Given the choice most devs would probably want their game on as many platforms as possible, and bring their art to as many people as possible.
That said there is something about designing and building a game to get the most out of one system, optimising it for the specific hardware. Look at Breath of the Wild.
@get2SammyB I feel you are comparing apples to oranges somewhat here. It's not a fair balanced comparison. $1.2bn is Sony's share of THEIR first party games on PC, whereas $7bn is everyone's games.
A fairer comparison would be versus their own first party which was just 7.8% of all the games they sold last quarter. Yes PC would still be a small fraction of that, but it would be far better than comparing PC versus their whole business revenue.
Still I agree Sony still have decisions to make on if, when and how they come to PC. Personally I think exclusives still sell consoles and as they make most of their money on PSN through third party games they want people on PlayStation. But for Multiplayer games go day 1, but for single player maybe never release or at least a larger delay.
I watched this the other day, fascinating interview on the difficulties of porting retro games. One of the most insightful I’ve seen. Well worth a watch.
Looks good. But knowing what I know now about the time sinks these are, all the dark patterns to keep you hooked, I’m not sure I’ll ever start a new Hoyoverse game again.
@Lukeded I think they all have their pros and cons. Dice is great voted for by Devs - tends ro leans towards indies; BAFTA you have to have played the games and they have a proper jury arguing it out - also swings indie; Golden Joysticks is fan mostly fan voted but a bit of a popularity contest, TGAs is the largest critic jury with over 100 publications snd channels. I think it’s good we have them all.
@Lukeded I suspect it will be on many outlets and awards GOTY lists. But for The Game Awards specifically the final episodes hadn't released right before their voting cut-off. Reviewers won't have played the full game, making it hard to vote for. Alanah Pearce, who's also a VA in the game, made a great video about that. Timestamped. Though the whole video's worth a watch imo.
I've been highly critical of the state of the game at launch - honestly THE buggiest experience I have had in years - but that has to be presented with the understanding of making a game while your country is a warzone. HUGE respect to the team for even getting to that state.
Regardless, as a consumer, I will keep waiting for the game to be in the best state possible before diving in again. I am glad I got to try it on Game Pass, else I might have felt bitter.
@Toot1st You didn't see all the hate for the recent Lara Croft animation... ok then. But back when those characters were created there wasn't the same vocal hatred you see now.
Regardless whether Aloy is subjectively a boring character or not doesn't justify the sort of hate that it gets. There are PLENTY of boring male protagonists but they don't get the same treatment, do they?
Call it what you want, but there is a fixation here that you simply do not see with most franchises.
You are right. But there's a simple and valid reason for that. Most franchises don't sell 40 million after 2 mainline entries (and 2 minor spin-offs). It's similar treatment to Uncharted, The Last of Us, Spider-man. When other franchises start showing the same sales potential as these IP I am sure they will be treated the same.
It's entirely fair to say you don't like the games, you do you, but I see far too many people attempt some mental gymnastics to suggest it's not a HUGE success. It's wild. Constant moving of the goalposts of what is and isn't a success being the obvious red flag.
That all said, as someone that likes the series, I HOPE Horizon 3 is the end of a Trilogy and then the talented folks at Guerilla move onto a new IP, at least for a while. By the time #3 releases they will have been working on Horizon for around 15-20 years, that's a long time as a creative, and working on something fresh and new should be more invigorating.
Affordable is always relative. I do think this will be more than a PS5, but cheaper than a Pro.
It's primarily aiming at the PC market where that price will undercut all other comparable options. You won't be able to build a PC with the same performance for the same price. That alone will make it worthwhile to some. Add on top convenience, with a console-like user interface, and an under the TV experience and it will find a niche.
That is a beautiful! I honestly thought the version they were showing initially was the premium hardcover version, but it's not, that's shown later. £32... hmmm. Might just bite!
@bluemage1989 You make fair points, and I can see it both ways. I just feel it shouldn't have released on PS4 if they weren't going to support it much more than a year.
@bluemage1989 And what about the people who have paid plenty for the game through MTX who are being cut off less than a year and a half from release? F2P doesn't necessarily mean free.
