@get2sammyb that is true and ultimately Sony is just another company, it doesn't matter to me where I play something, still I can't help but wonder what the selling point of a PS6 is gonna be. Who knows how much it's even gonna cost. The only thing I can think of is the library on the platform carrying over. Even then what reason would a PS5 owner have to switch to PS6 considering the long cross gen period.
I can't lie, I still don't see the point of upgrading to a PS5. I still have far too big of a library backlog to care about new releases anyway and there isn't a single game that is only available on PS5 that I would call a must play for me to just run out and get it. Add the fact that apparently PS6 is launching in 2027, might as well wait till then.
Make a game with fighting robots with a bow or whatever nothing wrong with that but show a promotional image from the motram to anyone and they will think that it's an image from Horizon. That's a blatant copy not a genre convention. Like look at the shots attached, would anyone question it if someone told them that they were all from Horizon.
Ngl it would be so hilarious if it underperforms then too. SE really needs a reality check on their expectations in general. Imo they are the worst in this regards.
Yeah I am not expecting it to be low tbh. Welp I hope all this tariff nonsense is a thing of the past by the time ps6 launches. We are treading weird uncharted territories anyway in a lot of ways. Like what even is gonna be value prospect for that console for people with a ps5. There are no exclusives anymore so no point there and since the cross gen period is like 5 years now, it's hard to get excited there as well.
@Dalamar totally understandable and I agree it's a great deal. The problem is we never think long term and why should we. This same thing happens with everything in tech it seems like, the esshittification. They give a great deal and when they have a ton of people on board they start shoveling the *****. I hope it never happns to gaming though it already is in various ways.
@Ricky-Spanish and why exactly do they owe a balanced look at it to anyone, even though I don't even think they are bashing it? It's their site, they don't like this model, so they can publish whatever they want. An article might have an opinion or it might not. Nothing wrong either way. 🤷✌️
I agree with the price being too high, especially at this point in the generation but in this scenario I put this on the game itself. Honestly it's kinda ridiculous to say that that's causing slow sales of a particular game when plenty of other games sell well. Also its kinda stupid to single out sony when the prices of everything gaming related has gone up. Nintendo, sony, microsoft and every publisher is to blame. Why didn't capcom launch the game at 60 if he is so worried about the total price of admission being high. Gaming right now sucks price wise, across the board.
I was just wondering when they were gonna announce something. Still already 10 years. It feels like yesterday when he walked down the light stairs at E3.
Hard agree. The prices are so ridiculous 5 years into the cycle that it feels pointless to even think about the next gen. I just don't see these prices going down for atleast a few more years and launching a ps6 with a decent price is impossible to me. Plus with the longer and longer cross gen period there would be no point in buying a hypothetical ps6 at launch anyway. We are in uncharted territory here. Sony gotta be smart how they approach the next gen.
@11001100110zero nobody was forcing micro transactions in the beginning and yet here we are. What a stupid take. It's a start. Everything begins somewhere. The problem with GP is not the forcing of the Devs. It's the expectation it creates for the players.
I don't care what sony does in relation to xbox but I genuinely don't see the point of a closed ps6 anymore.
On one hand sony is putting everything everywhere, on the other hand they seem to want to extend the cross generation period, add to the fact that they are struggling to put out of the games that made them special to begin with.
Say the ps6 launches in 2027. In the current climate what incentive do people have to buy it? PS5 owners know that there will be a long cross gen period. Pc players know that all the games are gonna release there anyway. Who even cares about xbox anymore since they will be going the pc route anyway. Again what's the incentive?
At this point sony seems to stumbling in the dark. They are just throwing stuff at the wall. Maybe it's due to failure of Concord and probably the coming failures of others. They are struggling to release new first party games like the ones that made them popular all the while giving less and less reasons to buy the next console. What is the plan? Would be quite funny for all you people saying how the live service push won't affect anything if it ends up being the reason for PlayStation's death.
