@get2sammyb I agree, aiming with head is going to be a problem, so is walking into move. VR is going to have to make compromises or we will be getting neck strain and banging our skins on furniture. Who wants to stand up playing games anyway.
I think most VR games should use left joystick for movement and right joystick for gun aim. You should be able to look around 360 degrees independently of that with your head.
To walk you would be driving yourself around as if on wheels with the L joystick, while aiming gun with the R joystick. Your head would be freely looking around giving you the VR immersion. That would be the ideal solution for me.
@banacheck Yes the fisty punchy melee stuff with naff animation looks extremely repetitive which is what you get when a film franchise is padded out due to lack of unique gameplay inspiration. We will find out the truth in the reviews.
This game is a Just Cause clone, made by the Just Cause dev, because a film franchise hired them due to it having similar vehicle combat to the Mad Max films. Film franchises never translate to games very well, unless you have a game that is already similar to the film.
Example, if they made an Indiana Jones game it would be crap, but Uncharted and Tomb Raider are excellent. If Naughty Dog were hired to produce an Indiana Jones movie using the Uncharted game engine it would probably be a great game. But Naughty Dog are not for hire because they follow their own creative instincts.
Mad Max may be a good game, it may not. We will see. The only certainty here is that I will definitely be buying the real deal in the form of Just Cause 3.
I've got problem. This was a great game on PS3. I played it free on PSN Plus. I'm sure it looks great on PS4 but the excellent gameplay was puzzle based, so once those puzzles are solved how can you play it again as a remaster on PS4. It brings nothing new to the experience. The graphics on PS3 version were great with zero screen tear due to it having no combat so not much gain there either.
If you have not played it, definitely buy it. You have everything to gain in that situation.
As expected there is a heavy Just Cause influence but a surprising Far Cry influence as well. Just Cause and Far Cry share the same basic theme, where you're a revolutionary causing mayhem like a terrorist to gradually bring down a country by capturing key installations.
It's a versatile structure that always works well if done right and Mad Max is using a similar theme but probably battling against rival gangs rather than a government dictator. It's borrowing from the best so all is good there, but what does it bring to the table to make it individual.
As far as I can see it's naff fisty punchy stuff that looks extremely tedious with awful animation. Uncharted is the master of smooth fluid melee and how to blend it seamlessly with gunplay. I'm a little underwhelmed. I hope Just Cause 3 is the real deal.
It amazes me how many people are making comments that they cannot see any improvement in the frame rate. They are either blind, have very short memories or just xbot trolls.
I suggest they delete the game and all updates, then play the game from scratch with the internet turned off. Then turn the internet on and load all the updates. The difference is huge. It's a pleasure to play now because it does not hurt the eyes anymore. The dev has done an amazing job on PS4 and it's running in detailed 1080p unlike the XB1 version.
But the updates are not perfect. They have actually bust some quests while fixing others and there is a weird NPC duplication going on where u see a clone in some cut scenes. This clone thing has broken the travelling salesman because you cannot enter his shop due to the clone being the real shop.
No it looks like an awful boxy Windows clone. The xbar is a brilliant invention of simplistic user interface design. Sony should not waste such innovation and pander to the Windows crowd in the hope of convincing xboxers to jump ship.
If Sony want to add more functionality up front, why not have 3 horizontal xbars. The top one for settings, the middle for games and the lower for apps and social stuff. That way the screen remains uncluttered and only expands content out when you roll over it.
It's a shame Apple have patented their Mac OS dock with magnifying icons. That's probably where the xbar idea came from and would allow the icons to be shrunk in size so they only enlarge when you roll over them.
3 slim horizontal xbars would look really neat then and be a differentiator from the xbox. The interface shown here is Windows 8 and 10. Ugly and boxy. Too much in your face like an advert page n a magazine.
I would like to see a Skyrim remaster. Even though this ran like crap on PS3, this was the best game ever made until The Last Of Us came out.
I would also like to see the two best games on PS2 remastered: Cold Winter that has influenced every action adventure right up to the present, and Drakan: The Ancients' Gates which was the blueprint for Skyrim.
People who claim about remasters are extremely selfish. They are so wrapped up in themselves, they fail to understand that new people are born every day and enter the world of gaming. They have not played the classics from the past. Those games are still valid just like a classic movie or classic album.
Great gameplay is eternal but game graphics don't age well as consoles improve. In order to keep the classics playable for the new audiences and those wishing to replay old classics, you have to remaster them at todays quality. Nobody forces you to buy them. Market forces decide. If nobody buys them they won't be made. New games are still being made. Right now it's a great time to be a gamer if you're on PS4. I'm having a blast.
If it needs more time. give it more time. I hope they don't compromise and rush it out early before it's ready due to all the pressure. I would prefer to wait and make sure the game is truly superb. This looks amazing so far. It would be a real shame to destroy its potential legacy due to market forces. In the long term it will strengthen the Playstation brand if done well.
I might be tempted to buy the special edition. If ever there was a reason to buy a special edition, it is when it is a remaster of 3 classics that have shaped gaming history. These are among the best games ever made. They need to be treasured and replayed again at todays quality, because great gameplay is eternal but game graphics do not age well once better hardware comers out.
I hope they fix the travelling traders that they bust in update 1.07. When you talk to him and ask what he has got, you cannot get into his shop. When you back out you get a brief glimpse of his clone standing in a different location, then he disappears.
There appears to be two of them generated. The one you see first and access is the dummy. The clone that you cannot access is the real store entrance but you cannot access him.
It happens on all travelling traders you meet. Static traders are ok. That definitely needs fixing urgent because bust shops are a major bug. It's an easy bug to fix because it is repeatable and easy to find. It's probably a single line of code that is generating two instances of the trader by mistake.
Fart in his suit? That's definitely child's humour for child xbox gamers. Uncharted is far superior. The combat has far more agility with the melee, cover, run rolling and gunplay. Sony have always supported mature gamers and gamers of all ages. Xbox always focussed on the 8-12 year olds. There is nothing on xbox that has the mature story themes used in The Last Of Us. Mature gamers are well catered for on PS4.
As things stand I totally agree with the 5/10 score. It's a shame because the golf mechanic is top notch and a lot of fun. The graphics are superb if you ignore the annoying shimmering details during a camera pan due to zero anti aliasing and the objects popping in and out of visibility. The lack of content is unforgivable. The commentary is excellent but eventually starts to annoy as it repeats. More random variations in the speech are required.
