Someone disagreeing with you is abusive now? Pointing out your mistakes is abusive?
You straight up made fun of him. You didn't care enough to realize how different the writing styles were or that they were in two different areas despite copying them which no one else does.
It's just sloppy and sad at this point.
How will you ever live with me now? Wait you don't....so how am I abusive? It sounds like you need a safe space my friend.
@zekepliskin one and then two. Don't forget you really ripped them apart too. Aww he saw it it's ok you don't need to change it now with some lame excuse. You also doubled down and told me I said them. This is the moral compass we should be following
And if you hate misattributed quotes maybe should you apologize to the person you forced them on?
Also I don't know who @Toypop is responding to either but if anyone decides to read this comment thread I hope they enjoy the antics of the Three Stooges.
@zekepliskin I'm not sure what happened to you while you were writing that but if you're going to respond to comments from both of us shouldn't you @Toypop
Or are you just proving you're trolling now? I guess it just shows what you really thought of his comments that when you attributed them to me you respond that way.
@Toypop I definitely agree with you about the game journalist. I would even say that they're not really acting as defenders of the consumers but attempting to calm things down and ride the middle as long as possible so they don't look culpable.
I've seen so many articles that misrepresent the way CDPR handled this in a positive way while completing ignoring any problems that I can't agree with part of what you said but I do agree they acted completely unethically.
I hope people don't forgot that either. They probably will though.
@Toypop but you are white knighting. Maybe you don't intend to or mean to buy you are definitely white knighting the devs. You're not attacking them and no wants you to either but you're literally defending them non-stop and making excuses. You're also attacking other gamers which makes the least sense.
It's your choice what you want to support or not to support. I completely get that. I just don't understand why people have to defend them. They did something wrong. Even they apologized for it.
It just boggles my mind but it's your right and I support it. Doesn't mean I have to agree though.
@zekepliskin and you were wrong. He's not of my generation. Not that it matters but since you brought it up.
You didn't respond to anything else because you know there's no point.
You're wrong. He's wrong. Not my job to know how old you or he are.
Not all games are buggy messes. Nice that you ignore that for semantics.
And no the reason I call people paid shills are when they find it easier to sympathize with a billion dollar corporation than other human beings like themselves. Now you know.
Also you're going to lecture me about age when you're the one who brought up in the first place? That's some new level trolling there. I didn't make that part of the conversation you did.
No one knew about the rest of your stuff until after the embargo on reviews lifted well after the release of the actual game.
We were presented it as real footage.
I didn't expect a lot but you didn't even try. Why does it upset you so much that people got their money back and brought a lot of attention to what is a huge problem in the gaming world? I don't get it.
And for the record every game doesn't do that. I pre-ordered FFVII remake and Persona Royal and they worked fine. VII had a bit of texture pop in but no bugs or glitches. I'm willing to write Royal off as it's an update but Persona 5 also had no crashes and no problems.
@zekepliskin you guessed wrong considering I'm nearly 30. I'm guessing you're a shill paid or not given the way you comment on everything I say telling me how wrong I am and insulting me.
It's kind of sad.
Just to add you know how many clients would tell me, if I delivered a ***** project that didn't meet expectations, that it was their own fault, they expected too much, and they were going to give me the time to fix it? Absolutely none.
@Toypop Sony didn't. They did because it was a horrible game and it made them look bad. They also probably did it because CDPR had a marketing deal with Microsoft which it's still on Xbox.
You realize that our actions are more than likely what caused Sony to pull it in the first place? White knighting implies we were all ok with it and Sony just saved us without us asking. They didn't. People got denied and didn't give up.
I know that doesn't count because it doesn't fit your narrow agenda need to look down at us. This is being responsible for your actions. They have to be responsible for theirs too. I don't understand how people can say we all have to be responsible but a business can just do whatever.
@Emilebusinge yeah the city is large but there's little to do and so many decisions just baffle me. Like why for Sidegigs do I have to answer a call and then get a text message. Why can't it just be one or the other?
@zekepliskin says the person who's calling everyone who disagrees with him a troll. Funny how that works.
I'm sick of being told there's something wrong with enjoying the downfall of greedy companies or douchebags. There's not. They're getting why they deserve for attacking people who didn't like the game and saying they had no problems. Now they do. It's hilarious.
