Jim Ryan showing some fight instead of following Phil Spencer around like he has for the past few years? About time. As for exclusives, I stand by everything I've ever said, we need them and without them, the industry becomes a live service, skin selling playground beyond what it already has.
Excuse me for being jaded by the game industry, but this is how it starts. Empty statements, output of said single player games slowly goes down. Bottom line: mobile games, ports, live service, etc cost less and if any of those really take off, the first group to get squeezed will be us single player gamers, which is ironic considering those games got Sony to where they are with PlayStation!
Sony's betrayal of the Japanese market is one of the saddest things to come out of the PS4's success. So much short term thinking to try and sustain numbers that were never sustainable in the first place. Couldn't just be happy selling 100+ Million consoles and billions of dollars in exclusive software
Same people in here every time defending Jimmy Boy and arrogant Sony. For the price of PS5 you can get a Switch, with its gigantic library of exclusives that will never appear on another platform & Series S to play 3rd party stuff. The PS5 sales pitch is now simply: exclusives, which they have very few of and continue to thin them out even more. I thought I was a fanboy, but even I can see how bad of a road PlayStation is going down.
Enough is enough. This has been building to this moment with Jim Ryan & Hermen Hulst, mask off, full greed, turn console players into payers. Time to start speaking with the wallet. I'm sure Big Jimmy's PC players will back him like we did during the PS4 era
At this point, I'm convinced this has to be a test from Sony to see how much they can truly get away with while still having the diehards defend them. I hate rooting against an incredible game like this, but you gotta hope this struggles and sends Big Jim & Hermen a message to quit trying to take advantage of us.
The impact of this will be fascinating. 2020 - 2021 will be the peak of "engagement" for live services and a lot of people, who only look at numbers, bought in on some extremely unsustainable numbers.
Wouldn't pay for a skin if you paid me to buy it. I guess my multiplayer peak was just at the right/wrong time for me to embrace this cosmetic crap, we used to unlock all the cosmetic stuff by playing and then buy a pass or map pack for half of that price and get real, meaningful content added to the game!
COD put in some serious work for PS4, that marketing deal heist Layden and crew pulled off was massive, you gotta respect COD's value from a business view.
Sony's failure in this situation was Jim Ryan & Hulst playing into Microsoft's "exclusives are bad" game and now they can turn 30% of the industry exclusive with a snap of a finger while Sony doesn't have their own castle fortified anymore.
Honestly kind of smiled reading this. First, seeing Jim Ryan eat his arrogant words is beautiful, second, this hasn't been a great year for big games so we all played less instead of forcing ourselves to play crap and live service hamster wheel games.
I respect whatever way people want to get games. I'll always be team physical, same goes for movies! Love having a big collection, love the smell of new games and oddly, I love changing discs out!
I hate being a cynic but that tweet reads like "yeah...you got us". Next up is the speeches about "toxic" PlayStation fans to distract from the real issues.
Games as a service destroyed Ubisoft, the creativity, uniqueness, risk taking, everything. Thankfully (pure sarcasm), Sony is going all in on service stuff as well!
I understand the emotional reaction of this article, especially after Push has been towing the line of defending the "remake". Sony built a level of absolute trust during the PS4 and it's just been kind of hard to see it be weaponized against us during the Jim Ryan/Hermen Hulst era
I'm all in on E3's comeback. Whatever salt there was is a thing of the past, especially after Keighley has completely fumbled after being handed the keys to the kingdom. I'm confident Nintendo will return, will be interesting to see if they can bait Sony back
With you. Only Souls games I've ever truly loved and played all the way through is Demon's Souls & Bloodborne. I describe them in a weird way, those two feel more like PlayStation games as opposed to the "torture chamber" games like Dark Souls & Elden Ring.
Well this comment section made me smile. LOVED the RE3 Remake as well, even more than RE2R, already have the plat but will go back for a fun playthrough!
No words for how excited I am, and it's nice to see a PS5 only game again, a good reminder even with this gen transition starting to get incredibly annoying, the true PS5 only games that we were promised are coming.
