Wow! This is really freakin’ spicy, to say the least! Earlier this week, Microsoft bigwig Phil Spencer publicly revealed that his company had provided a “signed agreement” to Sony that would guarantee Call of Duty remains on PlayStation consoles for “several more years” beyond the Japanese giant’s current marketing arrangement with Activision Blizzard.
It was, at the time, assumed that the PlayStation maker had signed – but Sony suit Jim Ryan has bitten back, describing the offer as “inadequate”. In a popcorn-inducing statement sent to Games Industry.biz, the executive explained that he “hadn’t intended to comment on what I understood to be a private business discussion” but he feels the “need to set the record straight because Phil Spencer brought this into the public forum”.
He said: “Microsoft has only offered for Call of Duty to remain on PlayStation for three years after the current agreement between Activision and Sony ends. After almost 20 years of Call of Duty on PlayStation, their proposal was inadequate on many levels and failed to take account of the impact on our gamers. We want to guarantee PlayStation gamers continue to have the highest quality Call of Duty experience, and Microsoft’s proposal undermines this principle.”
Microsoft is currently trying to convince regulators that it should be allowed to follow through with its eye-watering $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard, and a big sticking point for some governments – including the UK – appears to be what the future holds for the Call of Duty franchise. Previously, the Redmond firm had compared its proposed handling of the first-person shooter series to multiformat franchise Minecraft, but this story potentially sheds a slightly different light on its plans.
In a post published earlier this year, Microsoft’s Brad Smith said “Microsoft will continue to make Call of Duty and other popular Activision Blizzard titles available on PlayStation through the term of any existing agreement with Activision”. He added: “We have committed to Sony that we will also make them available on PlayStation beyond the existing agreement and into the future so that Sony fans can continue to enjoy the games they love. We are also interested in taking similar steps to support Nintendo’s successful platform. We believe this is the right thing for the industry, for gamers and for our business.”
Then in a follow-up statement published less than a week ago, Spencer reiterated: “We've heard that this deal might take franchises like Call of Duty away from the places where people currently play them. That's why, as we've said before, we are committed to making the same version of Call of Duty available on PlayStation on the same day the game launches elsewhere. We will continue to enable people to play with each other across platforms and across devices. We know players benefit from this approach because we've done it with Minecraft, which continues to be available on multiple platforms and has expanded to even more since Mojang joined Microsoft in 2014.”
Judging by his response, it would appear that Jim Ryan is less trusting of Microsoft’s word.
[source gamesindustry.biz]
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Jimbo sounds desperate lol, he knows that without CoD their market leader position will probably fall. Sure bites them in the a** now that they fully stopped investing into their own FPS IPs.
@IonMagi Yeah, because Killzone and Resistance have always been big competitors to Call of Duty. 🙄
Jim Ryan has been nothing but a virtue of truth.... oh...
@IonMagi what goes around comes around.
Wow so hypocrite Phil who said Microsoft want to keep call of duty on playstation failed to mention the 3 years only part
@IonMagi
Of course he is feeling the pressure. It will hurt them financially if CoD fans leave for Xbox. Microsoft has been using underhanded tactics by throwing money on whole third-party publishers instead of creating blockbuster new IPs on its own or buying one or two small studios they have been close with like Sony. Sony has the right to defend its business when a bigger rival corporation is trying to kick it out of the market by throwing money and buying all the major third-party IPs.
Who are Microsoft going to buy next? PlayStation? Turds
@get2sammyb I mean they could have tried again to get an successful FPS series going haha. And even with those 2 being way more niche than CoD...at least they would still have 2 well known FPS on Playstation after CoD goes away
About time someone called out Phil Spencer for his BS. The guy claims that they "don't want to take games away from people" yet Starfield and Hellblade 2 aren't coming to PlayStation. And now he has the cheek to offer Sony, CoD for a meagre three further years (despite PlayStation being CoD's most popular platform) like he's doing them a favour.
There's a lot to be said for going about your business quietly, Phil.
Edit: Glad to see PlayStation calling this PR BS out finally.
I pity PlayStation gamers who could loose popular FPS series.
But seriously. ***** this guy.
He used his position of market leader to try suffocate Xbox for years. Street Fighter V, Final Fantasy series, crossplay fees, Game Pass blocking deals, getting cheap timed exclusives because PS4 was market leader etc. etc. And now he wants sympathy?
He is getting taste of his own medicine and he does not like it? Who would have thought...
@OneWingedAngel If hes feeling the pressure he should maybe finally start buying Studios that have some IPs under their belt. Before MS buys the whole Industry
Before this comments section inevitably deteriorates into fighting over their favorite game playing box once more, I need to know…
Does anyone on these sites ACTUALLY care about Call of Duty?
Vague Spencer and Jim Lyan at it again.
@IonMagi PlayStation been buying studios left and right ever since Jimbo was made ceo 3 years ago. And good play to him, finally calling out Phil's bs.
@Sakisa no but most gamers are casuals that literally buy cod or fifa and that’s it
@Sakisa Yes, I do!
And I care about PlayStation too.
I've never been a fan of Microsoft's tactic of just constantly throwing money around. They are Microsoft of course they can afford to buy up basically every studio they have eyes on. Sony doesn't have nearly that kind of dough, it's not even a close playing field. It's simply not fair competition and I don't blame these governments for having raised their eyebrows at how dirty this tactic is.
Hate Jim all you want, but this is a smart business move. Xbox has the spotlight on them to push this contract through, and Ryan stirring the pot is going to force them to give a better deal. Im not his greatest fan, but this what they hired him to do...
I'm honestly surprised MS offered Sony Call of Duty at all. If I was Phil, I'd make damn sure CoD became Xbox exclusive as soon as the existing deals expired. Otherwise this acquisition makes about as much sense as Sony's Bungie acquisition.
For the record, I don't care about CoD and this seems like Ryan's attempt at putting pressure on CMA to halt this deal.
Wow that's start to be really sad.
Sony the company who have exclusive content for cod for years, paying for spiderman exclusive rights (was multiplatform model) and let's not start talking about FF..
They live in some kind of bubble when they can do what they want but other companies can't.
As for now most of the devs Micro bought still releases games on multiplatform not that they need to do that's its just smart move.
I have all the platform and pro cod to stay multi but now I just can't read about Sony crying.
@jimbouk You mean Studios that are either tiny and brand new, for PC Ports, for Mobile Games, dont own any IPs whatsoever and Bungie? Thats not what will keep Sony relevant lol
@Sakisa
It's funny you ask, most of the people I know scream Exclusive but in the end playing more Cod and Fifa
Another day, another PushSquare article with "eye-watering" in it lol
@Godot25
Timed exclusives and exclusivity deals are part of the business. Xbox has been doing it for decades and long before Playstation. Remember all the JRPG exclusives MS secured during 360 era despite poor sales? Witcher 2 exclusivity? CoD marketing and DLC deals? How about Tomb Raider exclusivity? As for cross-play fees, it was an MS trap, to begin with. They wanted Sony to lose customers and created a PR nightmare by promoting crossplay. Sony had the right to protect its business and prevent the loss of customers. However, buying whole publishers is anti-competitive because it deprives rivals of games and can push them out of business. Sony or Nintendo have never done that.
As soon as Sony sign that agreement MS can say Sony accept what they are doing is acceptable. Can’t blame MS for trying to buy dominance, can’t blame Sony for trying to stop it. None of the current big players can compete financially with MS (and consumers shouldn’t want one dominant player buying everyone into Gamepass exclusivity).
@Godot25 In no way am I defending Jim here, but is that GamePass blocking thing true at all? There's no proof..just accusations. Oh and the SFV deal was different. Everything else you said is fair game.
Get him Jim! Several is not 3! Cerberus didn't have several heads, there aren't several blind mice running up to the farmer's wife, several isn't the magic number, Chevy Chase, Steve Martin and Martin Short aren't 'The Several Amigos'!
Ahhh I don't care, MS deserves Activision, I hope they both get several STDs off each other 😁
First off Microsoft don't have to give PlayStation anything past what is already agreed if they own it, secondly the people trying to make out he lied, it's a contract, they aren't going to offer a lifetime contract for a property they own to Sony...that doesn't mean they plan to remove it from PlayStation in the future just that things might need to be renegotiated to extend..it's standard
So I guess that is on PlayStation for:
2023
2024
2025
It’s seems a bit of fuss but I have said before I know a good few PlayStation gamers that are just COD and also FIFA gamers.
PlayStation will be fine for a few years I think it is after that they are very concerned.
He practically tried to snuff out the Xbox One - Microsoft did a pretty good job of nearly killing it themselves at the start but later in the generation despite Playstation's huge lead where he continued to press with FF exclusives, exclusive modes, characters and missions in games and refusing cross play etc.
Finally Xbox's daddy decided it was time to put up or shut up, and Jim starts crying foul.
Sorry but I want competition between the console platforms as that's best for everyone - Sony ruling the roost made them complacent and able to do things like £70 games and other nickle and diming, Jim's just upset as it might affect his bonus
@OneWingedAngel So why is Jimbo crying about it now? Because it backfired at him?
I never said that exclusives and timed exclusives are not part of business (and if they are for you I don't know why you have problem with Microsoft acquiring Activison Blizzard). And every company has right to protect their business. But I never heard Phil crying about fact that 4 current or future Final Fantasy games are not/will not be on Xbox despite fact that FFXV is there like Jimbo is crying now. So sorry, but I'm not feeling sorry for him.
If I was in Phil's place I would cancel current Call of Duty contract and I would stop releasing COD on PlayStation immediately. I know that if guys like Peter Moore was in charge of Xbox, they would do it for sure. Fact that he is offering keeping COD on PlayStation until 2028 is not bad offer.
@StylesT Except they don't own it yet. But Phil is conducting business in public like he does.
@gollumb82
I agree if I was Phil I would have pulled COD after this year 2022 and all other Xbox studio games almost.
I know it’s sounds mean but if Xbox want to be top dog one day they need to be ruthless.
@Rafie Yep a publisher or developer confirmed it, and the Resident Evil: Village marketing contract leaked as part of the Capcom hack
@Godot25 That's because Xbox gamers barely play JRPGS to begin with. Whatever they lose in Xbox sales they gain by FF's higher profile on PlayStation.
@Rafie every game that has PlayStation marketing contract has a clause that it can't be included in competing sub services for a certain amount of time after release. And even after that time, developer has to offer inclusion of that game in PlayStation Plus and Sony has 30 day to agree or disagree. Only after that period and after refusal developer can offer their game into Game Pass.
Search for REsident Evil Village Sony contract. It leaked on internet last year.
i dont see how this argument is beneficial to either side. its very petty. makes both look bad.
MS need the merger, Sony 'need' COD. there will be a compromise.
and to people saying 'sony paid for exclusive' pretty sure ms would have had a chance to bid for the same.
Xbox fanboys whine here again with similar excuses.Sony fund the games previously to make them exclusive, bought the studios they have close ties with. Unrealistic to compare the different things. The thing is Phil Spencer lies, he lies to make this deal goes through. He offers 3 years, not because he is generous but because he wants this deal to get approved.
There is no cod for next year, they are skipping a year.
@AdamNovice Sick of this played out and false narrative perpetuated by PlayStation gamers that ‘oh, Xbox players don’t play X’. JRPGs release and get played on Xbox quite regularly now, most are multiplat except Final Fantasy at this point.
@ionmagi The fact that xbox is buying up so many publishers shows to me who is trying to stay relevant lol 😂 . Honestly If I were you , I would rather play games instead of arguing 24×7 on here.
Several means about 7 or more imo. 3 is about a few. So.... yeah Phil is a liar. Jim Ryan is actually correct in this situation. Rare for him this year.
@mrbone Ehh. Where did he lie?
He said "several more years." Having COD until 2028 is "several more years" right?
@StylesT Fair enough if Phil doesn’t use that fact to pass the regulations. The only reason Phil makes this public is to appease the regulator. Could have mentioned it is an old agreement between Activision and Sony. So yes he lied.
@SinfulDestroyer bro, CoD is the best selling Game every year, obviously tons of PS Players care haha
@SinfulDestroyer Last I checked, that game sold best on playstation. Nobody here is representing for everyone.Please come back with better argument.
@Sakisa No, because most gamers don't post on forums and gaming sites. COD is huge, it's been MP for 20+ years, and Sony is fighting for it. Spencer literally compared it to a minecraft situation when a 3yr deal does not imply any confidence in that at all.
So it doesn't matter if you personally care about COD or not, it's a big deal for the industry. And everyone here likely cares to some extent about the industry itself.
@Godot25 First this is not agreement between microsoft and sony. Second, could have easily used 3 years father than several years. Last but not least, he said Sony signed an agreement which is totally wrong according to this news.