It's always nice when someone preaching politeness calls you ignorant and rude out of the side of their mouth. I've come to expect that from hypocrites though.
The difference is no one has ever made those companies pay for it. CDPR is paying for it.
You can't play victim when you are the victim. And you can just say it happened before so let's just sit down and take it like good boys and girls.
Nothing changes unless you do something. You realize that right?
Also people didn't buy the game sight unseen and I didn't preoders. CDPR and the media both decided to feed people fake performance and lie through their teeth.
If we keep letting it happen guess what? It keeps happening. I'm glad people finally decided they had enough. I can't see how anyone but a developer or someone in the industry could be upset about this.
You're just being a defeatist and an apologist for a corporate practice that has gone for too long.
Hey at least you can take solace guys in the fact that a lot of the pc players who made fun of you can now not launch the game, are having saves deleted, seeing a 20 fps drop for no reason, and all sorts of fun stuff.
It's also disturbing to me that there are people in deep denial about the state of this game. I hope they're just paid trolls or something.
@jess3a3 don't know what you're on about. The coverage on here has been honest and balanced but most of the gaming media have been down on the knees for CDPR for the past week making excuses and acting like nothing's wrong. You must be reading something else.
I bought it on PC and refunded it at 11 hours. So glad I didn't get it on my PRO God it was horrible enough on something more powerful. The new 1.05 patch is preventing people from playing, deleting inventories and dropping pc framerates. Don't know how it is on Sony.
Horrible game and horrible company. I'll have flashbacks to doing that Delamin quest under the bridge forever. Stupid ai makes civilians duck so they get shot, them police then teleport in all around you cuz bad programming then you die. Over and over again.
@Toypop that's such an old fashioned way of thinking.
This is the new age. If you did you're one person, and there ways of giving people who don't pay money back just saying. All kinds of ways.
This is a company that did something wrong. They need to pay. You need to stop echoing the tired morality of a generation that spent years telling me that I don't know the meaning of money only know to tell me I think my money's worth too much.
Games are a product. If someone sold your toilet paper that made your ass bleed, no one would be saying well you should have known that toilet paper was bad.
@Toypop so basically you won't hold the people responsible who actually lied outright about performance and features repeatedly.
I have to say I don't understand this frame of mind. It's the exact attitude that has allowed this sort of behavior to run rampant in the gaming industry. The sympathy train you're referring to has never existed. This is the reaction everyone every time this opens. People start the it's your own fault learn your lesson
This is no different then if I went to a doctor with great reviews for surgery and they cut my arm off instead of taking out my appendix. Except in that case no one would blame me and I could use for malpractice.
This is a product that was sold faulty. People pretend because it's a "complicated" game it's somehow different. It's not. If the new Avengers movie came out with bad special effects and half finished people would be rightfully upset especially if they had spent the whole effects budget on the trailer to mislead people and they would be right. This is no different.
I'll never understand victim blaming. I think it's sad.
I don't hold the coders and the people who actually made the game responsible for this. They have no control over deadlines and release of the game. Unfortunately that doesn't matter.
They work for the people who did. I was just reading a Bloomberg article about the the meeting that the employees hard with the board of the company yesterday and it was hostile.
However I can't help who they chose to work for and can't say I support saving the company just because people work there. That's not an acceptable reason and it sets a troubling precedent for just about every industry.
@Mince go read the market announcement that CDPR made to the shareholders.
They were discussing refunds with Sony and Sony then removed the game unilaterally and offered refunds. There was no agreement. They rushed the announcement out to comply with transparency requirements for the important people.
Don't tell me you're one of those people who believe CDPR wanted the game they rushed to release at the expense of the game itself removed 8 days after it released right before Christmas?
@Mince people work for lots of companies that go under through no fault or action of their own. This is not one of those cases. That's just an attempt to make feel bad. Go tell management at CDPR that, they're the ones who put their employees at risk not me.
You realize there's a pandemic, people have lost jobs, and they decided this was the best money time to lie about performance and content of a game to get money from people right? We can all appeal to the emotion.
@HEVIHITR read below first. Second no one made them release it. Celebrities and developers get death threats all the time and sadly it's part of being a public figure. That doesn't excuse the fact that they lied repeatedly and released a broken game that they said would work well.