I'm sorry and I only speak for myself but I didn't buy a brand new $500 console to play the second remake/remaster/rerelease of a PS3 game, AND it's $70. Unless you love live services, this "new" generation is already turning out to be a whiff
I certainly hope they make it back. Nintendo seems to be a lock, they are huge supporters of E3, just gotta get a couple other big dogs back and they'll be good. Sony might have too much arrogance/pride to return, but I know lowering the costs and getting rid of the whole public access debacle would really help. Here's hoping the ESA did some soul searching and gets it right
Still not adding up. You don't toss away all those assets with the Eidos-Crystal Dynamics deal and then immediately bail. I think the people above are right, it feels like they're trying to get to Sony
Dude moaned and groaned until E3 went away, he got the keys to the kingdom and has completely flopped. Nintendo bailed on him, Sony sends some scraps and the rest is just live service updates. Feels like gaming is in a weird place where we can't even get to be hyped for shows anymore.
I got beef with this. Was sold this stupid console because of the "exclusives", not to mention on how they gave these big sales pitches for how the games can "only work" on PS5. Gonna start thinking twice about preordering these big, bad "exclusives"
Absolutely. The very people who run PlayStation went on a multi month tirade about how "generations matter, exclusive this, exclusive that", got us all fired up and buying into the PS5.
I'm simply following their lead, but we're almost two years in now, this is just how it's always worked anyway.
As for games, we were teased with Demon's Souls, Rift Apart & Returnal, but have gone completely backwards now + third party quality control for all these platforms is in an absolute state of terror.
Forbidden West is a perfect example that last gen has peaked, it moved zero needles, just a great PS4 game with fast loading times. Only speak for myself, but I went through the pre launch grind to secure the PS5 and invested in new hardware to go beyond what the PS4 delivered.
I enjoyed it, felt more like a bloated end of gen PS4 game than a next gen "experience" like Rift Apart & Demon's Souls were, but all of these post launch patches prove that they should've launched as a Summer blockbuster and as a bonus would have avoided the Elden Ring fight. I have similar fears for God of War Ragnarok (and any cross gen game at this point) and will probably hold off on pre ordering after stepping up for HFB and feeling slightly burned.
This sucks. At this point I've went from "when are we going full PS5 only" to "I hope they at least keep Insomniac's Spidey & Wolverine PS5 only". Feels like their whole generation plan got wrecked and the people who actually got PS5s are falling on the sword.
July. Sony doesn't touch holiday releases with the exclusives unless it's a console launch and I don't see them kicking off 2023 going all out on a cross-gen game. Seems like they aim for a big exclusive during the Summer now and it's been very successful with TLOUII, Tsushima & Rift Apart
@naruball fair points! I understand the desire for the live service $$$, I'm just saying that I sincerely hope that it never comes at the cost of the incredible single player games that they put out. It's a difficult balance that has already sadly corrupted one of the big three.
They're gonna do whatever they want and the only thing I can do is speak with my wallet, but I'll still say it: don't fix what ain't broke. 20+ years of being a legendary brand off of the backs of incredible single player games. I truly hope they never forget what made them the juggernaut that they are.
Sad. I understand the hate for the ESA but always a little surprised at the cheering for E3's fall. It was a mid-year Christmas for all of us, one week of just all out gaming stuff. I still stand by what I've always said, the PS4 isn't the global juggernaut that it became without the legendary E3 2013 press conference. Haymakers after haymakers and it was only possible because it was all LIVE. I'll miss E3
Pretty much a rebrand of PS Now and sigh of relief. I'd like to keep the party going that we've had raging since the beginning. Just keep the big exclusives coming like we've had since PS1 and they get my continued support.
Feels like the first time I've agreed with Jim Ryan in awhile. The proof of "subscription quality" is directly in front of us on you know where. Keep these massive legendary exclusives coming and I'll keep showing up to support them. Subscriptions are NOT the future of gaming.
Low expectations/interest for Spartacus, I'm guessing The Show 22 will launch with the highest tier and they'll push PS1 - PS3 classics as a heavy sell.
Extremely interested in a state of play the day after and it especially makes sense if they expect the reaction to Spartacus to be weak and need to remind everyone about the big incoming exclusives
Really looking forward to the war of PlayStation gamers who value exclusive, offline, no service or microtransaction games vs Jim Ryan, Hermen Hulst and their "bold" live service vision. All I know is that we went from a pretty good ride on PS4 to what seems to be getting progressively more bumpy on PS5. If the big exclusives like Demon's Souls, Rift Apart, Forbidden West, etc ever stop getting released, I think those two will find out very quickly "brand loyalty" doesn't go very far here. Xbox learned the hard way and no matter what Twitter tells you, they still haven't recovered 10+ years later. Don't fix what ain't broke.