@Godot25 Final Fantasy XVI is a timed exclusive - https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/iu3vgg/just_a_reminder_that_final_fantasy_xvi_is_not_a/
You have already lied several times in this thread.
I don’t understand how Sony can complain about this when they’ve had so many timed exclusives, like Final Fantasy VII Remake, that don’t seem to ever come to Xbox. I’m just saying they both do this even when they don’t own the company.
@Omnistalgic The people on these sites seem more like sports teams yelling about their favorite plastic box than meaningfully caring about the industry on the whole tbh.
@awp69 MS could have outbid sony for exclusives anytime
@awp69 Poor comparison. Obviously as Sony don't own the company, Microsoft can make FF remake 2/3 or 4 exclusive if they pay more money. But can Microsoft make God of War exclusive?
@alexjs36 Please spare me. Same thing was written in trailers for FF VII Remake. That game came out in 2020. It's more than 2 years after it's initial release...and game is still not on Xbox.
So yeah. FF XVI won't be on Xbox either. It will be on PC of course after timed exclusivity.
@Godot25 Both Sony and MS have been d*@<'&, but at least Jimbo is honest about it, since he's a walking buffoon himself, and I don't know anyone who can stand him. Phil on the other hand pretends he is the nice guy.
Jim Ryan showing some fight instead of following Phil Spencer around like he has for the past few years? About time.
As for exclusives, I stand by everything I've ever said, we need them and without them, the industry becomes a live service, skin selling playground beyond what it already has.
So, three years beyond the current agreement which IIRC includes this years, another iteration of Warzone and another game on top of that? Plus there’s talk of a COD releasing every two years rather than one. Don’t think it’s too realistic to expect a written contract for much more than that.
Either way, the two large profit chasing multinational corporations bleating is getting a little tiresome.
@godot25 would MS not outbid sony if FF had enough demand on xbox? the genre generally does beter on ps
@mrbone “In January, we provided a signed agreement to Sony to guarantee Call of Duty on PlayStation, with feature and content parity, for at least several more years beyond the current Sony contract, an offer that goes well beyond typical gaming industry agreements,” says Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer in a statement to The Verge.
Really? Spencer did not said that Sony signed that agreement. Only that they provided signed agreement. Signed by them (Microsoft).
Dear Sony,
You had to make deals with Activision on a regular basis for Call of Duty (and other games I am sure). If the acquisition goes through, you will have to make deals with Microsoft on a regular basis for Call of Duty (and other games I am sure).
Same business practice, different company. The only real difference is that you will probably lose out on some privileges.
Sincerely,
Reality
@stvevan That's where "Sony's market position advantage" came in place. Sony could have those exclusivity contracts for cheaper thanks to fact that they were market leader in PS4 days.
@IonMagi
Desperate? I think that's okay. I think Phil this is before. He is now doing everything he can to make the Activision deal go through. So lie too. Because several years is different from 3 years. Playstation owners are therefore simply screwed hard if this takeover goes through. It should be clear that Mr. Spencer is playing dirty and throwing all rosy stories online when nothing is right. And so rightly so that Jim Ryan "corrects" this, nothing desperate about it but just honesty.
@Godot25 Signed agreement does not mean it is signed by both parties? And according to this news, this is also an existing agreement. What in Jan? (edit: read in again they offered three more years after the current agreement). We all understand signed agreement means it is agreed upon by both parties. That's when people signed, no? 3 years now is several years? It is just a lie to get this deal through the regulators.
@Sakisa Not significantly enough though where being timed exclusive on PlayStation is just as beneficial.
What, was he expecting a lifetime agreement? Sign your three year deal, renew when it approaches completion.
@Sakisa im not fussed to be honest,but millions of people like them,what iam bothered about though is if it has a knock on affect and ps stop making those games I love ,ie epic single player games.
@mrbone Why it would even need Sony's signature? After acquisition Call of Duty would be Microsoft's property. They can do whatever the ***** they want with it. It was more like - Microsoft announced this acquisition - Phil called Jimbo and said "we will honor contracts and will give you Call of Duty for several years" (which he publicly said on Twitter day after acquisition) and then had it written down in contract as a "written proof" from their side so they can provide it to the regulators. There is no need for Sony's signature. Because Sony does not have a right to negotiate anything about this "contract"
@godot25 money means nothing to MS so could easily pay more
@stvevan well. they paid 100 million dollars for ROTR timed exclusivity and gamers almost crucified them for doing it. Seems like one company can do it without backlash but second company can't.
@Kingleo31 So when does MS get its due?
@TommyNL Everything thats more than 1 year is "several" tho
@Godot25 Lets hope the deal bombs after this news would be funny.
The reason ps3 still sells although xbox 360 is very popular is because of the exclusives, now sony is porting all of their games to pc then there's less reason to choose ps5 compared to other console that still has exclusive (nintendo switch) or more powerfull and have great value subscription service (xbox).
@IonMagi except 2 or 3
Everything after PS3 is PS Several.
@AdamNovice ‘timed’ huh? Right.
Well considering people like to say Xbox players are Dude bros or only care about FPS, it might be beneficial on MS part to have CoD be a ‘timed’ exclusive when that 3 years are up. Makes about as much sense as the FF deals.
@GamingFan4Lyf Pretty sure Microsofts Endgoal is not to continue making Deals with Sony for CoD. They want it exclusive so that more sign up for Gamepass haha
@Godot25 Someone leaked that in purpose. That person(s) should be held legally responsible. That's pretty scummy for Sony, but they ain't the only ones doing it. Sony shouldn't be the only one on the chopping block..for that one.
I may be in the minority HERE for this, but I think Phil shouldn't even have to do a deal with them in the first place. What does Xbox get out of this deal?! I'm not asking how Xbox benefits from this, but what doe they get out of it.
At the end of the day, business is business. No matter whose behind it. Even if it's a crummy move. I understand it at least.
@Godot25 Well, not if the acquisition gets blocked. Which is highly unlikely, but this is the phase we're currently at.
@IonMagi MS' end goal is babies with VR chips in their heads 😆
@Rafie They're under scrutiny from regulators. They need to convince them they're not acting monopolistically. Hence the assurances they'll continue to release Call of Duty on other platforms.
@UltimateOtaku91 I think that’s 3 years plus the existing deal so doesn’t seem an unreasonable commitment from a competitor.
@PlayStationGamer3919 I'd rather they made another Resistance. Or get Naughty Dog to create something.
@awp69 because the timed exclusive games usually sell a few million at most over a number of years while COD sells 10 million a year on PlayStation alone. On top of that, this deal also includes Diablo, Overwatch, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Guitar Hero, Tenchu, Tony Hawk, Warcraft, StarCraft, and King which is the biggest mobile dev in the world. FF7 Remake could come to Xbox next month for all we know, but most of these other IP would likely be gone from PS once the existing contracts are up. It’s the difference between Sony making a billion dollars over a few years vs Sony potentially making 100 billion dollars over the same time period (bad math/expectations, but you see my point). At the very least it’s worth fighting over.
If MS wanted the timed exclusivity deals they could get them, they’d just rather buy the companies because that’s how they’ve always done business. I think I read somewhere that MS (not just Xbox) has acquired something like 400 companies to date. Not that they shouldn’t, I definitely would if I had the money just sitting around.
@Godot25 Twisting thing huh? Then why didn't he just say he offered 3 years beyond the current agreement? (it is not 2028, it is 3 years after the current agreement which is nowhere equivalent to several). Now you are explaining what happened behind the scene? lol. For me signed agreement means both parties agree and thus signed, it is the word Phil used, not the actual process or requirement. Shall we focus on the argument of Phil lied?
And after those 3 years a new contract will be negotiated and signed again. Pretty normal business practices. Cod won't be exclusive after those 3 years that doesn't make any type of business sense at all
If this deal goes through i wonder if Sony will play tit for tat and eventually remove destiny from xbox ,I know bungie said it will remain multiplatform ,but Sony own them afterall
@get2sammyb I would rather have killzone and resistance than copy and repeat call of duty
@Rafie Of course it's a business. But Jim get used to fact that he can dictate rules on the market.
It's clear what Phil and Xbox get out of this deal - most popular franchise currently on their subscription service, access to Asia market thanks to Blizzard and huge boost in PC Game Pass offering thanks to Blizzard and of course their way to mobile market thanks to King and insanely popular Candy Crush.
@Artois2 No lol. You cant tell me how to write lol.
@Razrye888 i'd rather have a new socom game..
@Godot25 and he gets a reach around from Kotick
@Lavalera I mean MS is making all future Bethesda Games exclusive, not sure why they wouldnt want the same for CoD. They want Gamepass Subscribers above everything else
@Lavalera then why not offer 10 or even 20 years ?
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Jim is such a poor loser. He would love nothing more than to completely eliminate all competition yet calls others out when they show a bit of muscle. Sony were forced into cross-play, backwards compatibility and their mangled version of Smart Delivery because of their competitors.
And technically 3 years is several years. What's incorrect about Microsoft's statement??? I also think CoD multiplayer will still remain on PlayStation.
@Grimwood I mean other Games that launch on GP are still selling great on other Platforms
@Lavalera I mean, if COD were exclusive it would likely pull millions of people away from PS and most of those people would likely buy all of their games on Xbox going forward. They’re trying to get people to subscribe to GP for life and that’s exactly what this deal will get them.
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Welp someone is a liar. Both men have done so in the past. Where's Saul Goodman at? He could figure this thing out!🤣
@mrbone Nope. I was not there (shocker, I know). It's just me trying to connect the pieces from known informations.
Spencer posted on Twitter that he had call with Sony day after acquisition (and he said there that COD will remain on Playstation without timeframe). That's just a fact. And of course, when you are trying to get this deal past regulators with promise that Call of Duty will be on PlayStation you can't just say that you said it. You need to have this in writing. Which is probably where this "contract" came about.
@get2sammyb maybe unlikely, but it would pass smoother with cod on PS. regulators dont like monopolies.
i can see a 2030 date/until next gen consoles. tbh i also think it benefits xbox players for it to be on ps as it means development will be better.
I don’t understand all of the comparison to things like final fantasy or street fighter here. Yes, Sony could have let these games go multi platform and it would have been better for gamers. But we’re not talking about arcade fighters or RPGs here we’re talking about COD.
This is a game that the most casual of casual gamers buy yearly and could probably sell its own console. The other games make a difference, this is a franchise where exclusivity could define an entire platform. PlayStation is fighting with the timed and Japanese exclusives and Microsoft is dropping the hydrogen bomb with this one.
Dumb sh*t all around here but this one is a major coup by Phil.
@IonMagi That is indeed correct. But even then, everyone can make out from this what Microsoft intends to do with the acquisition. And that is simply not good to say. I don't play CoD myself and personally I don't care at all what happens to Activision. But I do think that they leave Playstation owners out in the cold in this way. At least those who play CoD then.
@tallythwack Sony wouldn't want more then 3 years before renegotiating anyway. Who knows what the gaming landscape will look like in 10 years. Will CoD still be popular??? It's in nobody's interest signing stupidly long contracts like that.
@Lavalera (And after those 3 years a new contract will be negotiated and signed again.)
Microsoft will never renew it, they are only doing this so Sony shuts up on the buyout.
@Octane exactly this. Yet everybody still seems to think that he actually cares about gaming as a whole and not just Xbox, you know the people that pay his wages. People are just so so gullable
To better understand that: Is there any info when the „current agreement between Activision and Sony ends“? At do you think it’s a clever move from SIE to shoot against this agreement instead of accepting it? When SIE keeps on being stubborn, then in the worst case CoD support stops immigration after the ending of the current agreement. I‘ve got the bad feeling that Jim Ryan risks too much here.
@__jamiie CoD has been popular for 20 years even tho it gets worse every year. It will obviously still be popular in 3 years because theirs simply no real competiton
@Godot25 No you misunderstood me. I mean what does Xbox get out of doing the deal with Sony? Outside of the benefits of having their game on PS.
@Godot25 I know you are making things up. You don't need to say these irrelevant things. You are veering from our argument again and again. Shall we focus on the fact that Phil lied on Twitter? There is no signed agreement nor does he offer to provide several years of COD content. (don't say he doesn't need to, yes absolutely true but he needs to appease the regulators, hence he lied)
@get2sammyb I forgot about that tidbit of news as of late. Thanks for the reminder, Sammy!
@Rafie I guess they will just keep COD on Playstation this gen and pull the series out of PS consoles in next gen.
Also I guess they wanted to have something in writing to appease regulators.
@IonMagi apples and oranges. Bethesda acquisition was always for the exclusivity as it was always communicated, besides those games don't even sell anywhere near the amounts of cod. Abk is to also get entrances into the mobile and pc market where they are still weak. Cod is by far the best selling game every year even if they make that exclusive they will never get enough players over to Xbox to get the same amounts of moneyas keeping it on Ps. @Shstrick the answer on your question as well.
