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@NieR_Dark did You try lowering the difficulty to story mode ? I cheated through some boss fights this way which I did not enjoy enough to keep on trying ...

@Zuljaras For me, it is absolutely "yes". However psvr2 is expensive, and the game catalogue is still relatively small. I would not play Re village, re4 and GT7 on the flat screen. Non of these games would interest me enough. But in VR, they are amazing. And I feel the same for many smaller titles. PSVR2 is by no means perfect, but good enough to allow for VR titles which look nearly as good in VR as on the flat screen. Though, at the moment very few titles really exploit the hardware, and nobody knows what the future will bring. Anyway If You have the chance, try VR (quest, pcvr, psvr1/2, ... ), if You enjoy the additional level of immersion then I would say that psvr2 would indeed be a worthy purchase.

Still playing vertigo 2 on psvr2, sometimes really good, great ideas, sometimes a bit repetitive and not super well balanced. In the end it is what it is, a game developed by more or less a single person and not a triple A studio with 100s of employees. I am also on my second playthrough of cyberpunk 2077. Unfortunately I remember it still too well, which takes away a little bit of the fun. And having started this time as a corpo rather than a street kit and a male rather than a female V, did not change enough. A rarely play games more than once, for this particular reason. So, no a real surprise. In the end I could hop directly into phantom liberty which I haven't played yet. Also flat games appeal less and less to me. I am pretty sure I would enjoy it more if there was a VR mode. Hopefully there is one in the sequel.

@Zuljaras re village is an awesome game, in particular on psvr2 in case You have one or plan to get one.

the vr mode for ghostwire tokyo or deathloop, if they existed.

it feels like that somebody has realised that owning half of the gaming industry also means to pay a lot of salaries etc. and the money has to come from somewhere ...

I could think of something that would be even more immersive than a third person camera. But maybe we are getting there one day ...

If they added a VR mode I would be all in for this remake. Otherwise, I really liked the uncharted series and a modern version surely would be appreciated by some people.

Given the success of the switch and the portal, it is quite plausible that sony is working on a portable console which is at least ps4 compatible.
Though, I have a hard time to imagine, given how sony designed its firmware in the past, that something with less than the computing power of a ps5, could be ps5 compatible, and I do not see a portable device to reach 10TF anytime soon.

physint the first ps6 game ? Not sure such a project would be limited to the early adopters (assuming it releases in << 7 years). Maybe the first ps6 remaster ?

In my opinion, the beginning was not my favorite part, the castle is very, very good, the middle part is a bit less interesting and then again gets very good for the last 2/5th or so.

not bad "91k for Metro Awakening VR". The power of the IP ? or people interested in VR ?

@naruball If You haven't You should also give resident evil village a try. I am not a big fan of horror games and only played the resident evil games because of the VR mode.

I really liked village. In some ways the VR adaptation of village is better than Re 4, but other bits are a bit worse. Overall it is also a fantastic experience in VR, maybe even better than Re 4.

Very good pacing, very polished. Maybe no super big surprises and maybe not the largest variety. But overall a very good show.

For me the only (likely) disappointing bit is that so many of the shown games look like they would be awesome in VR or even tailored for VR ... but then do not get a VR mode. I also really would like to explore the world of Stellar Blade in VR. The world looks really interesting ... but that would be a very different game in VR, I guess.

I hope it also sold a non negligible amount of copies due to its excellent VR mode.

@LifeGirl Or maybe not ?

@MFTWrecks In the best case there will be one psvr2 game of a similar scope as resident evil village / 4 remake or gran turismo 7. It is still a very small psvr2 player base. Thus, huge investments in psvr2 content is unlikely. If there is nothing in the current catalogue you fancy, the state of play will most likely not turn You over.

If you go quest2 You save a lot money, if You go quest3 You miss the psvr2 exclusives and will often get new multiplatform vr titles earlier. Most titles look better (often significantly better) on psvr2 ... after some patches. If You are more thrilled by the few quest exclusive titles than the few psvr2 exclusives, then a quest3 is probably a good choice. It is amazing what the developers manage to do with a mobile processor, but it is still low poly graphic with little visual effects. On the psvr2 side, first the processing power is multiple times larger and on top a significant amount of computing resources can be saved by the eye tracking assisted foveated rendering, which allows for titles like gt7, re4, re8 to look very close to the flat screen version, in some cases eventually even better. PSVR2 has this enormous potential ... it just needs to be exploited by developers.