I can't believe that gamers have sunk so low as to make excuses for a company worth billions over people like themselves. I'll never understand corporate loyalty and honestly it seems like the game had a message that that was screwed up as well. It's irony to the max.
@Mince you realize a company can't get death threats because it's not alive right?
Nice deflection. Death threats are bad. So is using them as an excuse for this release. It's like people have list they go through. Your computer is *****, when it's not. There are no bugs on my computer, when AI doesn't work properly on any computer and is classified by the developer as a bug, and my favorite something something death threats, which is not a valid excuse for anything.
Sony and Microsoft have a refund system and refunds from PC weren't mentioned in that statement.
Both Microsoft and Sony said all they have to do is say the game is broken or defective and people will be able to get refunds outside their policy. Instead of doing this first they just announced and then cold feet because the shareholders didn't like it.
In other words, like most things about this game it was hot air.
I love the way you imply that everyone who dislikes the game is bias. It's a step up from claiming they haven't played it.
@HEVIHITR you know no one forced them to release it on them? No one forced them to say it worked well either.
They were greedy money grubbing people who wanted to maximize profit. They are absolutely responsible for a game they decided to release on those consoles.
That's why last night they said they'd refund and then back tracked when their shareholders got upset.
Of course they can't give permission to refund. They can declare the game is a broken product but that would be bad for business. They tried really hard to leave Sony and Microsoft holding the bag for the lack of refunds until their support started telling people they didn't receive any information from CDPR about the refunds.
I don't see how Sony fans are happy they tried to scapegoat. Usually we are very loyal.
And I know CDPR apologized for how bad it is on console. I also have seen people play it console.
I also know the AI isn't performance related. It's not programmed in the game. The cops spawning in front of you? Not performance related. It's coded that way.
But keep trying my man.
Also the ***** media has been up the games ass since before release. They literally were ok with NDAs about the glitches, not seeing any of the current generation (it's not last gen yet) performance and were ok with using precrerecorded footage from the developer instead of actual game footage. That doesn't really fit your victim narrative.
@Mince are you talking about about CDPR? I don't know why they lied.
If you're talking about me I hope you're getting paid for the great job you're doing deflecting from the state of the game.
I can link you my review on steam after I refunded at 11 hours. It's instructions for how to request a manual refund on steam.
At that point I realized the first few hours of the game were the best it was gonna get and they were likely intentionally set up that way to prevent refunds.
It's a horrible mess even without the bugs. They cut lots of content that was promised and lied about so much even after the game was released. I bought it on PC because I was super suspicious about the whole not showing console gameplay.
It's a pretty but completely dead world with lots and lots of lifeless glitchy NPCs. There's literally no AI. Police have no cars and can't drive. Cars only go in straight lines and can't pass you so they stop forever.Bugs are expected but this is an Alpha game at best that we were told was finished and ready to go. Mind you, it doesn't work for some on PC with better rigs than mine.
I've never said this about anyone before but they deserve to burn for this.
@Arnna how long would we wait before it was what it appears to be now? Vaporware.
It's not like they had a year or even two like a regular development house. They had very very close to a decade. That's a ridiculous amount of time to not be able to make a workable game in.
Edit: also it's playable and not horrible but playing it I just keep thinking why did it take so long to make this? Did they focus on the graphics instead of actually making any sort of NPC interaction or character building? Conversations use an archaic system that basically gives you an option to ask more and to go forward in dialogue. It's all very restrictive and illusionary.
It works good on my PC but I don't get why it's so intensive. It's not really a next gen experience in a lot of ways. It plays like Deus Ex with a bigger city and more NPCs that do nothing but spout pre recorded lines. I don't get what makes that so difficult to do right?
@SwankyPaladin I pay for the service and the games. Then I pay for continued access to the games. It's really simple really. If they were free I wouldn't have to pay to continue to use them.
@OthmaneAD Gamepass advises when games are leaving. There's a whole expiring area on both PC and Xbox as well mobile notifications if you have the app. As well as Twitter. There are literally multiple ways to tell when things are leaving.
As for this, it is what it is. I don't particularly find myself upgrading just for games I already have and launch consoles always have issues at the some point. It may be great for a new person but with the strong sales of the PS4 who exactly is buying a PS5 as their first Sony console?
@Subsided using Asian countries as an example is kind of a bad idea because of the whole skin bleaching industry and beauty standard that revolves around having whiter and lighter skin.
