would possibly use a monitor I think).
@TheArt he’s only got 1223 trophies with that many platinums. I’ve only got 6 platinums but I’m 296 because I have a crap load of other trophies (2854 total). Platinums are worth more than others.
@TheArt on further investigating into it I found the size of the patch was only 500mb and downloading recompressed assets would no doubt be much higher than that I imagine so it seems I was likely too quick to attribute it to kraken+oodle textures. It will be making for some crazy fast load and streaming though.
My bad. This is some impressive stuff whatever the method.
@SilkySmile89 very nice bud. Need I remind you that I’ve provided absolute proof of what I say. I’m not arguing about whether his claims are attainable or when they’ll be attained, but that is what he said. Literally.
I’m sorry I can get a little frustrated from time to time, but I don’t know how much clearer I can be.
My very first reply:
“ Ok let’s clear up a few things as I seem to always have to do on these ps5 ssd stories.
First: you do not need a 7.0 GB/S drive they merely said it needed to be slightly faster than their 5.5GB/S drive to be compatible possibly 6.0GB/s even. They did not specify minimum merely “slightly faster”
Second: 9.0GB/S is the typical compressed speed - it can go up to 22GB/s with especially well compressed data
I care not if you agree these are the things that were said.
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg
I’m not sure why I bother to keep correcting this time and time again, probably because I despise misinformation.
Edit 2: proof of top speed if you don’t want to go through the video: “ The I/O unit itself, however, is capable of outputting as much as 22GB/s if the data compressed well.”
Source: https://developer-tech.com/news/2020/mar/18/sony-mark-cerny-deep-dive-ps5-developers/”
I prove what I say in here with not one (direct video evidence with time stamps), but 2 sources.
I’m not saying they will be getting 22GB/S right away or at all, merely that’s what he’s saying the ceiling is.
I also tell you where to find the information on the speed of the drive required.
End of the day I don’t care if you don’t believe what they say as I’m not defending them, merely relaying what they’re saying.
For this @BAMOZZY goes on explanations as to why this isn’t right and blah blah blah calling me an idiot for not understanding all the while ignoring that I’m not the one making the claims, I’m merely saying that’s what he said - AND IT IS.
If you have a problem with what he said and you don’t agree I’m not the one you should be talking to, as I literally have no reason to believe you over him. Period.
Is that freaking simple enough??
Edited: as it wasn’t you but bamozzy that was going on and on, and in my reply I didn’t make that clear
@BAMozzy “ so now you presume to say what he meant to say rather than what he did say. My god man your arrogance knows no bounds.
I repeat:
“ @BAMozzy just stop. I’ve provided proof of everything I say while the only thing you do is try to explain why it can’t when they’ve already had real world results proving it can.
My god man. Just stop.
I’ll take mark Cerny’s word for it over Arrogant BAMOzzy’s any day of the week:
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg 17:30-18:00 minutes.
You’re saying mark Cerny who is a reliable source and quite brilliant system engineer is lying then. Whatever you say arrogant pr*ck 🤡🤣🤣”
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“*
“up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“*
You don’t even understand something when it’s right in front of your damn face. 🤡🤦♂️🤦♂️
Edit: I’m repeating this from now on as there’s nothing further to say. I said what mark Cerny said, no further discussion is required.
You don’t have to believe him but don’t say what he meant to say, and don’t say I’m wrong. I have proof, meanwhile you have your assumptions.”
None of what you say they meant is what MARK CERNY ACTUALLY SAID. Ignore oodle texture. Take what MARK CERNY SAID AS LITERAL.
My god man. The mental gymnastics you’ll go through to try to prove yourself right is astounding.
@BAMozzy so now you presume to say what he meant to say rather than what he did say. My god man your arrogance knows no bounds.
I repeat:
“ @BAMozzy just stop. I’ve provided proof of everything I say while the only thing you do is try to explain why it can’t when they’ve already had real world results proving it can.
