Now I hope that Xbox (or XBOX) takes the chance to bring discs to the upcoming console. And makes short clips how to lend and sell Xbox games.
My digital PS library is small, my games are mainly on discs. And most of these games run great on PS5, with no need to play them on PS6. And with the exceptions of Astro Bot, Returnal and Saros, the PS Studios output for PS5 was pretty dire so far.
Maybe, should I really switch to Team Green? I have never had an Xbox controller in my hands.
@GraniteFraggle Yes, it seems that these discs have an individual ID.
And, if the rumour is true, the most ironical aspect: These IDs were supposedly added for the infamous online-only restriction for Xbox One, which was originally announced by Don Mattrick and later taken back.
These are all speculations by tech people. But if true, it’s interesting that Xbox still printed these IDs onto the discs, despite not needed for the original purpose any more.
Price shouldn’t be taken into account for the score:
While a game usually remains mostly unchanged for the majority of its lifetime, the price can drastically change over time and often does. This lets reviews like this here age like fine milk.
@Boxmonkey What you say is cynical, and I think it has more truth in it than most people would admit. But I think that firing some people won’t help, the whole mentality in this studio seems to be not suited for smaller, more modern games. Splitting up the studio into two smaller ones could help: one „Bethesda classic studio“ with all the „blades of grass aficionados“, and another studio with people with a more modern mindset, using Unreal Engine for games which take „only“ five years to make.
This is bad management. If you prioritise and even close studios (which is a viable solution btw), the prioritiesed studios must feel stronger and better prepared for the future. We see the opposite here.
Microsoft is profoundly damaging the core parts of the whole Xbox division.
@11001100110zero Sony knows what the fans want and ignore it. We are not representing the „modern gaming of tomorrow“. Sony cares what thr Roblox players want, they are the future - for Sony.
@themightyant You mean like the demo for DQ11, which contained some six (or more?) hours of gameplay, with the option to transfer the save state to the full game? No paid subscription needed!
@8th_Observer No, I say that these people are no heartless monsters but humans, and some of them even with a conscience. But that shouldn’t stop anyone from living with an ‚them up there, us down here’s mentality.
@NerdyPaul Nice prejudices! Do you really think that all of these people in charge are without empathy? I know people who had to lay off in masses, and they still suffer from this pressure. And they knew: If I am not the one who signs the decision, another is doing it, but I will have a hard time finding a new job.
@PlayNation5 I want good physical media. With a great version to play without required downloads: no HD texture packs, no patches, nothing.
Because I want the easiest preparation before a long journey (e.g. a long train ride for a business trip). I grap my Switch Lite and a cartridge: Metroid Dread? Ori? Super Mario 3D World? Dark Souls? Skyward Sword HD? And it just works!
It is possible for newer games as well. I bet that Wolverine, GoW Laufey and the upcoming Ocarina of Time for Switch 2 will deliver exactly that.
Crap like Crimson Desert, which will NEVER be in a great state, even after a hundred patches, doesn’t need discs, because these discs are hardly more than a Game Key Disc.
@NerdyPaul Problem with the DMA is that these platforms won‘t reach the high numbers for EU-wide revenue (7.5b euros per year) or alternatively market value (75b euros), 45m monthly end users and ten thousand affected commercial users. DMA aims for the very big platforms like Apple AppStore; console gaming is just too small.
@get2sammyb I hoped that with Hideaki Nishino, SIE will get on track again. But no: PlayStation doesn’t care about its fans anymore. Compared to the huge number of standard customers (who like their COD, Fortnite, Roblox, Gatcha), the PS fanbase is very small, and fans often have an irrationally positive stance towards their object of fanatism.
The concept of physical game media was already diluted when the day-one patch became the norm and people got used to it.
The version on the disc is often a poor experience, and that‘s what you get when there is no internet connection or, after many years, no server for updates left.
Thankfully, there are publishers with a good track record of stable, performant and complete versions on the disc/cartridge. Let’s celebrate the old Sony!