I agree it's less egregious for a F2P title, but feel they shouldn't have released on PS4 at all if they were going to announce it's cancellation within a year.
Not a good look. While I can empathise with struggling to maintain games on older hardware - as well as being held back by it - but they should have considered this before releasing on PS4.
Question: Does the PS4 copy entitle you to a free upgrade to the PS5 version? That is the least they should do, though it won't help people who are still on PS4.
I used to buy games just because they were at a good price and engaged heavily in sales like this. But my backlog grew so big, and slightly oppressive, that I only buy if I am likely to play it in the next few months. The sales will come again, probably at lower prices.
@Kairuuu Indeed. Yes, 12 nominations is a new record. Though it can only win a maximum of 10 awards, as 3 are in the same category for best performance. This is the same number of categories / potential wins as TLOU2 (11 noms, 2 for best performance, 7 wins) and God of War: Ragnarok (11 noms, 2 for best performance, 6 wins). It will be interesting to see how it does against those games.
Personally as a huge E33 fan I can see it winning at least 7 of those categories easily.
I put Expedition 33 as winning virtually every category + Jennifer English & Lorien Testard.
Hades 2, Silksong, Despelote, The Alters, DK Bananza, Split Fiction, GTA6 among the few to scrape an award.
Expedition 33 made me feel like I felt in the 90s when a new Final Fantasy arrived. From the first moment of booting it up and just sitting on the title screen listing to the music through to the end credits it was a special experience. Nothing quite came close, though Silksong was closest.
Won't know until I see the film, but in terms of looks they fit. Zelda and Impa especially, but Link is a better match than I thought from his headshots.
Artists at these companies need to have a say in how AI is deployed.
That's making the ASSUMPTION that this was a top down decision and not a creative led one. In my experience a lot of these sorts of decisions are made BY busy creatives who are trying to hit deadlines by cutting corners on relatively insignificant things (like Reward Cards and Icons)
In its most recent quarterly report, multiformat game sales accounted for approximately 2% of the division’s overall income, and that includes over a month of Helldivers 2 on Xbox as well.
While that is true, it's also true that first party only accounted for around 7.8% of units sold so that 2% is still likely a reasonable percentage of revenue when looked at per game.
Let's be honest the Steam Deck is brilliant, but it has sold circa 4 million units. By console standards that would be an utter flop. But it's not it's just a low volume device.
I expect Steam Machine to be similar, especially with those specs which look behind a PS5 (with PS6 likely launching within 2 years) and the price likely to be higher too.
@ShadowRJ And that ain't the half of it, Split-Fiction, Blue Prince, KCD2, Seance of Blake Manor, Dispatch, Despolte, Sword of the Sea, and others all scored as much or higher than Yotei's 86.
@Oram77 GOTY E33 but not best RPG? That makes no sense.
This is only the first part of the story. The second part is how much support the Nintendo Switch & Switch 2 get from Japanese developers, there are many games that never come to PlayStation. They want to pull back those developers to their Platform, but they need more units sold.
While a lot of Japanese games never make it to our shores, some undoubtedly will, so I see this as a good thing as, if successful, we will get more Japanese games on PlayStation.
@Rich33 @cainhurst94 @Rich33 Sorry butting into this conversation. (not sorry )
I think Pro was marketed fine. It isn't really a device aimed at casuals who might be disappointed with it. Enthusiasts won't be looking at Sony marketing beats to decide if they want to buy it, they will be looking at Digital Foundry and other similar channels. Advertising it heavily would have been throwing money down the drain.
As for Astro and "no major IPs" context is crucial, but unfortunately people always take things out of context... especially gamers online and in forums trying to score points. The actual quote was
it wouldn't release "any new major existing franchise titles" like Spider-man 2 or God of War before April 2025
The context was this was in a fiscal report for INVESTORS who have a vested in interest in knowing if PlayStation had any major IP that might perhaps sell 5-10+ million units. It wasn't a marketing beat.