My god man. Just stop.
I’ll take mark Cerny’s word for it over Arrogant BAMOzzy’s any day of the week:
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg 17:30-18:00 minutes.
You’re saying mark Cerny who is a reliable source and quite brilliant system engineer is lying then. Whatever you say arrogant pr*ck 🤡🤣🤣”
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“*
“up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“*
You don’t even understand something when it’s right in front of your damn face. 🤡🤦♂️🤦♂️
Edit: I’m repeating this from now on as there’s nothing further to say. I said what mark Cerny said, no further discussion is required.
You don’t have to believe him but don’t say what he meant to say, and don’t say I’m wrong. I have proof, meanwhile you have your assumptions.
@BAMozzy I’ll just post this again because you completely and utterly ignore that MARK CERNY confirms beyond any reasonable doubt exactly what I said to be true.
“ @BAMozzy just stop. I’ve provided proof of everything I say while the only thing you do is try to explain why it can’t when they’ve already had real world results proving it can.
My god man. Just stop.
I’ll take mark Cerny’s word for it over Arrogant BAMOzzy’s any day of the week:
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg 17:30-18:00 minutes.
You’re saying mark Cerny who is a reliable source and quite brilliant system engineer is lying then. Whatever you say arrogant pr*ck 🤡🤣🤣”
P.S. he also clearly states that the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S there is no doubt as to what he meant unless you’re trying to save face and do mental gymnastics to prove yourself right. Some people are just plain clueless.
@BAMozzy just stop. I’ve provided proof of everything I say while the only thing you do is try to explain why it can’t when they’ve already had real world results proving it can.
My god man. Just stop.
I’ll take mark Cerny’s word for it over Arrogant BAMOzzy’s any day of the week:
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg 17:30-18:00 minutes.
You’re saying mark Cerny who is a reliable source and quite brilliant system engineer is lying then. Whatever you say arrogant pr*ck 🤡🤣🤣
@SilkySmile89 there is NO BOTTLENECK after the data is decompressed (or before even) is the point bud. The decompression is done in the main chip where it’s fed right to the GPU. Watch the road to PS5. Its literally all explained on there budz hell I could give you the pictures of it if there was an easy way to post them here.
Edit: I just rewatched the tear down of the series x and they never actually show where the internal ssd is located. They mention that the south board handles the I/O in the split board setup but never go into further detail.
@BAMozzy you don’t freaking learn anything. Ever. They are saying they’ve had these results. They’ve already freaking done it.
You’re impossible to talk to with your condescension and thinking you know it all. I’ve freaking linked you to where they have said they’ve hit compression ratio of 3.16 (and unless you’re a complete moron you know this with a ratio of 3.16 assuming full 5.5GB/S you’re hitting 17.38GB/S) directly from the makers of the tech and you refuse to accept it so at this point I’m just going to tell you to gf yourself. I can’t be any clearer.
Saying I clearly don’t know what I’m talking about when we’re talking about emerging tech. You’re a really arrogant pr*ck and you should be told that more judging from the way you talk to people.
Keep sticking your head in the sand if you wish but I’ve provided you with proof of what I say to be true. If you refuse to believe it that’s on you.
Imagine if people always simply said it can’t be done and stuck their heads in the sand as you do, after someone tells them they’ve had these real world results. Ignorance at its finest with you. slow clap... bravo
@BAMozzy “ Oodle Texture is used in conjunction with a generic lossless compressor. It works great with Oodle Data Compression but can also be used with compressors that may be built into your platform.” SUCH AS OODLE KRAKEN
@SilkySmile89 he specifically says they have addressed all the bottlenecks. Have you watched the entire video. It’s too much to go into but it’s all explained.