Wait until the reviews to turn them on, let diehards defend because they weren't "so bad" and now they rip the band-aid off and make it egregious. Everything about this has been embarrassing and textbook gaming industry corporate crap. Extremely disappointed in Sony
Concerning amount of comments brushing this off as "nothing". No one is telling you not to play GT7 or anything, and shout out to everyone who plays without touching that crap, but y'all better learn real fast to not give an inch or Big Jim Ryan will be asking us for $5 for a stack of wood in Horizon 3.
Absolutely disgusting that they took the Activision approach and just casually waited to turn them on until launch day.
Not surprised, they should have done nothing and just added some classics to the PS+ offerings. They're never changing the full price big budget AAA system seller single player game strategy until it fails, and it ain't failing anytime soon, this will just get them some bad PR.
Those are the people who think the future is all digital, services & subscriptions (thanks Microsoft). It honestly gives me more satisfaction in supporting the PS5 Special Edition. Who knows when or if it will end, but I'm riding the big banger PlayStation exclusive train all the way and this kind of stuff just amps me up even more
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Re: Rumour: Lower Your Expectations for Tonight's State of Play
Nintendo burying the competition with exclusive megatons before the other shows even start. E3 is truly back!
Re: PS5, PSVR2 to Feature in Sony State of Play Livestream Tomorrow
Direct & State of Play. I guess we get E3 2022 in September this year! Love it!
Re: PlayStation Bites Back At 'Inadequate' Call of Duty Offer from Microsoft
Jim Ryan showing some fight instead of following Phil Spencer around like he has for the past few years? About time.
As for exclusives, I stand by everything I've ever said, we need them and without them, the industry becomes a live service, skin selling playground beyond what it already has.
Re: Sony: Efforts Beyond Console Do Not Diminish Our Passion for Amazing Single Player Games
Excuse me for being jaded by the game industry, but this is how it starts. Empty statements, output of said single player games slowly goes down.
Bottom line: mobile games, ports, live service, etc cost less and if any of those really take off, the first group to get squeezed will be us single player gamers, which is ironic considering those games got Sony to where they are with PlayStation!
Re: Japanese Gamers Aren't Impressed with PS5's Price Hike
Sony's betrayal of the Japanese market is one of the saddest things to come out of the PS4's success. So much short term thinking to try and sustain numbers that were never sustainable in the first place. Couldn't just be happy selling 100+ Million consoles and billions of dollars in exclusive software
Re: Reaction: PS5 Price Hike a Sobering Sign of the Times
Same people in here every time defending Jimmy Boy and arrogant Sony. For the price of PS5 you can get a Switch, with its gigantic library of exclusives that will never appear on another platform & Series S to play 3rd party stuff. The PS5 sales pitch is now simply: exclusives, which they have very few of and continue to thin them out even more.
I thought I was a fanboy, but even I can see how bad of a road PlayStation is going down.
Re: PS5 Price Increase Confirmed for UK, Europe, Japan, Canada, and More
Enough is enough. This has been building to this moment with Jim Ryan & Hermen Hulst, mask off, full greed, turn console players into payers. Time to start speaking with the wallet. I'm sure Big Jimmy's PC players will back him like we did during the PS4 era
Re: Modern Warfare 2 Campaign Playable One Week Early with Digital PS5, PS4 Pre-Order
They went from phasing campaign out to using it as an incentive to preorder (and go digital). Gaming!
Re: We're Sure Fans Will Be Rational Over This The Last of Us PS5 Clip
At this point, I'm convinced this has to be a test from Sony to see how much they can truly get away with while still having the diehards defend them.
I hate rooting against an incredible game like this, but you gotta hope this struggles and sends Big Jim & Hermen a message to quit trying to take advantage of us.
Re: Sony's Not the Only One Struggling to Hold PS5, PS4 Players' Attention
The impact of this will be fascinating. 2020 - 2021 will be the peak of "engagement" for live services and a lot of people, who only look at numbers, bought in on some extremely unsustainable numbers.