On the topic of the game, I bought Watchdogs 1 recently and wasn't thrilled with it. I was thinking about getting 2 but just don't know if it's really worth the sale price. Seeing this I kind of get the feeling they're all the same and if I didn't care for the 1st I won't like any of them.
It always boggles my mind how people will bend over backwards to defend a corporation that doesn't care about them or their loyalty unless it generates them cash.
Sony is free to do what it wants. They provide the market. That doesn't mean we should all sympathize with them or somehow divorce the fact that this isn't Sony it's just their management or division. That is still Sony. Sony isn't alive, it's made of divisions and people.
It seems like they're automating playing the games more and more now.
I guess some people are into the actual game telling you what to do at all times. I love maps and waypoints and guides as much as anyone but do I really need the game recommending what quests I should?
@SwankyPaladin that's just an excuse. I get that you guys enjoy defending a corporation that barely cares you exist but like the Nintendo diehards I could never do that myself.
The games aren't free. I pay for them. Multiplayer is what you're not actually paying for because most of it's not even handled by Sony.
Honestly I'd rather have the bethesda games then most of Sony's 1st party games. It's just games the more niche Japanese roleplaying games that make me get a Sony console and with FFXVI being only a timed exclusive and everything being on PC now I'm honestly considering getting out of consoles.
The problem with Control is that they're given updates to people who buy the game for the PS4 again in a NEW Package instead of just giving it to people who already bought it on the PS4. If they hadn't given an upgrade at all no one would have cared. Between that and the fact that this pretty much destroys their lameass "this is the only option we had" by proving that already bought games can be upgraded.
They made their mess and they deserve every bit of the reaction it got them.
I don't understand why not. We had PS1 on the PS3 and PS2 on the PS4? We can't have both on the PS5? It's just stupidity on their part and the market is there or they wouldn't have made the PS1 classic. They just want to sell us unnecessary hardware or force streaming.
Also just cuz I saw someone claiming otherwise the PS3 was backwards compatible with PS1 games for all models and 2 for the original launch model. The PS4 also at least had half ass compatibility digitally with PS2 games. So wrong!
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Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@zekepliskin do you know what abusive even means?
Someone disagreeing with you is abusive now? Pointing out your mistakes is abusive?
You straight up made fun of him. You didn't care enough to realize how different the writing styles were or that they were in two different areas despite copying them which no one else does.
It's just sloppy and sad at this point.
How will you ever live with me now? Wait you don't....so how am I abusive? It sounds like you need a safe space my friend.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@zekepliskin one and then two. Don't forget you really ripped them apart too. Aww he saw it it's ok you don't need to change it now with some lame excuse. You also doubled down and told me I said them. This is the moral compass we should be following
And if you hate misattributed quotes maybe should you apologize to the person you forced them on?
Also I don't know who @Toypop is responding to either but if anyone decides to read this comment thread I hope they enjoy the antics of the Three Stooges.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@zekepliskin I'm not sure what happened to you while you were writing that but if you're going to respond to comments from both of us shouldn't you @Toypop
Or are you just proving you're trolling now? I guess it just shows what you really thought of his comments that when you attributed them to me you respond that way.
Past that point you're not worth responding to.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@Toypop I definitely agree with you about the game journalist. I would even say that they're not really acting as defenders of the consumers but attempting to calm things down and ride the middle as long as possible so they don't look culpable.
I've seen so many articles that misrepresent the way CDPR handled this in a positive way while completing ignoring any problems that I can't agree with part of what you said but I do agree they acted completely unethically.
I hope people don't forgot that either. They probably will though.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@Toypop but you are white knighting. Maybe you don't intend to or mean to buy you are definitely white knighting the devs. You're not attacking them and no wants you to either but you're literally defending them non-stop and making excuses. You're also attacking other gamers which makes the least sense.
It's your choice what you want to support or not to support. I completely get that. I just don't understand why people have to defend them. They did something wrong. Even they apologized for it.
It just boggles my mind but it's your right and I support it. Doesn't mean I have to agree though.
@zekepliskin and you were wrong. He's not of my generation. Not that it matters but since you brought it up.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@Toypop the last sentence is what seals it for me.
It was rampant fanboism. Pure and simple. Sorry but I'm not taking their side against CDPR.
Do you lack that much self awareness?