We are still waiting for more free courses but they are not appearing. EA need to flesh out this game with more courses, more play modes and more golfers, or they will suffer in the long run when we leave the franchise out of disgust.
We may not have asked for it but detractors need to realise that towards the end of the previous gen, great games were being released that were pushing the PS3 way too hard with horrendous screen tear, making them unplayable, so gamers like me were just avoiding them and saving up for the next gen console instead. Those games are still valid and we haven't played them yet.
I quite fancied this game with it's 4 player coop RPG exploration elements, but could not bring myself buy it on PS3 because of the horrendous screen tear and fuzzy blurred anti aliasing on the graphics. On PS4 the game would be perfect and if they include Riptide as well like the Metro series did, then I might just buy this.
@Boerewors Let's face it, they were up against it trying to make Titanfall work on an xbox. The result looks ugly but that's because of hardware limitations. Remastering Uncharted on the PS4 is a totally different prospect. The devs have got the most powerful games console ever made to play with. That might not be what you want to hear but it's true.
@NaughtyOttsel22 Yes that's the point exactly. MS 'pay to deny.' Sony 'pay to create.' The former is negative. The latter is positive. Example: two runners in a race, you can either train hard to beat the other guy or simply smack him in the knee caps with a plank of wood. MS is the matter.
Sony exclusives like Uncharted are fully funded by Sony and completely fair. MS don't have a similar game to go up against it, so they pay a corrupt bribe to a 3rd party who has already made the game to deny it. Negative and bad for gamers.
That is the truth of the matter. By the way, fanboy is a derogative term for those tell lies and distort the truth to justify their loyalty. A fan enthusiastically gives praise where praise is due and does it truthfully. Don't make the mistake on confusing the two as the same.
@Gamer83 I agree. The reason why I say DLC is of no consequence as long as the main game releases simultaneously is because people play the games at different speeds, so some people are not ready for the DLC after a month or two anyway, making the delay have zero effect.
Delaying the main game is very serious, especially this one on this platform for all the reasons I have mentioned. It is designed to make people jump platforms or attract those yet to move to the next gen. PS4 gamers are forced to stay where they are because how could you drop down in quality once you have got use to the PS4 clarity.
@BAMozzy No it is not like COD switching to PS4. COD has always been on both platforms and released at the same times and always will be. It was lead platform on xbox but that just means it was optimised best for that console. Getting DLC first is neither here nor there as long as both get the main game at the same time.
No corrupt bribe was paid by Sony to encourage the jump to Playstation. COD is loosing its attraction so MS did not want to pay any more corrupt bribes to keep xbox as lead platform, so they dev chose the platform that would best make the games look good as the lead platform. There is no financial incentive to run the game second best now. They are desperate so they need to run it at its best in order to survive and that means make the most powerful consoles the lead platform.
Tomb Raider is morally different. It was exclusive to Playstation at one time, then went multiplat which was a good move. But it is now denying the loyal gamers on the original platform for 12 months in order to take a corrupt bribe. That's nasty and very greedy.
Let's be clear it is corrupt. We have FIFA in the dog house for making and taking corrupt financial payments in order to host the World Cup in a certain country, but we don't see Microsoft in the dog house for making corrupt financial payments to host Tomb Raider on a certain platform. Why is that?
TR has become a cultural standard just like football and belongs to the people, not any particular platform.
@BAMozzy Same here, I have been playing for 40 years right from the start so I have seen it all, but this is different. We are not talking about an exclusive new IP or an IP that has been a long standing association with a platform and remain exclusive.
We are talking about a game that has been on a particular platform for about 20 years an gained huge success by the support from those gamers. It has become a cultural icon above political capitalism. The game now belongs to the people not the shareholders because they pay the wages.
You cannot mess with that by making corrupt exclusive deals for exclusivity on a competitive platform denying the loyal supporters for a year. It's morally wrong. They crossed a red line and should be punished with a boycott. You can still buy the game later on at a reduced price or second hand. It's not like there is a shortage of games to play in its place. Do not reward them for stabbing you in the back or they will simply do it again.
Well it looks like I'll be buying it in 2017 then on PS4 when the price comes down in order to financially punish Square Enix and Crystal dynamics for stabbing the loyal Tomb Raider fans in the back by taking a MS corrupt bribe for short term gain.
Japan is going through a bad period right now with consoles. They appear to have migrated to smaller tech having lost interest in consoles due to the last gen being 2 years too long.
If you think Sony is struggling, look at MS. You really have to sympathy for those 100 Japanese gamers who bought the XB1 console. They are either incredibly stubborn, impressively loyal or just plain stupid for not reading the market and console spec. They are just not going to be supported and will sell the thing within 6 months.
It's a great start, but it won't play MP4 movies larger than 2GB so full movies are off the table until Sony remove the limitation. And we still cannot play the content from a cost effective DVD-R or play CD's. I know many young people have been breast fed on mp3 downloads but some of us still enjoy the full quality of lossless audio. MP3 is great and I use them most of the time but I still play my favourites in CD format when I want a treat.
This was an enjoyable game in the short term but fatally flawed in the long term. In order to progress and rank up you needed to do jobs. Doing a job in coop paid significantly more than playing on your own solo. The problem is that if you don't have a really good connection with low latency, the lag is unplayable so you either loose out on the high cash or just when you have done all the hard work the host kicks you and you get nothing.
The result is pay to win. Those who pay for a good internet rank up fast and make big money, those that can't afford it loose out and are forced to grind the solo with little gain. That is a terrible game model.
Uncharted 3 coop arena is still the best multiplayer coop out there and still has a loyal cult following. Same with Uncharted 2 coop survival. Naughty Dog must maintain the same standard with a coop survival mode in Uncharted 4 because there is a huge fan base waiting for it. Female gamers love Uncharted coop.
The Last Of Us multiplayer was extremely disappointing because it never included a coop even though the game was crying out for it having proved how good the AI coop was with the character Bill. We were waiting to buy it DLC but it never arrived. Naughty Dog missed a trick there. Let's hope they don't make the same mistake twice.
X marks the spot and it's the button your thumb is hovering over, so when we mostly say 'yes activate', x should be the button. To press square we need to pull back our thumb so it suits 'go back, undo'. Hopefully we rarely have to cancel otherwise we get nowhere so the most uncomfortable button press should be used which is square.