Edit:
Isn’t pcie 4.0 bandwidth in the realm of 68GB/s? (I realize now that’s for x16)
Edit: so I’ve reviewed the slides and I think where you’re getting messed up is the data that’s going through the 4 lanes of Pcie 4.0 which is 8.0GB/S capable would be the raw 5.5 GB/s data which then gets decompressed after and becomes possibly up to 22GB/s.
@SilkySmile89 actually mark Cerny said the upper I/O limit is 22GB/S. holy hell, why in the hell do I have to repeat the same information time after time?
Start it at about 17:30 (by18:00 I’m confirmed 100%right) for quick confirmation of what I say to be true: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg
Edit for confirmation of speed of drive start at 22:00 and by 23:00 I’m confirmed right on required speeds as well
Edit for drive speed you should actually start it a minute earlier. So 21:00 to 23:00. And listen to what he says carefully.
I’ve been actually wondering if maybe this is how Ghost of Tsushima loads as fast as it does. They might have been the first users of the tech “ Since then, Sony has licensed our new technology Oodle Texture for all games on the PS4 and PS5.”. Probably not but they did magic with that game’s loading.
@710King “ Not all games at launch of PS5 will be using Oodle Texture as it's a very new technology, but we expect it to be in the majority of PS5 games in the future“
@710King wrong bud;
“ Sony has previously published that the SSD is capable of 5.5 GB/s and expected decompressed bandwidth around 8-9 GB/s, based on measurements of average compression ratios of games around 1.5 to 1“
“Since then, Sony has licensed our new technology Oodle Texture for all games on the PS4 and PS5. Oodle Texture lets games encode their textures so that they are drastically more compressible by Kraken, but with high visual quality . Textures often make up the majority of content of large games and prior to Oodle Texture were difficult to compress for general purpose compressors like Kraken.
The combination of Oodle Texture and Kraken can give very large gains in compression ratio. For example on a texture set from a recent game :
Zip 1.64 to 1
Kraken 1.82 to 1
Zip + Oodle Texture 2.69 to 1
Kraken + Oodle Texture 3.16 to 1
Kraken plus Oodle Texture gets nearly double the compression of Zip alone on this texture set.”
“ Not all games at launch of PS5 will be using Oodle Texture as it's a very new technology, but we expect it to be in the majority of PS5 games in the future.”
@BAMozzy ignore whether you believe it’s possible.
What I am relating to you is the official information provided by Sony. Nothing more, nothing less.
Maximum is 22GB/s typical is 8-9GB/s.
Time will either prove you right or wrong, but don’t try to condescend and act like you can tell the capabilities better than the system engineer that designed it. Ok? Because that’s just arrogant and beyond ridiculous even for an internet message board ffs 🤡
@710King so now you know more about the capabilities than the system architect that built it?
They say the upper limit is 22GB/s and that the typical speed 8.0-9.0GB/S and I’m confident it is exactly that.
The article you linked clearly stated they’ve already achieved 17.38GB/s (which I’d already known about) and your position is you don’t think they’ll be able to hit the upper limit of 22GB/S when they’ve already reached 17.38? GTFOH 😂😂
They get better at using the tools and they get refined during the generation where that upper limit will be reached.
What do you think makes you more qualified to say what the upper limit is and whether it’s possible than Mark Cerny? What are your qualifications?
I said the speeds could hit up to 22GB/S but the typical speed is 9.0GB/S.
In what way exactly is this wrong?
You’re fighting something that you’ve already agreed - more or less: “ This is correct. You won't see games compressing data higher than 8GB/s-9GB/s for 3-5 years and it will be largely decided on how the developer does things.“- that I’m right about.
You just don’t stop arguing once you’ve started, no matter the mental gymnastics required to pretend like you’re right.
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Re: DIRT 5 PS5 Gameplay Video Details Next-Gen Enhancements
@dr_lovejoy You’re just not going to accept it then are you? 😂😂
I’m not wasting my time with someone who’s not willing to accept what’s right in front of their face.
