I too can build a top of the line cutting edge PC if I really wanted to (it would be a complete waste of money, though.)
I chose to have a computer in the ~1500 range instead.
If someone can build a beast of a PC just to play games (which would easily be north of 2k) why not spend another 400 to have a PS5?
Only a gaming obsessed person would shell out that kind of money for a PC; a serious gamer wouldn't want to play Horizon or The Last of Us when it comes out? Two years is a long time to wait when you love to play games.
It seems to me the investment into the PS5 is miniscule for the type of people who have the means to build a serious gaming PC. And those type of people really like games, so why not also buy a PS5?
If it's because they can't stand to play at checkerboard 4k or under 120 fps then if the game doesn't come to PC they don't get to play it at all. Might as well buy the console.
There is a difference between a remaster and a remake. You can't compare this Tomb Raider trilogy remaster to the Crash Bandicoot and Spyro remakes. Those were rebuilt from the ground up.
If it was a remake I'd buy this. This looks more like a dressed up Minecraft.
@PixelDragon if anything this post makes the case for PC users to buy a PlayStation. They get an amazing gaming machine for potentially under 400.
So why aren't they then? Why are they willing to wait two years to play game that may come to PC? Why don't they just buy the PS5 then? There are plenty of them available in stock now and they're even being discounted.
Call me petty but I don't care, first party games should remain Sony console exclusives, I don't care if they came out 5 years ago.
One day when the PlayStation console becomes just an "optional but not required to play Sony games" prebuilt PC you'll understand.
You know damned well that developers are probably already designing games with the PC in mind if they release them there in under two years. So you can kiss optimization for the console goodbye.
And I bet that window between console and PC release will shrink over time.
If PC players want to play Sony games they should buy a PlayStation. How antiquated of me!
@trev666 I generally agree with you and others, 1st one is 9/10 but the 2nd is a 7/10, for me.
Something about the second one that just didn't live up to my hopes. Maybe it's the fact that I already knew everything about the world.
A lot of the wonder from the first game was when I first stumbled into a cave underground and saw all that technology.
We also had Aloy develop as a character in the first; in the second, like someone said, she was well known and always treated like a god.
And the dialogue from Aloy was kind of annoying. She talked way too much, was always sounding down, and gave hints about what to do within 10 seconds of showing up to any new area.
I don't know what they will do in the third game, but I hope they can recapture some of that magic, wonder and mystery from the first game.
I think a lot of people piled on just to be part of the bandwagon.
I enjoyed this game, the world was stunning, the graphics were absolutely amazing, the story was fantastic, the weapons were unique and wonderful, and the ending is just begging for a sequel.
I can't believe they would just abandon such a rich world so full of potential.
@PegasusActual93 I went outside, got married, had kids and I STILL think western developers (during the last 10 but especially the last 5 years) in general avoid very pretty women in games like it's a new strain of COVID.
The guys though? They all still seem very masculine and built. I find that interesting.
Pretty girls don't fit the progressives' vision of society.
@ChakaL00T If it makes you feel any better I bought a mini split heat pump in 2021 and only after 2 years there's a coolant leak that the guys that installed it can't even find. And they charged me 300 dollars just for adding coolant back in and now two months later the coolant is gone again!
Sometimes we're unlucky. I have a problem with electronics, I'm always thinking they're on the verge of breaking down on me.
@AhmadSumadi I will agree the video game industry is different from other industries as laziness and complacency is a little harder to get away with compared to other industries.
I also don't think Sony is lazy or complacent (yet.) I do think though that if the XBOX One was more competitive, we would see more risks from Sony and less remakes/remasters.
As much as I love games from older generations, I'd rather see exciting new IPs. Developers are a finite supply, if you have people working on remakes and remasters, you have less people working on new IPs.
@AhmadSumadi This comment makes no sense because that would mean theoretically, the best way to drive the maximum amount of innovation and creativity would be to eliminate all the competition.
No competition means you don't have to try as hard, this is simple economics and the reason we have anti-monopoly laws.
@naruball I don't think Sony is complacent or lazy (at the moment.) I'm saying I don't want them to become like that one day because of a lack of competition. That hurts us the players. Nobody thought Intel would ever get lazy either but they did.
Sony is still pushing strong because they still have momentum from their blockbuster PS4 console.
I do think that if the latest XBOX systems were neck and neck with the PS4 and/or PS5, we would have less remakes and remasters and more original content and more risk taking.