@tallythwack nobody knows how the business landscape will look like in 10 years. Will there even be consoles? How does the gaming market look by then? Short term contracts are more logical from a business sense since landscapes can change
Where is Final Fantasy VII remake? Supposed to be a one year deal right? What happened to that? Oh I get it. It’s okay when Sony can be vague and not give a definitive answer but when the shoe is on the other foot, then it’s all of a sudden a problem or poor business etiquette.
Well like most of us on here I don't care about cod but we can't ignore the sales. Seriously though who actually thought that Microsoft was going to spend that crazy amount of money and not gain any advantage for it? It's screwed over us playstation owners but that's business
Sounds like having Bungie and Haven are a good thing. A dev can develop something that can compete. The key is to actually believe that and follow through.
Trolls saying Sony securing some digital trinkets and Final Fantasy timed exclusivity is somehow equal to Microsoft buying 2 major publishers and half a dozen multiplatform developers always leaves me scratching my head.
@Lavalera They will make even more money since Players who have to switch to Xbox for CoD will probably also buy all their other Games there and subscribe to Gamepass.
@Nyne11Tyme Bungie already confirmed that all their future Games will stay Multiplatform lol
Playstation not letting us cancel preorders or refund digital games is still more anti-consumer than this.
Plus, the deal never says what will happen AFTER the 3 years. It could just be an extension of the current deal. No one is saying it WON'T come to Playstation ffs
@get2sammyb Not yet, but with proper investment and support they absolutely can turn any of those franchises into a CoD competitor, for god sake THEY HAVE BUNGIE NOW, they’re totally capable of creating an even better shooter.
It’s time for Sony to stop relying SO MUCH on one franchise alone, it even seems that for them Call of Duty is worth more than all of their exclusives together…
@IonMagi that would only be true if a large part of all the cod players will move over to Xbox and that won't happen. Sure players will buy a Xbox instead of a playstation but the large part won't, so by not providing the people who stay on playstation with cod will then cost them money and for cod that means tons of money.
Don’t feel sorry for y’all damaged last of us copies. It’s y’all fault you support a cheap a$$ company like Sony and they’ll keep doing it lmfao 🤣
Cry harder big Jim your tears are so tasty.
@IonMagi But no sensible business signs a 10 or 20 year deal to license a game for their platform in this day and age.
The entire industry is unrecognisable from what it was 10 years ago and 20 years ago.
@riceNpea Literally the definition of several is more than 2 but not many. You use several when the exact number is not known or disclosed. But 3 definitely qualifies as several. When he originally said several, a safe assumption would have been that 3 was among the options for the meaning of his words.
@IOI Nah, it's not realistic. Call of Duty has about 10 studios working on it, and a colossal fanbase. It's the best-selling game every year, even when it underperforms. It's easy to sit here on Push Square and say "Well, they should just make a competitor to it."
But actually actioning that is near-impossible. Look at how many have tried since Modern Warfare blew up, and how many have actually had success.
This is kind of embarrassing. What does Xbox owe PlayStation. If Jim doesn’t like the deal, they should counteroffer with something better.
Uncle Phil telling lies again.
Slimiest person in the gaming industry.
@Hypnotoad107 As has been pointed out many times, the deal has yet to be approved by regulators. They owe nothing to PlayStation, but they still need to prove to governments that this $69 billion (!!!) purchase should go ahead.
Jim Ryan is a disaster for PlayStation, this is totally embarassing
When will the crying stop? Would love if COD ends up being exclusive to Microsoft just to see Sony's reaction.
Good to see Jim Ryan showing some fight in the war. People don’t realize the damage COD getting off the PS platform will do. You can combine Spider-Man and all the final fantasy titles together, it doesn’t get near the revenue Sony will be losing from COD. Microsoft are working there way towards buying out more of the industry with zero creativity. They are a monster that continues to get bigger and aren’t playing nice anymore. Microsoft and slimy Phil Spencer cannot be trusted.
Microsoft, or any corporation for that matter, should not be trusted at their word. Executives change, business directions change, shareholders' desires change.
Aside from that, Microsoft proves time and time again they cannot be trusted with market power.
@Lavalera They obviously will lol, every Gamer whos still dumb enough to buy CoD every year will gladly spend 230€ for an XSS
@KaijuKaiser This same old line again. ☹️ "Sony have always made close partnerships and nurtured them blah blah blah". Tencent, Facebook, Amazon and Embracer are gobbling up studios at a ridiculous rate so that's not a viable option anymore. And when Sony were new-ish to the market they bought up as many studios as they could afford. They would have bought ActiBlizz if they could have and then stated that they've had such a wonderful partnership over the years because of their CoD timed exclusives and bonus content.
Regardless of how high their share price has ever been, Sony could never have done anything like this buyout.
Dont mind me im just here to read the saltiness in the comments
@get2sammyb on the other hand, most of those games have been garbage and this is Sony we’re talking about. Sure, nobody has been able to make a game that actually competes with COD - it seemed like Battlefield was close there for a while - but if anyone can do it, I would think Sony can. They wouldn’t be able to produce games at the same pace as Activision, but over time? Who knows…
If this deal goes through I expect Sony will at least give it a shot, and that’s a very exciting prospect for me
@IonMagi so where gonna take that Statement as 100% fact? Because it sounds like both Ryan and Spencer have been talking out the side of their mouths for a while. I'm no more inclined to believe Bungie stays multi forever the same way I'm no more inclined to believe that FF7R will ever come to Xbox or that CoD will actually stay on PS for 3 extra years. You can't trust guys with 2 first names. Lol
Personally I'd be happy to see playstation leave call of duty behind and focus more on big single player experiences, it probably cost them mega bucks for their call of duty deals, so without it that money can be spent better elsewhere, plus don't forget Nintendo is dominatinh xbox without having call of duty, with single player experiences alone, just think pokemon sells more lol
I'd glady take playstations exclusives final fantasy 7 remake Reunion and final fantasy 16 any day over call of duty, playstation is home to the best single player games and the best JRPG's on offer and should strengthen that position further with acquisitions of square enix etc
Everyone at Xbox knows they can't compete with Playstation on a level playing field, they've been behind PS on almost every generation since Xbox first started with 360 being the only one to come close. Towards end of last last gen and start of this gen all Xbox has done is use a large portion of their trillions. Oh we can't make any new successful fresh 1st party triple A IP of our own so let's just buy some of the best in the industry to do the work for us and eventually take all those longtime existing 3rd party games away from PS. None of this bullcrap Xbox says ain't pulling the wool over my eyes I can see right through it
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@Nyne11Tyme this is the best take I’ve seen yet. I agree. Don’t trust corporations.
The New World Order want you poor. To do this they have some 'sweetners' to help you comply. The removal of competition while appearing benign with things like gamepass(gaming so cheap it can be funded my megatech). Anybody who thinks Microsoft are the lesser of two evils, god bless your ignorance.
@KayOL77 This. I used to work for a giant defense contractor in the US. If people knew how much money flows between the contractors, the government, and Microsoft…
But COD is on PC and Jim is pushing PS gamers to PC anyway, so I'm not sure why he cares
@KaijuKaiser lol
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I knew when MS said ‘a few years’ that it wouldn’t be many. Didn’t think it would be three though - the least amount of years that could be described as being ‘a few’. But MS are great at pretending to be the ‘good guys’. Look, we’re reasonable… honest…
@Kingleo31 "we already knew what a bunch of crybaby entitled brats you all were, but this is just pathetic"
Yet xbox players are crying over not having final fantasy 7 remake, spiderman being exclusive in avengers and more recently crying over playstation having an extra side quest in hogwarts legacy. Next up final fantasy 16.....
@__jamiie then why moan and then describe the offer as inadequate, if they didn't want more than 3 years ?
I find it very unwise that Sony doesn't keep hammering it home this isn't only about Call of Duty and the Activision-Blizzard deal does not exist in a vacuum. Microsoft bought another major publisher two years ago and intends to keep those games exclusive, it seems. So, it's not about losing Call of Duty only - it's about losing Fallout, Doom, Elder Scrolls, Wolfenstein, etc. AND Call of Duty.
@get2sammyb I’d like to thank you and others with their replies for reminding me why I muted IonMagi.
@Nyne11Tyme I mean Sony so far hasnt bought a Studio to pull their Games from Xbox. MS has, several times. Also Bungie is still independend and not directly included into SIE
I don't like either Phil or Jim but he is right about Microsoft wanting this contract they've drawn up public knowledge without actually going into details also find it funny how they can be writing up contracts about call of duty before they even own it but say they can't do anything about how Activision is being run until the deal closes & won't say weather they'll fire that c*** kotick
@IonMagi And the cringe king doesn't disappoint. MS could have invested that $70 billion into an insane amount of genres and new IP's instead of buying out 3rd party publishers because they're so terrible at making new IP's. Your takes are absolute garbage.
@Godot25 Literally everything you've said Xbox has done far worse. The one thing Sony or even Nintendo has never done is buy out 3rd party publishers because they can't even compete normally. The worst part of this is MS is using conglomerate money, none of which that even come from the gaming industry, to buy up these publishers. That just opens the door for anyone to come in and buy anything they want to make themselves a market leader. Some of you have no clue of what you're talking about.
Jim gets laughed at a lot, but I like his move here. MS made it a habit lately to release ambiguous messaging to public, that presents them as good guys at the first glance. But there is typically a passive aggressive undertone.
Kudos to Jim for making it transparent, telling it how it is. S*it stinks in both yards.
@KaijuKaiser Xbox buying Bethesda was done because they had built a long term relationship with them over many years through Xbox and PC. A far stronger relationship than Sony ever had.
Does that make that deal okay in your eyes???
Glad to see someone publicly call out Phil Spencer on his *****.
@tallythwack For headlines and to seem like the hard done by martyr maybe?
@__jamiie Bethesda Games all still released on Playstation, Nintendo and so on. Bluepoint only worked for Sony for many projects and years, Insomniac too except for 2 Console Games and Housemarque were PS/PC only too. All the other Studios are either very new or for Ports. You notice a difference there right hah
@Widey85
If you want competition than demand Xbox to be better not to buy anything they see.
Buying everything isnt being better it is just taking away stuff from others.
@Godot25 I completely agree with your statement.
@Sakisa
Not me in the slightest.😆
Lots of Xbox fans here really believing a game like RE8 would be on gamepass day one.
Why hasnt games that Xbox had marketing deal with go gamepass day one, easy answer cause game is to big for gamepass and will sell well.
@thefourfoldroot1 maybe they can’t compete with Microsoft no, nearly every damn pc in the world runs on their software. However when we’re talking xbox vs PlayStation as a brand, well PlayStation is miles ahead mate
@IonMagi Microsoft did more for, and with Bethesda, than Sony have ever done. Insomniac released an exclusive on Xbox last gen. Therefore Sony have locked Xbox players out of a potential sequel.
How is that fair???
Oh wow!
It’s exceptionally rare that Sony mentions Xbox and publicly comment on them. JR is visibly exasperated by Spencer constant gaslighting. 😅
@awp69 over last years Xbox has had more timed exclusive games than Sony.
Differrent is that Xbox has it on small indie games.
Honestly F both these morons.
COD IS Garbage, it not being on Playstation would be great for gamers and perhaps force corporate pigs to listen, actually innovate rather than cater to the gullible sheeple gobbling up live service trash, iterative copy and paste sequels and shameless cash grabs.
Neither of these Schills cares about you , I, or the millions of others that literally fund there lives. They only care about how to syphon more out of you for less effort.
Oh btw mr PushSquare. I commented at the time that the title saying Sony and Ms signed an agreement was misleading. It looks like it’s confirmed and that was already mentioned in the verge Spencer only sent a signed letter. (which he called an agreement 🙄) An offer. It’s not a bilateral agreement.
@__jamiie Yes, pls compare those Situations with Microsoft who bought 2 whole Publishers in 2 years One alone has more IPs that will never release on Playstation anymore than every exclusive Sony ever had
"We want to guarantee PlayStation gamers continue to have the highest quality Call of Duty experience, and Microsoft’s proposal undermines this principle."
Google, please translate.
<translating>.....standby.....
"We want to guarantee our 30% cut of all Call of Duty games sold on Playstation platforms, and Microsoft’s proposal undermines our quarterly profit potential!"
We're seriously living in bizarro world when the major conglomerate company buying up the industry is the good guy to some of you delusional people.
"I hadn’t intended to comment on what I understood to be a private business discussion, but I feel the need to set the record straight because Phil Spencer brought this into the public forum," Ryan stated.
To me that's the most telling line in the whole fiasco.