Re: Would You Pay $45 for an Overwatch 2 Character Skin? Blizzard's Curious to Know
Wouldn't pay for a skin if you paid me to buy it. I guess my multiplayer peak was just at the right/wrong time for me to embrace this cosmetic crap, we used to unlock all the cosmetic stuff by playing and then buy a pass or map pack for half of that price and get real, meaningful content added to the game!
Re: Sony Sounds Shook by Xbox's Activision Buyout, Says Call of Duty Has No Rival
COD put in some serious work for PS4, that marketing deal heist Layden and crew pulled off was massive, you gotta respect COD's value from a business view.
Sony's failure in this situation was Jim Ryan & Hulst playing into Microsoft's "exclusives are bad" game and now they can turn 30% of the industry exclusive with a snap of a finger while Sony doesn't have their own castle fortified anymore.
Re: Sony to Take Action as PS5, PS4 Owners Play Less Than Anticipated
Honestly kind of smiled reading this. First, seeing Jim Ryan eat his arrogant words is beautiful, second, this hasn't been a great year for big games so we all played less instead of forcing ourselves to play crap and live service hamster wheel games.
Re: Nearly 80% of All PS5, PS4 Games Are Bought Digitally
I respect whatever way people want to get games. I'll always be team physical, same goes for movies! Love having a big collection, love the smell of new games and oddly, I love changing discs out!
Re: Naughty Dog Employee Implies The Last of Us PS5 Gameplay Is Rebuilt, Says Leaks Are Extremely Hurtful
I hate being a cynic but that tweet reads like "yeah...you got us". Next up is the speeches about "toxic" PlayStation fans to distract from the real issues.
Re: Ubisoft Bins Four Games, Including Free-to-Play Ghost Recon Frontline
Games as a service destroyed Ubisoft, the creativity, uniqueness, risk taking, everything. Thankfully (pure sarcasm), Sony is going all in on service stuff as well!
Re: Reaction: WTF Is Going on with The Last of Us PS5?
I understand the emotional reaction of this article, especially after Push has been towing the line of defending the "remake".
Sony built a level of absolute trust during the PS4 and it's just been kind of hard to see it be weaponized against us during the Jim Ryan/Hermen Hulst era
Re: Ghost of Tsushima Surpasses 9.73 Million Copies Sold on PS5, PS4
Impressive and well deserved! Takes me back to that Summer insanity when TLOUII & GOT released just 1 month from each other. So fun!
Re: E3 2023 Returns with the Promise of Titanic AAA Reveals and Earth-Shaking World Premieres
I'm all in on E3's comeback. Whatever salt there was is a thing of the past, especially after Keighley has completely fumbled after being handed the keys to the kingdom.
I'm confident Nintendo will return, will be interesting to see if they can bait Sony back
Re: Soapbox: I Tried So Hard to Like Elden Ring, But I Just Couldn’t Do It
With you. Only Souls games I've ever truly loved and played all the way through is Demon's Souls & Bloodborne. I describe them in a weird way, those two feel more like PlayStation games as opposed to the "torture chamber" games like Dark Souls & Elden Ring.
Re: Mini Review: Resident Evil 3 (PS5) - Disappointing Remake Looks and Runs Much Better
Well this comment section made me smile. LOVED the RE3 Remake as well, even more than RE2R, already have the plat but will go back for a fun playthrough!
Re: Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Is Remake 2, PS5 Exclusive, Out Winter 2023
No words for how excited I am, and it's nice to see a PS5 only game again, a good reminder even with this gen transition starting to get incredibly annoying, the true PS5 only games that we were promised are coming.
Re: The Last of Us: Part I PS5 Trailer Gives Us Our First Taste of Naughty Dog's Remake
I'm sorry and I only speak for myself but I didn't buy a brand new $500 console to play the second remake/remaster/rerelease of a PS3 game, AND it's $70. Unless you love live services, this "new" generation is already turning out to be a whiff
Re: E3 Will Return in 2023, Says Expo Organiser ESA
I certainly hope they make it back. Nintendo seems to be a lock, they are huge supporters of E3, just gotta get a couple other big dogs back and they'll be good. Sony might have too much arrogance/pride to return, but I know lowering the costs and getting rid of the whole public access debacle would really help. Here's hoping the ESA did some soul searching and gets it right
Re: It Looks Like Square Enix Won't Be Betting the Farm on the Blockchain After All
Still not adding up. You don't toss away all those assets with the Eidos-Crystal Dynamics deal and then immediately bail. I think the people above are right, it feels like they're trying to get to Sony
Re: Geoff Keighley Says to 'Manage Your Expectations' for Summer Game Fest
Dude moaned and groaned until E3 went away, he got the keys to the kingdom and has completely flopped. Nintendo bailed on him, Sony sends some scraps and the rest is just live service updates. Feels like gaming is in a weird place where we can't even get to be hyped for shows anymore.