@Orpheus79V yeah that's the only scenario that makes sense because assuming the ps6 launches for like 500, it's just impossible to me that the PS5 pro will drop from 700 to like 350 from now to 2027.
@Oram77 makes no difference to what I said. Sony isn't gonna launch the ps6 in an environment where its cheaper than the PS5 pro at that time and if the ps6 launches in 27 then that means either the pro will be discontinued or somehow will get discounted a ton. What sense would it make to sell a PS5 pro if the ps6 is like 50 dollars more expensive?
So are they gonna drop the price of pro when it launches or maybe they will discontinue it entirely because no way is anything ps6 is gonna be less expensive than anything PS5.
@LazyDaisy yeah but then I can make the argument against limiting the potential sales in that first release by releasing for a wider audience. That was my point. Why bother with consoles? Why even stay in this closed ecosystem? Just make a pc with a very well optimized front end to increase convenience and a good translation layer to effectively play all the games in the world.
@get2sammyb yeah PC I can understand but why bother with Xbox. Just how much do they expect to sell there. Though I guess if Xbox is also quitting then what's the difference between releasing on PC and Xbox anyway. Still that's the publisher and pc box path is what Sony is walking whether they outright say it or not.
Why even bother with consoles at that point? The only thing could be convenience but I can easily see a steam os box becoming that convenient option. In the future obviously not now. Why bother with a somewhat closed system? If sony really wants to release a new console one day then just release a pc box as well while on the software side they should just become a publisher.
I've been following this for so long. So glad it's finally making the console jump. I miss those single player tactical fps' of old so much. Everything nowadays has been simplified and/or become multiplayer focused in Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon,etc unfortunately.
@MFTWrecks yeah that's my point. Concord failed because it was ass. A lot of the failure of these gamepass games can be attributed to the gamepass itself not the quality of the game.
@MFTWrecks your example is terrible. They released a game it failed and cost sony millions so it was shut. The end. What critical or commercial failure is the cause of the MS shut downs?
Just how far can you even push the graphics in games at this point. Just try to come up with ways to make efficient pipelines for production. I know it's obvious but gimme games, games and more games.
@themightyant this is the thing though. I just don't see how they can reduce the price of PS5 pro that much. They just aren't willing to make any losses in the pro. Either they are selling pro for a small profit, in which case they can't possibly reduce the price that much in 2 years with the way the market is or they are making a huge profit on them, in which case that's just sad more than anything. Maybe they will discontinue the PS5 pro a few months before launch so there is no comparison left.
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Re: Sony Poised to Publish PS5 Hit Death Stranding 2 on PC
@get2sammyb that is true and ultimately Sony is just another company, it doesn't matter to me where I play something, still I can't help but wonder what the selling point of a PS6 is gonna be. Who knows how much it's even gonna cost. The only thing I can think of is the library on the platform carrying over. Even then what reason would a PS5 owner have to switch to PS6 considering the long cross gen period.
Re: Now Devs Are Politely Asking Their PS4 Players to Upgrade to PS5
I can't lie, I still don't see the point of upgrading to a PS5. I still have far too big of a library backlog to care about new releases anyway and there isn't a single game that is only available on PS5 that I would call a must play for me to just run out and get it. Add the fact that apparently PS6 is launching in 2027, might as well wait till then.
Re: Halo: Combat Evolved Remake Could Be the Final Frontier for Xbox on PS5
I wish they would just release the MCC games. I would be fine if they do it as separate games and not as a collection but still.
Re: This Unreal GTA-Inspired Anime Open World Lifts Influences from Spider-Man, Power Slap, and More
The moment that word "gacha" drops in the descriptions it completely kills any interest I had in these games. What a shame.
Re: Here's Your First Look at PlayStation's Next Big Thing, Hideo Kojima's PHYSINT
It's not explicitly mentioned but I am guessing that KojiPro are gonna continue using the Decima engine.