Bear in mind AstroBot was tiny before this, likely selling only a few hundred thousand units on PSVR, it wouldn't have been considered a major IP before. Moreover as good as it is, it hasn't sold 5-10 million units yet. They can't lie to investors and what they said was true, it isn't a slight on Astro Bot.
The trouble nowadays is things on investor calls and documents are now reported in the press, if it seems tone deaf it's likely because it wasn't intended for our ears, it was aimed at business.
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Re: Xbox Devs 'Thrilled' to Be Bringing Their Games to PS5
Given the choice most devs would probably want their game on as many platforms as possible, and bring their art to as many people as possible.
That said there is something about designing and building a game to get the most out of one system, optimising it for the specific hardware. Look at Breath of the Wild.
Re: Sony Estimated to Have Made $1.5 Billion from Steam, But the Novelty Is Wearing Off
@get2SammyB I feel you are comparing apples to oranges somewhat here. It's not a fair balanced comparison. $1.2bn is Sony's share of THEIR first party games on PC, whereas $7bn is everyone's games.
A fairer comparison would be versus their own first party which was just 7.8% of all the games they sold last quarter. Yes PC would still be a small fraction of that, but it would be far better than comparing PC versus their whole business revenue.
Still I agree Sony still have decisions to make on if, when and how they come to PC. Personally I think exclusives still sell consoles and as they make most of their money on PSN through third party games they want people on PlayStation. But for Multiplayer games go day 1, but for single player maybe never release or at least a larger delay.
Re: New Report Finds Almost Half of US Kids Are After In-Game Currency for Christmas
Many gifts seem forgotten by the time January comes. There's an AWFUL lot of plastic tat on sale, is this any worse? Kids like what they like.
Re: Episodic Hit Dispatch Is Only Getting More and More Popular
@Lukeded yes you are right, got those two muddled. The point still stands their all worthwhile
Re: 'Financial Viability Is a Big Deal': Emulation Studio on Why More Retro Games Aren't Coming to PS Plus Premium
I watched this the other day, fascinating interview on the difficulties of porting retro games. One of the most insightful I’ve seen. Well worth a watch.
Re: Arthurian Action Game Tides of Annihilation Stuns in Staggering PS5 Boss Fight Trailer
This has looked great at every showing. Loved the vibe first, but now the action looks insane too. Hopefully they can pull it off, could be big.
Re: Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rail Maker Reveals Next-Gen Open World Powered by Unreal Engine 5
Looks good. But knowing what I know now about the time sinks these are, all the dark patterns to keep you hooked, I’m not sure I’ll ever start a new Hoyoverse game again.
Re: Episodic Hit Dispatch Is Only Getting More and More Popular
@Lukeded I think they all have their pros and cons. Dice is great voted for by Devs - tends ro leans towards indies; BAFTA you have to have played the games and they have a proper jury arguing it out - also swings indie; Golden Joysticks is fan mostly fan voted but a bit of a popularity contest, TGAs is the largest critic jury with over 100 publications snd channels. I think it’s good we have them all.
Re: Top-Notch Metroidvania F.I.S.T. Gets a PS5 Prequel in Zoopunk
Really enjoyed F.I.S.T. (Stupid name aside) especially the world and setting, definitely up for more. A pleasant surprise.
Re: Episodic Hit Dispatch Is Only Getting More and More Popular
@Lukeded I suspect it will be on many outlets and awards GOTY lists. But for The Game Awards specifically the final episodes hadn't released right before their voting cut-off. Reviewers won't have played the full game, making it hard to vote for. Alanah Pearce, who's also a VA in the game, made a great video about that. Timestamped. Though the whole video's worth a watch imo.
Re: Celebrate Bloodborne's 10th Birthday Properly with New Vinyl Sets
Very cool, but also not what I want.
Re: Hellraiser PS5's Gameplay Trailer Is So Grisly We Can't Embed It Here
@AhabSpampurse Bummed? That was from the other guy.
Re: Hellraiser PS5's Gameplay Trailer Is So Grisly We Can't Embed It Here
I've never seen Hellraiser, but that looks amazing. Still not sure it's my cup of tea (milky without major scares please) but... maybe.