People are reacting to this article as if it's the only option but you can set whatever you like. It is this website that has suggested changing x to square. You could change x to triangle if you want. The choice is yours.
Button mapping is an interesting update, but it would be pretty useless if it was just a single global setting. The feature should store settings that are game specific so you can have different settings for each game. Otherwise you will get a game that has bad button mapping, you correct it, then when you go back to your other games that were fine, it's all wrong, so you have to put it back. That's an annoying mess.
@kungfauxmaster Good point. And why would you pay an extra £20 for a digital game you have to delete from your tiny hard drive to make space for new games. And then find in 10 years time when you want to replay it that the game is no longer supported on the server and has disappeared up its own bottom.
@Midzark
They passed the blame because they were not to blame. Are you saying they are to blame. If not, what's your point.
The publisher has clearly messed up here which was really unexpected because if anything, they would been keen to get it out quickly and reap the rewards off their promotional work. A distributer that fails to distribute is clearly in the wrong business. Heads will roll.
"To be honest it’s hard to commend the developer for getting the bare essentials right." That statement just about sums it up really. All I can say is keep improving this disaster and don't EVER release a game before it is ready just to capitalise on the market, because you do far more damage to the brands future than the short term profits you gained. You have destroyed my trust so I will no longer be pre-ordering any future Assassin's Creed games on PS4. New instalments will have to stand on their own two feet after release before I commit a purchase.
The PS3 messages worked just fine and still does. In fact when on PS4 I was firing up the PS3 just to do the messaging because the PS4 was simply unusable. The PS4 OS obviously contributes to the problem, but the real problem is the server resources allocated to the PS4 service when the US is online.
Far too much emphasis is placed on the new advanced social services without even getting the basic text chat social interaction correct first. We now pay for multiplayer so a portion of that money should be allocated to more servers for the messages. It's not fair to direct all those funds towards streaming services so Sony and 3rd party's can make a profit out of our PSN subscription.
The latest OS update has drastically improved things, so I'm really grateful Sony are working on it, but more work is needed to totally nail this problem and make it the transparent process we all expect.
I've given up on this game now. If they don't improve the frame rate on PS4 version I won't be playing it or any other AC in the future. Ubisoft are a great dev specialising in open world games. Far Cry 4 is a masterpiece but ACU just has been an utter disappointment.
I was disgusted they failed to fully optimise the PS4 version to 1080p, but that was the least of the problems as it turned out. The thing is struggling at 900p, it's full of glitches and the coop does not work. I've never been able to host or join a coop match ever, apart from the time the game just threw me into a coop party in error when I was climbing on a Notre Dame roof.
I don't think the issues are relate to the ambitious graphics. The game is just poorly coded and full of bugs. A rush job intended to cash in with an annual release. There will be no pre-order from me next year. Ubisoft have been given a great console by Sony and they just mess up the opportunity.
I'm pretty happy with this. You can create an mp3 library on a large USB stick with sub folders etc and it works perfectly. The utility is simple and does the job with very high quality sound when output through a Hi Fi system.
I just need to know if you can use an external USB 3.0 hard drive instead of the stick so you can create a very large archive, but I suspect a 32GB USB stick is going to be plenty if you have one. I only have an 8GB USB stick and it's full of Far Cry 4 videos from Youtube to play on the PS3.
@get2sammyb The title sounds good to me. The Tomb Raider DE was amazing but lacked a little in the tomb exploration and puzzle department, so if that was the training session and she gets into some serious tomb raiding in the new one, then that's great by me. The title indicates that perfectly.
I desperately want this game to be great. I love golf games and this looks really promising with the course editor, but in recent months I've been checking out the PC beta footage on Youtube and there's an awful lot of ugly trees that all look the same that pop-in alarmingly as you play the game. I'm definitely going to wait for the reviews because this could end up a bit naff compared to a polished PGA title. No disc version sounds a bit half baked to me, like the dev isn't confident enough to risk an expensive retail release so it's going the lame cheapo Indie route.
At last a post apocalyptic wasteland that isn't drab mono colour with boring locations. The Last Of Us demonstrated how nature is more resilient than we give it credit for and how it does not always have to be a nuclear apocalypse. I'm hoping it's something like Day Of The Triffids mixed with The Last Of Us. That would be really cool.
At last a Dev with morals who puts gamers first and does not take corrupt bribes. Thank you. Respect to you for that. Hopefully other devs will follow.
Titanfall is no big loss. It's just COD in robot suites and is going down the same dead end cul-de-sac as COD. This move from MS is totally predicted and follows a familiar pattern.
MS pays to deny. Sony pays to create. The former hurts gamers, the latter benefits gamers. Where MS offers corrupt bribes to devs in order to keep a game off another platform in the disguise of a exclusive, Sony exclusives are made by their own first party studios so they pay the wages and fund the actual game development. Sony exclusive games would not get made without Sony's funding. MS exclusive games are already created but locked down with a corrupt bride. The ugly face of MS capitalism.
We could end up with 70% of the console gaming population on PS4 and MS locking down AAA games to their 30% share. That sort of behaviour is going to kill the game industry. The fact that the XB1 is so weak at gaming is causing a problem which is bad for gamers. We need healthy competition, not unhealthy competition. A disproportionate market share is going to PS4 causing MS to adopt desperate measures. They cannot win on graphics performance, so they will go for denial where gamers will be forced to accept second best just to play the game. That will turn gamers off and spawn apathy.
I'm thinking $200 would sell them like hot cakes, but to be honest, anything below £300 is too cheap. If they make it too cheap the quality suffers and when that happens we loose accuracy. Loose accuracy and you get motion sickness and eye strain. When that happens the mass market won't buy it and it just becomes a geek novelty. $1000 and above is a killer. £500 would be pushing it, so I think the sweet spot will be £350-$400. About the same as the actual console.
Unlike this article, I'm not surprised Sony have been able to get up and running with VR tech very quickly. Let's not forget, Sony have been major researchers into high tech equipment in all areas. They have been a major player designing high tech optical camera's and various medical equipment. They have a lot of experience in TV technology and 3D. They have vast experience in human ergonomics. Every type of electronic product (optical or audio) that you can think of, Sony have had multiple versions to market at both the domestic budget end and the high tech pro end. If anyone can do it Sony can.
Definitely. It's one of the best games ever made and would be even better in 1080p 60fps with an even more dense environment. It makes sense financially because a large majority of PS4 owners will be ex xbox players jumping ship who will have never played such a classic. They would be in for a real treat.