Feels like some kind of sport to see everywhere a sign that vr in particular psvr2 is dead. Maybe the portal just sells faster because it is cheaper? Or maybe it is just easier to understand what a portal does and more difficult to understand whether one likes VR or not without trying ? Also the portal does not require special versions of games to profit from a portal, so game catalogues may matter as well? Anyway, I don;t think sales comparisons between two very different devices make any sense.

I don't think "AI" means here more realistic, interesting behavior of npcs or more interesting interactive conversations with npcs. I think It mostly means to use "AI" to generate (or help with the generation of) the artwork, maybe voice-over and maybe even the dialogues.

Is that the rumored ps5 pro ?

Too many games and at the same time not enough (given last year's narrative ps has no games).

But I can understand that it is difficult to come up with some very new take on something and to spotlight titles among all the new high profile titles and the excellent old titles, which still look and play great and sometimes even better.

"Did you pick up Phantom Liberty, and if so, what did you think?" I really liked the ps5 version of the base game which I got for cheap after the disastrous launch, and now I got the dlc, and I thought how great this would be on psvr2.

It is such a pity that not enough people at cdpr think alike. I don't think a vr version would be a major commercial success given the relatively small player base, but I could imagine that an adaptation similar to what was done for Re4 would not be that expensive and could pay the bills. Maybe for the next version cyberpunk 2088 ?

A VR mode would be cool.

I suppose You are one of the few with a gpu which has a virtual link ? Or can one convince a regular usb-c port to talk to a psvr2?

@thefourfoldroot1 though, there are few things village does better (and worse), but I guess village would not count for this year ... . Anyway, village and re4 are both incredible in vr. The flat screen versions absolutely pale in comparison.

Nothing to expect. It is a product show not a place to promote games. If there will be a ps5pro by the end of this year, it is likely too early to present it already at the beginning of the year. I could imagine a short trailer containing the ps lineup (ps5 slim, portal, ear buds, and released games) to promote the brand, but nothing more.

I only played mass effect after the legendary edition was released, and I really liked it. Although in particular the first and second felt in terms of gameplay (excluding the branching dialog system) a bit dated. Anyway great that this edition was created, but a shame that they did not add a VR mode at the same time. Journey to Foundation showed that mass effect would work very well in VR, and a mass effect VR mode presumably would have been better than Journey to Foundation in every way. But somehow developers have not understood yet how great games can be in VR, and that the extra amount of work is not necessarily huge (e.g. Re4).

@HonestHick But would it then not be better to also have the other stick closer to the triggers and move the buttons down ? Maybe there are games in which You have the left thumb on the stick and the other fingers on the buttons. But I typically have both thumbs on the sticks and only occasionally move them away. I do not see why an asymmetric placement would be more natural. I can understand that one can get used to one scheme and that then the other scheme feels off.

@Th3solution it is certainly possible to design games that really need the current gen hardware power (in particular memory and the ssd). Though we haven't seen many of such games. I really liked cp2077 but it also did not do anything new (or did it ?), so I suppose it was mostly badly optimized. And besides some graphical bling there are not really (m)any new gen only games which exceed last gen games. Having said all that most games offer an 60fps mode on new gen hardware which was not the case on last gen hardware. But, if developers start to focus more on mobile, and make games mobile compatible, there may not be much of an evolution (e.g. what can be seen in the VR space, where few games reach the heights of early PCVR and even early psvr1 games).

@TrickyDicky99 tanked is maybe too strong a word, but all the steps they had taken rather had a negative impact than a positive one it seems. And the steps have not been small. But it is possible that the impact will only be visible during the next generation.

@Jamesblob Makes sense. I wonder how many people consider the controller differences relevant for a decision.

Concerning pro-consumer moves: playstations subscription is considered a weaker proposition and also its backward compatibility (not sure whether this is actually true). So MS got a few things right, it seems. Also the possibility to buy games which are on their subscription service for a discounted price is always mentioned as a plus.

I have no idea of the xbox UI, I just hear that a lot of people complain about the ps5 ui in particular. Personally, I like the look of the PS5 UI. In the end all that matters for me is to get into the games without too much hassle.

