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@EfYI Worth noting. That in the US Microsoft had 4 games in the top 10 best sellers.

They may have killed off any growth in their hardware sales, though frankly that was inevitable after the Xbox One disaster gutted their market share at the worst moment, but as a multiplatform Publisher they're having their cake and eating it too in terms of Gamepass and good sales.

In other news, water is wet?

In a tale as old as time, game developer finishes development for their last game after a while so they can focus on next games. Shocking.

Seriously though, this is fine. Infinite was great, but it was time to move on. Best to make sure the next one has as much attention as possible

Ninja Gaiden 4 being seriously slept on here. Best action 3rd person combat in forever! Outer Worlds 2 has been great so far though I'm not far enough in to truely judge it.

@Rich33 I think it's more a sign that their teams aren't all super technically focused.

Credit where it's due, many of their other ports HAVE performed very well on PS5, and they've adopted PS5 specific features like Dualsense controls in many cases. And the upcoming Flight Sim is adding PSVR2 support which is pretty cool.

Obsidian have just never been the most technical studio and this shows. I'd be more inclined to call this an honest screw up developing with a new tech for a new platform they're unfamilar with, rather than a deliberate effort to handicap the PS5 version.

@get2sammyb Which is a shame, because despite its campaign ending at what was clearly supposed to be the half way point of their obviously more ambitious first plans for the game, the actual gameplay of Infinite is genuinely brilliant.

If the plan IS for all future Halo mainline titles to come to PlayStation as well, then unless they're a hard reboot PS players will be missing out on important (if flawed) campaigns like Halo 5 or Infinite (assuming The MCC does get ported and brings the test)

@Foxhound Eh, we need to see how long it sits at the top of the charts first. SP games often do this briefly, then quickly tail off, while MP games just sell, and sell, and sell.

Don't get me wrong, I love SP, but I can see why the market has shifted from a logical standpoint.

@AdamNovice I mean, money hitting games for exclusives was pretty standard practice for all the platforms back then. Still is for Sony and Nintendo. It just explains why they specifically chose Rise of The Tomb Raider I suppose

@get2sammyb Fair enough 🤣 Hard to tell how big it'll be yet, small in length doesn't mean it cant be a hit, look at PT, but you did specify PlayStation that's true.

Though, let's face it give Xbox's recent track record I'd be very surprised if this doesn't come to PS either at launch or close to it! If that wasn't an almost surety at this point Pushsquare wouldn't be writing articles

I mean. His next big thing is OD. This is his second next big thing 😅

I'm almost certain this will happen. The question is, what's in the SoP? Do we get, a) just another look at Ghost of Yotei, the equivalent of having a show without really having a show given that's almost out, or b) genuine reveals like Wolverine?

@lindos I think they're also worried that FM had more direct competition on PS already from GT. As opposed to the FH series which Sony don't compete with personally.

It would be interesting to see if now that they've brought the series to PlayStation with FH5 to great success, they go back and also port over Motorsport now it has more brand recognition on the platform?

@Jackthelad93 The good thing about the Forza Horizon games, since 2 at least, is at any point you can pretty much always choose the sort of racing you want to do. If you don't like Drifting, you don't hlreally have to do those races.

It has sort of somewhat homogenised the games, as I kind of miss that FH1 sort of had a more linear sense of progression, with "boss races" and a final championship, but the later ones really allow you to avoid the bits you don't like

@Balaam_ You really won't play a game just because you can't get a platinum trophy for it? Despite the fact you'd genuinely want to play it?

Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of gaming being for fun?

@Questionable_Duck Ah fair enough, thought that could be the case but wasn't sure. I forget the 360 did have a surprising number of high profile Japanese exclusives all things considered.

@Jill_Sandwich Yeah, and I'm fairly sure there have been one or two others like it. There was a Spartan in a DoA game at one point, was that on PS?

This would be the first specifical Halo collaboration with a specifically PlayStation published game however. All previous examples were wither homage (see the Destiny X Halo content, which was never official) and/or on Platform "Live Service" games like Fortnite or Minecraft that are ubiquitous everywhere, as even Kratos is technically on Xbox via Fortnite.