This game will be brilliant if they can get the ball to fly smooth through the air without jerky frames or pop-in foliage. PS4 has lots of very fast RAM and a powerful GPU with lots of compute units, so its not an impossible task. XB1 will struggle. They also need to work on the golfer animations. The golfer looks great and has a brilliant swing but the follow through just freezes like a statue. Easily fixed with a muscle relax animation. When looking from above, the trees do tend to look the same colour so they need to add a little variety of shape and colour. The trees look perfect when actually on the course. The interface also needs a bit of polish but it's definitely going in the right direction with the choice of images. Some onscreen text is hard to read because the background is too busy behind it, so they need to consider solid floating tabs coming in form either side or more opaque tints under the text.
Making your own courses is a brilliant idea, adding endless play time to the game. They have implemented it superbly so beginners can have a random course generated in 3 seconds with just 3 button clicks. It's true. Watch it in the video. The generated courses are not flawed or unplayable but you can edit them if you dislike something. Those with more creativity can go in and really edit and sculpt every part, or even create a new one completely from scratch making everything by hand. There is a whole games worth of gameplay just in creating the courses if you enjoy being creative, and that's without actually playing them, or playing other people's creations. Definitely work in progress but really exciting stuff. Spring 1014 is too early. I'll expect this in summer all polished up on PS4. They have a winner in their grasp.
I'll buy the next Hot Shots Golf for my fantasy fun light hearted stuff, and this one as my hardcore creative golf sim. Perfect partnership.
I knew it was coming and still bought the PS3 version once the quality was confirmed, knowing full well I would be double dipping later for the full HD lush environment smooth PS4 version. Even after telling everyone to wait for the PS4 port. Full marks to Rockstar for delivering awesome quality on PS3. I wrongly doubted them based on past history. The game is worth buying twice. Same with The Last Of Us, Far Cry 3 or Skyrim. My money is ready and waiting. Bring them on.
@RisefromAshes Yes I agree and that is exactly what Sony are doing. US and UK are priority targets where xbox was strong. All those that could see the PS4 was a beast early on by looking at the spec, pre-ordered and now have their PS4.
The doubters who sat on the fence now realise its a beast and are riding the hype desperate to get one. Sony is working flat out to try and supply them, but there is a limit to how fast you can make them. The late arrivals trying to buy one may have to wait a short while. They will eventually get one if they are patient and definitely won't regret it.
No way are Sony holding back stock to create hype. The object of the game is to get as many consoles into living rooms as possible to sell the games. Most people only buy one console, so you have one chance to grab them. Sony is determined to grab any many as possible from the US and UK, so xbox looses its market share.
Sony have already done the hard work. They have created a cost effective gaming beast which has generated high levels of hype, so no need for underhanded tricks. They just have to make those consoles as fast as possible and deliver them to customers, without compromising quality, before they get frustrated and buy an XB1.
The gamer wins. We have a cheap high powered games console, and going on Sony's proven track record, we will get a flood of great games during the console's lifetime. The future is bright for PS4 gamers.
@MadchesterManc
Same here. I'm all for full instals that make game run better, but we have got to have access to much bigger drives. Sony have got to unlock external USB 3 for booting games, even if it means reformatting the drive from the PS4 in order to create a secure encrypted environment. They could pair the hard drive to the console that formatted it, so games copied onto a drive will only play on the PS4 that is paired with it. Sony have already claimed that PS4 games are paired to the console not the users account, so they are going in the right direction.
@Scollurio I was actually planning to buy a huge usb 3 drive for the games like you suggested, until I realised Sony had blocked it a few months ago. When the game instals are large and you only have a 500GB drive, it's the logical choice to allow external game storage, Sony have obviously decided no for security reasons in order to stop piracy which is sad. Maybe Sony plan to patch it in later when they have coded a way to make it secure. Hopefully before everyone hits the wall and everyone start complaining.
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Re: First Impressions: Eyes-On with PS4's Virtual Reality Headset Project Morpheus
@get2sammyb
I agree, aiming with head is going to be a problem, so is walking into move. VR is going to have to make compromises or we will be getting neck strain and banging our skins on furniture. Who wants to stand up playing games anyway.
I think most VR games should use left joystick for movement and right joystick for gun aim. You should be able to look around 360 degrees independently of that with your head.
To walk you would be driving yourself around as if on wheels with the L joystick, while aiming gun with the R joystick. Your head would be freely looking around giving you the VR immersion. That would be the ideal solution for me.
Re: Mad Max's New PS4 Trailer Lets You Decide How to Create Carnage
@banacheck
Yes the fisty punchy melee stuff with naff animation looks extremely repetitive which is what you get when a film franchise is padded out due to lack of unique gameplay inspiration. We will find out the truth in the reviews.
Re: Mad Max's New PS4 Trailer Lets You Decide How to Create Carnage
This game is a Just Cause clone, made by the Just Cause dev, because a film franchise hired them due to it having similar vehicle combat to the Mad Max films. Film franchises never translate to games very well, unless you have a game that is already similar to the film.
Example, if they made an Indiana Jones game it would be crap, but Uncharted and Tomb Raider are excellent. If Naughty Dog were hired to produce an Indiana Jones movie using the Uncharted game engine it would probably be a great game. But Naughty Dog are not for hire because they follow their own creative instincts.
Mad Max may be a good game, it may not. We will see. The only certainty here is that I will definitely be buying the real deal in the form of Just Cause 3.
Re: Review: Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons (PS4)
I've got problem. This was a great game on PS3. I played it free on PSN Plus. I'm sure it looks great on PS4 but the excellent gameplay was puzzle based, so once those puzzles are solved how can you play it again as a remaster on PS4. It brings nothing new to the experience. The graphics on PS3 version were great with zero screen tear due to it having no combat so not much gain there either.
If you have not played it, definitely buy it. You have everything to gain in that situation.
Re: 80 Minutes of Mad Max PS4 Gameplay Kicks Up a Sandstorm
As expected there is a heavy Just Cause influence but a surprising Far Cry influence as well. Just Cause and Far Cry share the same basic theme, where you're a revolutionary causing mayhem like a terrorist to gradually bring down a country by capturing key installations.
It's a versatile structure that always works well if done right and Mad Max is using a similar theme but probably battling against rival gangs rather than a government dictator. It's borrowing from the best so all is good there, but what does it bring to the table to make it individual.