@get2sammyb „this backlash is going to last a long, long time“
People are good in forgiving and forgetting when the price to pay (digital-only) is small enough compared to the outcome (lovely, lovely games). And SIE’s marketing department knows that, they probably analysed all these failed boycott attempts over a span of several decades now.
@Lanmanna The business model for GameStop can‘t be selling plushies and other gaming kitsch. There’s a reason why they want to swallow eBay. Retailers for games apart from electronics markets will vanish, easy as that.
PS6 will get an optional disc drive, but it will only play PS4 and PS5 games (and video discs), because PS6 games will be digital-only (in PS Store or als code-in-the-box).
@tselliot This delusion sucks. Yes, there are 92m PS5, but 34m Xbox Series X/S is more than „3“, even metaphorically. And I doubt that the version for Series S will be poor, people will have a lot of fun with this game.
@nomither6 BS. The producer or the developers decide what the target framerate is for the target platform. And then the game is designed accordingly.
That‘s the ideal process, and R* follows it. There are other studios of cause. Crimson Desert is more like „We design something and hope that the framerate will not collapse too hard“.
At this point, instead of a PS6, I think in 2027 we will rather see a digital-only PS5 Slim Slim with a smaller form factor and only 450 GB storage for $350.
AI is a really helpful tool for my daily work, despite not having access to the „full“ Copilot with its function to analyse my whole Outlook mailbox. AI makes so many daily tasks much easier and less stressful!
I agree with Sony. Of course, when prices rise, it is not demand that changes, but supply. And this results in a different volume sold and a different equilibrium price. As you can see, with clever definitions you can talk your way out of many situations!
Sony should postpone PS6 or radically redesign it to achieve lower costs and prices.
A PS6 at a ridiculously high price could suffer: high initial sales by the enthusiasts, then the sudden drop, destroying the reputation for a very long time. And nobody wants to risk a Wii U fate.
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Re: Two of PS5's Biggest Games Will Crossover This Winter
„Two of PS5‘s Biggest…“
See thumbnail.
Aha.
Re: Poll: Are You Hyped for These 9 New PS Plus Games?
„None of them, to be honest“
Re: This Wolverine PS5 Trailer Is Going to Sell a Lot of Copies This Holiday
Looks like a game with a wit that even the most clueless 12-years old will understand. The opposite of subtlety.
But the Insomniac formula seems to sell, and I‘m not the target audience. That’s fine.
Re: Look Away Now, Sony: Demand for Mortal Shell 2 in Physical Form Sees PS5 Boxed Copies Sell Out
With the end of physical games in general and these special editions in particular, gaming will lose so much of its soul.
PlayStation is becoming a soulless product. Because soul is something you can’t measure and put as a value into a spreadsheet.
Re: Anticipated RPG The Blood of Dawnwalker Goes Gold 7 Weeks Before PS5 Release
Definitively one of the most interesting releases this year. I assume it’s not the next Witcher 3, but you never know.
Re: 60+ PS5, PS4 Games to Buy in PS Store's Massive Summer Sale
Play The Talos Principle 2!
Play The Talos Principle 2!
Re: Sony's Social Media Still Toxic Two Weeks After PS5 Discs Debacle
Now I hope that Xbox (or XBOX) takes the chance to bring discs to the upcoming console. And makes short clips how to lend and sell Xbox games.
My digital PS library is small, my games are mainly on discs. And most of these games run great on PS5, with no need to play them on PS6. And with the exceptions of Astro Bot, Returnal and Saros, the PS Studios output for PS5 was pretty dire so far.
Maybe, should I really switch to Team Green? I have never had an Xbox controller in my hands.
Re: Mini Review: Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (PS5) - Overcharged for a Multiplayer Classic
And I still say: Keep the price out of the score. Prices change, and everyone has a different budget and willingness to pay.
