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So in conclusion, buy ALL versions and also a digital deluxe copy, just to be safe.

@get2sammyb actually it's not identical, the PS4 version is much more valuable! You get a PS4 copy for your PS4 and a PS5 copy for your PS5. (Yes you'd have to move the disc if you go physical). If you buy just the PS5 version it won't run on a PS4...

Yep, you'll barely find an enthusiast/hardcore gamer that cares, but as usual this will be up there with whatever EA sports game for top multiplatform seller of the year.

The Indie additions seem fine, if niche. But the service really needs an eye catching recent and big game every month. I suppose Vice City is meant to be it, but it's gone down like a turd in the punch bowl.

It's a shame you have to buy both. I'd have paid half the price to play Uncharted 4 again on my PS5 but don't need or want both ATM. Will wait til a big sale.

Never even heard of it

@theMEGAniggle I've completed it twice, including 100% and Platinum the first time and Main Story + 100% of Frozen Wilds the second time, and that's taken 110h in total. That was on Hard throughout, and I'm no hardcore gamer so died plenty.
I can imagine it feeling rather long if you've done 120 hours and haven't even finished it once.

@theMEGAniggle I don't really understand your point, how can you 'hate' the 22 hour length of Horizon Zero Dawn but find the 17 hours to complete Marvel's Spider-Man to be perfect?
Yes HZD has a lot more side quests and collectibles but they are totally optional.

The ideal length for a AAA game in my opinion- 25ish hours to complete and the same again for all the optional extras.

Really can't wait for HFW. The original was my joint favourite game of the generation and the only thing I played through more than once that wasn't set in Raccoon City. Horizon's story and world building doesn't get enough credit in my opinion.

If it leaks a week early every month it's no longer of any benefit.
All that matters is the games being any good!

@middyone pretty sure LOU2 was about 100GB on my PS5, maybe the patch made it bigger?

Sounds about what you'd expect, no?
Last of Us 2 and Red Dead 2 were over 100GB. I know PS5 games are meant to be a bit smaller, so presumably it'll been even bigger on PS4.

@OthmaneAD ah you're right. Maybe i got confused with the EA Play discount icon

Don't forget that EA games like Lost in Random and NFS Heat are on EA Play for £20 a year.

I still can't understand why they're selling a £70 PS5 version. Is it really just to rip people off?

Is there any reason at all why I would want to buy that over the £60 PS4+PS5 version? (I'll buy digital).

My tip for January: replay Horizon Zero Dawn, including the excellent Frozen Wilds, on the PS5. It looks and plays absolutely beautifully, and the combat is still fantastic.

Plus, the details of the story are easy to forget, always worth some revision before the sequel.

In January I shall mostly be looking forward to February

@UltimateOtaku91 I'd argue Uncharted 2 did that some years before Last of Us.

@Octane yes maybe, like they changed Spider-Man in the recent Remaster.

Unnecessary TV series cash-in.

I would've been much more interested in more new stories in the LoU world in the mould of Left Behind, probably with minor/new characters.

Unless they're remaking it in VR of course, which would be interesting.

@MyThoughts31 why not just buy digital? Or it's £30 on Play Asia (plus loads of shipping and tax I expect)
https://www.play-asia.com/fist-forged-in-shadow-torch-english/13/70eq9p

@Bleachedsmiles agreed, definitely a cynical move here. I got the PS Plus version but also bought it separately so I could get the PS5 upgrade a few weeks ago. Disappointing they didn't do this from the outset.

Who on earth is looking up Pikachu porn? I...live a sheltered life.

I like using them as sign posting to help make sure I've done pretty much everything in a game I love. But they have no intrinsic value whatsoever.

@somnambulance yes they could have just copied the approach from Ghost of Tsushima and had the PS5 version recognise PS4 saves. Surely not that complicated to implement.
I don't have an Xbox but it does seem they have the edge over Sony on this type of thing.