Re: 'Sony Seeks an Impermissible Monopoly on Genre Conventions': Tencent Fires Back Over Horizon Rip-Off
Make a game with fighting robots with a bow or whatever nothing wrong with that but show a promotional image from the motram to anyone and they will think that it's an image from Horizon. That's a blatant copy not a genre convention. Like look at the shots attached, would anyone question it if someone told them that they were all from Horizon.
Re: Rumour: Assassin's Creed 4 Remake Makes Big Changes, Drops Modern Day Story and Adds RPG Elements
Welp there goes my interest in this.
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Remake Trilogy's Conclusion Will Not Be PS5 Exclusive
Ngl it would be so hilarious if it underperforms then too. SE really needs a reality check on their expectations in general. Imo they are the worst in this regards.
Re: Rumour: PS6 Will Have a Detachable Disc Drive, Much Simpler Design
Yeah I am not expecting it to be low tbh. Welp I hope all this tariff nonsense is a thing of the past by the time ps6 launches. We are treading weird uncharted territories anyway in a lot of ways. Like what even is gonna be value prospect for that console for people with a ps5. There are no exclusives anymore so no point there and since the cross gen period is like 5 years now, it's hard to get excited there as well.
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Ricky-Spanish I did. You said they were beating a dead a horse and were peacing out and yet here you are, with half of the comments on this post. 🤷✌️
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Dalamar totally understandable and I agree it's a great deal. The problem is we never think long term and why should we. This same thing happens with everything in tech it seems like, the esshittification. They give a great deal and when they have a ton of people on board they start shoveling the *****. I hope it never happns to gaming though it already is in various ways.
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Ricky-Spanish yeah exactly so what is your problem with the article again? ✌️
Re: 'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass
@Ricky-Spanish and why exactly do they owe a balanced look at it to anyone, even though I don't even think they are bashing it? It's their site, they don't like this model, so they can publish whatever they want. An article might have an opinion or it might not. Nothing wrong either way. 🤷✌️
Re: Poll: Are You Sold on 007 First Light?
@FantasyExplor3r88 really? Imo Scavenging for clues and playing as a spy also counts as gameplay, it's not just shooting you know 🤷.
Re: Poll: Are You Sold on 007 First Light?
There were some hiccups like the framerate and that God aweful motion blur but the concept looks amazing icl.
Re: Game of Thrones Star Announced as Lara Croft for Amazon's Tomb Raider TV Show
When will studios cast actors that actually feel like the characters. I don't have much hope icl. Nothing against her as an actor obviously.
Re: Rumour: To Avoid Even More PS5 Price Increases, Digital Edition to Get Reduced SSD Space
And people still think that a hypothetical 2027 ps6 is gonna be priced around the PS5 🤣
Re: PS5's High Price Becoming a Serious Headache for Publishers
I agree with the price being too high, especially at this point in the generation but in this scenario I put this on the game itself. Honestly it's kinda ridiculous to say that that's causing slow sales of a particular game when plenty of other games sell well. Also its kinda stupid to single out sony when the prices of everything gaming related has gone up. Nintendo, sony, microsoft and every publisher is to blame. Why didn't capcom launch the game at 60 if he is so worried about the total price of admission being high. Gaming right now sucks price wise, across the board.
Re: Physint, OD Are Potential Reveals at Kojima Productions 10th Anniversary Show
I was just wondering when they were gonna announce something. Still already 10 years. It feels like yesterday when he walked down the light stairs at E3.
Re: Rumour: PS6 Handheld Device Can Be Docked Like Nintendo Switch 2
Well yeah. Practically all handhelds released nowadays can be docked. Not allowing for it to be docked would be stupid. Even a phone can be "docked".
Re: 'There's No Real Need for a PS6': Industry Veteran Weighs in on Next-Gen Debate
Hard agree. The prices are so ridiculous 5 years into the cycle that it feels pointless to even think about the next gen. I just don't see these prices going down for atleast a few more years and launching a ps6 with a decent price is impossible to me. Plus with the longer and longer cross gen period there would be no point in buying a hypothetical ps6 at launch anyway. We are in uncharted territory here. Sony gotta be smart how they approach the next gen.