Re: Soapbox: I Really Miss E3
100% agree with this. I know it's a cliché say but it was the "Christmas for gamers". So glad I got super obsessed with it when I did and got to experience it. G4, Spike TV, etc, it was truly fun, would plan my whole E3 week, watch everyone's conferences, the pre shows, the after shows, what a time! Still hoping they find a way to make a comeback! Respect Keighley, but he has quickly proved that his whole schtick is a symptom of how great E3 was, not the cause. We NEED E3!
Re: Rumour: PS5 Exclusive Returnal Likely Heading to PC Soon
I got beef with this. Was sold this stupid console because of the "exclusives", not to mention on how they gave these big sales pitches for how the games can "only work" on PS5. Gonna start thinking twice about preordering these big, bad "exclusives"
Re: Sony Reveals Vision for the Metaverse
Me: wonder what's the next round of exclusives after cross gen Ragnarok
Sony: can we interest you in metaverse
Re: Video: Is It Time to Leave Last-Gen Behind?
Absolutely. The very people who run PlayStation went on a multi month tirade about how "generations matter, exclusive this, exclusive that", got us all fired up and buying into the PS5.
I'm simply following their lead, but we're almost two years in now, this is just how it's always worked anyway.
As for games, we were teased with Demon's Souls, Rift Apart & Returnal, but have gone completely backwards now + third party quality control for all these platforms is in an absolute state of terror.
Forbidden West is a perfect example that last gen has peaked, it moved zero needles, just a great PS4 game with fast loading times. Only speak for myself, but I went through the pre launch grind to secure the PS5 and invested in new hardware to go beyond what the PS4 delivered.
Re: SEGA Says Loads of New Games Are Coming This Year, Including Remakes and Remasters
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 not being playable on PS5 & Switch feels like a crime. They need to get on that! Heroes as well!
Re: Summer Game Fest 2022 Dated for 9th June, Game Reveals Planned
Geoff Keighley *sponsored by Epic Games
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Patch 1.13 Out Now, Here Are All Patch Notes
I enjoyed it, felt more like a bloated end of gen PS4 game than a next gen "experience" like Rift Apart & Demon's Souls were, but all of these post launch patches prove that they should've launched as a Summer blockbuster and as a bonus would have avoided the Elden Ring fight.
I have similar fears for God of War Ragnarok (and any cross gen game at this point) and will probably hold off on pre ordering after stepping up for HFB and feeling slightly burned.
Re: Sony Blocks Subscription Stacking As Pre-Paid PS Plus Cards Stop Working on PS5, PS4
They've pretty much cashed in all of the goodwill/loyalty Layden and crew earned from the PS4 era. The Jim Ryan and Hermen Hulst era sucks
Re: March 2022 NPD: PS5 Stock Problems Put Sony in Last Place
This sucks. At this point I've went from "when are we going full PS5 only" to "I hope they at least keep Insomniac's Spidey & Wolverine PS5 only". Feels like their whole generation plan got wrecked and the people who actually got PS5s are falling on the sword.
Re: Poll: When Do You Think God of War Ragnarok Will Release?
July. Sony doesn't touch holiday releases with the exclusives unless it's a console launch and I don't see them kicking off 2023 going all out on a cross-gen game.
Seems like they aim for a big exclusive during the Summer now and it's been very successful with TLOUII, Tsushima & Rift Apart
Re: Video: Is Live Service Really the Way Forward for PlayStation?
@naruball fair points! I understand the desire for the live service $$$, I'm just saying that I sincerely hope that it never comes at the cost of the incredible single player games that they put out. It's a difficult balance that has already sadly corrupted one of the big three.