@HonestHick Why is offset better for 3D gaming ? I would rather have guess the opposite since for 3D gaming You rather use the sticks with both hands rather than the digital cross. For me it makes more sense to have movement and camera control at the same reach. But I suppose in the end it is just a matter of getting used to one or the other scheme and once one got used to one scheme it is difficult to switch.

@Th3solution on the other hand the switch has proven that graphics is not everything and the series s + subscription is a hard to beat value proposition. But maybe FF16, BG3, SP2 are sufficient to convince people to buy into playstation's offerings or people go PC instead of other consoles.

@Nei might be right. I had the impression that FF16 did not play a big role in the media. Also spider man a big commercial hit, I suppose, also was a bit downplayed in the media, I had the impression.

@TrickyDicky99 That would explain why the competition does not grow, but not necessarily why it tanks.

It is good to see that playstation is doing great despite all the negativity accompanying the ps5 since its launch (too weak, no games, too expensive, too ugly, too big, too loud, ...).

But I do not understand why this is the case. Never was the difference to the competing platform smaller than this generation. Playstation has the advantage of better haptics etc. in the controller and the VR accessory (but do consumers care ?). On other hand the competition has this super duper subscription service everybody wants. In terms of games the "biggest hitters" this generation (up to now) have been multiplatform games, it seems, and according to the media the competition has more potential to deliver interesting exclusives.

So why does the general public chose playstation over the competition? Did the movie adaptions help to interest people in playstation ? Or are the recent playstation exclusives appreciated more than what the media tries to convey? Or do people actually care about ps5's exclusive features (haptics, VR) ? Or do people consider the ps5 plastic sculpture to be a beautiful piece of art ? Or did people realise that human hands are kind of symmetric and think that an asymmetric thumbstick placement is a too wild idea ?

After finishing journey to foundation this week (not the best, not the worst game, still very good voice acting and a not too bad story) I picked up mass effect 3 (legendary edition which I got via ps+). I played 1 and 2 in quick succession and liked 1 much better than 2 (unlike most people, I think). But, I also really like 3 so far. Anyway the gameplay of journey to foundation is so similar, and I always was thinking how awesome mass effect would be in VR (e.g. with fracked's cover mechanic). I really hope that one day there is a VR port, remaster or remake of the mass effect trilogy.

I do not quite understand how people argue here. It does not seem to me that anybody here has much clue.

In my humble opinion, It will take a couple of years until one can see whether the Bungie acquisition was good or bad. And likely one will never know, since it is mostly the Bungie "expertise" SIE was after, and Bungie's impact may not be visible.

At the moment the only visible impact is that a GaaS running for 7 years(?) released an expansion which was not appreciated as much as the previous ones, and that Bungie influenced SIE's decision to delay, or put Naughty Dog's multiplayer on ice. Nobody knows whether that was/is a good or bad decision. People just assume that Naughty Dog's multiplayer would have been the best thing since sliced bred and Bungie just sabotaged that. Whether that is true or not nobody knows.

Then concerning Sony's missteps(?) in direction of GaaS: A very large fraction of players doesn't play anything other than COD, Fortnite, (ex-)FIFA, minecraft, roblox. I don't like any of these titles, and from my perspective any investment (marketing, financing development) is a waste of money. For Sony it is probably very beneficial. Am I interested in GaaS ? No. But, if this fills Sony's wallet to support more risky games, I am all in for that. So far, concerning Sony's recent GaaS attempts, GT7 seems quite successful (though, I don't really know, but I have my SP fun with it), and destruction all star presumably wasn't. Not sure whether there was any other attempt (?). Compared to those, I could imagine, that Bungie still does much better. I personally have no idea what makes up a successful GaaS game, and whether Bungie actually has some "unique" expertise in this field. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But, I would be surprised if anybody in here would have any clue.

Personally, I think GaaS are double-edged swords. On one hand people seem to get enjoyment out of a long running franchise with continuous evolution. On the other hand they exploit people's weakness and create some kind of addiction, and do not necessarily bring real enjoyment to people. But, I have not engaged into any, so I just imagine what it could be like.

Concerning IP acquisition: I don't think playstation is where playstation is by buying IPs. They managed to get interesting titles to playstation, and acquired expertise to create amazing new IPs, or acquired studios which had been in the process of developing new IPs. In that regard I don't think MS strategy to buy up every IP they can get hold of is a good strategy. It gives the illusion of amazing content, but is not necessarily a good investment in the future. But, maybe it is and everything we will play in the future will be cod, minecraft, doom and candy crush and never anything else.