Re: Shinobi: Art of Vengeance (PS5) - A Gorgeous, Triumphant Return for SEGA's Ninja Series
@Quintumply I gotta ask, this vs Ninja Gaiden Ragebound, which do you prefer? I am so happy that they are both back in 2d form.
Re: Xbox Game Pass May Make Devs 'Wage Slaves', Says Ex-PlayStation Exec
@11001100110zero nobody was forcing micro transactions in the beginning and yet here we are. What a stupid take. It's a start. Everything begins somewhere. The problem with GP is not the forcing of the Devs. It's the expectation it creates for the players.
Re: Hideo Kojima Alone Is Currently Working on PlayStation Exclusive Physint
@TBubs311 sometimes studios, especially with established reputations use these announcements to attract talent.
Re: A Quote from a Sony Exec Is Causing a Hubbub Among PS5 Fans Again
I don't care what sony does in relation to xbox but I genuinely don't see the point of a closed ps6 anymore.
On one hand sony is putting everything everywhere, on the other hand they seem to want to extend the cross generation period, add to the fact that they are struggling to put out of the games that made them special to begin with.
Say the ps6 launches in 2027. In the current climate what incentive do people have to buy it? PS5 owners know that there will be a long cross gen period. Pc players know that all the games are gonna release there anyway. Who even cares about xbox anymore since they will be going the pc route anyway. Again what's the incentive?
Re: PlayStation the Driving Force Behind Xbox's Helldivers 2 Port
At this point sony seems to stumbling in the dark. They are just throwing stuff at the wall. Maybe it's due to failure of Concord and probably the coming failures of others. They are struggling to release new first party games like the ones that made them popular all the while giving less and less reasons to buy the next console. What is the plan? Would be quite funny for all you people saying how the live service push won't affect anything if it ends up being the reason for PlayStation's death.
Re: First-Person Action RPG Fatekeeper Looks Absolutely Fantastic, But There's No Mention of PS5 Yet
It's made by 10 people. Makes sense to focus on one platform then go from there. Hopefully it's good and releases everywhere.
Re: Innocuous Days Gone Tweet Attracts Xbox Fans Like Flies to Slaughtered Freakers
Tf does xbox coded means 🤣. I understand port begging but that was hilarious.
Re: Rumour: Leaked PS6 Specs Reveal Affordable, Power Efficient Next-Gen Console
@Orpheus79V yeah that's the only scenario that makes sense because assuming the ps6 launches for like 500, it's just impossible to me that the PS5 pro will drop from 700 to like 350 from now to 2027.
Re: Rumour: Leaked PS6 Specs Reveal Affordable, Power Efficient Next-Gen Console
@Oram77 makes no difference to what I said. Sony isn't gonna launch the ps6 in an environment where its cheaper than the PS5 pro at that time and if the ps6 launches in 27 then that means either the pro will be discontinued or somehow will get discounted a ton. What sense would it make to sell a PS5 pro if the ps6 is like 50 dollars more expensive?
Re: Rumour: Leaked PS6 Specs Reveal Affordable, Power Efficient Next-Gen Console
So are they gonna drop the price of pro when it launches or maybe they will discontinue it entirely because no way is anything ps6 is gonna be less expensive than anything PS5.
Re: 'We're Really Building It Out as a Platform': EA Going 'All In' on Battlefield 6
Man I am sick of all these so called platforms.
Re: Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Copycat Coming to PS5
Wait didn't they posted it's trailer on the official channel 🤣🤣
Re: Sony Job Listing Implies More PS5 Exclusives Will Be Ported to Xbox, Nintendo
@LazyDaisy yeah but then I can make the argument against limiting the potential sales in that first release by releasing for a wider audience. That was my point. Why bother with consoles? Why even stay in this closed ecosystem? Just make a pc with a very well optimized front end to increase convenience and a good translation layer to effectively play all the games in the world.