I‘d pay 80 euros for a Bloodborne with 60 fps in the blink of an eye, even if it’s only 1080p.
Re: PS5's Physical Disc Debacle Will Attract More Anger if This Xbox Rumour Is True
@GraniteFraggle Yes, it seems that these discs have an individual ID.
And, if the rumour is true, the most ironical aspect: These IDs were supposedly added for the infamous online-only restriction for Xbox One, which was originally announced by Don Mattrick and later taken back.
These are all speculations by tech people. But if true, it’s interesting that Xbox still printed these IDs onto the discs, despite not needed for the original purpose any more.
Re: 'Bare Bones' PS5 Black Ops Ports Reportedly Have More Players Than Latest Game, Already Best Sellers on PS Store
Stupid people! They didn’t read the review here, so they didn’t know that they can’t have enough fun in relation to the price.
These games look like boosted PS3 games; it’s a wonder how the gamers back then could have fun at all playing these games on PS3.
Re: Call of Duty: Black Ops (PS5) - One Big Rip-Off
Price shouldn’t be taken into account for the score:
While a game usually remains mostly unchanged for the majority of its lifetime, the price can drastically change over time and often does. This lets reviews like this here age like fine milk.
Re: The Elder Scrolls 6 Heavily Impacted by Xbox Layoffs, Team Morale at Rock Bottom
@Boxmonkey What you say is cynical, and I think it has more truth in it than most people would admit. But I think that firing some people won’t help, the whole mentality in this studio seems to be not suited for smaller, more modern games. Splitting up the studio into two smaller ones could help: one „Bethesda classic studio“ with all the „blades of grass aficionados“, and another studio with people with a more modern mindset, using Unreal Engine for games which take „only“ five years to make.
Re: The Elder Scrolls 6 Heavily Impacted by Xbox Layoffs, Team Morale at Rock Bottom
This is bad management. If you prioritise and even close studios (which is a viable solution btw), the prioritiesed studios must feel stronger and better prepared for the future. We see the opposite here.
Microsoft is profoundly damaging the core parts of the whole Xbox division.
Re: 50+ Digital PS3, PS Vita Games to Buy Before It's Too Late
With fewer options to obtain games legally, non-legal options become more and more attractive.
Re: PlayStation's First Post Since Physical Games Debacle Draws 57k Replies
@11001100110zero Sony knows what the fans want and ignore it. We are not representing the „modern gaming of tomorrow“. Sony cares what thr Roblox players want, they are the future - for Sony.
Re: Reaction: Sony Needs to Start Speaking to Us Again
This is the cheapest poll I‘ve ever seen on this website.
Re: PS Plus Premium Members Can Now Trial Saros, One of 2026's Best PS5 Games
@themightyant You mean like the demo for DQ11, which contained some six (or more?) hours of gameplay, with the option to transfer the save state to the full game? No paid subscription needed!
Re: PS Plus Premium Members Can Now Trial Saros, One of 2026's Best PS5 Games
Demos are back, and I love it. But paying for getting access to a demo is a very Sony thing.
Re: 'I Know This Is Painful': Xbox Confirms 3,200 Job Losses in Industry Bloodbath
@8th_Observer No, I say that these people are no heartless monsters but humans, and some of them even with a conscience. But that shouldn’t stop anyone from living with an ‚them up there, us down here’s mentality.
Re: 'I Know This Is Painful': Xbox Confirms 3,200 Job Losses in Industry Bloodbath
@NerdyPaul Nice prejudices! Do you really think that all of these people in charge are without empathy? I know people who had to lay off in masses, and they still suffer from this pressure. And they knew: If I am not the one who signs the decision, another is doing it, but I will have a hard time finding a new job.
Re: 'I Know This Is Painful': Xbox Confirms 3,200 Job Losses in Industry Bloodbath
@UltimateOtaku91 Can you also see that prople are moving away from PlayStation? Unlike Microsoft, Sony closed studios. Finito!