Take it to court. Let’s see all the skeletons come out for both Sony and MS…I guarantee both don’t want that.
Sonys principle of buying timed exclusivity modes and content in cod is the only thing that’s definitely going to take a hit when this deal goes through…and even then they’ll still be able to carry those principles for another 2 years. Add 3 years contracted cod on top - sounds like a fair deal. If Xbox is making money and subs during the next 5 years then why would they pull it from PlayStation. Hopefully they’ll just throw Xbox gamers a bone and allow them to play stuff early and have timed exclusive content…can’t really complain about that
@get2sammyb “As has been pointed out many times, the deal has yet to be approved by regulators. They owe nothing to PlayStation, but they still need to prove to governments that this $69 billion (!!!) purchase should go ahead.”
I agree they still have to prove that, but Jim is acting like Microsoft should be giving PS CoD with parity on both systems in perpetuity. Three years seems reasonable to me, but Sony is completely within their rights to reject this offer, as well. Neither party should make a deal that they aren’t satisfied with.
CoD is massively important. Always has been. Like it or lump it, it makes billions. Microsoft having exclusive access to it would be devastating for Sony.
@Marquez
You can mute IonMagi?
Share the secret, how do you do it?
@Godot25
You cannot "cancel" a legally binding contract or Sony would take them to court and demands billions in damages. That is why Phil Spencer cannot do it. As I said, buying timed exclusivity or one or two small devs is part of the business but buying whole third-party publishers for 70 billion is not. That is anti-competitive and evil and it hurts customers in the long run. Monopoly or oligopolies always hurt customers when customers do not have any substitutes.
As for some Japanese games being exclusive to Playstation, Final Fantasy or other JRPGs are Japanese franchises. They barely sell on Xbox. Japanese companies have very little motivation to release them on Xbox. If Sony can cover the meager sales they may lose by not releasing them on Xbox then they have no reason to dedicate manpower and funds to port those games to Xbox. That is why they are exclusive to Sony. If Xbox customers bought those games then those companies would never make them exclusive to Playstation.
@Futureshark Tap/click on any comment, hit the ignore option, enjoy the silence.
@IonMagi Again, it goes back to what's possible for each platform holder.
Sony bought what they could. Microsoft bought what they could.
Just because the scope of one company's purchases exceed another company's purchases doesn't make one evil and the other a saint.
I don’t know if Jim is in a position to call the deal inadequate. If the Activision deal goes through (it will), Microsoft isn’t obligated to give Sony COD at all. Talk about negotiating from a position of weakness…
@__jamiie Generally Sony buy studios they've forged a relationship with, or have nurtured. MS just buy things that are shiny. They tried to buy Nintendo ffs 😁😆😆😆
@get2sammyb "Yeah, because Killzone and Resistance have always been big competitors to Call of Duty. "
Call of Duty wasn't always this big either. It didn't really blow up until Modern Warfare. If you give up, you never get a hit. Not saying I know what direction they should had ever taken, but entirely abandoning FPS in favor of third-party marketing deals was not the best long-term approach, and the same holds true about RPGs. When was the last time Sony developed an RPG? White Knight Chronicles?
@IonMagi
He does not have the kind of money that MS has at its disposal. Simple truth. That is why anticompetitive and antitrust laws exist; to protect smaller businesses. Otherwise, all industries would be dominated by the wealthiest business that would crush and kick the smaller ones by throwing money at everything. MS has done this in the past and has been taken to court over it. They are an anticompetitive and monopolistic company that pretends to be pro-consumer until they kick everyone out of the industry or brings them under its heel.
@OneWingedAngel Again with the claims of ‘Xbox players don’t play JRPGs’ to justify when Sony money hats, and once more with absolutely nothing to back up the claim except a flimsy ‘if people on Xbox cared they’d be on Xbox’ as if it worked that way.
Feel how you want about the companies, but PS gamers need to stop making stuff up about Xbox players to justify what Sony does. Japanese games are put on Xbox constantly these days and yes, they do get played. And yes, Sony is guilty of keeping games from other player bases just like MS is.
@Futureshark Go to his profile and knock yourself out
It really doesn't matter whether iy comes to Playstation or not... Once people realized is 70 on Playstation and no extra cost on Xbox the Call of Duty crowd will abandon Playstation
@Hypnotoad107 That's for the regulators to decide, though, which is kinda the whole point.
Both companies are trying to pile pressure to get the outcome they desire ultimately. It's all posturing.
@IonMagi Excuse me, there are quite a few PS players who are a bit above COD and FIFA casual status, i see the loss if COD more as a statement of quality intent 😉
The best part of this whole situation will occur five years from now, when the NDAs involving the middle managers at Sony and Microsoft expire or no longer matter.
Then we get the books. The really good books that chronicle these events from start to finish.
@Godot25 There's a massive difference between timed exclusive Final Fantasy and buying the entire publisher for $69 billion, though. This is false equivalency, to be honest.
@DualWielding
Exactly this.
Microsoft pulled a coup. They had the marketing rights during the 360/PS3 era and COD ended up being far more popular on 360.
Then Sony snagged those same rights in 2014 and after that the COD crowd mostly moved to Playstation.
They are platform agnostic players. They go to wherever COD is at its best.
@OrtadragoonX and in 75 years we also get Pfizer's books which will be fascinating!
@get2sammyb I fail to see the ‘timed’ part with FF
@get2sammyb I still can't wrap my head around that number..$69 billion. That's almost one third of a Bezos!
@get2sammyb It's a multi-directional difference, though. Investors are selling ActBliz because its on a down swing and they honestly don't trust the ability for it to ever turn around.
Microsoft owning a company means they are taking on a lot of risk and liability that you just don't sign up to when you sign up for a timed exclusivity deal.
@OneWingedAngel
Gaming is a harsh business.
Sony should have seen this coming. They expected Microsoft to continue not to take the Xbox seriously. Microsoft corporate has always given the Xbox division low priority until about five years ago.
That sleeping giant analysts warned them about has woke up. And 3 trillion versus 150 billion isn’t really a fight anymore.
@Tharsman they're taking all the risk and liability in return for all the marbles.
@Sakisa
If it's true then what is wrong with the argument? Please tell me how many millions several of the JRPGs released on Xbox sold compared to Playstation? What happened to all the JRPGs that Xbox 360 secured including Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, and Tales of Vesperia? All of them flopped and had to be released on PS3 to recover their costs. Lost Odyssey never even got a sequel. FF13, FF15, Tales games, and Yakuza games all flopped on Xbox. It is a fact even if you do not like it. It only provides more motivation to devs to make them exclusive to PS.
@OrtadragoonX no way. Nobody saw MS spending $69 billion coming. It's totally unprecedented. Its more than the MS gaming division could hope to spend and only possible because of MS' revenue from other departments.
@riceNpea Sony enquired about buying a majority stake in Nintendo during the Super Famicom/Super CD days before the PlayStation was a reality.
@riceNpea "I still can't wrap my head around that number..$69 billion. "
I dont see the number as that big of a number, to be honest. I mean, Disney bought 21st Century Fox for 71 billion, and Microsoft almost paid 40 billion for discord.
Linked in, a site for job hunting, was 26 billion.
Skype was 8.5 billion, and thats just basically one app.
i think it is time sony stopped crying and started to focus on a call of duty "killer". that would shut phil up and would give sony fans something to brag about. it is not impossible. sony has the resources and talent to make this a reality. by the time the cod agreement expires for sony.... in say, 5 years, sony could very well have its own exclusive fps to retain its users. and for god sakes, please make an fps that is able to differentiate itself from cod rather than just another cod clone. killzone was a good attempt, but i think the cod community wants a franchise that is slightly more grounded in reality (yes, i know cod is not realistic, but it gives off a more grounded vibe compared to the scifi slant of killzone).
@__jamiie they did. And that there is early evidence that MS is not interested in development or innovation. Acquisitions and takeovers is their m.o. They're not really bothered about the gaming industry like Sony and Nintendo only what they can syphon out of it.
@OrtadragoonX
Gaming is a business and businesses are governed by laws and rules. "Might (whether physical or financial) is right" is not the law of the land in the civilized world. You cannot push the little players out of the industry by throwing money so you can make all the money by yourself. That is why antitrust and anticompetitive laws exist to give everyone a fair chance at business. How would you like if somebody stole your job or customers by spending money instead of competing legitimately by offering a better product or service? Of course, it would hurt you and you wouldn't wish it to happen to you. That is why buying whole publishers is wrong. It destroys rival businesses and takes away options from customers.
@Smiffy01
Sony very much cares.
Sony gets a 30% cut of everything COD related on PlayStation platforms. That’s the yearly sales of the game itself, the battle passes, and all of the microtransactions.
It’s why they are fighting this so hard. Sony makes more off of just Battlepasses and micro transactions related to COD than they do for their own first party games. It’s that big.
Love it or hate it (and I’m in between when it comes to COD on a personal level) it is the best selling and most profitable gaming series on the planet this side of Pokémon and Minecraft. Sony’s profitable empire built during the PS4 era was mostly built by being the platform of choice for COD players.
If they lose that, it’ll hurt them real bad. Look at the PS2. Sony’s best selling platform. Outsold the PS4 by over forty million units.
Yet from a profitability standpoint it doesn’t even come close to the PS4. And a significant portion of that money came from COD.
@Tharsman and TLoU is £70. Seems cheap now 😆
@OneWingedAngel If that’s the case, why did the latest Tales game release on Xbox? Or Soul Hackers 2? Why is Persona releasing on Xbox? Why are you bringing up games from two console generations ago when talking about Xbox players now?
And again, where is the hard proof of your claim that an entire player base that you just painted with a broad brush doesn’t play a very popular genre that’s only seen more and more releases on Xbox, like I’ve seen so many Sony fanboys do?
Oh, and I’d like proof Yakuza failed on Xbox too please. Failing a lack of proof, kindly stop making stuff up.
@riceNpea I'm obviously talking about money at a corporate level. Corporate language tends to add six to 9 left digits to anything we, common folk, would ever talk about.
@OneWingedAngel
I get that and agree.
But no one is going to block this deal. Regulators are just going through the motions. If Microsoft was the number 1 player in the industry right now they probably would get blocked. But they’re in third place behind Sony and Nintendo. That’s why no one will block it.
Sony should have been better prepared for this. It was going to happen sooner or later. They kept thinking that big daddy Microsoft corporate was going to keep looking at the Xbox as a side show.
Anyone could have seen the sleeping giant waking up the potential profits of the gaming industry. Sony has no one to blame but theirselves for not being ready.
Which is a bit ironic. In WWII many leaders in the Japanese navy who had lived in the US in exchange programs warned Tojo and the IJA about the hidden potential of the United States. They were overruled and ignored. They gambled.
Ironic that Sony, a Japanese company, made the exact same mistake.
@Tharsman yes, I was joking.
@get2sammyb So then what would you do? Just give up on the entire FPS genre? Throw infinite tantrums trying to get regulators to block the merger?
Call of Duty didn’t become the best-selling franchise overnight, obviously a competitor wouldn’t have that level of success on the first try, but as I said, with the right investment and support they definitely have a shot of having a wildly successful FPS franchise even if it doesn’t get to CoD levels on the first try, at least that’s better than give more importance to a third-party franchise instead of their own exclusives.
@Sakisa
Proof? The proof is in the pudding (the sales). FF15 for example sold 79% of its total sales on PS4 compared to just 21% on Xbox. Not to mention Japan sales are nonexistence on Xbox. I am sure if you compare the sales of several JRPGs between both platforms you will see a similar difference. Japanese devs tried and some are even trying now but they have generally realized Xbox is not worth it for Japanese games.
https://www.psu.com/news/final-fantasy-15-ps4-sales-stomp-all-over-the-xbox-one-version/
Now tell why SquareEnix would bother releasing FF16 on Xbox after that?
@IOI
I think Sony should try to make a competitor, but it will most likely fail in regards to making Sony the money that COD brings in for them.
COD is a platform. It’s one of the few game series to reach that level. Fortnite, Grand Theft Auto V, Minecraft, and Pokemon are in that same level of popularity.
Those games are their own platforms.
@OneWingedAngel PS5 is proving to be less attractive for Japanese developers too as the public there is much more interested in mobile gaming than console than they've ever been before.
@OneWingedAngel So a 6 year old article based on physical sales only in the UK from a game from the previous generation is why Xbox gamers now don’t play JRPGs, why Yakuza failed to sell on Xbox, and why it’s okay for Sony to moneyhat Final Fantasy?
Some proof you got, wow!/s
Again, Sony fanboys should stop making stuff up about the Xbox fanbase, it’s getting tiresome.
I could say that is what my PC is for... but COD is not on my PC/PS5 list one way or another.
