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@Toypop so basically you won't hold the people responsible who actually lied outright about performance and features repeatedly.

I have to say I don't understand this frame of mind. It's the exact attitude that has allowed this sort of behavior to run rampant in the gaming industry. The sympathy train you're referring to has never existed. This is the reaction everyone every time this opens. People start the it's your own fault learn your lesson

This is no different then if I went to a doctor with great reviews for surgery and they cut my arm off instead of taking out my appendix. Except in that case no one would blame me and I could use for malpractice.

This is a product that was sold faulty. People pretend because it's a "complicated" game it's somehow different. It's not. If the new Avengers movie came out with bad special effects and half finished people would be rightfully upset especially if they had spent the whole effects budget on the trailer to mislead people and they would be right. This is no different.

I'll never understand victim blaming. I think it's sad.

@Mince let me just clarify something here.

I don't hold the coders and the people who actually made the game responsible for this. They have no control over deadlines and release of the game. Unfortunately that doesn't matter.

They work for the people who did. I was just reading a Bloomberg article about the the meeting that the employees hard with the board of the company yesterday and it was hostile.

However I can't help who they chose to work for and can't say I support saving the company just because people work there. That's not an acceptable reason and it sets a troubling precedent for just about every industry.

@Mince go read the market announcement that CDPR made to the shareholders.

They were discussing refunds with Sony and Sony then removed the game unilaterally and offered refunds. There was no agreement. They rushed the announcement out to comply with transparency requirements for the important people.

Don't tell me you're one of those people who believe CDPR wanted the game they rushed to release at the expense of the game itself removed 8 days after it released right before Christmas?

@Mince that's what I was referring to.

Sony doesn't care if they go under either.

I mean why do you? They're a business. They made a bad decision. They wouldn't feel bad if I lost my job. It's weird to sympathize with a corporation.

This is the right thing to do.

The game was rushed because shareholders got greedy. I'm assuming upper management did too with all the crunch.

Sony did the right thing.

@Mince apparently Sony doesn't care either.

Haha.

@Mince people work for lots of companies that go under through no fault or action of their own. This is not one of those cases. That's just an attempt to make feel bad. Go tell management at CDPR that, they're the ones who put their employees at risk not me.

You realize there's a pandemic, people have lost jobs, and they decided this was the best money time to lie about performance and content of a game to get money from people right? We can all appeal to the emotion.

@HEVIHITR read below first. Second no one made them release it. Celebrities and developers get death threats all the time and sadly it's part of being a public figure. That doesn't excuse the fact that they lied repeatedly and released a broken game that they said would work well.

I can't believe that gamers have sunk so low as to make excuses for a company worth billions over people like themselves. I'll never understand corporate loyalty and honestly it seems like the game had a message that that was screwed up as well. It's irony to the max.

@Mince you realize a company can't get death threats because it's not alive right?

Nice deflection. Death threats are bad. So is using them as an excuse for this release. It's like people have list they go through. Your computer is *****, when it's not. There are no bugs on my computer, when AI doesn't work properly on any computer and is classified by the developer as a bug, and my favorite something something death threats, which is not a valid excuse for anything.

Weren't you not going to talk to me anymore?

@Mince you mean you ran out of misleading statements and lies? Cool.

If they hadn't lied so much and actually worked on the game more it could have been great.

@Mince lies again.

Sony and Microsoft have a refund system and refunds from PC weren't mentioned in that statement.

Both Microsoft and Sony said all they have to do is say the game is broken or defective and people will be able to get refunds outside their policy. Instead of doing this first they just announced and then cold feet because the shareholders didn't like it.

In other words, like most things about this game it was hot air.

I love the way you imply that everyone who dislikes the game is bias. It's a step up from claiming they haven't played it.

@HEVIHITR you know no one forced them to release it on them? No one forced them to say it worked well either.

They were greedy money grubbing people who wanted to maximize profit. They are absolutely responsible for a game they decided to release on those consoles.

@Mince so does CDPR.

That's why last night they said they'd refund and then back tracked when their shareholders got upset.

Of course they can't give permission to refund. They can declare the game is a broken product but that would be bad for business. They tried really hard to leave Sony and Microsoft holding the bag for the lack of refunds until their support started telling people they didn't receive any information from CDPR about the refunds.

I don't see how Sony fans are happy they tried to scapegoat. Usually we are very loyal.

And I know CDPR apologized for how bad it is on console. I also have seen people play it console.

I also know the AI isn't performance related. It's not programmed in the game. The cops spawning in front of you? Not performance related. It's coded that way.

But keep trying my man.