My comment was more a general statement, not necessarily an approval of the acquisition. I'm not sure how I feel about the acquisition. I know my position sounds boring but like everything in the real world and not how they are portrayed on the internet, things are nuanced and complex.
Ideally Microsoft doesn't have to buy other studios to be competitive. For example the Ori games were fantastic and they were developed internally.
And I disagree with @naruball with regards to competition. The PS4 succeeded because they got their butt whipped with the PS3. That was the catalyst to getting Sony to refocus on their mission.
I know in the end both the PS3 and 360 sold similar amount of consoles, but the XBOX 360 sales exploded (almost 4 times more console sales) compared to the original XBOX while the PS3 sold only half as many as the PS2 sales figures.
That's a failure. I honestly believe that without a successful XBOX 360, we wouldn't have the successful PS4.
@Jimmer-jammer I appreciate your detailed response and we are basically in agreement.
I've just seen multiple arguments made over the years about how "if such and such money was spent on feeding the poor or housing people it would be so much better" from people who have no understanding of economics.
@Jimmer-jammer I say Sony and Microsoft liquidate all their assets and fire their combined 350,000 employees and take that money and feed and shelter people around the world.
Anyone who engages in gaming is a greedy capitalist that enjoys watching good money and resources go to frivolous activities instead of feeding starving people.
@Eagly Some people want the most mundane, meaningless work to pay a livable wage. That's not realistic. I'm not saying that's what these workers are btw just to be clear. I'm making a more general statement.
Were they earning an unlivable wage? I don't know.
I am actually quite pro union but when someone like McDonald's or Starbucks workers unionize I think it's silly and takes away from the importance of the pro union message.
I never got into Harry Potter. That also means I know practically zero references and characters. Can someone with zero knowledge of this world enjoy the game?
The game does look good and I might consider trying it just like I would consider any other game if it had a good story, fun combat and good graphics.
Her voice never really bothered me in the first game, but the constant chatter and giving huge clues within 5 seconds of reaching a puzzle area in Forbidden West was really irritating.
@nathanSF I did the same with the first game. I explored even after I finished the game.
I preferred the soundtrack of the first game much more while exploring. The second game had a few good tracks but the ones I liked only played in some small certain sections.
I definitely didn't feel the same pull to exploring Forbidden West the way I did Zero Dawn.
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Re: Horizon Forbidden West's Rumoured Complete Edition Tipped for PC
@PixelDragon if I was super obsessed with games where I'd spend a ton of money on a gaming PC I'd probably own a PS5 and Switch as well.
I'd want to play every game on whatever platform they were available on.
I knew some kids growing up with more means than my family that owned both the Nintendo NES/SNES and the Genesis.
I even knew one kid that had the NES/SNES, Genesis and the Turbografx-16.
Talk about obsessed lol
Re: Horizon Forbidden West's Rumoured Complete Edition Tipped for PC
@PixelDragon
I too can build a top of the line cutting edge PC if I really wanted to (it would be a complete waste of money, though.)
I chose to have a computer in the ~1500 range instead.
If someone can build a beast of a PC just to play games (which would easily be north of 2k) why not spend another 400 to have a PS5?
Only a gaming obsessed person would shell out that kind of money for a PC; a serious gamer wouldn't want to play Horizon or The Last of Us when it comes out? Two years is a long time to wait when you love to play games.
It seems to me the investment into the PS5 is miniscule for the type of people who have the means to build a serious gaming PC. And those type of people really like games, so why not also buy a PS5?
If it's because they can't stand to play at checkerboard 4k or under 120 fps then if the game doesn't come to PC they don't get to play it at all. Might as well buy the console.
I just don't see why they wouldn't.
Re: The Original Tomb Raider Trilogy Returns in Remaster Collection on PS5, PS4
There is a difference between a remaster and a remake. You can't compare this Tomb Raider trilogy remaster to the Crash Bandicoot and Spyro remakes. Those were rebuilt from the ground up.
If it was a remake I'd buy this. This looks more like a dressed up Minecraft.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West's Rumoured Complete Edition Tipped for PC
@PixelDragon if anything this post makes the case for PC users to buy a PlayStation. They get an amazing gaming machine for potentially under 400.
So why aren't they then? Why are they willing to wait two years to play game that may come to PC? Why don't they just buy the PS5 then? There are plenty of them available in stock now and they're even being discounted.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West's Rumoured Complete Edition Tipped for PC
Call me petty but I don't care, first party games should remain Sony console exclusives, I don't care if they came out 5 years ago.