As far as I can see it's naff fisty punchy stuff that looks extremely tedious with awful animation. Uncharted is the master of smooth fluid melee and how to blend it seamlessly with gunplay. I'm a little underwhelmed. I hope Just Cause 3 is the real deal.
Re: Having Witcher 3 Framerate Issues on PS4? This Might Help After Installing Patch 1.08
It amazes me how many people are making comments that they cannot see any improvement in the frame rate. They are either blind, have very short memories or just xbot trolls.
I suggest they delete the game and all updates, then play the game from scratch with the internet turned off. Then turn the internet on and load all the updates. The difference is huge. It's a pleasure to play now because it does not hurt the eyes anymore. The dev has done an amazing job on PS4 and it's running in detailed 1080p unlike the XB1 version.
But the updates are not perfect. They have actually bust some quests while fixing others and there is a weird NPC duplication going on where u see a clone in some cut scenes. This clone thing has broken the travelling salesman because you cannot enter his shop due to the clone being the real shop.
Re: Is This Redesigned PS4 User Interface an Improvement?
No it looks like an awful boxy Windows clone. The xbar is a brilliant invention of simplistic user interface design. Sony should not waste such innovation and pander to the Windows crowd in the hope of convincing xboxers to jump ship.
If Sony want to add more functionality up front, why not have 3 horizontal xbars. The top one for settings, the middle for games and the lower for apps and social stuff. That way the screen remains uncluttered and only expands content out when you roll over it.
It's a shame Apple have patented their Mac OS dock with magnifying icons. That's probably where the xbar idea came from and would allow the icons to be shrunk in size so they only enlarge when you roll over them.
3 slim horizontal xbars would look really neat then and be a differentiator from the xbox. The interface shown here is Windows 8 and 10. Ugly and boxy. Too much in your face like an advert page n a magazine.
Re: Gamescom 2015: It's Very Likely There'll Be More PS4 Remasters, Says Sony
I would like to see a Skyrim remaster. Even though this ran like crap on PS3, this was the best game ever made until The Last Of Us came out.
I would also like to see the two best games on PS2 remastered: Cold Winter that has influenced every action adventure right up to the present, and Drakan: The Ancients' Gates which was the blueprint for Skyrim.
People who claim about remasters are extremely selfish. They are so wrapped up in themselves, they fail to understand that new people are born every day and enter the world of gaming. They have not played the classics from the past. Those games are still valid just like a classic movie or classic album.
Great gameplay is eternal but game graphics don't age well as consoles improve. In order to keep the classics playable for the new audiences and those wishing to replay old classics, you have to remaster them at todays quality. Nobody forces you to buy them. Market forces decide. If nobody buys them they won't be made. New games are still being made. Right now it's a great time to be a gamer if you're on PS4. I'm having a blast.
Re: Gamescom 2015: PS4 Exclusive Horizon: Zero Dawn Targeting 2016 Still
If it needs more time. give it more time. I hope they don't compromise and rush it out early before it's ready due to all the pressure. I would prefer to wait and make sure the game is truly superb. This looks amazing so far. It would be a real shame to destroy its potential legacy due to market forces. In the long term it will strengthen the Playstation brand if done well.
Re: Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection's Nabbing a Special Edition on PS4
I might be tempted to buy the special edition. If ever there was a reason to buy a special edition, it is when it is a remaster of 3 classics that have shaped gaming history. These are among the best games ever made. They need to be treasured and replayed again at todays quality, because great gameplay is eternal but game graphics do not age well once better hardware comers out.
Re: The Witcher 3's PS4 Patch 1.08 Fixes Potential Performance Issues
I hope they fix the travelling traders that they bust in update 1.07. When you talk to him and ask what he has got, you cannot get into his shop. When you back out you get a brief glimpse of his clone standing in a different location, then he disappears.
There appears to be two of them generated. The one you see first and access is the dummy. The clone that you cannot access is the real store entrance but you cannot access him.
It happens on all travelling traders you meet. Static traders are ok. That definitely needs fixing urgent because bust shops are a major bug. It's an easy bug to fix because it is repeatable and easy to find. It's probably a single line of code that is generating two instances of the trader by mistake.
Re: Sony Boasts About Brilliant British PS4 Sales
Fart in his suit? That's definitely child's humour for child xbox gamers. Uncharted is far superior. The combat has far more agility with the melee, cover, run rolling and gunplay. Sony have always supported mature gamers and gamers of all ages. Xbox always focussed on the 8-12 year olds. There is nothing on xbox that has the mature story themes used in The Last Of Us. Mature gamers are well catered for on PS4.
Re: Review: EA Sports Rory McIlroy PGA Tour (PS4)
As things stand I totally agree with the 5/10 score. It's a shame because the golf mechanic is top notch and a lot of fun. The graphics are superb if you ignore the annoying shimmering details during a camera pan due to zero anti aliasing and the objects popping in and out of visibility. The lack of content is unforgivable. The commentary is excellent but eventually starts to annoy as it repeats. More random variations in the speech are required.
We are still waiting for more free courses but they are not appearing. EA need to flesh out this game with more courses, more play modes and more golfers, or they will suffer in the long run when we leave the franchise out of disgust.
Re: Rumour: Dead Island Could Be the Next PS4 Remaster That No One Asked For
We may not have asked for it but detractors need to realise that towards the end of the previous gen, great games were being released that were pushing the PS3 way too hard with horrendous screen tear, making them unplayable, so gamers like me were just avoiding them and saving up for the next gen console instead. Those games are still valid and we haven't played them yet.
I quite fancied this game with it's 4 player coop RPG exploration elements, but could not bring myself buy it on PS3 because of the horrendous screen tear and fuzzy blurred anti aliasing on the graphics. On PS4 the game would be perfect and if they include Riptide as well like the Metro series did, then I might just buy this.
Re: Sony Teases More Uncharted PS4 Collection Improvements Outside of 60FPS and 1080p
@Boerewors
Let's face it, they were up against it trying to make Titanfall work on an xbox. The result looks ugly but that's because of hardware limitations. Remastering Uncharted on the PS4 is a totally different prospect. The devs have got the most powerful games console ever made to play with. That might not be what you want to hear but it's true.
Re: Rumour: Rise of the Tomb Raider to Clamber onto PS4 in Late 2016
@NaughtyOttsel22
Yes that's the point exactly. MS 'pay to deny.' Sony 'pay to create.' The former is negative. The latter is positive. Example: two runners in a race, you can either train hard to beat the other guy or simply smack him in the knee caps with a plank of wood. MS is the matter.