Also the ***** media has been up the games ass since before release. They literally were ok with NDAs about the glitches, not seeing any of the current generation (it's not last gen yet) performance and were ok with using precrerecorded footage from the developer instead of actual game footage. That doesn't really fit your victim narrative.

@Mince are you talking about about CDPR? I don't know why they lied.

If you're talking about me I hope you're getting paid for the great job you're doing deflecting from the state of the game.

I can link you my review on steam after I refunded at 11 hours. It's instructions for how to request a manual refund on steam.

At that point I realized the first few hours of the game were the best it was gonna get and they were likely intentionally set up that way to prevent refunds.

It's a horrible mess even without the bugs. They cut lots of content that was promised and lied about so much even after the game was released. I bought it on PC because I was super suspicious about the whole not showing console gameplay.

It's a pretty but completely dead world with lots and lots of lifeless glitchy NPCs. There's literally no AI. Police have no cars and can't drive. Cars only go in straight lines and can't pass you so they stop forever.Bugs are expected but this is an Alpha game at best that we were told was finished and ready to go. Mind you, it doesn't work for some on PC with better rigs than mine.

I've never said this about anyone before but they deserve to burn for this.

I'm so glad Steam refunded me.

@Arnna how long would we wait before it was what it appears to be now? Vaporware.

It's not like they had a year or even two like a regular development house. They had very very close to a decade. That's a ridiculous amount of time to not be able to make a workable game in.

Edit: also it's playable and not horrible but playing it I just keep thinking why did it take so long to make this? Did they focus on the graphics instead of actually making any sort of NPC interaction or character building? Conversations use an archaic system that basically gives you an option to ask more and to go forward in dialogue. It's all very restrictive and illusionary.

It works good on my PC but I don't get why it's so intensive. It's not really a next gen experience in a lot of ways. It plays like Deus Ex with a bigger city and more NPCs that do nothing but spout pre recorded lines. I don't get what makes that so difficult to do right?

It's great to know that no one's interested in older games.

I guess rom sites get cease and desist as a pity thing and not because a large amount of people download games from them to play them. Good to know!

I'd like to point out that developers don't always make the decision on when a games released.

@SwankyPaladin I pay for the service and the games. Then I pay for continued access to the games. It's really simple really. If they were free I wouldn't have to pay to continue to use them.

@OthmaneAD Gamepass advises when games are leaving. There's a whole expiring area on both PC and Xbox as well mobile notifications if you have the app. As well as Twitter. There are literally multiple ways to tell when things are leaving.

As for this, it is what it is. I don't particularly find myself upgrading just for games I already have and launch consoles always have issues at the some point. It may be great for a new person but with the strong sales of the PS4 who exactly is buying a PS5 as their first Sony console?

@Subsided using Asian countries as an example is kind of a bad idea because of the whole skin bleaching industry and beauty standard that revolves around having whiter and lighter skin.

On the topic of the game, I bought Watchdogs 1 recently and wasn't thrilled with it. I was thinking about getting 2 but just don't know if it's really worth the sale price. Seeing this I kind of get the feeling they're all the same and if I didn't care for the 1st I won't like any of them.

Why don't they just stop giving release dates? At this point it's like some legacy act on a farewell tour.

This the last one! We promise!

All everyone did was make fun of Microsoft's exclusives this gen so I guess this is what you get when you do that.

It always boggles my mind how people will bend over backwards to defend a corporation that doesn't care about them or their loyalty unless it generates them cash.

Sony is free to do what it wants. They provide the market. That doesn't mean we should all sympathize with them or somehow divorce the fact that this isn't Sony it's just their management or division. That is still Sony. Sony isn't alive, it's made of divisions and people.

It seems like they're automating playing the games more and more now.

I guess some people are into the actual game telling you what to do at all times. I love maps and waypoints and guides as much as anyone but do I really need the game recommending what quests I should?

@Feena those console stores really don't work anymore.

A few years ago the PS3 store took forever to do anything. I doubt it's gotten better since then.

@SwankyPaladin that's just an excuse. I get that you guys enjoy defending a corporation that barely cares you exist but like the Nintendo diehards I could never do that myself.

The games aren't free. I pay for them. Multiplayer is what you're not actually paying for because most of it's not even handled by Sony.

Its about what I expect. They don't really give anything good.

Honestly I'd rather have the bethesda games then most of Sony's 1st party games. It's just games the more niche Japanese roleplaying games that make me get a Sony console and with FFXVI being only a timed exclusive and everything being on PC now I'm honestly considering getting out of consoles.

Another reason for me to wait. That's not enough drive space and launch consoles always seem to have issues anyway.

Are people really upset about this?