Happy to play the single player campaign (the year it gets one) on PC GamePass if that becomes a thing now.
But my PS5 is for Story driven single player games and RPGs - not COD.
@OrtadragoonX Sony should concentrate on PSVR and get it to the point where we don't need a console to play it. It could be the real evolution in gaming that takes over the world once it matures to a level that removes all boundaries to entry.
@OneWingedAngel
29% of FFXV’s total sales are pretty respectable.
Due to the hardware similarities between PS4 and Xbox One, it didn’t cost them much to create the port.
For FFXVI, Sony paid big money for the exclusivity. Possibly more than the theoretical Xbox version would have brought in.
Had Sony not paid, it’s likely that the game would be heading to Series X and S as well. Since once again the hardware is so similar that a port is super easy and cheap.
It’s a different world today than it was during the PS3/360 era, where the consoles had dramatic hardware and logic board differences that influenced the cost of development.
This deal is going to go through. It won't be stopped.
My fear is that if it is stopped MS will buy someone else out of spite that I actually care about.
I understand that CoD is important and why, I just don't care about it. Sony can still run a profitable business without it.
They have other projects and plans in the works to generate income.
The point here for me is, MS tried to imply that they were the nice guys once again, offering Sony a benevolent deal to appease the regulator.
Can we finally stop going on like the sun shines out of Phil Spencer's butt and recognise that all of these companies are just as slimy as each other?
At the end of the day it doesn't matter though. Whoever has the most money will win this thing.
Sony don't need to be on top. They can keep doing business and keep delivering the goods we've grown accustomed to.
I hope.
They have the rest of this gen to plan for what happens next.
Edit: As others have noted here, VR could really take off this gen if done right. I would add that something along the lines of Genshin impact on PS4/PS5, PC and mobile wouldn't do any harm either.
Sony haven't taken a serious run at a GAAS game yet because they never had to. I'm very curious to see what they pull of in that space.
@riceNpea
Exactly.
If it was solely about sales SquareEnix would be releasing FFXVI on Switch and mobile phones in Japan.
Because those two platforms take a dump on both Microsoft and Sony in the land of the rising sun.
@get2sammyb heh yeah I imagine everybody would be happier here if MS just bought cod as timed exclusive this gen…or even a year or two exclusivity per cod. Long as PlayStation gets it!
…rather than a guarantee they get it day one for the next 5 years with no differences (no timed exclusive content)…and then 6 years from now face a possibility it will only be available on Xbox and gamepass.
@OrtadragoonX
Well, that I can agree with. It is a very reasonable analysis. But I do not think Sony could have done much to prevent it. Activision was looking to sell and only MS had that kind of money. The only thing Sony can do is appeal to the government authorities to stop the acquisition. If that doesn't work then tough luck. I only think that it is not a good thing overall.
@riceNpea
I agree with that. Japanese industry has changed drastically since the rise of handhelds. Home consoles are just not as popular anymore.
@Sakisa
Well, can you bring better proof than that? Please show me a JRPG on Xbox that sold the same or more than the Playstation version and I will acknowledge your argument. I am sure I can find more articles but if you have already made up your mind then any kind of proof would be inadequate for you. It will always be "too old, too flimsy, too limited, etc." for you.
@OneWingedAngel yeah. Sony I think has been smart and forward thinking getting involved with VR. It's obvious that it will become very important in the future, so much so Zuckerberg has bet everything on it. If Sony get PSVR right at some piint in the future it could be the world leader in the true evolution of gaming out of 2D and into real world projection
@OrtadragoonX
Not 29%. It was only 21%. 79% sold on Playstation. In other words, if 79,000 were sold on PS, then only 21,000 were sold on Xbox. This was only in the UK. The numbers are much worse in Japan and other Asian regions where the Xbox versions sell just a few hundred or thousands of copies in a lifetime. Those are extremely dire figures. If it costs a company a few million dollars to port a game to a platform and if they cannot even recover that money or barely recover that money then what is the point of releasing it on that platform?? You need to make SIGNIFICANTLY MORE money than you spent to make porting worthwhile. If FF15 flopped in most regions on XBox then there is no reason to release FF16 on Xbox for SE.
@OneWingedAngel Sorry, this isn’t about a JRPG selling more on the console with the far less install base, nor is it a sales game, the burden of proof is on the one making claims about an entire player base which I see people do multiple times on this site. You cannot prove Xbox players don’t play JRPGs dingus, that’s the point I’m trying to make, so stop making baseless claims.
@IOI Sony should save their pennies and attempt to buy EA…have them bring back the medal of honour series…it’s been long enough. That and battlefield are established games in the fps market and could give cod a run for its money. Sony has always done one thing far better than MS - market games. Cods ‘unwavering domination’ as this feared possible future exclusive to Xbox relies just as much on Xbox getting the message out that its home to cod as it does the cod name alone. Xbox are only good at marketing themselves online…outside of the internet they barely make their presence known these days. If you have Medal of Honor and battlefield posted everywhere you could probably see that market share shift and them pretty quickly catch up to cod level sales
One would hope though MS would put a greater marketing touch behind the property than they have with their other titles these last few years
@Bleachedsmiles yes! Sony to buy DICE and partner them up with ND to make Battlefield: Factions
@Sakisa Don't be rude, dude. They gave a response saying based on history and a source to prove that JRPGs overall haven't faired as successful on Xbox as much as on PlayStation and Nintendo. Xbox gamers overall from the very beginning are more interested in FPS and Sci-Fi genre.
Not to say Microsoft never tried, or there isn't a JRPG fanbase on Xbox. Looking at all the wonderful JRPGs on the Xbox 360. Lost Odyssey for a example despite selling decent and reviewing well, there's no interest in Microsoft to revive that franchise since it won't rank in the same big sales as Gears of War or Halo. They really should though, since it was by the FF creator and could easily fill in the void.
FFXV sold "poorly" on Xbox compared to PlayStation, despite having a whole gen of JRPG fanbase built up in the 360 era and the money Microsoft invested for exclusive JRPGs. Gamepass if anything is the saving grace for JRPGs to be on Xbox again since it's versatile and accessible on multiple platforms.
Otherwise, it shouldn't be surprising since if FFXV sold less than a quarter overall on Xbox, Square Enix has no objections to only earning near 80% + PC sales to compensate the lack of an Xbox port when PlayStation and Nintendo have a longer successful history. It does suck for Xbox gamers who got interested JRPGs via Xbox, though.
imagine the outrage xbox players would have if sony hypothetically bought rockstar an offered MS 3years? guarantee it would look like this topic. also surprised how many xbox fans spend time on a ps forum.
@riceNpea imagine if they get this contract secured…even extended, to have cod on their platform all gen. And then it’s announced Sony buys EA…
I keep thinking about this and I don't get it. What does Lying Ryan think he has to gain by saying the time span of the deal out loud?
This deal is going to go through, and now every CoD fan knows there is a 5 year timer on PlayStation support after which now everyone will think the game is certainly going exclusive. Xbox has nothing to lose from this reveal, the players that will hate on Phil for some supposedly "half truth" or "white lie" already hated on him. I cant see this upsetting any fan.
Seriously, spend the next 5 years making your own Call of Duttifield modern war game.
@Bleachedsmiles And in compensation MS get 3, I mean several, years worth of lootboxes in a game of their choice. Make it happen Jim! 😆
@stvevan It would have to be the next 3 iterations of GTA, as it’s not an annual release…which would take them through probably the next 3 generations. Not a bad deal.
Not surprised people can’t discern Xbox fans with just gaming fans here though
@Tharsman it's OK. Everyone will be playing Firestorm VR by then. It'll be bigger than paintballing 😁
@Bleachedsmiles it's 3 generations minimum per GTA so a 3 GTA deal would last until 2055 at least.
Bring out the TLOU multiplayer game, make it free to play or include it with playstation plus extra/premium, riddle it with Microtransactions and give it seasonal battle passes, and finally market the hell out of it.
There you go, rake in the millions
Ok, really. How many people or what percentage of the PS owners will change console for 1 game? Sony has so much more and I have friends very deep in COD but they do play other things too. I would bet that a PS player will move to PC + controller than to buy xbox. Reason? Higher fps, response time, lag, etc...
@WadeIsInsane I feel the rudeness is warranted at this point. I see it all the time on this site "They took THESE games away from PS!"
"Okay, what about these games that were paid exclusives for Sony?"
"Oh, Xbox players don't care about that so Sony did no wrong."
The claims that X failed on Xbox CONSTANTLY with no form of proof, still waiting on that Yakuza proof by the way, the assumption about what an entire playerbase is made up of. Yes, Microsoft tried to go all in with JRPGs in the 360 era and failed, (which is a shame since Lost Odyssey is still one of the genres best) Xbone was a failure too, but with the Series S/X on the upswing, bringing in a larger install base (especially here in NA, Xbox home and the region it is most popular in, which few on here acknowledges when they bring up how great Sony is doing in the UK, AKA, the region they're most popular in.) It's not something that should be written off.
There's nuance to this, and seeing Sony fans gatekeep and say that JRPGs don't need to be on Xbox because the player base 'doesn't care' is not only false, but hypocritical for all those complaining about companies taking away games from other systems.
@riceNpea I’d love to see how Sony would treat EA licences…if something like a Medal of Honor would be made exclusive. Or if games like battlefield would hold parity. How fans on both sides would react and move goalposts.
I do think what a lot are forgetting with these big publisher acquisitions is that nobody forced them to sell …they sold for a reason. And if this deal doesn’t go through it’s going to be interesting to see what happens to some of activision and blizzards studios.
Geez guys they can make a new deal every few years. Besides whenever we get a new COD everyone complains about how it kinda sucks. The second there’s a chance you might not get it forever everyone freaks out. Chill.
@OneWingedAngel
It’s not how much it sells. It’s how much profit does it make?
In todays world with today’s consoles that are basically interchangeable from a development standpoint there’s no real reason not to port your game to every active platform.
That was a decision to make back in the PS2, GC, and Xbox era because all three consoles operated on completely different principles and required extensive work (which is money) and time (also money) to release.
Today there’s no reason not to. Unless someone comes and offers you a ton of money to make it exclusive.
@Sakisa haven’t read through all the comments but from what i’ve read of yours I agree. I would love more JRPGs on Xbox.
Sony cries more than my 10 month old. They should be embarrassed at this point. The amount of exclusive content they get, be it permanent, timed or in-game like Spiderman in Avengers… they really should just let this one go.
Or you know cry until the deal doesn’t go through and then wonder why Xbox has 70 billion big ones to throw at other willing publishers… like Square Enix. Good job Sony clap clap.
@OneWingedAngel
Yeah, anyone into jRPGs are better off even investing in a PC than buying an XBOX at this point. PC leapfrogged XBOX already
If only looking at consoles... PS5.
Tactics Ogre, Trails of Zero and Azure, Monochrome Mobius, Valkyrie Elysium are all skipping Xbox. Dragon Quest X: Offline also skipped it in Japan.
Atelier Ryza and YS VIII are still not on xbox... can you imagine!?
Why risk it?... for COD? No way.
A full priced TLOUP1 (with no MP) + price hike PS5 but Sony wants a "free" deal from a nearly 70 billion dollar MS investement? Totally logical ... Surely they can't believe to get the same profits from COD, right?
@Bleachedsmiles if Sony buy EA they have to promise to buy Konami too and remake Pro Evolution with all the licences. And make Medal of Honor and spell it with a u 😁 . Why hasn't EA returned to Medal of Honor? It was a decent game and must've been profitable surely.
I'm going to bed ...
@OneWingedAngel "Not to mention Japan sales are nonexistence on Xbox."
You mean like how Sony is starting to look compared to Nintendo? Microsoft is irrelevant in Japan and Sony is close by hanging by a nose hair in their own homeland.
@Agramonte don't forget Monark, Fairy tail, Blue reflection, Disgaea 6, Senran kagura, Hyperdimension series, NEO world ends with you, FF7 remake, sakuna of rice and ruin, 13 sentinels aegis rim, genshin impact and Ni No Kuni 1&2
PlayStation is the best place to play for JRPG's, although Nintendo do have some decent ones too like bravely default and xenoblade
@sakisa ps also outsells xbox in more than just UK.
just to point out too if MS believed enough xbox players played jrpg then they would invest in said genre too? but as they arent and stopped on sequels/expanding from 360 days, i would say is proof enough.
not to say there isnt those who own xbox like the genre, just clearly not enough for MS. otherwise they would be buying square enix etc
There are so many terrible posts in this thread.
They're lucky they're getting offered anything at all.
@stvevan At the same time, them highlighting Persona on their big showcase floor and talking about bringing more Japanese games, and specifically more Japanese RPGs to Xbox shows that while they won't make them, they do see enough cause to have them on their systems because there are fans of JRPGs on Xbox.