Re: Rumour: Xbox Still Weighing Up Physical Disc Support for Project Helix After Sony Bombshell
@get2sammyb I disagree. Many Xbox and Xbox 360 discs work perfectly fine in an Xbox Series X. Try this with your PS2 and PS3 discs!
Re: Stunning Single Player Game Blood Message Exploring PS5 Pro Upscaling, Ray Tracing
This is beta (alpha?) PC footage. We don’t know anything about the final PS5 graphics.
Re: Sony Will Have Capacity to Continue Manufacturing Some Game Discs Beyond 2028 Cut-Off Date
@PlayNation5 I want good physical media. With a great version to play without required downloads: no HD texture packs, no patches, nothing.
Because I want the easiest preparation before a long journey (e.g. a long train ride for a business trip). I grap my Switch Lite and a cartridge: Metroid Dread? Ori? Super Mario 3D World? Dark Souls? Skyward Sword HD? And it just works!
It is possible for newer games as well. I bet that Wolverine, GoW Laufey and the upcoming Ocarina of Time for Switch 2 will deliver exactly that.
Crap like Crimson Desert, which will NEVER be in a great state, even after a hundred patches, doesn’t need discs, because these discs are hardly more than a Game Key Disc.
Re: PS5 Disc Drives Limited to One Per Order, Sony Acknowledges High Demand
Sony got humour!
Re: Sony Rewarded with Soaring Stocks After Revealing All-Digital Future
@nessisonett There are more shareholders in the world (and probably in your neighbourhood) than you think.
(I have only property loans…)
Re: Sony Rewarded with Soaring Stocks After Revealing All-Digital Future
Every gamer (even those with all-digital libraries) hates Sony‘s move towards an „adorably all-digital future“.
And we all know that Sony will get away with it, hence the rise in the stock price.
Re: Even Politicians Are Commenting on Sony's Decision to Stop Making Physical Games
@NerdyPaul Problem with the DMA is that these platforms won‘t reach the high numbers for EU-wide revenue (7.5b euros per year) or alternatively market value (75b euros), 45m monthly end users and ten thousand affected commercial users. DMA aims for the very big platforms like Apple AppStore; console gaming is just too small.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation's Reputation Is at Rock Bottom - Where Do We Go from Here?
PlayStation is NOT at rock bottom. Hermen can still close some studios which didn’t release a new game for a while or never.
Bend?
Haven?
Media Molecule?
Nixxes?
So many opportunities. Choose one!
Naugh…
Re: PlayStation's Plan to Kill Physical Games Has Spawned Not One But Many Online Petitions
I hope that the EU will force Sony to open its ecosystem for third-party stores, as Brussels did with Apple.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation's Burned Through the Last Remaining Goodwill of Its Fans
@get2sammyb I hoped that with Hideaki Nishino, SIE will get on track again. But no: PlayStation doesn’t care about its fans anymore. Compared to the huge number of standard customers (who like their COD, Fortnite, Roblox, Gatcha), the PS fanbase is very small, and fans often have an irrationally positive stance towards their object of fanatism.
Sony just can afford it to ignore us!
Re: Reaction: PlayStation's Burned Through the Last Remaining Goodwill of Its Fans
The concept of physical game media was already diluted when the day-one patch became the norm and people got used to it.
The version on the disc is often a poor experience, and that‘s what you get when there is no internet connection or, after many years, no server for updates left.
Thankfully, there are publishers with a good track record of stable, performant and complete versions on the disc/cartridge. Let’s celebrate the old Sony!
Re: Sony Takes Social Media Time Out After Controversially Killing Physical Games
@get2sammyb „this backlash is going to last a long, long time“
People are good in forgiving and forgetting when the price to pay (digital-only) is small enough compared to the outcome (lovely, lovely games). And SIE’s marketing department knows that, they probably analysed all these failed boycott attempts over a span of several decades now.
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for July 2026 Announced
Sony really spoils us today!