A good explanation is here as well: https://www.rode.com/blog/all/what-is-ambisonics
“ Ambisonics is a full-sphere surround sound format or a means of representing the sound field at a point or in space. Unlike conventional stereo and surround sound formats (which are based on the principle of panning audio signals to specific speakers), ambisonics captures the full directivity information for every soundwave that hits the microphone. Crucially, this also includes height information, as well as the full 360° around the microphone.”
Edit: now, that you’ve read that try and fathom what that means when coupled with the tempest 3D audio engine.
I hope you come to the conclusion that it’s far better than “7.1” as it very clearly is.
Re: DIRT 5 PS5 Gameplay Video Details Next-Gen Enhancements
@dr_lovejoy not even close.
It’s full sphere surround. In other words above, below, everywhere.
https://www.waves.com/ambisonics-explained-guide-for-sound-engineers
I’m not sure how you think I’m being sensitive by trying to show you that the information to alleviate your fears was actually included the whole time for those with the appropriate technical knowledge to understand what was said 😏😉
Re: DIRT 5 PS5 Gameplay Video Details Next-Gen Enhancements
@dr_lovejoy I’ll give you an example of why one shouldn’t jump to conclusions based on him saying 7.1.
Before he mentions that he says you get “Ambisonic” sound.
Do you know what that means?
Re: DIRT 5 PS5 Gameplay Video Details Next-Gen Enhancements
@ORO_ERICIUS that’s a good point that I forget about a lot since where I live the threat is minimal as there is no community spread of the virus at all currently here.
Re: DIRT 5 PS5 Gameplay Video Details Next-Gen Enhancements
@ORO_ERICIUS exactly
Re: DIRT 5 PS5 Gameplay Video Details Next-Gen Enhancements
@dr_lovejoy is it just me or are people super sensitive on the internet now...
I never said you said it was a technical demo, I was saying it’s not like he was giving one. There’s a big difference there.
You know it could be 7.1.4 (likely even far better) and he just said 7.1. The truth is it’s probably neither. 3D audio cannot be quantified like that really if there’s thousands of possible directions the sound could be coming from.
In any event, I happen to agree that more information would be good. This is likely one of those things they’re not talking about too much though because it has to be experienced to truly “get it”.
I meant no offence to you or your original comment, simply that people shouldn’t jump to conclusions or assume anything.
Re: DIRT 5 PS5 Gameplay Video Details Next-Gen Enhancements
@thefourfoldroot my thoughts exactly. He isn’t giving a technical presentation or anything on the sound so people shouldn’t read too much into it.
Re: Demon's Souls Latest Trailer Shows Off Nearly Six Minutes of PS5 Gameplay
@NEStalgia the disrespect... this is no mere “port”.
It’s a remake.
Re: Will PS5 Support 1440p Screens? Fans Are Eager for Answers
@Artois couldn’t agree more.
I’m sure if we had access to the stats you’d see more than 75% on a TV rather than a monitor (I’m being very generous in my estimation for how many would possibly use a monitor I think).
Re: Thanks to PS5, Godfall Has Near Instant Restarts if You Die
My game share buddy preordered this. Now I preorder Demon’s souls and it’s a solid win/win!
Re: PS5's Destruction AllStars Free with PS Plus, Delayed to February 2021
Not going to lie, definitely wasn’t going to get this at launch. I’ll definitely play it as a ps+ game though!
Re: PS5, PS4 Architect Mark Cerny Is a Better Gamer Than You
@TheArt he’s only got 1223 trophies with that many platinums. I’ve only got 6 platinums but I’m 296 because I have a crap load of other trophies (2854 total). Platinums are worth more than others.
Re: PS5, PS4 Architect Mark Cerny Is a Better Gamer Than You
@get2sammyb no souls games... he’s got to “git gud” 😂
I had to.