Well guys build a PC over the next few years or go cheap and get a Xbox if you care for COD and Activision games. Xbox is not playing anymore.
Personally, I am cool with it. I want exclusives to be back I want our console to have a brand identity. If I wanted complete freedom I would've built a PC by now.
@riceNpea No idea, the last one was a VR game…maybe that will come to psvr2 and shine some light on the licence again
@royalblues so why buy one? you knew what was released and upcoming on it?
@Sakisa I personally see more negative views on Sony here despite this being a PlayStation-centric news site. Notice how critical comments get more hearts? lol.
All I can really add is that the consensus with those views you provided is that it'd be better accepted if Microsoft used their funds to build new or revive dormant franchises that originally drew gamers into their ecosystem (like Halo, Gears of War) rather than buy off franchises that built an enormous fanbase on the opposing platform for good.
Square Enix / Sony essentially have that tight bond with FF7 and FF10 bringing a mutual massive success. Making it to where JRPGs definitive home is either PlayStation or Nintendo compared to Xbox. Timed exclusives suck, as much as it "makes sense" for Square Enix to be locked on PlayStation because of that built foundation between the two. This was also why Rise of the TR's timed exclusive on Xbox was more controversial since Tomb Raider's major success outside the PC was PlayStation.
The JRPG fans on Xbox should be more upset with Microsoft for not feeding them more JRPGs rather than Sony. Despite 10+ years of Square Enix delivering on Xbox they haven't matched the same success in sales as you agreed.
Anyway, as for this CoD deal. I'm more of a Killzone fan but am not surprised to see this being a huge deal since CoD mutually sells well overall and historically marked the "definitive" console seller.
They're both as bad as each other. I think they should just kiss.
People do realise that this deal will be renegotiated once it's nearing the end right?
MS can't commit to a 'forever' deal. What if they decide to stop making Call of Duty? Sony would take them to the cleaners if they had a contract that said indefinitely on it. Player numbers of the standard games (Warzone excluded) are already in decline.
Personally I would love the CoD factory split up and put on other projects. Give Halo to Infinity Ward or Treyarch, let Toys for Bob go back to what they do best.
At the end of the day this is all about money for Jim, not us gamers, nothing more. Let's all be honest as well, MS aren't going to suddenly pull one of the most profitable live service games from the largest console install base.
@stvevan "MS believed enough xbox players played jrpg then they would invest in said genre too?"
Isn't it strange that Japanese Sony, the platform king of jrps makes -0 of them? They have thousands of developers all across the globe (aka the West) and they can't put a team of 20 developers in a room and have them make a Jrpg?
How easy and cheap would it be for them to open a small studio with a small team in Japan and have them make something that Japanese players and some of us would like? Yet they don't do that and they won't 🤷
I gotta say...Jim Ryan is probably the worst we could have at Playstation tbh! Also, obviously this is dumb...Microsoft will try to make COD exclusive (as they should, if they have a brain) and Sony can't do anything about it!
@WadeIsInsane I'm not really mad at Xbox for not making more JRPGs, if anything I want them to invest more in the IPs Rare has (which they've been doing, still looking forward to more on Perfect Dark) and get Obsidian making Fallout again. They're getting a lot of the JRPG multiplats, and what isn't on Xbox is more than likely on Switch and I can play it there. Also not mad about Sony moneyhatting Final Fantasy that much. If it were Dragon Quest, the far superior JRPG that was exclusive to Playstation i'd be more mad, but I haven't liked a Final Fantasy game since XII.
What i'm mad about is when people make broad claims about Xbox players as a whole not caring about a very popular game genre, and using it to complain about MS making games exclusive to their ecosystem in one breath, and justifying Sony doing it in the next.
@UltimateOtaku91
Oh wow... I actually thought Xbox had Ninokuni. But yeah it is missing tons.
Switch has a few. But you still end up missing on more games than if you just get a PC or PS5 in the end (3rd party in general -not just jRPGs when it comes to Switch) You really need to be a massive fan of a specific handful of games to be worth it.
@AdamNovice It is a favour of course, would you rather 0 years after the deal expires? Let’s not pretend like Sony wouldn’t be doing this if the roles for reversed and they had that kinda cheese. You don’t spend £69 billion to continue to play ball with your competitors.
I think the three year deal is fair personally.
@Agramonte I'm really only missing Final Fantasy with my Xbox + Switch combo tbh, and considering my low opinion on that franchise for the past decade or so, that ain't much.
@IonMagi ...and? It's called business.
Activision was looking to sell. Microsoft proposed an acceptable number. Activision accepted.
People act as if Microsoft comes in with their Star Destroyers to these developers and threatens to Force Choke people if they don't accept acquisition.
Sucks for PlayStation folks if Microsoft does pull CoD; but Microsoft would be in its right to do so to get an edge over Sony.
On the flip side, having something in writing to Sony about CoD being a lifetime thing to PlayStation could also hold Microsoft accountable for making CoD until the end of time even if it wants to kill the series completely.
Lifetime contracts are a terrible idea. Spider-Man is a great example. Disney literally has to bow to Sony if they want to keep Spider-Man in the MCU.
Pretty sure the figure for Sony to give it up would be astronomical and it would gladly take that money.
Minecraft IP continues to stay multi-platform. So I am sure CoD will too. But, yes, Sony will have to "kiss the ring" to do so.
@BartoxTharglod You hit the truth of the matter. Phil Spencer is a dishonest swindler and Jim Ryan is a petulant child. That’s 100% it. That’s this whole PR fiasco. I’ve liked both brands for a long time, but this “we’re the good guys” approach from Xbox has been suspicious for years and it’s good this came out. PlayStation clearly has no idea how to spin themselves in a positive light though, since they still come off as villains as well. Meanwhile, Nintendo’s enjoying the peace of still selling more consoles than either of them and continuing to have a robust release schedule without any vitriol… at least until we hear Chris Pratt utter “It’s-a-me!”
COD is leaving after PS5. The writing was on the wall since the sh*t became public.
Does anyone really think MS won't pull the carpet from under Sony?
MS obviously didn't like how the PS4 totally dominated the past generation so they do this anti-competition deals to buy publishers because that is the only way they can compete with Sony.
"If I can't beat you in the playground then I'm going to buy the best games so everyone plays with me and not you and declares me winner". That's MS basically: a fat rich boy with no friends x,,D
Personally I frankly don´t care. I have touched COD since World at War. I tried Warzone for like a minute: boom. Dead before I even touched the ground. Then the game tells me I was hacked. HACKED! LOL! The match hadn't even started. Uninstalled. Bonus: Tons of hd space.
Imo the only good COD was the first one and its expansion Allied Offensive.
edit: spelling
@OrtadragoonX FF16 not coming to Xbox isn't because Sony paid SE big money for it to be on PlayStation. It's because SE themselves don't want the game to come to Xbox because they dislike Microsoft and Xbox. SE has a very good relationship with Sony and are in Sony camp.
2 Gaming Divison CEO's trying to make money for thier corperation CEO's. That's all it is really and that's what they care about beyond this discourse.
@Shepherd_Tallon If the deal doesn't go through then Sony will have a massive smile on there faces.
@Snake_V5 You know there's plenty of SE games not only on Xbox, but on gamepass too right?
Hell, it has Octopath Traveller, an SE game not on Playstation. Pretty sure your claim of SE hating Microsoft and Xbox is bunk.
@Sakisa @Snake_V5 Square Enix has a good relationship with whomever gives them money. This is why you get Dragon Quest timed exclusivity on Nintendo platforms, Final Fantasy timed exclusivities on PlayStation, PC timed exclusivity of games on the Epic Games Store and Octopath skips PS in favor of XBox/GamePass.
@Shepherd_Tallon Finally someone says it. Xbox's constant "we're a big family of gamers, let's all hug each other and welcome everyone" and Phil's Mr Nice Guy attitude is so blatantly artificial, they're overdoing it. They have way too much of what PS is lacking at the moment, lol.
@Tharsman That I can agree with, SE are definite fans of whoever is giving them money to make an exclusive or timed exclusive.
As far as I'm concerned the game industry in general is going down the toilet these days so I'm just kicking back and laughing. It's especially hilarious to see people defending Sony, though, like that company has never used 'underhanded' tactics against smaller competition. Stop the bs. Sony bullied others for years and now there's a bigger one on the block. Too bad, so sad.
@riceNpea you forgot about the several musketeers!!!
@Old-Red one of the only few levelheaded comments. You and the dude who said sth similar.
@Sakisa And you don't think Microsoft have tried to offer a ton of money for FF7 Remake and yet it's not come to Xbox still.
@dschons That's the thing - MS have finally overdone the PR offensive but PlayStation aren't bothered with PR anymore it seems.
I often say that I like a quiet PlayStation and a quiet Nintendo, but MS's incessant PR needs to be taken down a peg by someone.
Honestly I think Jim Ryan knows this deal is going through, and he's just buying time for PlayStation to make their own manouvers.
@Snake_V5
Lol alright. If you say so.
@Shepherd_Tallon Agreed. At the end of the day, I just want them to deliver what they do best: Great games. A banger showcase to drop the mic yet again. And the longer they're quiet, the more exciting it might get. It's been a while. Let's hope for a great showcase soon. Btw, I just replayed the Left Behind DLC after all those years and when Ellie picked up that picture with your avatar on it, I laughed out loud. I knew I had seen that avatar before somewhere
@Snake_V5
The deal is going through.
There’s no reason for it to be stopped right now.
@IonMagi you have to be trolling right ? what lol.
@Juanalf There was Legend of Dragoon but that's the only recognizable one that still demands a remake today. 🤷 Currently, their games just have some elements of JRPG now (Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War).
@SacredPYRO perhaps Phil Spencer should've kept his mouth shut about it instead of trying to get some good pr lol
@Sakisa
That is 2X worth of hardware to get there.
If a JRPG fan has money for 2 systems... PlayStation+Switch Is not missing FF and would not need to wait on old PlayStation jRPGs to finally make it on Switch at 2X the price.
I rather play any Final Fantasy from the last decade than COD. FF can be lacking vs some other jRPGs these days... but against a FPS like COD? no way, not in my book.
I think Sony Needs to develop or revamp Its own Looter Shooter. That way COD Fans On Sony can Kinda ease the Pain of eventually Losing Call of Duty. I dont Have a horse in this race, but thats what I suggest Sony do. Develop Its own Modern War Battle Royal. Revisit MAG again!
Its crazy that after buying to publishers the xbox community acts like its ok for xbox to buy the entire industry
Ever since the deal was announced through to the same vague PR "Gaming for all bs",that Phil Spencer prattled about the Zenimax deal, before culling games like Starlink,Ekder Scrolls etc., this was always on the cards.
Note even with all the "COD will remain multiplatform",PR to get the tick from government authorities,we'd hadn't heard a thing about other IP's ala Crash,Spyro,possibly even Diablo IV etc., other than Phil "generously" saying we're not going to pull existing games off the digital stores!
And again Gamer Phil's hypocrisy about 3rd party timed exclusives being worse than Disney like buyouts & permanently excluding 3rd party IP's from other platforms going forward & pushing a rental service is exposed.
The Minecraft PR is getting old Phil,when the reality is you keep paywalling more & more 3rd party IP's that Xbox didn't originate behind XB/PC Gamepass.
Anyone who thinks its great for gaming should remember that whilst Windows 11 insists you need an online account just to login locally on your PC.
It’s all very interesting. You know children are usually the products of their upbringing…if their parents are foul mouthed morons then the kids usually are. It’s easy enough to see.
Jim Ryan here comes across the same way the majority of the PlayStation fanbase comes across online… that whole ‘it’s not fair’ when they don’t get their own way…whilst being selective and hypocritical in remembering sonys past and present business deals.
They also both pretend sony has gamers best interests in mind first and foremost…when they’ve done nothing this generation so far that has suggested they put gamers first.
Where as Phil pretends he wants everyone playing together in some gaming utopia where we’re all holding hands…yet then gets excited over exclusive content and big power moves…echoed by the majority of the Xbox fanbase online.
Funny.
Meanwhile Bowsers just keeping quiet and getting on with it. Nintendos fanbase just keeping quiet and getting on with it.
@Would_you_kindly it's PR bull from both sides. Phil will say anything to get the deal to go through and Jim the opposite. If Jim was really bothered about us PS 'gamers' he would be more bothered about about PS mascots of Crash and Spyro now being Xbox fodder.
I don’t know how game pass makes money (I have game pass for cloud gaming. Play from my phone, It’s alright, but not great for fps imo).
But this just seems like a dumb money making decision. Xbox apparently doesn’t care about selling consoles. They want people to pay a monthly fee. So why cut off a arm of revenue. And a large player base. Use PlayStations money to help fund COD game production idk.