Essentially, this is a ge urine statement of intent beyond collabing with a neutral game. Exactly what it means is unsure, but I'd confidently say we at LEAST see the upcoming Halo CE remake on PS5, possibly even at launch, and the MCC eventually.

@homelesscretin I wouldn't say the second one isn't near the firsts level of quality. In every technical sense it's a huge step up.

The gameplay are the writing though are more divisive. If you buy into what they're doing with the game you'll have a good time, up their with the first.

It's just kind of more niche, so plenty of people don't.

Played this at launch and really enjoyed it. It's certainly not for everyone, but it's more of a game than many of these comments would have you believe. Just a very linear one, other than the hidden collectibles.

I'd recommend it, but probably not at the $50 dollar asking point for most people. Maybe wait for 25/30, at which point I think it's more in line with most people's cost/benefit expectations.

@RBMango Okay, but was ever a single one of those games made any better by the fact that some other people couldn't play it? I get what you mean, but personally I'm all for a future where consoles compete as consoles, and games compete either other games.

@cainhurst94 The recent round of MS layoffs was pretty much purely to fuel MS's AI spending spree, and has almost nothing to do with the performance of their various divisions like Xbox. Regardless of whether services like GP were making money, the company was just looking to free up cash. It's honestly even more ***** that way, at least if things are losing money it is somewhat reasonable to let people go

@AdamNovice At very least too much to be allowed to be a closed ecosystemsystem platform holder.

@AdamNovice Sunset Overdrive was brilliant, but I think stuck in weird legal limbo. TECHNICALLY, Xbox still have right of first refusal to publish any sequel in the IP, so it's not one that Sony have any interest in pursuing. Plus, there's alot more money for them with insomniac working on Spiderman

@Dan12836666 well gamepass, but more importantly because there are twice as many PS5s out there as Xbox's 😅

@Fiendish-Beaver All of that, and speaking as a pretty pissed off fan right now, I don't think the head honchos at MS (I'm talking above Phils head) had any idea just how big a ***** storm/back lash they'd receive after those layoffs. People largely forgave them pretty quick after last year, once is maybe understandable (Especially after Redfall), but oh boy are we not going to now it's seemingly a yearly pattern and they're cancelling their most interesting projects left right and centre.

Probably giving up Gamepass once I finish off Clair Obscur, and I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of other people have too.

If I was Xbox leadership I'd just quit at this point, given no matter what they do, the company is going to force them to undermine all the goodwill they've ever gained from the fans on a seemingly yearly basis.

@LogicStrikesAgain I mean. I don't think anyone is ignoring all the live service stuff that's already going on 😅 That's why they're so annoyed that they see Sony going in the same direction.

It's less about villanising companies that do MTX, and more about Sony having built their brand off of single player games, now seemingly all but abandoning them for live service games.

Their fanbase is alot more vocal about their distaste for live service because Sony pretty much trained them to hate it. Or those who were predisposed to hate live service self selected as Sony fans because it wasn't their direction.

Now, it's not actually true that Sony are abandoning SP, but they have wasted years of dev time for multiple major SP teams in their mishandling of the whole LS push, and it really hasn't done much good for their image.

Tl;DR, Sony don't really deserve any more hate for MTXs than anyone else, but I don't think they realised just how much they built their audience up to hate the idea of them

@themightyant Well I wasn't really counting destiny because that was MTX riddled long before Sony, but I did forget the other two that's true! Just backs up my point though I suppose. Never played MLB, are there really that many in it?

@LogicStrikesAgain To be fair, the only real reason that Sony HAVEN'T fleeced people with Micro Transactions like everyone else is because all their live service attempts keep flopping, other than Helldivers which is 2nd party anyway 😅

If Concord had succeeded you best believe they'd be trying to take in those MTX benjamins

@SeaDaVie The title here is also misleading. CD in the actual quote say they're focusing on Console, not PS5 specifically

@Oram77 I think they were all developed by Team Ninja and published by Koei Tecmo? I think Sony publisher either the first one or first two in certain regions 🤔

Can't remember if the first two were, but 3 is multiplat.