Re: The Last of Us Remastered PS4 Loading Time Improvements Are Extraordinary
@TheArt on further investigating into it I found the size of the patch was only 500mb and downloading recompressed assets would no doubt be much higher than that I imagine so it seems I was likely too quick to attribute it to kraken+oodle textures. It will be making for some crazy fast load and streaming though.
My bad. This is some impressive stuff whatever the method.
Re: PS5 Controllers, 3D Headphones, HD Cameras, and DualSense Charging Stations Reach Retailers
@710King yes they will; they said the launch stock availability was better than the PS4’s and the PS4 had retail units available for launch.
Re: Have a Gander at the New PS Store for Web Browsers
@Eadgar you just buy it off the store on the ps3.
It’s time for the support to end on other devices/storefronts for the older outdated systems.
Re: PS5 Is Now Officially Just One Month Away
@artemisthemp 3 USB 3.0 type A and one type C all 10Gbps pretty sure
Re: PS5 Is Now Officially Just One Month Away
@artemisthemp not if you’re in an area releasing on the 12th. Like me 😁
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@SilkySmile89 very nice bud. Need I remind you that I’ve provided absolute proof of what I say. I’m not arguing about whether his claims are attainable or when they’ll be attained, but that is what he said. Literally.
I’m sorry I can get a little frustrated from time to time, but I don’t know how much clearer I can be.
My very first reply:
“ Ok let’s clear up a few things as I seem to always have to do on these ps5 ssd stories.
First: you do not need a 7.0 GB/S drive they merely said it needed to be slightly faster than their 5.5GB/S drive to be compatible possibly 6.0GB/s even. They did not specify minimum merely “slightly faster”
Second: 9.0GB/S is the typical compressed speed - it can go up to 22GB/s with especially well compressed data
I care not if you agree these are the things that were said.
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg
I’m not sure why I bother to keep correcting this time and time again, probably because I despise misinformation.
Edit 2: proof of top speed if you don’t want to go through the video: “ The I/O unit itself, however, is capable of outputting as much as 22GB/s if the data compressed well.”
Source: https://developer-tech.com/news/2020/mar/18/sony-mark-cerny-deep-dive-ps5-developers/”
I prove what I say in here with not one (direct video evidence with time stamps), but 2 sources.
I’m not saying they will be getting 22GB/S right away or at all, merely that’s what he’s saying the ceiling is.
I also tell you where to find the information on the speed of the drive required.
End of the day I don’t care if you don’t believe what they say as I’m not defending them, merely relaying what they’re saying.
For this @BAMOZZY goes on explanations as to why this isn’t right and blah blah blah calling me an idiot for not understanding all the while ignoring that I’m not the one making the claims, I’m merely saying that’s what he said - AND IT IS.
If you have a problem with what he said and you don’t agree I’m not the one you should be talking to, as I literally have no reason to believe you over him. Period.
Is that freaking simple enough??
Edited: as it wasn’t you but bamozzy that was going on and on, and in my reply I didn’t make that clear
Re: PS5's Game Boost Feature Will Improve Select PS4 Titles
@thefourfoldroot yeah I agree with everything you’ve said here. 👍
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@BAMozzy “ so now you presume to say what he meant to say rather than what he did say. My god man your arrogance knows no bounds.
I repeat:
“ @BAMozzy just stop. I’ve provided proof of everything I say while the only thing you do is try to explain why it can’t when they’ve already had real world results proving it can.
My god man. Just stop.
I’ll take mark Cerny’s word for it over Arrogant BAMOzzy’s any day of the week:
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg 17:30-18:00 minutes.
You’re saying mark Cerny who is a reliable source and quite brilliant system engineer is lying then. Whatever you say arrogant pr*ck 🤡🤣🤣”
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“*
“up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“*
You don’t even understand something when it’s right in front of your damn face. 🤡🤦♂️🤦♂️
Edit: I’m repeating this from now on as there’s nothing further to say. I said what mark Cerny said, no further discussion is required.