@somnambulance thanks for the answer! I also sold my PS4 and bought a DE PS5 , so their advice would apply to me too. The annoying thing is that the PS4 version is not on sale, while the PS5 Director's Cut is. At least I'll be able to upgrade to the PS5 DC after, but it's so annoying that you don't get both versions if you buy the PS5 version..

They should've given you a refund, that's also poor.

I agree on Death Stranding though, an amazing game that hits heights of immersion and emotional connection that I don't think I've ever had in another video game.

@somnambulance did anyone find the answer to this? Looks like you have to buy the digital PS4 version i reckon

Very useful, thanks guys

@ShogunRok any plans to do a Playstation (PS1) list? That'd be fun.

Plus any game with walk-in stand up comedy is good in my book.

Bring the shooting controls and wallowing car physics upto at least GTA V standards, clean up the murky lighting and we're onto a winner.

I'd still prefer a Red Dead Redemption remaster in the RDR2 engine (at 60fps) first though.

I played the original at launch and thought it was awesome fun, if far too difficult.
I then played GTA 3, 4, VC and 5 all circa 2016-2018, and found that GTA5 blew them all out of the water in every way, though 4 has a great story. I do appreciate that the 3D trilogy were revolutionary at the time, but without nostalgia they are clunky frustrating games to play. Perhaps the remasters will solve that.

Just bought Mafia for £20 😭

Seven out of Ten Soft churn out another one

I had all the original, first three games on the PlayStation. Found them very difficult as a teenager, needed a guide to get through them. Very impressive and iconic games though.

@Rob_230 I totally agree, in fact I prefer the recent TR Trilogy to Uncharted. More depth to the combat and platforming, better level design, loads of puzzles. Uncharted wins on story and set pieces though.

They've managed to make Uncharted look really boring. Both Sully and Nathan are far too young as well.

@SoulChimera I also just put my Sega Saturn Quake disc into my PS5 and it didn't run or even give me the PS4 version for free. What IS the world coming to?

In fact what we REALLY need is a patched Red Dead Redemption 2 , with a massive expansion that recreates the original Red Dead Redemption in the RDR2 map and engine, plus perhaps a few missions to knit together the two games. Would be phenomenal.

Red Dead 2 definitely needs 60fps. I booted it up on the PS5 the other day, but it now feels desperately sluggish compared to the likes of the patched HZD and Days Gone
Also patch in the faster item pick-up from Red Dead Online.

@jessehill181 you can add PS5 games to the library even if you don't own a PS5, I've done it with several, you can do it via the app for example

Nothing against these games, at least there's a good variety.
But I do miss them giving out less mainstream indie titles with PS Plus. That seemed to stop a couple of years ago.

Have replayed this lately on PS5 and am well into Frozen Wilds too. It just looks stunning, and the 60fps makes a world of difference. Really love this game.

Reported 1 crash the other day, perhaps it helped.

Ain't nobody got time for that.

Rule of thumb: never buy a season pass until you've finished the main game.

I just get burned out by most big games and rarely fancy returning.

Nope, not interested in the slightest. Spider-Man is a fantastically well made game, but the story was instantly forgettable.

I can tell the voice acting on Forspoken is going to really annoy me! It just looks like an Infamous game set in the desert.

Any news on why they are still charging £60 for PS4 + PS5, but £70 for PS5 only? Just looks like they're trying to overcharge the unsuspecting.

Watched it this morning and I also thought it was a bit spoilertastic, if totally nonsensical for people that haven't played the game. Loads of important scenes casually included.

What's the general consensus on this game? Is there a pay off from the massive time sink? I like the look of the locations.
Must admit I got bored before half way through Odyssey.

This has made me realise that you hardly ever see people calling for more Infamous games*, like you do for e.g. Syphon Filter, Sly Cooper, Motorstorm, and others.

I thought Second Son was a really well made game, if a bit forgettable. I guess lots of people felt the same.

(* Same for the Killzone series too.)