Re: A Technical Mess without It, STALKER 2's Day 1 PS5 Patch Is Critical
I've been highly critical of the state of the game at launch - honestly THE buggiest experience I have had in years - but that has to be presented with the understanding of making a game while your country is a warzone. HUGE respect to the team for even getting to that state.
Regardless, as a consumer, I will keep waiting for the game to be in the best state possible before diving in again. I am glad I got to try it on Game Pass, else I might have felt bitter.
Re: Horizon Sales Update Cements It As One of Sony's Strongest Franchises
@Toot1st You didn't see all the hate for the recent Lara Croft animation... ok then. But back when those characters were created there wasn't the same vocal hatred you see now.
Regardless whether Aloy is subjectively a boring character or not doesn't justify the sort of hate that it gets. There are PLENTY of boring male protagonists but they don't get the same treatment, do they?
Re: Horizon Sales Update Cements It As One of Sony's Strongest Franchises
Porco wrote:
You are right. But there's a simple and valid reason for that. Most franchises don't sell 40 million after 2 mainline entries (and 2 minor spin-offs). It's similar treatment to Uncharted, The Last of Us, Spider-man. When other franchises start showing the same sales potential as these IP I am sure they will be treated the same.
Re: Horizon Sales Update Cements It As One of Sony's Strongest Franchises
BamBamBaklava89 wrote:
Female protagonist, optionally gay/bi in game, outspoken lefty VA. Nah, no correlation... /s
That's not to say there aren't valid criticisms of the games, there are, but I see the same old hateful rhetoric far too often in amongst it all.
Re: Horizon Sales Update Cements It As One of Sony's Strongest Franchises
It's entirely fair to say you don't like the games, you do you, but I see far too many people attempt some mental gymnastics to suggest it's not a HUGE success. It's wild. Constant moving of the goalposts of what is and isn't a success being the obvious red flag.
That all said, as someone that likes the series, I HOPE Horizon 3 is the end of a Trilogy and then the talented folks at Guerilla move onto a new IP, at least for a while. By the time #3 releases they will have been working on Horizon for around 15-20 years, that's a long time as a creative, and working on something fresh and new should be more invigorating.
Re: PS5 Welcome Hub Update Adds New Stat Tracking, Backgrounds
Not sure I need a constant reminder of how many hours i've put into Genshin tbh!
Re: Valve's Steam Machine May Not Be As Affordable As a PS5
Affordable is always relative. I do think this will be more than a PS5, but cheaper than a Pro.
It's primarily aiming at the PC market where that price will undercut all other comparable options. You won't be able to build a PC with the same performance for the same price. That alone will make it worthwhile to some. Add on top convenience, with a console-like user interface, and an under the TV experience and it will find a niche.
Re: As If Playing Elden Ring Isn't Punishing Enough, a Book All About Its Lore Is Coming Soon
That is a beautiful! I honestly thought the version they were showing initially was the premium hardcover version, but it's not, that's shown later. £32... hmmm. Might just bite!
Re: ARC Raiders Dev Killing PS4 Support for Its Previous Game The Finals
@bluemage1989 You make fair points, and I can see it both ways. I just feel it shouldn't have released on PS4 if they weren't going to support it much more than a year.
Re: ARC Raiders Dev Killing PS4 Support for Its Previous Game The Finals
@bluemage1989 And what about the people who have paid plenty for the game through MTX who are being cut off less than a year and a half from release? F2P doesn't necessarily mean free.
I agree it's less egregious for a F2P title, but feel they shouldn't have released on PS4 at all if they were going to announce it's cancellation within a year.
Re: ARC Raiders Dev Killing PS4 Support for Its Previous Game The Finals
@REALAIS @bluemage1989 GOOD POINT. Doh!
On reflection: I do have less issue for a F2P game to do it that a premium title. But it's still not great is it?
Re: ARC Raiders Dev Killing PS4 Support for Its Previous Game The Finals
Not a good look. While I can empathise with struggling to maintain games on older hardware - as well as being held back by it - but they should have considered this before releasing on PS4.