One day when the PlayStation console becomes just an "optional but not required to play Sony games" prebuilt PC you'll understand.
You know damned well that developers are probably already designing games with the PC in mind if they release them there in under two years. So you can kiss optimization for the console goodbye.
And I bet that window between console and PC release will shrink over time.
If PC players want to play Sony games they should buy a PlayStation. How antiquated of me!
Btw I own both a pretty decent PC and a PS5.
Re: Looks Like One of PS5's Best Games Is Getting a Complete Edition
@trev666 I generally agree with you and others, 1st one is 9/10 but the 2nd is a 7/10, for me.
Something about the second one that just didn't live up to my hopes. Maybe it's the fact that I already knew everything about the world.
A lot of the wonder from the first game was when I first stumbled into a cave underground and saw all that technology.
We also had Aloy develop as a character in the first; in the second, like someone said, she was well known and always treated like a god.
And the dialogue from Aloy was kind of annoying. She talked way too much, was always sounding down, and gave hints about what to do within 10 seconds of showing up to any new area.
I don't know what they will do in the third game, but I hope they can recapture some of that magic, wonder and mystery from the first game.
Re: Blasphemous 2 (PS5) - A Marvellously Macabre Metroidvania
I've been noticing a trend where art and cutscenes are ultra realistic and then the gameplay itself is in 16 or 8 bit mode.
Re: Play WipEout in Your Web Browser While Fans Pray for Sony to Bring the Series Back
I played Wipeout XL on the PS1 and it felt so fast.
When I played a Wipeout game on PS2 it felt sluggish as hell.
I don't know what they did but it just didn't feel exhilarating like the PS1 games did.
Re: Bloodborne Just the Beginning! The Order: 1886 Gets Unofficial 60fps Patch on PS5
@Jacko11
I think a lot of people piled on just to be part of the bandwagon.
I enjoyed this game, the world was stunning, the graphics were absolutely amazing, the story was fantastic, the weapons were unique and wonderful, and the ending is just begging for a sequel.
I can't believe they would just abandon such a rich world so full of potential.
Re: Larian Employed Intimacy Coordinators to Aid in Developing Baldur's Gate 3's Sex Scenes
Removed; user is banned
Re: Rumour: Tekken 8 Leak Confirms More Returning Characters
@KAIRU Yoshimitsu and Roger were the only characters I learned the entire selection of combos available.
Re: Larian Employed Intimacy Coordinators to Aid in Developing Baldur's Gate 3's Sex Scenes
@tallythwack Collect a paycheck.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Will Feature the Same Mary Jane Face Model, Insomniac Insists
That being said I think she looks better in Spiderman 2, mostly because of her longer hair.
I'm surprised they didn't shave her head on one side and paint her hair blue.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Will Feature the Same Mary Jane Face Model, Insomniac Insists
@PegasusActual93 I went outside, got married, had kids and I STILL think western developers (during the last 10 but especially the last 5 years) in general avoid very pretty women in games like it's a new strain of COVID.
The guys though? They all still seem very masculine and built. I find that interesting.
Pretty girls don't fit the progressives' vision of society.
Re: Told You So! Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Really Wouldn't Have Worked on PS4
@Triumph741 oh really?
Can you list some mid range parts that will play a game better than the PS5?
Like how much money are we talking about here?
Re: PS5's Remote Play Portable Appears to Leak Online
This thing is hideous and looks very awkward to hold. Your hands are like 10 inches (25cm) apart.
Re: The Latest PS5 Firmware Update Is Available Now, Here Are the Patch Notes
@ChakaL00T If it makes you feel any better I bought a mini split heat pump in 2021 and only after 2 years there's a coolant leak that the guys that installed it can't even find. And they charged me 300 dollars just for adding coolant back in and now two months later the coolant is gone again!
Sometimes we're unlucky. I have a problem with electronics, I'm always thinking they're on the verge of breaking down on me.
Re: PS5 Sales Spike a Staggering 116% in Europe
@AhmadSumadi I will agree the video game industry is different from other industries as laziness and complacency is a little harder to get away with compared to other industries.
I also don't think Sony is lazy or complacent (yet.) I do think though that if the XBOX One was more competitive, we would see more risks from Sony and less remakes/remasters.