Sony exclusives like Uncharted are fully funded by Sony and completely fair. MS don't have a similar game to go up against it, so they pay a corrupt bribe to a 3rd party who has already made the game to deny it. Negative and bad for gamers.
That is the truth of the matter. By the way, fanboy is a derogative term for those tell lies and distort the truth to justify their loyalty. A fan enthusiastically gives praise where praise is due and does it truthfully. Don't make the mistake on confusing the two as the same.
Re: Rumour: Rise of the Tomb Raider to Clamber onto PS4 in Late 2016
@Gamer83
I agree. The reason why I say DLC is of no consequence as long as the main game releases simultaneously is because people play the games at different speeds, so some people are not ready for the DLC after a month or two anyway, making the delay have zero effect.
Delaying the main game is very serious, especially this one on this platform for all the reasons I have mentioned. It is designed to make people jump platforms or attract those yet to move to the next gen. PS4 gamers are forced to stay where they are because how could you drop down in quality once you have got use to the PS4 clarity.
Re: Rumour: Rise of the Tomb Raider to Clamber onto PS4 in Late 2016
@BAMozzy
No it is not like COD switching to PS4. COD has always been on both platforms and released at the same times and always will be. It was lead platform on xbox but that just means it was optimised best for that console. Getting DLC first is neither here nor there as long as both get the main game at the same time.
No corrupt bribe was paid by Sony to encourage the jump to Playstation. COD is loosing its attraction so MS did not want to pay any more corrupt bribes to keep xbox as lead platform, so they dev chose the platform that would best make the games look good as the lead platform. There is no financial incentive to run the game second best now. They are desperate so they need to run it at its best in order to survive and that means make the most powerful consoles the lead platform.
Tomb Raider is morally different. It was exclusive to Playstation at one time, then went multiplat which was a good move. But it is now denying the loyal gamers on the original platform for 12 months in order to take a corrupt bribe. That's nasty and very greedy.
Let's be clear it is corrupt. We have FIFA in the dog house for making and taking corrupt financial payments in order to host the World Cup in a certain country, but we don't see Microsoft in the dog house for making corrupt financial payments to host Tomb Raider on a certain platform. Why is that?
TR has become a cultural standard just like football and belongs to the people, not any particular platform.
Re: Rumour: Rise of the Tomb Raider to Clamber onto PS4 in Late 2016
@BAMozzy
Same here, I have been playing for 40 years right from the start so I have seen it all, but this is different. We are not talking about an exclusive new IP or an IP that has been a long standing association with a platform and remain exclusive.
We are talking about a game that has been on a particular platform for about 20 years an gained huge success by the support from those gamers. It has become a cultural icon above political capitalism. The game now belongs to the people not the shareholders because they pay the wages.
You cannot mess with that by making corrupt exclusive deals for exclusivity on a competitive platform denying the loyal supporters for a year. It's morally wrong. They crossed a red line and should be punished with a boycott. You can still buy the game later on at a reduced price or second hand. It's not like there is a shortage of games to play in its place. Do not reward them for stabbing you in the back or they will simply do it again.
Re: Rumour: Rise of the Tomb Raider to Clamber onto PS4 in Late 2016
Well it looks like I'll be buying it in 2017 then on PS4 when the price comes down in order to financially punish Square Enix and Crystal dynamics for stabbing the loyal Tomb Raider fans in the back by taking a MS corrupt bribe for short term gain.
Re: Japanese Sales Charts: The Devil May Cry at These PS4 Numbers
Japan is going through a bad period right now with consoles. They appear to have migrated to smaller tech having lost interest in consoles due to the last gen being 2 years too long.
If you think Sony is struggling, look at MS. You really have to sympathy for those 100 Japanese gamers who bought the XB1 console. They are either incredibly stubborn, impressively loyal or just plain stupid for not reading the market and console spec. They are just not going to be supported and will sell the thing within 6 months.
Re: Guide: How to View Photos, Play Music, and Watch Videos with PS4 Media Player
It's a great start, but it won't play MP4 movies larger than 2GB so full movies are off the table until Sony remove the limitation. And we still cannot play the content from a cost effective DVD-R or play CD's. I know many young people have been breast fed on mp3 downloads but some of us still enjoy the full quality of lossless audio. MP3 is great and I use them most of the time but I still play my favourites in CD format when I want a treat.
Re: Payday 2: Crimewave Edition Breaks into the PS4's LibraryÂ
This was an enjoyable game in the short term but fatally flawed in the long term. In order to progress and rank up you needed to do jobs. Doing a job in coop paid significantly more than playing on your own solo. The problem is that if you don't have a really good connection with low latency, the lag is unplayable so you either loose out on the high cash or just when you have done all the hard work the host kicks you and you get nothing.
The result is pay to win. Those who pay for a good internet rank up fast and make big money, those that can't afford it loose out and are forced to grind the solo with little gain. That is a terrible game model.
Re: Naughty Dog's Already Playing Uncharted 4 Multiplayer on PS4
@adf86
Very true, I apologise.
Re: Naughty Dog's Already Playing Uncharted 4 Multiplayer on PS4
@adf86
Wrong, Uncharted 1 had no multiplayer at all, but it did have screen tear even though it was a great game that was fun to play.
Re: Naughty Dog's Already Playing Uncharted 4 Multiplayer on PS4
Uncharted 3 coop arena is still the best multiplayer coop out there and still has a loyal cult following. Same with Uncharted 2 coop survival. Naughty Dog must maintain the same standard with a coop survival mode in Uncharted 4 because there is a huge fan base waiting for it. Female gamers love Uncharted coop.
The Last Of Us multiplayer was extremely disappointing because it never included a coop even though the game was crying out for it having proved how good the AI coop was with the character Bill. We were waiting to buy it DLC but it never arrived. Naughty Dog missed a trick there. Let's hope they don't make the same mistake twice.
Re: PS4 Firmware Update 2.50 Will Let You Use Circle to Confirm
X marks the spot and it's the button your thumb is hovering over, so when we mostly say 'yes activate', x should be the button. To press square we need to pull back our thumb so it suits 'go back, undo'. Hopefully we rarely have to cancel otherwise we get nowhere so the most uncomfortable button press should be used which is square.