Question: Does the PS4 copy entitle you to a free upgrade to the PS5 version? That is the least they should do, though it won't help people who are still on PS4.Re: PS Plus Gets a Decent Black Friday Discount, But There's a Catch for Existing Members
While it’s disappointing, this is the same every year and so not a surprise.
Re: EA Sports Skipping Standalone F1 Game in 2026, Will Return 'Reimagined' in 2027
With the regulation changes in 2026 and cars looking and handling quite differently that seems like the year that needed a new game imo.
Most other years I wish they would just tweak it and add updated driver lineups / car liveries etc.
Re: PS Store's Enormous Black Friday Sale Set to Go Live 21st November
I used to buy games just because they were at a good price and engaged heavily in sales like this. But my backlog grew so big, and slightly oppressive, that I only buy if I am likely to play it in the next few months. The sales will come again, probably at lower prices.
Re: These 9 PS Plus Games Are Leaving in December 2025
Damn it, there's a few there I haven't gotten around to. But i've got other games i'd rather play. That's often the problem with these services.
Re: Call of Duty: Black Ops 7 UK Sales Plummet 61% Compared to Black Ops 6
I GENUINELY hope this creates a shake up in the COD formula, it's been pretty stale for a long time now.
Re: Talking Point: The Game Awards 2025 Nominations Announced - Who Are Your Winners?
@Kairuuu Indeed. Yes, 12 nominations is a new record. Though it can only win a maximum of 10 awards, as 3 are in the same category for best performance. This is the same number of categories / potential wins as TLOU2 (11 noms, 2 for best performance, 7 wins) and God of War: Ragnarok (11 noms, 2 for best performance, 6 wins). It will be interesting to see how it does against those games.
Personally as a huge E33 fan I can see it winning at least 7 of those categories easily.
Re: PS5 Sony Games Bag 19 Nominations at The Game Awards 2025
@Enuo I think he gave up his place to E33 after it was snubbed at the Grammys
Re: Talking Point: The Game Awards 2025 Nominations Announced: Who Are Your Winners?
@orvisbean101 @get2sammyb TLOU2 I think with 7. Just checking.
Yes that's correct. God of War: Ragnarok 6, BG3 both had 6 wins
I can see E33 winning at least 7 of 10 noms EASILY. But I loved it.
Re: Talking Point: The Game Awards 2025 Nominations Announced: Who Are Your Winners?
Porco wrote:
Agreed. Who would you give it to? Nominations?
I'm probably missing something obvious (EDIT: Mario Galaxy 2!) but honourable mentions: Xenoblade Chronicles X, DQ1+2 HD, Talos Principle. I haven't included Switch 2 Editions.
Re: Talking Point: The Game Awards 2025 Nominations Announced: Who Are Your Winners?
I put Expedition 33 as winning virtually every category + Jennifer English & Lorien Testard.
Hades 2, Silksong, Despelote, The Alters, DK Bananza, Split Fiction, GTA6 among the few to scrape an award.
Expedition 33 made me feel like I felt in the 90s when a new Final Fantasy arrived. From the first moment of booting it up and just sitting on the title screen listing to the music through to the end credits it was a special experience. Nothing quite came close, though Silksong was closest.
Re: Here's Your First Look at Sony's Zelda Movie, Film Shots Revealed
Won't know until I see the film, but in terms of looks they fit. Zelda and Impa especially, but Link is a better match than I thought from his headshots.
Re: Call of Duty: Black Ops 7's Controversial AI Use Is Even Attracting Attention of US Politicians
That's making the ASSUMPTION that this was a top down decision and not a creative led one. In my experience a lot of these sorts of decisions are made BY busy creatives who are trying to hit deadlines by cutting corners on relatively insignificant things (like Reward Cards and Icons)
Re: Superhero Adventure Dispatch Projected to Hit Three-Year Sales Target in Three Months
Good for them. I'm not a fan of episodic gaming, but their method, 2 episodes a week for 4 weeks is much better than others we have seen in the past.
I can also see the benefits of being part of "the conversation" for a little longer as articles and coverage is increased with each release.