As much as I love games from older generations, I'd rather see exciting new IPs. Developers are a finite supply, if you have people working on remakes and remasters, you have less people working on new IPs.
Re: PS5 Sales Spike a Staggering 116% in Europe
@AhmadSumadi This comment makes no sense because that would mean theoretically, the best way to drive the maximum amount of innovation and creativity would be to eliminate all the competition.
No competition means you don't have to try as hard, this is simple economics and the reason we have anti-monopoly laws.
Re: PS5 Sales Spike a Staggering 116% in Europe
@4kgk2 I think that's their way of competiting, which I have said is not ideal.
Re: PS5 Sales Spike a Staggering 116% in Europe
@naruball I don't think Sony is complacent or lazy (at the moment.) I'm saying I don't want them to become like that one day because of a lack of competition. That hurts us the players. Nobody thought Intel would ever get lazy either but they did.
Sony is still pushing strong because they still have momentum from their blockbuster PS4 console.
I do think that if the latest XBOX systems were neck and neck with the PS4 and/or PS5, we would have less remakes and remasters and more original content and more risk taking.
Re: PS5 Sales Spike a Staggering 116% in Europe
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
My comment was more a general statement, not necessarily an approval of the acquisition. I'm not sure how I feel about the acquisition. I know my position sounds boring but like everything in the real world and not how they are portrayed on the internet, things are nuanced and complex.
Ideally Microsoft doesn't have to buy other studios to be competitive. For example the Ori games were fantastic and they were developed internally.
And I disagree with @naruball with regards to competition. The PS4 succeeded because they got their butt whipped with the PS3. That was the catalyst to getting Sony to refocus on their mission.
I know in the end both the PS3 and 360 sold similar amount of consoles, but the XBOX 360 sales exploded (almost 4 times more console sales) compared to the original XBOX while the PS3 sold only half as many as the PS2 sales figures.
That's a failure. I honestly believe that without a successful XBOX 360, we wouldn't have the successful PS4.
Re: PS5 Sales Spike a Staggering 116% in Europe
If you want a successful Sony, you want a competitive XBOX. I don't get the XBOX bashing from some posters.
A weak XBOX will just bring complacency and laziness from Sony.
Look at what happened to Intel.
So if you're a Sony fan (and I am one) I want to see a successful and competitive XBOX.
Re: Script for HBO's Last of Us Season 2 Premiere Beats WGA Strike Deadline
@CKFilms I don't think Bella Ramsey will change at all, not one iota.
Re: FTC Fails to Delay Microsoft's $69 Billion Buyout of Activision Blizzard
@Jimmer-jammer I appreciate your detailed response and we are basically in agreement.
I've just seen multiple arguments made over the years about how "if such and such money was spent on feeding the poor or housing people it would be so much better" from people who have no understanding of economics.
Re: FTC Fails to Delay Microsoft's $69 Billion Buyout of Activision Blizzard
@Jimmer-jammer It's the logical conclusion of your point. Gaming is 100% a waste of resources, time and money.
Re: FTC Fails to Delay Microsoft's $69 Billion Buyout of Activision Blizzard
@Jimmer-jammer I say Sony and Microsoft liquidate all their assets and fire their combined 350,000 employees and take that money and feed and shelter people around the world.
Anyone who engages in gaming is a greedy capitalist that enjoys watching good money and resources go to frivolous activities instead of feeding starving people.
Re: Price of Fortnite's V-Bucks Set to Change in Select North American Regions, UK Because Inflation
Who cares. Maybe the parents can exercise some control over their children for once.
You don't need V Bucks to play the game.
The excuse is nonsense but so is the whining.
Re: Final Fantasy 16's PS5 File Size Pegged At 90.1GB
Damn and that's with PS5's much better compression.
Re: PS5 Title Pragmata Finally Reappears Only to Confirm an Indefinite Delay
This is disappointing. I'm glad we got to see a few snippets though.
I've been intrigued with this game ever since its debut all those years ago.
Re: Psychological Oil Rig Horror Still Wakes the Deep Plunges PS5 Next Year
The graphics in this look absolutely outstanding! My goodness it looks incredible.
Re: Sonic Superstars Is a New Spin on 2D Hedgehog Action, Hits PS5, PS4 in 2023
Wow this looks amazing! This is what I have been waiting for since the 90s.
I always hated all the 3d games.
Re: PS5 Showpiece Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Jumps to the PC Dimension in July
Unless the game requirements say you need a 5,500mbps SSD to play it I think we got duped.