People are reacting to this article as if it's the only option but you can set whatever you like. It is this website that has suggested changing x to square. You could change x to triangle if you want. The choice is yours.
Button mapping is an interesting update, but it would be pretty useless if it was just a single global setting. The feature should store settings that are game specific so you can have different settings for each game. Otherwise you will get a game that has bad button mapping, you correct it, then when you go back to your other games that were fine, it's all wrong, so you have to put it back. That's an annoying mess.
Re: This Dying Light PS4 Disc Delay Is Starting to Get Awkward
@kungfauxmaster
Good point. And why would you pay an extra £20 for a digital game you have to delete from your tiny hard drive to make space for new games. And then find in 10 years time when you want to replay it that the game is no longer supported on the server and has disappeared up its own bottom.
Re: This Dying Light PS4 Disc Delay Is Starting to Get Awkward
@Midzark
They passed the blame because they were not to blame. Are you saying they are to blame. If not, what's your point.
The publisher has clearly messed up here which was really unexpected because if anything, they would been keen to get it out quickly and reap the rewards off their promotional work. A distributer that fails to distribute is clearly in the wrong business. Heads will roll.
Re: Assassin's Creed Unity Is No Longer a Total Slide Show on PS4
"To be honest it’s hard to commend the developer for getting the bare essentials right." That statement just about sums it up really. All I can say is keep improving this disaster and don't EVER release a game before it is ready just to capitalise on the market, because you do far more damage to the brands future than the short term profits you gained. You have destroyed my trust so I will no longer be pre-ordering any future Assassin's Creed games on PS4. New instalments will have to stand on their own two feet after release before I commit a purchase.
Re: Sony Will Fix PS4 Messages in Future Firmware Update
The PS3 messages worked just fine and still does. In fact when on PS4 I was firing up the PS3 just to do the messaging because the PS4 was simply unusable. The PS4 OS obviously contributes to the problem, but the real problem is the server resources allocated to the PS4 service when the US is online.
Far too much emphasis is placed on the new advanced social services without even getting the basic text chat social interaction correct first. We now pay for multiplayer so a portion of that money should be allocated to more servers for the messages. It's not fair to direct all those funds towards streaming services so Sony and 3rd party's can make a profit out of our PSN subscription.
The latest OS update has drastically improved things, so I'm really grateful Sony are working on it, but more work is needed to totally nail this problem and make it the transparent process we all expect.
Re: Will Ubisoft Finally Fix Assassin's Creed Unity's PS4 Framerate Next Week?
@Kage_88
AC3 ran smooth on the PS3 with zero screen tear. The first AC on PS3 without screen tear.
AC4 on PS4 was superb. Smooth as silk with highly detailed graphics.
ACU is full of glitches with very poor frame rate.
Re: Will Ubisoft Finally Fix Assassin's Creed Unity's PS4 Framerate Next Week?
I've given up on this game now. If they don't improve the frame rate on PS4 version I won't be playing it or any other AC in the future. Ubisoft are a great dev specialising in open world games. Far Cry 4 is a masterpiece but ACU just has been an utter disappointment.
I was disgusted they failed to fully optimise the PS4 version to 1080p, but that was the least of the problems as it turned out. The thing is struggling at 900p, it's full of glitches and the coop does not work. I've never been able to host or join a coop match ever, apart from the time the game just threw me into a coop party in error when I was climbing on a Notre Dame roof.
I don't think the issues are relate to the ambitious graphics. The game is just poorly coded and full of bugs. A rush job intended to cash in with an annual release. There will be no pre-order from me next year. Ubisoft have been given a great console by Sony and they just mess up the opportunity.
Re: Guide: How to Use the PS4's USB Music Player
I'm pretty happy with this. You can create an mp3 library on a large USB stick with sub folders etc and it works perfectly. The utility is simple and does the job with very high quality sound when output through a Hi Fi system.
I just need to know if you can use an external USB 3.0 hard drive instead of the stick so you can create a very large archive, but I suspect a 32GB USB stick is going to be plenty if you have one. I only have an 8GB USB stick and it's full of Far Cry 4 videos from Youtube to play on the PS3.
Re: PS4 Sequel Rise of the Tomb Raider Is Taking Motion Capture to the Next Level
@get2sammyb
The title sounds good to me. The Tomb Raider DE was amazing but lacked a little in the tomb exploration and puzzle department, so if that was the training session and she gets into some serious tomb raiding in the new one, then that's great by me. The title indicates that perfectly.
Re: PS4 Sequel Rise of the Tomb Raider Is Taking Motion Capture to the Next Level
I have all the Tomb Raider games and loved the PS4 remaster, so this is a day one purchase on the PS4. Bring it on, my money is waiting.
Re: The Golf Club Swinging for 26th August Launch on PS4
I desperately want this game to be great. I love golf games and this looks really promising with the course editor, but in recent months I've been checking out the PC beta footage on Youtube and there's an awful lot of ugly trees that all look the same that pop-in alarmingly as you play the game. I'm definitely going to wait for the reviews because this could end up a bit naff compared to a polished PGA title. No disc version sounds a bit half baked to me, like the dev isn't confident enough to risk an expensive retail release so it's going the lame cheapo Indie route.
Re: Is Everybody's Gone to the Rapture the PS4's Best Looking Indie Yet?
At last a post apocalyptic wasteland that isn't drab mono colour with boring locations. The Last Of Us demonstrated how nature is more resilient than we give it credit for and how it does not always have to be a nuclear apocalypse. I'm hoping it's something like Day Of The Triffids mixed with The Last Of Us. That would be really cool.
Re: The PS4 Won't Be Looting Any Exclusive Content from The Witcher 3
At last a Dev with morals who puts gamers first and does not take corrupt bribes. Thank you. Respect to you for that. Hopefully other devs will follow.
Re: Feature: In Theory, Could Titanfall Drop a Bot on PS4?
Titanfall is no big loss. It's just COD in robot suites and is going down the same dead end cul-de-sac as COD. This move from MS is totally predicted and follows a familiar pattern.
MS pays to deny. Sony pays to create. The former hurts gamers, the latter benefits gamers. Where MS offers corrupt bribes to devs in order to keep a game off another platform in the disguise of a exclusive, Sony exclusives are made by their own first party studios so they pay the wages and fund the actual game development. Sony exclusive games would not get made without Sony's funding. MS exclusive games are already created but locked down with a corrupt bride. The ugly face of MS capitalism.