You don’t have to believe him but don’t say what he meant to say, and don’t say I’m wrong. I have proof, meanwhile you have your assumptions.”
None of what you say they meant is what MARK CERNY ACTUALLY SAID. Ignore oodle texture. Take what MARK CERNY SAID AS LITERAL.
My god man. The mental gymnastics you’ll go through to try to prove yourself right is astounding.
Re: PS5 Teardown Video Proves Immensely Popular with Huge View Count
@Thesnipergecko pretty sure repeat views are only counted as one unless it’s from a different IP address.
I’m not positive about this though.
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@BAMozzy so now you presume to say what he meant to say rather than what he did say. My god man your arrogance knows no bounds.
I repeat:
“ @BAMozzy just stop. I’ve provided proof of everything I say while the only thing you do is try to explain why it can’t when they’ve already had real world results proving it can.
My god man. Just stop.
I’ll take mark Cerny’s word for it over Arrogant BAMOzzy’s any day of the week:
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg 17:30-18:00 minutes.
You’re saying mark Cerny who is a reliable source and quite brilliant system engineer is lying then. Whatever you say arrogant pr*ck 🤡🤣🤣”
You don’t even understand something when it’s right in front of your damn face. 🤡🤦♂️🤦♂️
Edit: I’m repeating this from now on as there’s nothing further to say. I said what mark Cerny said, no further discussion is required.
You don’t have to believe him but don’t say what he meant to say, and don’t say I’m wrong. I have proof, meanwhile you have your assumptions.
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@MattSilverado you do you, if you want it get it. Just saying.
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@BAMozzy I’ll just post this again because you completely and utterly ignore that MARK CERNY confirms beyond any reasonable doubt exactly what I said to be true.
“ @BAMozzy just stop. I’ve provided proof of everything I say while the only thing you do is try to explain why it can’t when they’ve already had real world results proving it can.
My god man. Just stop.
I’ll take mark Cerny’s word for it over Arrogant BAMOzzy’s any day of the week:
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg 17:30-18:00 minutes.
You’re saying mark Cerny who is a reliable source and quite brilliant system engineer is lying then. Whatever you say arrogant pr*ck 🤡🤣🤣”
P.S. he also clearly states that the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S there is no doubt as to what he meant unless you’re trying to save face and do mental gymnastics to prove yourself right. Some people are just plain clueless.
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@MattSilverado it’s not going to be a 1440p machine though. People expecting it to be will be very disappointed.
For honor is 1080p on it with the next gen update.
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@BAMozzy just stop. I’ve provided proof of everything I say while the only thing you do is try to explain why it can’t when they’ve already had real world results proving it can.
My god man. Just stop.
I’ll take mark Cerny’s word for it over Arrogant BAMOzzy’s any day of the week:
“But the unit itself is capable of outputting up to 22GB/S if the data happened to compress particularly well.“
Source: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg 17:30-18:00 minutes.
You’re saying mark Cerny who is a reliable source and quite brilliant system engineer is lying then. Whatever you say arrogant pr*ck 🤡🤣🤣
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@SilkySmile89 there is NO BOTTLENECK after the data is decompressed (or before even) is the point bud. The decompression is done in the main chip where it’s fed right to the GPU. Watch the road to PS5. Its literally all explained on there budz hell I could give you the pictures of it if there was an easy way to post them here.
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@JJ2 I’ve not got any pics of it sorry
Edit: I just rewatched the tear down of the series x and they never actually show where the internal ssd is located. They mention that the south board handles the I/O in the split board setup but never go into further detail.
Re: Western Digital Reveals First PS5 Compatible SSD
@BAMozzy you don’t freaking learn anything. Ever. They are saying they’ve had these results. They’ve already freaking done it.