Concerning playstation in general, at the moment there are few positive life signs from playstation studio's, so it is hard to say whether there is an amazing future ahead for playstation studio's or whether everything goes downhill from here on. Maybe we get some in December or we have to wait for the next year .

Weird times. On one hand one allows for market consolidation (recent huge acquisitions). On the other hand one tries to go against monopolistic behaviour.

• [+] loading speed. The loading times on ps4 often annoyed me. Not anymore on ps5 (that alone made the purchase worthwhile for me)
• [+] extra immersion: haptics, adaptive triggers in the controller, 3D audio
• [+] VR support without external camera, without breakout box, VR controller with thumbsticks, and headset haptics (I suppose not really part of the ps5 discussion, but ps5 was designed with VR in mind)
• [+] graphical fidelity: most games on ps5 run good enough, at good enough frame rate and resolution, the differences wrt. PC are typically not very significant. Though, already on ps4 many games already looked and played very good.
• [+] disk expansion: initially criticized for not being as simple as an expansion card, but turned out to be quite good solution (cost-wise). Default disk size on the other hand is never large enough, but was the same on ps4 and is mitigated by the expansion slot. Having said that, I am still ok with the stock disk size.
• [+] so far worked very reliable, very few crashes, no problem with updates. But, same was true for ps4.
• [0] ui: default theme much more pleasing on the eyes, other than that a few things are better, a few things are more convoluted.
• [-] design, size. very recognizable, but I cannot say I am a fan of a piece of plastic which tries to be a piece of art. But I guess the radiator for cooling has to go somewhere.

Presumably this is caused by people only playing psvr2 games and there are only very few physical releases /s

@Art_Vandelay I fully agree.

@Smiffy01 given that some people suffer motion sickness, that it does not allow for couch co-op, and is slightly more difficult to pass a headset around when playing with a group of friends, and that is more hassle than just picking up a controller, it certainly will never reach the same market share as console flat-screen gaming. At the moment there is also the still too steep entrance fee. But, if standalone hardware becomes good enough, VR might appeal to a much bigger audience than it currently does. And for many people who tried VR, flat games lost all appeal. Anyway it is still possible that the games industry will abandon VR and maybe even stop producing home console games and fully focus on mobile games only.

@Axelay71 This year GT7, call of the mountain. Also the VR modes of Re village and Re4 are likely fully paid by playstation. People always consider call of the mountain a glorified tech demo. But it is just a very accessible title and it is not horizon zero dawn, but a fun climbing game with arcade shooting. It is more tomb raider than horizon.

The market share of Vr does not allow for all of playstation's studios to develop vr games. Though, the amount of work to add a VR mode cannot be that much (e.g. hitman 3). Therefor I am still puzzled why there are not more examples like re village, hitman 3. In particular for old titles which have been remade it seems like a missed opportunity to not add a vr mode. The latter would make these old titles more interesting. I would say. But likely it all boils down, that at the moment it is difficult to make money with psvr2 titles, so they have to be developed on a very tight budget.

@Zeke68 Were did You see that ? Nobody is talking about that. If that was true everybody would just be talking about that. And I haven't heard a single person before.

@Art_Vandelay I have nothing against if you spend all Your money on supporting VR developpers. Can only make VR games better in the future

@dschons I am a bit afraid that the next astro bot will be a mobile game ...

@Art_Vandelay "The only downside to PSVR2 is that it totally ruined flat-screen gaming for me" fully support this. Flat-screen gaming now feels really ... flat. When I play a flat game I always think how fantastic this would be in VR ...

weird what is currently going on with playstation. PS5 sells apparently really well and ps is very confident that it will continue to do so despite few first party titles having released or being announced. It is also not clear how psvr2 is doing, At least some developers seem to be pretty happy with the software sales. So, it is apparently doing okay. It seems psvr2 is chucking along slowly on mostly quest ports and a few psvr2 exclusives or hybrids sprinkled in.
Maybe people here are just too impatient where normal people are just happy to have spiderman 2, and gt7+re8 in vr. Who knows ?

@Zeke68 I am pretty sure he never said "all PS5 games will support both regular TV and PSVR2"