Why has no one used the word snowflakes to describe those people yet?

This just confirms what we already knew.

They lied because they want more money.

@RPE83 your comparison is completely misleading.

The problem with Control is that they're given updates to people who buy the game for the PS4 again in a NEW Package instead of just giving it to people who already bought it on the PS4. If they hadn't given an upgrade at all no one would have cared. Between that and the fact that this pretty much destroys their lameass "this is the only option we had" by proving that already bought games can be upgraded.

They made their mess and they deserve every bit of the reaction it got them.

@TheRogueScotsman you mean like I would during a sale? I guess any game I buy at a discount is free now?

Edit: and with plus I only have access while I subscribe. I pay for the games and access to them.

I don't understand why not. We had PS1 on the PS3 and PS2 on the PS4? We can't have both on the PS5? It's just stupidity on their part and the market is there or they wouldn't have made the PS1 classic. They just want to sell us unnecessary hardware or force streaming.

Also just cuz I saw someone claiming otherwise the PS3 was backwards compatible with PS1 games for all models and 2 for the original launch model. The PS4 also at least had half ass compatibility digitally with PS2 games. So wrong!

I don't understand how people figure Sony is giving me anything for free here. I pay for this each month. I can complain about it all I want.

Acting like people are expecting anything for free is misguided at best and completely dishonest at worst. None of this is free. We bought the game. I'm not giving them more money for the same thing I already own to get an upgrade to next gen and I won't buy it on next gen either.

It's a bad look for them.

Also it should be pointed out as much as possible that this is a middle finger to Google and Apple which is fine, great even but they're paying 30% fees there and only giving you 20%.

They seem to be saying they're passing the full savings on to you which is why I brought it up.

@Kafkaesque no the simple fact is our principles are different. I never said you were a bigot. If you can't take being lumped in with people who share your opinion that's on you.

Also not that it matters but since you're gonna pull that card I'm also gay.

@rachetmarvel you hold Sony but not the publisher? Not the developer? Where are their principles? Surely if censorship is do bad they hold responsibility for not pulling their work? Oh wait it's ok for them to cash in.

@Kafkaesque oh look at you censoring my opinion by saying I lack principles. The simple fact of the matter is that it's not censorship. It's a business making a decision. People who have 'principles" and get upset by censorship often don't have a clue what actually being censored is. It's the crying because Facebook deleted my made up story because it wasn't real crowd. Or the gays need to shut up and go away crowd. Or the death threats are protected speech crowd. Such principles they have.

@rachetmarvel I never said everyone. I simply pointed out what was going on. And the other response also makes my point so please read it.

Oh no anime is being held to same content standards as everything else.

I think the fact people who bought the Fairy Tail game were more upset by them censoring panty shots than the shoddy game itself says all we need to about people who are anti-"censorship".

I just want my controller to control the game. Keep the light bars and haptic stuff.

I mean both Sony and Microsoft have tons of money. Either can does and will do this. We could add Nintendo as well.

I usually just buy everything but what is the logic behind this fanboyism? Is it because you can only afford one and that makes you attached to it? I don't get it. They're companies. They don't care about you.

I'm going to be that guy and say giving Fairy Tail a 7 and this a 6 is just another reason to get rid of ratings.

I get different reviewers but the rating system is the same for everyone and yet people seem to use different standards. Maybe make a rubric or ditch it?

I don't understand how this is bad but Persona 5 is fine. They literally added about the same amount of content and charged you for a full game.

Mind I still bought P5 and P5R and already own DQ11 and DQ11S so this doesn't matter to me really.

They just want you to buy a new console. I'm so sick of the whole it won't run it excuse. First The Outer World's tried it and it was laughable. Now Sony tries it.

It has nothing to do with whether it would work or not. It has to do with making you buy a new console. Also the whole down porting conversation is silly because most consoles have similar architecture nowadays. It's barely a port.

The Switch is only special because of what it has to use to be portable.

The irony in watching the same fanbase who attempted to cancel The Last Of Us 2 try to talk about snowflakes and cancel culture.

Timeless.

I'm glad to see someone point out that you can still download what you've actually bought.

I don't understand why people push the narrative that you can't.

I think they're gonna find that sales are going to suffer somewhat for next-gen because of the state of the world. It seems silly to put all your eggs in one basket as Sony seems determined to do.

Of course they may be lying just to get people to upgrade and then pull a switch on them and release the games. That would honestly be hilarious.

No way is this true. It's even stupid as a rumor.

Edit: don't you have a rumor category specific to rumors? If Microsoft is saying no, which you indicate in your own article that's news. Rumors are not news.