You’re impossible to talk to with your condescension and thinking you know it all. I’ve freaking linked you to where they have said they’ve hit compression ratio of 3.16 (and unless you’re a complete moron you know this with a ratio of 3.16 assuming full 5.5GB/S you’re hitting 17.38GB/S) directly from the makers of the tech and you refuse to accept it so at this point I’m just going to tell you to gf yourself. I can’t be any clearer.
Saying I clearly don’t know what I’m talking about when we’re talking about emerging tech. You’re a really arrogant pr*ck and you should be told that more judging from the way you talk to people.
Keep sticking your head in the sand if you wish but I’ve provided you with proof of what I say to be true. If you refuse to believe it that’s on you.
Imagine if people always simply said it can’t be done and stuck their heads in the sand as you do, after someone tells them they’ve had these real world results. Ignorance at its finest with you. slow clap... bravo
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@BAMozzy “ Oodle Texture is used in conjunction with a generic lossless compressor. It works great with Oodle Data Compression but can also be used with compressors that may be built into your platform.” SUCH AS OODLE KRAKEN
http://www.radgametools.com/oodlewhatsnew.htm
In oodle new features, oodle textures.
I rest my case you fool. You shouldn’t be so quick to assume you’re right all the time; it limits your opportunities to grow.
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@SilkySmile89 he specifically says they have addressed all the bottlenecks. Have you watched the entire video. It’s too much to go into but it’s all explained.
Edit:
Isn’t pcie 4.0 bandwidth in the realm of 68GB/s? (I realize now that’s for x16)
Edit: so I’ve reviewed the slides and I think where you’re getting messed up is the data that’s going through the 4 lanes of Pcie 4.0 which is 8.0GB/S capable would be the raw 5.5 GB/s data which then gets decompressed after and becomes possibly up to 22GB/s.
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@SilkySmile89 actually mark Cerny said the upper I/O limit is 22GB/S. holy hell, why in the hell do I have to repeat the same information time after time?
Start it at about 17:30 (by18:00 I’m confirmed 100%right) for quick confirmation of what I say to be true: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg
Edit for confirmation of speed of drive start at 22:00 and by 23:00 I’m confirmed right on required speeds as well
Edit for drive speed you should actually start it a minute earlier. So 21:00 to 23:00. And listen to what he says carefully.
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@Oscarjpc a 5GB? Surely you mean 5TB, or 500GB...
If so 5TB - your first born child should just about cover it lol (none that size so who knows honestly) 500GB roughly 150 USD
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I’ve been actually wondering if maybe this is how Ghost of Tsushima loads as fast as it does. They might have been the first users of the tech “ Since then, Sony has licensed our new technology Oodle Texture for all games on the PS4 and PS5.”. Probably not but they did magic with that game’s loading.
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@BAMozzy the blog is from the makers of the technology you fool 🤦♂️🤦♂️
“ Since then, Sony has licensed our new technology Oodle Texture for all games on the PS4 and PS5.”
“ The combination of Oodle Texture and Kraken can give very large gains in compression ratio. For example on a texture set from a recent game :
Zip 1.64 to 1
Kraken 1.82 to 1
Zip + Oodle Texture 2.69 to 1
Kraken + Oodle Texture 3.16 to 1
Kraken plus Oodle Texture gets nearly double the compression of Zip alone on this texture set.”
You think 17.38GB/S is a made up figure?? Kraken+Oodle texture 3.16 to 1 = 17.38GB/S
It’s like talking to a wall with some people🤦♂️🤣. Like come on people 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Edit: do you always think you know more than the inventors of their own tech?? The arrogance of you 🤣🤣
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@710King “ Not all games at launch of PS5 will be using Oodle Texture as it's a very new technology, but we expect it to be in the majority of PS5 games in the future“
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@Paranoimia 🤦♂️🤦♂️
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@710King wrong bud;
“ Sony has previously published that the SSD is capable of 5.5 GB/s and expected decompressed bandwidth around 8-9 GB/s, based on measurements of average compression ratios of games around 1.5 to 1“
“Since then, Sony has licensed our new technology Oodle Texture for all games on the PS4 and PS5. Oodle Texture lets games encode their textures so that they are drastically more compressible by Kraken, but with high visual quality . Textures often make up the majority of content of large games and prior to Oodle Texture were difficult to compress for general purpose compressors like Kraken.