@Oram77 Nioh 3 isn't 1st party?

@UltimateOtaku91 It's not even just about numbers, it's about the specialities of those staff. Chances are that most of those 30 staff were Multiplayer related, such as Netcode engineers, MP designers etc...

It's part of the reason these Live Service endeavours from SP studios, like Bend, ND or say Arkane Austin before it's closure to give an Xbox example struggle. They staff up quickly to cover for capabilities they've never had before and that their pipeline isn't designed for. They then have a few years of development hell struggling to make a game while also learn how to account for MP, make a lesser game for it (Redfall for example. Having played it, it might have been a good game if it was SP from the start and Arkane had been able to do what they do best). Then, when it inevitably underwhelms/gets cancelled, and theyre finally turned back to SP games these studios are left with a bunch of staff they no longer have any need for and so of course they lay them off. It totally sucks, but the pattern makes absolute sense when you look at it

@thefourfoldroot1 I think that's well put. It's not that MP is low IQ, arguably it's higher IQ given players are (mostly) smarter than in game AI, and at very least the difficulty is tuned higher. "Low IQ" thus sounds quite dismissive and was maybe poor wording, but really refers to any achievement that requires THAT volume of anything. "Kill 50k grubs" in the campaign would be just as bad.

@Godot25 The ESO,SoT,FO76 segments are only disappointing when it feels like a few of those games like Everwild and Fable that I reaaaallly wanted to see more of just didn't show up. Otherwise they're fine even if I know I won't play them, but I suppose they make sense to have here. It only hurts when other things didnt show up 🥲

@AdamNovice Xbox do think about licensed songs, and pay to have the licenses for those songs and Co streamers in their presentations. The problem is that these sites tend to strike first and ask questions later

@UltimateOtaku91 Pretty much. It made sense then, when Xbox was finally managing to do a good job of enticing Japanese developers who'd never brought their games to Xbox before to actually do so. It was a genuine win for them (not at anyone else's expense, just some positive news). Whereas now it's expected. No one is really doing Xbox Exclusives anymore other than Xbox, who are getting out of doing them themselves, but at the same time fare fewer games are skipping the platform, at least not permanently.

They're no longer fighting the "no games" narrative, or the expectations that 3rd parties won't support them, and their own support for other platforms has been established firmly.

@UltimateOtaku91 I don't think they every thought they wanted to fool people. Same way Sony never thought they were fooling anyone when they showed off let's say CoD: Cold War at the PS5 launch and didn't put an Xbox logo on the trailer. We all know it's multiplatform, but it's about emphasising it's on your platform.

In the case of the Atlus games, they'd never been on Xbox before, so emphasising they now were was actually quite useful for them.

With that said, after the last few reveals I'd say the point has been made an underlined, so this time it would be a bit annoying if they had the same embargo again.

@Perturbator There is 0 percent chance the MindsEye isn't just a couple of trailers/cinematics on each others shoulders in a trench coat just pretending to be a game. At best the gameplay will be a decent tech demo. At worst, it'll be a The Day Before situation.

@EfYI Calling out CoD for doing the same old thing... but then revealing that Splitgate 2 has yet another Battle Royale somewhat undercut that message 😅

@PsBoxSwitchOwner I think that might be a given most years from here on out. For Keighley, the show is for profit which means ramming it full of ads and paid trailers. Which means for every dcenet reveal it's got to pay the bills with Gacha trailer money etc....

Whereas Sony just don't have the volume to do the big showcases they used to, at least not every year.

Leaving Xbox with the winning combination of a large volume of 1st party reveals, that also don't need to worry about filler, and paid ads, as they're funding the show themselves. Further compounded by Sony not doing their own full showcases making it easier for them to get 3rd party marketing rights, like for the Persona Remakes and Methaphor.

The next time we see a truely competing showcase could be the inevitable end of PS5/PS6 launch line-up showcases. As the end of one gen and the start of the next had always been when Sony clusters their releases the most.

@UltimateOtaku91 Blame Sony for shafting you, not Atlus. They could pay to put the games on PS Plus like Xbox do for Gamepass. But they don't, because they know they can milk you.