I get exclusives matter. But don’t you want as many people playing COD as possible?
Edit: I know they get money from subscriptions. I don’t know how they make enough to afford this move
I seriously hope Microsoft does not make COD exclusive to Xbox. It cannot and will not survive if they do it. Timed exclusivity sure, maybe. But permanent exclusivity will spell death for COD. They left Minecraft alone for the most part, why all the mind games when it comes to COD?
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Lol. Microsoft trying to prove they are not forming a video game monopoly and all these people screaming buy everything and make it exclusive.
Also, there is a difference between Sony buying smaller studios and Microsoft buying big publishers and their studios.
Also, people saying Sony made many games exclusive but the truth is Microsoft passed up on many of the opportunities, like, Spider-Man for instance. The games only exist because Sony gave them the go ahead.
There is so much disinformation going around.
@OmegaStriver
It is disinformation eagerly pushed by Ms and people are completely brainwashed by the gaslighting. Ms bullying it’s way and literally pointing the finger at Sony for making deals with devs as it’s always been.
You cant make it up. 😅
@OneWingedAngel ah yes not like Playstation wasn't using underhanded tactics like console exclusive content that gave you an advantage, or increased aim assist because the stick mapping on the controller was In a unconventional spot.
@jamescrowx they don't pay for Spider-Man right they own the rights to Spider-Man and insomniac owns the game Ip and sony own insomniac
@Joshy-boy99 I think they own the rights to make Spider-Man movies and games, not owning the IP of Spider-Man. Disney owns Spider-Man.
@mrbone no god of war will never be on xbox it is and will always be exclusive to playstation
@XenonKnight Disney doesn't own Spider-Man sony dose look it up that is why Spider-Man is out of the mcu
So, if you’re keeping score at home:
Marvel/Disney owns the rights to Spider-Man comics and merchandising
Sony and Marvel/Disney currently have a split deal on the Spider-Man film rights
Universal has the rights to Spider-Man in theme parks east of the Mississippi River. Marvel maintains the theme park rights west of the Mississippi.
https://whoownswho.org/who-owns-spiderman/
@Mikey856
True, but irrelevant to my point. Plus, you have to stop thinking about Xbox and start thinking about Gamepass on any device. Which is what they are looking to grow quickly as a dominant platform in gaming.
@dschons Aha! 😂 Good old Winston gets his recognition 😌
It’s fine to make games exclusive. Don’t pretend your Jesus of the gaming industry and keep lying through your teeth. If hypocrisy had a different name that would be Spencer. People already forgot his shameless lies about Bethesda before and then giving the finger after it was done. It’s like big brother rewriting the reality.
Unfortunately the press has been feeding that disinformation because Spencer is worth a huge portion of traffic on the web and they love him.
@alexjs36 you are accusing someone of lying when none of us know the truth.
Final Fantasy 7: Remake was marketed as a “timed exclusive” but that hasn’t made it to Xbox yet.
In my opinion both Square Enix and Sony are ***holes for stringing the Xbox gamers along like that. They also screwed over the PS4 gamers who funded that game by making the DLC exclusive to PS5 and PC.
Denying FF7:R to Xbox was to force people to buy a PS4. Denying DLC to PS4 was to force people to upgrade to PS5 or buy again on PC.
Both of these were scummy practices by Square Enix AND Sony.
I don’t see how FF16 is coming to Xbox if FF7:R hasn’t yet. And I don’t see how it is “lying for someone to assume FF16’s “timed exclusivity” actually isn’t that at all.
Based on previous business practices, it is currently best judgement to see FF16 as a PlayStation exclusive.
Also, I think it is shameful that Square Enix continue to keep Xbox gamers in the dark.
I’m saying this as a multi platform gamer with a preference to Sony. We should be able to set back from our fanboyism and see it from the bigger picture of what is good and bad for the industry.
@get2sammyb "There are so many terrible posts in this thread."
There are several 😊
@Tharsman
What has Jim lied about?
Phil lies most of those two but never gets called out.
@Sakisa I’d suspect a lower than average number of people here care about COD. But that isn’t really the point. There’s no denying CODs importance in the industry. Hell last year it was the #1 AND #2 selling game (Vanguard and BO: Cold War) and apparently that was a bad year for the franchise… that’s how big it is. Not to mention Warzone or COD mobile and the billions each of those bring in.
Point is that CoD is huge whether we like it or not and making it exclusive will affect the console balance significantly. Understandable that Sony are doing anything they can to block, delay or get better concessions on this. Even though Jim Ryan is the guy who threw stones but lives in a glass house.
Good then those console kids can play FPSs where they belong, on PCs. They can't even aim on a console, they bring the cursor near the enemy, start firing and it does the rest. And they win by making weird dances called movement thanks to being able to hit all controller buttons at once. These games should be played properly on PCs. And if Sony is such a big gaming house, they should make a competitor in 3 years.
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Amen brother 😂 / 🤬
Honestly I think many don’t understand the posturing going on, on BOTH sides, to try and get the ABK deal through on Xbox’s side OR to stall, scupper or get better reassurances on Sony’s side. They’re both just playing the game, but sadly both looking pretty foolish and two-faced doing so.
Phil Spencer who I usually like for his honesty is being entirely insincere by claiming there will be less exclusives in future and COD will be on all platforms… he crucially omitted the for only 3 more years part… while simultaneously buying up whole swathes of beloved IP / developers and making them exclusive. Actions matter more than words.
Meanwhile Jim Ryan who has done almost everything possible to keep some big third party titles exclusive or get exclusive content on PS is acting like he’s the aggrieved party. Don’t throw stones man…
@ryanburnsred Because they have spent 69 bill to own the IP? The Minecraft acquisition pales in comparison. COD is too big of a juggernaut, it wouldn’t die lol (it would also be on PC). It’s a system seller and would greatly tip the scales in Xbox’s favour. Plus all titles would be “free”, so GamePass would continue to be the best deal in gaming history.
@Neverwild How about “we believe in generations”, straight after MS announcing their games would also be available on Xbox One for a few years (after Series X released). He knew full well that Horizon and God of War were both releasing on PS5 and PS4 but lied through his teeth for a little clout.
@themightyant You've nailed it there.
Ryan is putting the spotlight firmly on "nice guy" Phil here in full view of the regulators to try get something more agreeable out of him.
It's all statesmanship from both.
Neither of them knows who any of us are either, btw. We don't have to step in front of bullets for them.
I mean, how do people not see what Microsoft is planning down the line? It's blatantly obvious. As if the biggest entertainment industry in the world can be had for cheap and there won't be a MASSIVE price increase or SEVERE cut in quality. What's coming is both.
Shepherd_Tallon wrote:
And yet they've raised an army of delusional acolytes ready to die on this hill for them. Tribalism at it's worst. Been jumping back between here and PX and the number of bad takes is mind boggling.
@Neverwild
Oh hi there.
I’m genuinely curious. What real lies JR actually said? Not the ridiculous type like ‘we believe in generation’ that some people somehow translate in different words in their heads. Like if I say I believe in God they d call me a liar because I’m not a priest. Real lies like Spencer saying he doesn’t want make Bethesda games exclusive or doesn’t want to take away from gamers.
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Im not really following this whole drama, but surely if Microsoft own the ip after the sale goes through, they dont HAVE to put COD on Playstation at all.
I think there is a lot of small print here that Jim isn't sharing - perhaps some conditions attached to the versions of COD titles that would drop on Playstation that would indicate they will be inferior to the xbox release, or would require some form of integration with Xbox Live.
I also think this is as much about Sony calling out Microsoft on their constant vague statements and PR acting like the good guys and that they care about consumers.
Sad thing for me is that rather than the rele tless tug of war over COD, Sony should use the breathing room to create their own competing product. People have said for years COD is getting stale so where will in be in 5 or so years. Ok so Resistance and Killzone wern't the COD killers Sony tried to market them as, and MAG was probably too ambitious for the hardware it released on. So try again with something new and if its good, people will come to play it.
Playstation has CoD until around 2028 including its current deal and the 3 years offered by MS,plenty of time to negotiate further but if CoD went exclusive at the end of the current PS deal no playstation owners would have to jump ship to play CoD,just buy a gamepass streaming stick or get the gamepass app on your TV...MS wants those gamepass subs.
People crying over a yearly game that's marginally different from year to year. Sounds like sports games. Better things out there to play than this garbage.
@teknium_ yeah, but that means a different account on a different platform, meaning you can't play with friends on playstation. Unless it's cross platform.
I gotta say, I do not like Phil Spencer. This "honest" and "he cares about gamers" rhetoric has been grating on me for a long time.
The amount of people he has taken in is crazy. Phil you're a liar and manipulative so and so. I hope this damages him.
@SmoothlyRough CoD is cross platform at the moment can't see that changing going forward...
I would expect the usual contract between Sony and Activision Blizzard is to put Call of Duty games on PlayStation for three years, then after that three years the contract gets looked at again and renewed. What Jim Ryan is scared of is that Microsoft won't renew the contract when the time comes, and he's essentially angling for Microsoft to put in writing that Call of Duty will remain on PlayStation consoles indefinitely. But I guarantee no other contract between a platform holder and third party publisher works that way.
Pull Destiny then. If Phil is going to mince his words behind the scenes from his 'nice guy' act take his favourite game away from him. Do the same thing.
@teknium_ at least for this term they've come too. Who knows what happens in 3 years!
@GADG3Tx87 that's different. In Microsoft's defence, they've left all existing games that they now own on PlayStation; games with pre-existing communities. What you're saying is: pull a pre-existing game that people are already playing and have paid money for from a rival console, which isn't comparable to potentially making future Call of Duty games exclusive.
@Markatron84
Tit-for-tat. If Microsoft want to play sleeze by saying one thing to the public and regulators buy in reality take one of the biggest IP's hostage where the majority of the player base actually is on PlayStation then I'd threaten them with something that is also popular that might tip a player base in your favour.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
It's not like the accounts of people on Xbox for destiny cannot be linked or transferred with all bought content along with it.
@GADG3Tx87 bought expansions/content for Destiny on one platform don't transfer to other platforms. Saves/characters do.
If anyone's taking anything hostage already, it's Sony; demanding contracts and assurances way beyond the typical third party publisher agreement.
What Jim fails to see is that of course MS will keep renewing the COD contract with PlayStation. It's a massive franchise that they'll continue to see revenue from; this is why MS hasn't revoked PlayStation players' access to things like Minecraft, Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout 76, etc, because they'll see a constant revenue stream from them even if it's on a rival platform.
@uptownsoul The last time Microsoft pais to Lock a AAA IP to Xbox for a year was with RotTR in 2015z when u pony boy spent months complaining and crying, the last AAA timed exclusive released was Dead Rising 4 (exclusivity acquired when they paid for the development of DR3), Microsoft has not paid to Lock 3rd party AAA games in 7 years, Sony does It 2 times year with Full exclusives + several as timed exclusives up to 2 years (that they can pay to make Full exclusives)
@Godot25 Xbox and PS both do those practices. It is insane to paint one as a 'bad guy' for doing something the other guy does!
The one thing Jim Ryan hasn't done is buy up massive publishers and restrict their games from touching the other platform. See Activision and Zenimax.
@MaikonCSGarcia
They have paid for lots of timed exclusive.
Yakusa like a dragon was timed for 3 months.
They have also timed exclusive for lots of smaller games.
Even wierder is that they paid for time exclusive with 48 hours notice on a few japanese games, trying to fool people thinking that it would not come to playstation.
@OrtadragoonX It will be stopped, they know PlayStation is the king 😄
Spencer: COD on PS for “several more years”
Ryan: You're only giving us 3 years!
Spencer: As I said...
@Neverwild We are not even mentioning exclusivity on indies/AA or again Sony has way more, Like a Dragon, Phantasy Star are the one AAA games with times exclusivity since 2017, and u really gonna talk about payibg for marketing material? Microsoft cant even mention their own games like Deathloop and Ghostired Tokyo thanks to Sony, and Sony IS the king of marketing exclusivity.
@MaikonCSGarcia
But you said that Xbox hasnt paid for any since 2017 and I gave you example in this year but you still try to defend Xbox and moan about Sony.
It's interesting that one of the biggest defences for Sony is their "organic growth", but MS buying a massive 3rd party franchise is throwing the whole thing in to disarray.
Paying 3rd parties to show more favour for your console isn't organic growth. It's buying your way through the industry.
Sony and MS have been doing the same thing, only Sony was hiding it from you.
Things like this is why I love emulation and not paying for games.
@Richnj
Didnt know Sony has bought a third party publisher, which one was that?
@Neverwild 2K, Squire Enix, Konami, Capcom, Activision, EA.
They've all been "bought" by Sony in one form or another.