The combination of Oodle Texture and Kraken can give very large gains in compression ratio. For example on a texture set from a recent game :
Zip 1.64 to 1
Kraken 1.82 to 1
Zip + Oodle Texture 2.69 to 1
Kraken + Oodle Texture 3.16 to 1
Kraken plus Oodle Texture gets nearly double the compression of Zip alone on this texture set.”
“ Not all games at launch of PS5 will be using Oodle Texture as it's a very new technology, but we expect it to be in the majority of PS5 games in the future.”
Directly from the horses mouth so to speak: https://cbloomrants.blogspot.com/2020/09/how-oodle-kraken-and-oodle-texture.html?m=1
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@BAMozzy you may want to read this before you say what is and isn’t possible as well 🤡
https://cbloomrants.blogspot.com/2020/09/how-oodle-kraken-and-oodle-texture.html?m=1
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@BAMozzy ignore whether you believe it’s possible.
What I am relating to you is the official information provided by Sony. Nothing more, nothing less.
Maximum is 22GB/s typical is 8-9GB/s.
Time will either prove you right or wrong, but don’t try to condescend and act like you can tell the capabilities better than the system engineer that designed it. Ok? Because that’s just arrogant and beyond ridiculous even for an internet message board ffs 🤡
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@710King fine let’s put it this way:
I’m telling you that this is what they’re saying the maximum is.
Let’s ignore whether you think that’s possible or not; only time will prove you right or wrong on that one.
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@710King and yet, I’ve proven with links everything I’ve said, what have you proven exactly?? 🤡
That you can’t accept what I’ve proven to you. twice. Really impressive 🤣🤣
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@710King so now you know more about the capabilities than the system architect that built it?
They say the upper limit is 22GB/s and that the typical speed 8.0-9.0GB/S and I’m confident it is exactly that.
The article you linked clearly stated they’ve already achieved 17.38GB/s (which I’d already known about) and your position is you don’t think they’ll be able to hit the upper limit of 22GB/S when they’ve already reached 17.38? GTFOH 😂😂
They get better at using the tools and they get refined during the generation where that upper limit will be reached.
What do you think makes you more qualified to say what the upper limit is and whether it’s possible than Mark Cerny? What are your qualifications?
This is getting funny honestly.
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@BAMozzy I know the speed doesn’t change, I simply didn’t word it well. It’s the compression that changes.
Edit: also they’ve already gotten about 17.43 GB/S (from memory could be different but close I think) I was simply giving the top end as they have.
Did you read the final line? “ Which it is, before it’s decompressed for use.”
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@Paranoimia actually they are. Spider-Man with all dlc on PS4 is 75GB Spider-Man remastered with higher quality assets is 55GB on PS5.
The key to remember is they are smaller THAN THEY WOULD BE
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@whizzkidd ironic isn’t it lol
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@710King what reality am I ignoring.
I said the speeds could hit up to 22GB/S but the typical speed is 9.0GB/S.
In what way exactly is this wrong?
You’re fighting something that you’ve already agreed - more or less: “ This is correct. You won't see games compressing data higher than 8GB/s-9GB/s for 3-5 years and it will be largely decided on how the developer does things.“- that I’m right about.
You just don’t stop arguing once you’ve started, no matter the mental gymnastics required to pretend like you’re right.
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@710King I see now you accept that it will be higher than 9.0GB/s so that’s something I guess.
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@710King I’ve literally shown you multiple sources that say exactly what I’ve said.
You’re the one in denial bud. 🤡🤡
Then you link an article that literally shows it can be higher than the 9.0Gb/s you were saying is the max.