We could end up with 70% of the console gaming population on PS4 and MS locking down AAA games to their 30% share. That sort of behaviour is going to kill the game industry. The fact that the XB1 is so weak at gaming is causing a problem which is bad for gamers. We need healthy competition, not unhealthy competition. A disproportionate market share is going to PS4 causing MS to adopt desperate measures. They cannot win on graphics performance, so they will go for denial where gamers will be forced to accept second best just to play the game. That will turn gamers off and spawn apathy.
Re: Project Morpheus to Be 'Affordable Consumer-Grade Device', Says Sony Exec
I'm thinking $200 would sell them like hot cakes, but to be honest, anything below £300 is too cheap. If they make it too cheap the quality suffers and when that happens we loose accuracy. Loose accuracy and you get motion sickness and eye strain. When that happens the mass market won't buy it and it just becomes a geek novelty. $1000 and above is a killer. £500 would be pushing it, so I think the sweet spot will be £350-$400. About the same as the actual console.
Re: Feature: 12 PS3 Hits We'd Like to See Remastered for PS4
Just Cause 2 would be superb on PS4. You forgot to mention Skyrim. The best game ever made that ran crap on PS3.
Re: Sources Suggest PS4's Virtual Reality Headset Stomps All Over Oculus Rift
Unlike this article, I'm not surprised Sony have been able to get up and running with VR tech very quickly. Let's not forget, Sony have been major researchers into high tech equipment in all areas. They have been a major player designing high tech optical camera's and various medical equipment. They have a lot of experience in TV technology and 3D. They have vast experience in human ergonomics. Every type of electronic product (optical or audio) that you can think of, Sony have had multiple versions to market at both the domestic budget end and the high tech pro end. If anyone can do it Sony can.
Re: Do You Want to Play The Last of Us on PS4? You Should Say So
Definitely. It's one of the best games ever made and would be even better in 1080p 60fps with an even more dense environment. It makes sense financially because a large majority of PS4 owners will be ex xbox players jumping ship who will have never played such a classic. They would be in for a real treat.
Re: PS4 Putter The Golf Club Comes Out Swinging
This game will be brilliant if they can get the ball to fly smooth through the air without jerky frames or pop-in foliage. PS4 has lots of very fast RAM and a powerful GPU with lots of compute units, so its not an impossible task. XB1 will struggle. They also need to work on the golfer animations. The golfer looks great and has a brilliant swing but the follow through just freezes like a statue. Easily fixed with a muscle relax animation. When looking from above, the trees do tend to look the same colour so they need to add a little variety of shape and colour. The trees look perfect when actually on the course. The interface also needs a bit of polish but it's definitely going in the right direction with the choice of images. Some onscreen text is hard to read because the background is too busy behind it, so they need to consider solid floating tabs coming in form either side or more opaque tints under the text.
Making your own courses is a brilliant idea, adding endless play time to the game. They have implemented it superbly so beginners can have a random course generated in 3 seconds with just 3 button clicks. It's true. Watch it in the video. The generated courses are not flawed or unplayable but you can edit them if you dislike something. Those with more creativity can go in and really edit and sculpt every part, or even create a new one completely from scratch making everything by hand. There is a whole games worth of gameplay just in creating the courses if you enjoy being creative, and that's without actually playing them, or playing other people's creations. Definitely work in progress but really exciting stuff. Spring 1014 is too early. I'll expect this in summer all polished up on PS4. They have a winner in their grasp.
I'll buy the next Hot Shots Golf for my fantasy fun light hearted stuff, and this one as my hardcore creative golf sim. Perfect partnership.
Re: Rumour: Is Grand Theft Auto V Set to Hijack the PS4?
I knew it was coming and still bought the PS3 version once the quality was confirmed, knowing full well I would be double dipping later for the full HD lush environment smooth PS4 version. Even after telling everyone to wait for the PS4 port. Full marks to Rockstar for delivering awesome quality on PS3. I wrongly doubted them based on past history. The game is worth buying twice. Same with The Last Of Us, Far Cry 3 or Skyrim. My money is ready and waiting. Bring them on.
Re: Sony: We Haven't Created an Artificial Shortage of PS4 Stock
@RisefromAshes
Yes I agree and that is exactly what Sony are doing. US and UK are priority targets where xbox was strong. All those that could see the PS4 was a beast early on by looking at the spec, pre-ordered and now have their PS4.
The doubters who sat on the fence now realise its a beast and are riding the hype desperate to get one. Sony is working flat out to try and supply them, but there is a limit to how fast you can make them. The late arrivals trying to buy one may have to wait a short while. They will eventually get one if they are patient and definitely won't regret it.
Re: Sony: We Haven't Created an Artificial Shortage of PS4 Stock
No way are Sony holding back stock to create hype. The object of the game is to get as many consoles into living rooms as possible to sell the games. Most people only buy one console, so you have one chance to grab them. Sony is determined to grab any many as possible from the US and UK, so xbox looses its market share.
Sony have already done the hard work. They have created a cost effective gaming beast which has generated high levels of hype, so no need for underhanded tricks. They just have to make those consoles as fast as possible and deliver them to customers, without compromising quality, before they get frustrated and buy an XB1.
The gamer wins. We have a cheap high powered games console, and going on Sony's proven track record, we will get a flood of great games during the console's lifetime. The future is bright for PS4 gamers.
Re: Rumour: Call of Duty: Ghosts Will Command 49GB of Your PS4's Hard Drive
@MadchesterManc
Same here. I'm all for full instals that make game run better, but we have got to have access to much bigger drives. Sony have got to unlock external USB 3 for booting games, even if it means reformatting the drive from the PS4 in order to create a secure encrypted environment. They could pair the hard drive to the console that formatted it, so games copied onto a drive will only play on the PS4 that is paired with it. Sony have already claimed that PS4 games are paired to the console not the users account, so they are going in the right direction.
Re: Rumour: Call of Duty: Ghosts Will Command 49GB of Your PS4's Hard Drive
@Scollurio
I was actually planning to buy a huge usb 3 drive for the games like you suggested, until I realised Sony had blocked it a few months ago. When the game instals are large and you only have a 500GB drive, it's the logical choice to allow external game storage, Sony have obviously decided no for security reasons in order to stop piracy which is sad. Maybe Sony plan to patch it in later when they have coded a way to make it secure. Hopefully before everyone hits the wall and everyone start complaining.