Re: Just 15% of All PS5 Software Was Purchased Physically Last Quarter
@get2sammyb „but it’s also important to […] understand why this is happening as well.“
It’s about to get rid of the retailers and the second-hand market. Sony can set all conditions in PS Store.
You must be in a great position to act arrogantly. And PlayStation definitively is!
Re: PS3, PS Vita Digital Stores to Close Starting Later This Year
„Don’t worry, dear PS6 customers, you will be able to download your favourite games… Until when? Well, let yourselves be surprised!“
Re: PlayStation Consoles to Stop Getting Disc-Based Physical Releases in 2028
@Lanmanna The business model for GameStop can‘t be selling plushies and other gaming kitsch. There’s a reason why they want to swallow eBay. Retailers for games apart from electronics markets will vanish, easy as that.
Re: PS3, PS Vita Digital Stores to Close Starting Later This Year
Sony seems very confident with the release of the PS6, these steps indicate.
Re: PlayStation Consoles to Stop Getting Disc-Based Physical Releases in 2028
I‘d short GameStop shares right now (if I had the money to do so).
Re: PlayStation Consoles to Stop Getting Disc-Based Physical Releases in 2028
I repeat my prediction:
PS6 will get an optional disc drive, but it will only play PS4 and PS5 games (and video discs), because PS6 games will be digital-only (in PS Store or als code-in-the-box).
Re: PlayStation Consoles to Stop Getting Disc-Based Physical Releases in 2028
PS6 digital-only, a dream (nightmare?) coming true!
Re: Now Even Rockstar Says GTA 6 Plays Best on PS5
@tselliot This delusion sucks. Yes, there are 92m PS5, but 34m Xbox Series X/S is more than „3“, even metaphorically. And I doubt that the version for Series S will be poor, people will have a lot of fun with this game.
Re: Now Even Rockstar Says GTA 6 Plays Best on PS5
@nomither6 BS. The producer or the developers decide what the target framerate is for the target platform. And then the game is designed accordingly.
That‘s the ideal process, and R* follows it. There are other studios of cause. Crimson Desert is more like „We design something and hope that the framerate will not collapse too hard“.
Re: Rumour: State of Decay 3 Dev Also Facing Xbox Axe, Just Weeks After Game Was Revealed for PS5
Everyone‘s talking about Microsoft‘s State of Decay, but nobody‘s talking about Microsoft‘s state of decay.
Re: Sony Tiptoes Over PS6 Release Date, But Insists It Won't Just Follow Xbox
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Re: Sony Tiptoes Over PS6 Release Date, But Insists It Won't Just Follow Xbox
At this point, instead of a PS6, I think in 2027 we will rather see a digital-only PS5 Slim Slim with a smaller form factor and only 450 GB storage for $350.
Re: Sony Says AI Is a 'Foundational Technology' and 'Exciting Long-Term Opportunity' for Its PS6 Strategy
AI is a really helpful tool for my daily work, despite not having access to the „full“ Copilot with its function to analyse my whole Outlook mailbox. AI makes so many daily tasks much easier and less stressful!
Re: No Drop-Off in PS5 Demand Despite Price Increases, Says Sony
I agree with Sony. Of course, when prices rise, it is not demand that changes, but supply. And this results in a different volume sold and a different equilibrium price. As you can see, with clever definitions you can talk your way out of many situations!
Re: PS5 Dominates Xbox for Single Player Games, New Data Suggests
So THAT‘S the reason for this push to live-service games. Big Jimbo and Hermen wanted us to play less with ourselves and more with others.
Love-service games, basically?
Re: Rumour: PS6 Costs Sony Almost $1,000 to Make Right Now
Sony should postpone PS6 or radically redesign it to achieve lower costs and prices.
A PS6 at a ridiculously high price could suffer: high initial sales by the enthusiasts, then the sudden drop, destroying the reputation for a very long time. And nobody wants to risk a Wii U fate.