Buy the game or don't, but denying yourself a game because it's on a service you had no interest in anyway and are unaffected by is childish and just shooting yourself in the foot.

@Titntin Trying to pretend the current success of the PS5 and Sony is still the same as it was for the PS1 launch is just silly. The brand undoubtedly started on the back of 3rd party, but they didn't keep that position and curb stomp Xbox out of the hardware market off just 3rd party content. No, they did it last gen off 1st party, while their strong 3rd party support drove the point home.

There's big fan bases for both Sony's 1st party content and their 3rd party curating, and altrying to play down one in favour of the other is just dumb. Both were and are critical to many fans of the brand, and those who are hungry for more first party Sony content are well within their rights to feel frustrated at this point, just as many Xbox fans were frustrated during the Xbox One generation/Early Xbox Series Gen at how few 1st party games they were putting out.

Tl;Dr, Sony have built their house on two pillars, 1st party and 3rd party and they're only consistently delivering on one of those right now

@Lowdefal It's less baffling when you take it in the context thtlat Sony have only held 2 actual summer showcases (or showcases at all for that matter, not SoPs) since the PS5 reveal. Basically 5 years now, and one of those was mostly dedicated to Fairgames, Concord and Marathon, the core of Sony's failed live service initiative (and SM2, but that was already announced).

For any individual SoP, yesterday's show was great, but people are rightfully pretty impatient for Sony to finally out out a one of their blockbuster, 1st party focused summer showcases of old. I bet we'll see something big from them at the SGF show, but compared to how first party focused the Xbox showcase will inevitably be for the 4th year in a row now, it not a great look.

But yes, once fans take a deep breath, and look at things reasonably they should see that was a really solid show.

@nessisonett It's a licensing thing. The licenses have expired now, you can't even buy it on Xbox any more (but you can download and play it if you already own it)

@Titntin Ever since Forza Horizon one, the writing for the 'story' in those games has always felt deliberately silly and corny. The problem is, that worked better in FH1 where you had a career mode where you'd go up against specific characters etc... in the story as you progressed. Whereas since 2, where the festival and progression is more free-form without that same "story" to it, the silliness doesn't work quite as well. Hardly a deal breaker, but it would be fun if they moved back towards FH1 style a bit more again.

@themightyant More than that, at the end of the day it will have been Microsoft that made this trailer. If they're going to be a publisher, I think they know it's better to do it properly than sort of half ass it. And then as you said, Sony are all to happy to oblige for obvious reasons.

@clivegsd You're very much in the minority of thinking the Fallout show was awful.....

@CutchuSlow In theory they could have ordered Microsoft to sell/spin off at least some if not all of the ABK divisions they'd aquired. This long after that fact however it can get pretty blurred, and so very very rarely happens

@DennisReynolds Okay, at least name enough for it to be more than PS then? I can't think of many beyond Stalker 2. I'm sure there have been more, but not many major ones.

As for pretending like they aren't, seem to recall Spny pretending they didn't pay for Black Myth Wukong exclusivity? And more importantly a whole load of permanent exclusivity deals, like Forespoken, FF16, Stellar Blade etc...

It's all just silly at this point, timed or otherwise no one should really do it, but timed is the lesser evil when compared to permanent

@DennisReynolds Not officially, but it's a remaster. Ultimately they ARE porting it from somewhere to get it working on PS5 and Series consoles. Now, maybe they're just using the original PC version rather than the 360/ps3 versions for their respective platforms, but either way they haven't entirely built the game from the ground up

Also, in what world have Xbox had more timed exclusive deals this gen than Sony? Frankly the timed part is irrelevant, the deals being short is better than permanent, in which case they've not had anywhere close to as many 3rd party exclusive deals.

Sounds like it might be more of a backwards compatibility issue to me? I've got to guess they turned this around pretty quickly after the success of Space Marine 2, but that porting the PS3 version to the 5 is taking longer than the 360 version to Series consoles.

The PS3s architecture being alot less PC like, which is basically what modern consoles now are.

Worth noting, that many Gamepass players will sti have bought the Deluxe edition upgrades for the early access and DLC, which can significantly boost revenue from that portion of the player base.