Re: Video: Is Live Service Really the Way Forward for PlayStation?
They're gonna do whatever they want and the only thing I can do is speak with my wallet, but I'll still say it: don't fix what ain't broke. 20+ years of being a legendary brand off of the backs of incredible single player games. I truly hope they never forget what made them the juggernaut that they are.
Re: E3 2022 Has Been Completely Cancelled
Sad. I understand the hate for the ESA but always a little surprised at the cheering for E3's fall. It was a mid-year Christmas for all of us, one week of just all out gaming stuff.
I still stand by what I've always said, the PS4 isn't the global juggernaut that it became without the legendary E3 2013 press conference. Haymakers after haymakers and it was only possible because it was all LIVE. I'll miss E3
Re: PS Plus, PS Now Merged Service Revealed, Goes Live in June
Pretty much a rebrand of PS Now and sigh of relief. I'd like to keep the party going that we've had raging since the beginning. Just keep the big exclusives coming like we've had since PS1 and they get my continued support.
Re: PS5, PS4 Exclusives May Get Worse if Free with PS Plus Day One
Feels like the first time I've agreed with Jim Ryan in awhile. The proof of "subscription quality" is directly in front of us on you know where. Keep these massive legendary exclusives coming and I'll keep showing up to support them. Subscriptions are NOT the future of gaming.
Re: This Week Could Be Big for PlayStation, Say Swirling Rumours
Low expectations/interest for Spartacus, I'm guessing The Show 22 will launch with the highest tier and they'll push PS1 - PS3 classics as a heavy sell.
Extremely interested in a state of play the day after and it especially makes sense if they expect the reaction to Spartacus to be weak and need to remind everyone about the big incoming exclusives
Re: GTA Online Adding Paid, Monthly Subscription on PS5
Genuine garbage. I'll see y'all on Forbidden West & Kirby
Re: Hands On: Returnal's New Co-Op and Endless Modes Reinvigorate a PS5 Great
Jumped back in and all I've got to say is that it's still a masterpiece! Just scratching the surface of what these built for PS5 games will do!
Re: Gran Turismo 7 PS5, PS4 User Score the Lowest in PlayStation Exclusive History
Really looking forward to the war of PlayStation gamers who value exclusive, offline, no service or microtransaction games vs Jim Ryan, Hermen Hulst and their "bold" live service vision.
All I know is that we went from a pretty good ride on PS4 to what seems to be getting progressively more bumpy on PS5.
If the big exclusives like Demon's Souls, Rift Apart, Forbidden West, etc ever stop getting released, I think those two will find out very quickly "brand loyalty" doesn't go very far here. Xbox learned the hard way and no matter what Twitter tells you, they still haven't recovered 10+ years later. Don't fix what ain't broke.
Re: New Gran Turismo 7 Patch Lowers Currency Rewards, Fuelling More Microtransaction Criticism
Wait until the reviews to turn them on, let diehards defend because they weren't "so bad" and now they rip the band-aid off and make it egregious.
Everything about this has been embarrassing and textbook gaming industry corporate crap. Extremely disappointed in Sony
Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie Trailer Brings the Heat Ahead of April Premiere
Looks incredible!! Loving all the Sonic Adventure stuff in there!
Re: Gran Turismo 7's New Approach to Microtransactions Isn't Going Down Well
Concerning amount of comments brushing this off as "nothing". No one is telling you not to play GT7 or anything, and shout out to everyone who plays without touching that crap, but y'all better learn real fast to not give an inch or Big Jim Ryan will be asking us for $5 for a stack of wood in Horizon 3.
Absolutely disgusting that they took the Activision approach and just casually waited to turn them on until launch day.
Re: PS5, PS4's Revamped PS Plus Sub Allegedly Outlined in Report
Not surprised, they should have done nothing and just added some classics to the PS+ offerings. They're never changing the full price big budget AAA system seller single player game strategy until it fails, and it ain't failing anytime soon, this will just get them some bad PR.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Getting Review Bombed on PS5, PS4 for No Reason
Those are the people who think the future is all digital, services & subscriptions (thanks Microsoft). It honestly gives me more satisfaction in supporting the PS5 Special Edition. Who knows when or if it will end, but I'm riding the big banger PlayStation exclusive train all the way and this kind of stuff just amps me up even more