Re: Sony Job Listing Implies More PS5 Exclusives Will Be Ported to Xbox, Nintendo
@get2sammyb yeah PC I can understand but why bother with Xbox. Just how much do they expect to sell there. Though I guess if Xbox is also quitting then what's the difference between releasing on PC and Xbox anyway. Still that's the publisher and pc box path is what Sony is walking whether they outright say it or not.
Re: Sony Job Listing Implies More PS5 Exclusives Will Be Ported to Xbox, Nintendo
Why even bother with consoles at that point? The only thing could be convenience but I can easily see a steam os box becoming that convenient option. In the future obviously not now. Why bother with a somewhat closed system? If sony really wants to release a new console one day then just release a pc box as well while on the software side they should just become a publisher.
Re: Hardcore FPS Ready or Not Is Proving Popular on Consoles, 1 Million Copies Sold
@Frmknst you are just straight up wrong. It is a single player game as well. Like the old school Swat and Rainbow Six games.
Re: Rumour: Oblivion Remastered, Metal Gear Solid Delta Dev Hit with Hundreds of Layoffs
Ah I see so because the management and executives didn't negotiate properly Devs are getting fired.....again.
Re: Helldivers 2 Xbox Announcement Prompts Avalanche of Spider-Man Port Begging
If it does happen then genuinely what's the point of a ps6 or something. Sony might as well go the Xbox route of a pc box for the next gen.
Re: Interview: Out Today, Ready or Not Is the Modern, Relentless Rainbow Six: Vegas for PS5
I've been following this for so long. So glad it's finally making the console jump. I miss those single player tactical fps' of old so much. Everything nowadays has been simplified and/or become multiplayer focused in Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon,etc unfortunately.
Re: 'I Much Prefer PS Plus' Lifecycle Management Strategy': Devs Weigh in on Crippling Xbox Game Pass Impact
@MFTWrecks yeah that's my point. Concord failed because it was ass. A lot of the failure of these gamepass games can be attributed to the gamepass itself not the quality of the game.
Re: 'I Much Prefer PS Plus' Lifecycle Management Strategy': Devs Weigh in on Crippling Xbox Game Pass Impact
@MFTWrecks your example is terrible. They released a game it failed and cost sony millions so it was shut. The end. What critical or commercial failure is the cause of the MS shut downs?
Re: Here's Your Best Look Yet at PS5 Shooter Pragmata's Unique Gunplay Gimmick
Now bring back Deep down 👀
Re: Overlooked Action RPG Granblue Fantasy: Relink Just Topped a Solid 2 Million Sales
Good to see. I've been thinking of getting this one. I just hope we hear something about project awakening soon too.
Re: PS6 Still Years Away Despite Increase in Next-Gen Chatter
I hope it's slated for 28 or even 29 internally.
Re: Rumour: Realistic, First-Person Ghost Recon Game Is Ticking Along, Targeting 2026 Release
@zhoont they are going back to the very roots of Ghost recon.
Re: PS6 to 'Push the Boundaries' of Graphics, Doubles Down on Machine Learning
Just how far can you even push the graphics in games at this point. Just try to come up with ways to make efficient pipelines for production. I know it's obvious but gimme games, games and more games.
Re: 'We're Not Looking to Put First-Party Games in PS Plus Day and Date': Sony Rejects Xbox Game Pass Model
Yeah makes sense. There is only so much growth in the Xbox model plus it devalues the titles.
Re: MindsEye Dev to Begin Layoff Process After Dire Launch, Says Report
Tbh starting out with 300 employees in a studio with no titles released is not a good idea. It's always better to start smaller.
Re: The Next Xbox Is a PC, So What Does That Mean for PS6?
@themightyant this is the thing though. I just don't see how they can reduce the price of PS5 pro that much. They just aren't willing to make any losses in the pro. Either they are selling pro for a small profit, in which case they can't possibly reduce the price that much in 2 years with the way the market is or they are making a huge profit on them, in which case that's just sad more than anything. Maybe they will discontinue the PS5 pro a few months before launch so there is no comparison left.