Re: Rumour: An Xbox Partner Showcase Is Imminent, Will Be Announced 'Very Soon'
NateTheHate is far more reliable than many leakers who just seem like pot stirrers. I’d expect the announcement imminently.
Re: 'Very Vague' Rumour Claims Sony May Scale Back PC Ports of PS5 Games
get2sammyb wrote:
While that is true, it's also true that first party only accounted for around 7.8% of units sold so that 2% is still likely a reasonable percentage of revenue when looked at per game.
Re: PS Plus Members in the UK Now Get Money Off Purchases from PlayStation Direct
Better than nothing. £10 off a PS Portal, or brings the 20th anniversary version to £199 the same as the base model.
Re: Poll: Does the Steam Machine Pose a Threat to PS5?
Let's be honest the Steam Deck is brilliant, but it has sold circa 4 million units. By console standards that would be an utter flop. But it's not it's just a low volume device.
I expect Steam Machine to be similar, especially with those specs which look behind a PS5 (with PS6 likely launching within 2 years) and the price likely to be higher too.
Re: Steel Yourselves: The Game Awards Nominees Are Being Announced Imminently
@Ainu20 That's what I meant. Nomination only, last year he might have won. (Although I would have given it to Alec Newman for Still wakes the Deep)
Also completely agree for English / Maelle
Re: Call of Duty: Black Ops 7's Single Player Campaign Is Being Torn Apart
That sounds atrocious.
EDIT: I wonder if behind the scenes they are focussing on one year on, one year off, for effort in CoD campaigns
Re: Steel Yourselves: The Game Awards Nominees Are Being Announced Imminently
@Oram77 I'm not saying Yotei shouldn't be in the list, was just agreeing with the other OP that "competition is tough this year".
Wukong never should have been nominated for GOTY imo, but that's OK we all like different things.
Re: Steel Yourselves: The Game Awards Nominees Are Being Announced Imminently
@Ainu20 Indiana Jones could have won several awards last year... this year not so much. Troy Baker for best VA maybe.
Re: Steel Yourselves: The Game Awards Nominees Are Being Announced Imminently
@ShadowRJ And that ain't the half of it, Split-Fiction, Blue Prince, KCD2, Seance of Blake Manor, Dispatch, Despolte, Sword of the Sea, and others all scored as much or higher than Yotei's 86.
@Oram77 GOTY E33 but not best RPG? That makes no sense.
Re: Here's Why Sony Is Making a Japan-Specific PS5 Console
This is only the first part of the story. The second part is how much support the Nintendo Switch & Switch 2 get from Japanese developers, there are many games that never come to PlayStation. They want to pull back those developers to their Platform, but they need more units sold.
While a lot of Japanese games never make it to our shores, some undoubtedly will, so I see this as a good thing as, if successful, we will get more Japanese games on PlayStation.
Re: Sony Flexes Its Almighty Marketing Muscle with PS5 Promos Around the World
@Rich33 @cainhurst94 @Rich33 Sorry butting into this conversation. (not sorry )
I think Pro was marketed fine. It isn't really a device aimed at casuals who might be disappointed with it. Enthusiasts won't be looking at Sony marketing beats to decide if they want to buy it, they will be looking at Digital Foundry and other similar channels. Advertising it heavily would have been throwing money down the drain.
As for Astro and "no major IPs" context is crucial, but unfortunately people always take things out of context... especially gamers online and in forums trying to score points. The actual quote was
The context was this was in a fiscal report for INVESTORS who have a vested in interest in knowing if PlayStation had any major IP that might perhaps sell 5-10+ million units. It wasn't a marketing beat.
Bear in mind AstroBot was tiny before this, likely selling only a few hundred thousand units on PSVR, it wouldn't have been considered a major IP before. Moreover as good as it is, it hasn't sold 5-10 million units yet. They can't lie to investors and what they said was true, it isn't a slight on Astro Bot.
The trouble nowadays is things on investor calls and documents are now reported in the press, if it seems tone deaf it's likely because it wasn't intended for our ears, it was aimed at business.
Re: Sony Flexes Its Almighty Marketing Muscle with PS5 Promos Around the World
GamingGod wrote:
Checkmate! 😁