They don't offer exclusive marketing and content for the sh*ts and giggles.
It seems to me that so many people are just making massive assumptions about things they probably don't (or don't wish to) understand.
Firstly, MicroSoft are agreeing to having CoD on the PlayStation for 5 years, not 3. The 3 years bit comes into effect once the 2 year deal already in existence expires. Secondly, they are not saying that once that 3 years is up, that's it; it's no longer going to be on PlayStation, they simply aren't specifying what is going to happen.
5 years time is 2027. At that point we will be 7 years into this current generation. It's quite possible that we will then be looking at getting our next generation consoles. MicroSoft having the opportunity to having CoD fully exclusive to their platform may well make it look a more enticing prospect to potential purchasers, so it makes sense that they at least leave the door open to an end date for CoD being released on the PlayStation. That's not to say that that is what will be happening, but from a business perspective, it certainly makes sense. And then there is the fact that we simply don't know the future of CoD; if it continues in the vein of Vanguard, will it even exist in 6 years time? If it doesn't, MicroSoft can hardly promise to bring something to PlayStation that they don't intent to make.
Lastly, let's get down to basics here; MicroSoft are buying AB outright. They will own the company outright. It therefore stands to reason that they should have the right to determine what happens with the games they develop. Imagine buying a house, for example, and agreeing that the current occupants and continue to live in the house, with you, for the next 5 years. It's not usual practice, and so perhaps a little perspective is due. We may not like it on the Blue Team, but if the tables were turned and it was Sony buying AB, we would very likely view this completely differently. We would be cheering Sony on. Here, on this forum, we are viewing it through blue lensed glasses, rather than stepping back and viewing the matter in an unbiased manner. That is understandable, so long as we accept that that is what we are doing.
Ultimately, even once this deal goes through, Xbox will still only be the third biggest gaming company behind Sony and Tencent. This deal will see Sony facing real competition for the first time in years. It's Sony's complacency, born of being the dominant force in the market for years, that has seen it doing things such as raise the price of games, charging for upgrades etc. And it is Xbox fighting back with the likes of Game Pass, that has forced Sony to introduce their version (let's not kid ourselves that we would have received that otherwise). Ultimately, competition is good for us all, and we should embrace it...
@Neverwild It was in 2021 my guy and to be clear It was a next-gen timed exclusive. It still released for the PS4 the same as Xbox in the west.
They started doing It again this gen but still only 2 games in 5 years, 3 in 7 and excluding Phantasy Star (where they are in a partnership with Sega to publish It everything else was 3 to 6 months of exclusivity.
U r saying that they do the same while forgetting that Sony has locked former 3rd party AAA games as Full exclusives usually 2 per year + indies (that they do more than Microsoft) + Plus marketing deals (that they do more and with bigger IP's).
Comparing what Sony does with what Microsoft does and comparing Sony buying Bungie with Microsoft acquiring Bethesda/Activision.
Came to the comments to see the regular Pushsquare console war shills, leaving satisfied
@Richnj
So you mean Sony owns all them?
So Microsoft are buying Activision-Blizzard from Sony?
I know you hate Sony but trying to compare exclusive deal with some that even Xbox has done is same as buying a third party publisher.
@Neverwild "So Microsoft are buying Activision-Blizzard from Sony?"
In a sense, yes. Why do you think they are so upset about this?
"I know you hate Sony"
You are assuming I hate Sony. I'm just not in love with them. There's a difference.
Lot of posturing for nothing. The deal is going to go through. Sony likely wouldn't want to have to go to court and go through all the deals they've had in place preventing other games from hitting rival platforms, hear from Bethesda how they were trying to do it with Starfield before the Microsoft deal or about how they're currently keeping Xbox owned games off Xbox through deals they signed. The argument they'd try to make is COD is so important they're be crippled without it. Hard to make that claim when Nintendo exists without COD. Even harder when Microsoft saying don't worry you can have it still and have Minecraft to point to as an example. There was no agreement signed there so even offering that is unheard of. Sony just knows what COD in Game Pass means to them and is desperate for it not to happen.
Only a fool would trust and believe Microsoft to keep one of the world's biggest gaming ip on a console.
It's why Sony been so aggressively against the acquisition as once it's Xbox exclusive the FPS market entirely belongs to Microsoft with COD and ID games.
Don't no how much liquid they have left to spend in acquisitions but I'd just be spiteful and take what microsoft can't,the Japanese pubs. Namco and capcom, keep fighting games off Xbox. It's nasty for everyone but Microsoft have made it this way. If theyve not basically bought square already also then theyre fools
@Richnj
No I know you hate Sony cause seeing your posts.
So Sony will get 69 billion from Microsoft.
@Neverwild You should see my posts on Nintendolife and Purexbox... You seeing my criticisms of a company as fanboyism is your problem, not mine.
"So Sony will get 69 billion from Microsoft"
if they did, would that make this situation OK in your opinion?
Time for Sony to buy Rockstar and pull all of their games from Microsoft.
I have never had a bad word to say about Jim Ryan He is GOD Ok I have said I don't like him much but I'd rather back him than Phil Spencer who is just out to destroy gaming :-/
@uptownsoul And none of them can be called AAA some in fact only finished/will finish the development because Microsoft financed part of the development, and as already said if we include those in the Gap of third-party exclusives among Microsoft and Sony Will only get larger.
@Richnj
I have seen you post on purexbox.
But you keep telling that Sony owns alot of publisher which isnt true.
I hope Sony never buys a publisher cause thats wrong for gamers.
@Royalblues neither company plays nice why should sony
@uptownsoul 1 h Did not use It as a excuse Just pointing out a fact, but it also applies to Microsoft and DR3/4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider as well as Sony and SF5. Just Said that they still indies/AA
2 - The games still dont have size and budget to be called a AAA, dont matter what u want to say. And that IS something that most PlayStation and Xbox users Will say, when they r not trying to battle in the "console Wars". Sony pays more AAA, AA and Indie studios to have exclusivity than Microsoft. Did u forget the ridiculous fact that Microsoft can't even mention two of its IP's 'cause Sony has a exclusivity deal signed before the acquisition of Bethesda, that something that Microsoft dont do cause to them It would costa a Lot more than tô Sony do It.
Sounds like Microsoft grudgingly offered three years. It's clear that they want to keep the game exclusive but they're worried that their deal won't go through, so they need to make cheap little deals like this just to make sure they are able to finalize the purchase.
@Legacy2K you should take a step back and see the reason why COD is the juggernaut it is, it didn't get that way being exclusive to one platform. By the time Microsoft bought Mojang, Minecraft was already pretty huge across multiple platforms. The amount they spent is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. I don't play COD but even I can see how much of a bad idea it would be to make it exclusive to Xbox. And no, Gamepass will certainly not keep it afloat. Not at the numbers the series has been used to over the years. Thinking otherwise is just wishful thinking for the console wars.
Also I don't have a horse in this race. The only Xbox I own is an Xbox 360. I game on PC and Playstation and I can see how awful these mind games Microsoft are playing are.
Is Jim seriously complaining that a 3 year contract for their main competitor to still supply a flagship game beyond the current contract, even though they'll own the product, which should carry them mostly through the current generation, is inadequate, in the same sentence about boasting that they've paid Activision to favor their company with the same product for 20 years?!
Did Jim ever even consider that the contract may have expired even if Activision remained independent? Or did he just expect that Activision was dependent on his bribe money until the end of time? And if the way he's doing business is to expect other businesses to be dependent on bribe money to the point that his company gains a permanent paid advantage over competition......why exactly is he moaning that their competitor is buying companies to gain said advantages?
Did it never occur to Jim that CoD might not even remain a paid game and could go all into the F2P warzone route making such contracts moot?
This drama is bizarre. Sony started this exclusivity war, of piecing contracts with key content to affect the entire market position of their platform without having to commit financing to buy entire brands. Having their cake and eating it, too, pay minimal for strategic content that swings the entire market rather than a full outlay. Now that they have a key franchise that they've paid to benefit from for ages that someone outbids them on for full ownership, now they have a problem with such things?
It doesn't matter if you like the merger or not, Jim just looks even more pathetic than usual here, the innocent angel act from Sony of all companies is looking ridiculous at this point and they're laying it on way too thick. Maybe if Jim and his predecessors were more interested in increasing their platform's value rather than raising prices and throwing money to every other publisher under the sun to buy favoritism to merely hurt competitors rather than actually benefit the value of their platform, they might not need to go begging government and public sympathy to halt their competitor from out-competing them, by force.
It reminds me of when Nintendo and Howard Lincoln tried to use US congress as a weapon against Sega and Sony by bathing themselves in a light of wholesomeness against the evil vices of their competitors.
@Neverwild Not once have I said Sony owns a lot of publishers.
"I hope Sony never buys a publisher cause thats wrong for gamers."
and I'm sure you've always been up in arms when Sony bought anybody who made even 1 game that released on another platform, or threw cash at another company to block the release of content on another platform.
@uptownsoul Both are wrong but these games are not AA and u Will seen when they release, and as i have already Said my argument IS not that Microsoft IS Innocenti and Sony a villain.
But to say that "both do the same" is a lie, that as much true as saying that Sony buy studios Just like Microsoft, not on the same level.
@Richnj
Do you kniw differrent between publisher and studio?
Sony has never bought a publisher only studios and most of them has already been exclusive with Sony.
Buying 2 big publisher and lots of other studios like Microsoft is doing is big differrent with was Sony has bought.
Even a blind chicken can see that.
@Kienda halo infinite was marketed as having splitscreen co op & now it won't so Microsoft are ***holes for stringing along their own players lol
@Bazium go to pure Xbox & check out the Phil Spencer is the gaming Messiah crowd lol
Keep crying, Ryan. He deserves to be fired. Sorry excuse for an executive and damaging to the brand.
@get2sammyb To me MAG felt like that game that could. But sony abandoned it.
Why don’t Sony invest in their own military shooters.
Buy out the 6 Days in Fallujah team, bring back SOCOM (especially for VR) or create some completely new IP, instead of crying about it.
They pay other teams to delay releases to Xbox or have exclusive content so can’t really moan about the other side doing the same.
I’d love to see what they could do with the Rainbow Six franchise if they ever got it.
(I’m still bitter about them disbanding the Driveclub team when it could’ve become one of their best racing franchises)
@Would_you_kindly 100% - 343i are a joke and Microsoft shouldn’t have let that happen.
By the way, just because I called out what I see as a scummy practice from Square Enix and Sony doesn’t mean I favour others.
The Final Fantasy series is my favourite in gaming. And that’s why I call these things out. I love their games and want them to go to everyone. So I will say when Square Enix and Sony, the two companies that introduced me to my favourite game, are the ones that let me down.
@pukana "They pay other teams to delay releases to Xbox or have exclusive content so can’t really moan about the other side doing the same."
Not even remotely the same. COD is the biggest franchise in the world. Nothing comes close. Apples to oranges.
Wow 400+ comments. Never knew that Pushsquare has so many fans! Great job guys
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Is there a point to this "news"? What exactly did he dislike?
@Sakisa I don't give a rat's ass about CoD!
@tallythwack Don't remember them ever making a shooter.
@Exerion76 like they have with destiny 🙄
@MaikonCSGarcia when Sony made those deals ms didn't own bethesda ,have you seen all the timed exclusive crap ms pays for on gamepass,granted their indies mainly ,but where Sony as a few deals a year microsoft makes dozens of gamepass filler deals ,to make gamepass more tempting than it actually is,its 95 percent crap
Hey that's on Microsoft. They've already started they would be leaving money on the table if they made it exclusive. Now I guess in 3 years, that's what they're gonna do. You'll never make your money back by cutting out a competitor that sells more consoles than you. So now you cut your sells in half. Plus just because it's exclusive means nothing. Not EVERY Xbox owner plays C.O.D. So then your cutting that exclusitivity in half yet again. I guess you could still make your money back. But shooting yourself in the foot doesnt sound bright to me.
@uptownsoul Fair, but i still not convinced about It, wait and see, but lets say u have a point, Microsoft has 4 AAA timed in 5 years, How many did Sony? These are not comparable numbers.
The same goes for studios acquired, Sony bought ~8 in 4 years, how many did Microsoft bought? Not comparable, it's not because they both do something that means they have the same weight, frequency, scale.
@tallythwack Yeah, i did, did u see How many where AAA? And even tried to count how many they made and how many Sony made? I'm not saying that Microsoft doesn't just do it less than Sony, if you want to ignore scale and number
of exclusivity, u should do the same for scale and numbers of acquisition.
Sony does more and bigger exclusives, Microsoft does more And bigger acquisition, bought are nada, but u Just Care when Microsoft does.
I don't care about Call of Duty, so this is meaningless to me.
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