I think any Sony games going to PC is BS. Ported games are just a straight up money grab.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2 PS5 Hype Huge As Gameplay Reveal Nears 20 Million Views
Opening combat scene is giving me major Edge of Tomorrow vibes. He's behaving just like the aliens in the movie.
Re: Phantom Blade Zero, the Awesome PS5 Action Game from PS Showcase, Sounds Too Good to Be True
The gameplay looks like a video being played back at 1.25x speed.
It just looks off.
Re: Random: Gran Turismo Director Solicits WipEout Lore Expert, Gets Former Psygnosis Dev
@sanderson72
Soundtrack was great. Wipeout XL was a great game. It felt like you were going so fast.
When later versions came out though like for the PS2 the hovercraft felt sluggish.
Does anyone else agree?
Re: Claims of Co-Op in Spider-Man 2 Shot Down by Insomniac
MP games might be the industry's biggest moneymaker but single player games are the industry's soul.
Re: Impressive and Beautiful Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Made with 'No Compromises' for PS5
We need an update on Pragmata
Re: Casting for HBO's The Last of Us Season 2 Grinds to a Halt as WGA Strike Continues
@Eagly Some people want the most mundane, meaningless work to pay a livable wage. That's not realistic. I'm not saying that's what these workers are btw just to be clear. I'm making a more general statement.
Were they earning an unlivable wage? I don't know.
I am actually quite pro union but when someone like McDonald's or Starbucks workers unionize I think it's silly and takes away from the importance of the pro union message.
Re: Casting for HBO's The Last of Us Season 2 Grinds to a Halt as WGA Strike Continues
Who cares. I know the ending anyway.
Re: Hollow Knight: Silksong Delayed Out of Specific 2023 Release Window
No other game has made me curse, yell and scream as much as Hollow Knight.
Not even close.
Re: Hogwarts Legacy's PS5 Sales Are Magical, and It's Out Now on PS4 Too
Does this game have a solid story and campaign?
I never got into Harry Potter. That also means I know practically zero references and characters. Can someone with zero knowledge of this world enjoy the game?
The game does look good and I might consider trying it just like I would consider any other game if it had a good story, fun combat and good graphics.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West: Burning Shores' Seyka Shares the Story Behind Her Alter-Ego's High Ponytail
A whole article based on a tweet and a ponytail.
Re: Surprise! Guerrilla Games Pretty Much Confirms Horizon 3
Maybe they'll let you play as a mute Aloy.
Her voice never really bothered me in the first game, but the constant chatter and giving huge clues within 5 seconds of reaching a puzzle area in Forbidden West was really irritating.
Re: The Order 1886's Dev Ripped Apart by Facebook Owner After Acquisition
The Order: 1886 was a fun game that I enjoyed very much despite being short.
The world was amazing, the technology was amazing, the characters were very likeable and the story is very entertaining.
It's also one of the best games I've ever seen graphics wise, it blows most other games out of the water.
There was and IS incredible potential in this IP and for years I have been hoping Sony would do something with it.
I'm still holding out hope.
Re: Everyone's Talking About the End of Horizon Forbidden West: Burning Shores on PS5
I went straight to making this comment without reading the article or other commentary to say this:
What is wrong with people and websites spoiling the crap out of entertainment media such as games and TV?
Why were there articles about Picard finale Thursday morning?
Why are there articles discussing the ending of a DLC that's been out for 24 hours?
Re: Horizon Forbidden West: Burning Shores (PS5) - Aloy's New Chapter Is Essential for Fans
@nathanSF I did the same with the first game. I explored even after I finished the game.
I preferred the soundtrack of the first game much more while exploring. The second game had a few good tracks but the ones I liked only played in some small certain sections.
I definitely didn't feel the same pull to exploring Forbidden West the way I did Zero Dawn.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Horizon Forbidden West: Burning Shores?
@Tr3mm0r Serious question how do you have a PS5 but can't afford a 19.99 DLC?
Re: Scalped PS5 Prices Plummet as Retail Stock Surges
They got greedy and sat on too much inventory instead of selling near cost.
Screw them
Re: Gallery: Is Horizon Forbidden West: Burning Shores the Best Looking Game Ever?
Can anyone say if the DLC has other environments besides the "tropical" looking one in the screenshots above without spoiling the game?
@Zeke68
R&C Rift Apart truly looks like a 100 million dollar first class animated film. I loved that game so much.