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Patch 1.05 Out Now on PS5, PS4, Promises Improved Stability, Main Quest Bug Fixes, Better Enemy AI, and More
@Eadgar better not say that. You'll get a lecture from people who can't think past what someone tells them is best.
But that's the way it always was. Consumers have no control despite being the source of profit for the company.
People are complacent nowadays and they want a cookie for it too. Talk about entitled.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@zekepliskin lecture lecture lecture.
You didn't respond to anything else because you know there's no point.
You're wrong. He's wrong. Not my job to know how old you or he are.
Not all games are buggy messes. Nice that you ignore that for semantics.
And no the reason I call people paid shills are when they find it easier to sympathize with a billion dollar corporation than other human beings like themselves. Now you know.
Also you're going to lecture me about age when you're the one who brought up in the first place? That's some new level trolling there. I didn't make that part of the conversation you did.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@Toypop I didn't preorder.
No one knew about the rest of your stuff until after the embargo on reviews lifted well after the release of the actual game.
We were presented it as real footage.
I didn't expect a lot but you didn't even try. Why does it upset you so much that people got their money back and brought a lot of attention to what is a huge problem in the gaming world? I don't get it.
And for the record every game doesn't do that. I pre-ordered FFVII remake and Persona Royal and they worked fine. VII had a bit of texture pop in but no bugs or glitches. I'm willing to write Royal off as it's an update but Persona 5 also had no crashes and no problems.
Resident Evil 3? Pre-ordered and no crashes.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@zekepliskin you guessed wrong considering I'm nearly 30. I'm guessing you're a shill paid or not given the way you comment on everything I say telling me how wrong I am and insulting me.
It's kind of sad.
Just to add you know how many clients would tell me, if I delivered a ***** project that didn't meet expectations, that it was their own fault, they expected too much, and they were going to give me the time to fix it? Absolutely none.
@Toypop Sony didn't. They did because it was a horrible game and it made them look bad. They also probably did it because CDPR had a marketing deal with Microsoft which it's still on Xbox.
You realize that our actions are more than likely what caused Sony to pull it in the first place? White knighting implies we were all ok with it and Sony just saved us without us asking. They didn't. People got denied and didn't give up.
I know that doesn't count because it doesn't fit your narrow agenda need to look down at us. This is being responsible for your actions. They have to be responsible for theirs too. I don't understand how people can say we all have to be responsible but a business can just do whatever.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Consistent Crashing Issue Still Not Fixed on PS5, PS4 After Patch 1.05
@Emilebusinge yeah the city is large but there's little to do and so many decisions just baffle me. Like why for Sidegigs do I have to answer a call and then get a text message. Why can't it just be one or the other?
@zekepliskin says the person who's calling everyone who disagrees with him a troll. Funny how that works.
I'm sick of being told there's something wrong with enjoying the downfall of greedy companies or douchebags. There's not. They're getting why they deserve for attacking people who didn't like the game and saying they had no problems. Now they do. It's hilarious.
It's always nice when someone preaching politeness calls you ignorant and rude out of the side of their mouth. I've come to expect that from hypocrites though.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@Toypop I've heard this line before.
The difference is no one has ever made those companies pay for it. CDPR is paying for it.
You can't play victim when you are the victim. And you can just say it happened before so let's just sit down and take it like good boys and girls.
Nothing changes unless you do something. You realize that right?
Also people didn't buy the game sight unseen and I didn't preoders. CDPR and the media both decided to feed people fake performance and lie through their teeth.
If we keep letting it happen guess what? It keeps happening. I'm glad people finally decided they had enough. I can't see how anyone but a developer or someone in the industry could be upset about this.
You're just being a defeatist and an apologist for a corporate practice that has gone for too long.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Consistent Crashing Issue Still Not Fixed on PS5, PS4 After Patch 1.05
Hey at least you can take solace guys in the fact that a lot of the pc players who made fun of you can now not launch the game, are having saves deleted, seeing a 20 fps drop for no reason, and all sorts of fun stuff.
It's also disturbing to me that there are people in deep denial about the state of this game. I hope they're just paid trolls or something.
@jess3a3 don't know what you're on about. The coverage on here has been honest and balanced but most of the gaming media have been down on the knees for CDPR for the past week making excuses and acting like nothing's wrong. You must be reading something else.
Re: Poll: Did You Request a Cyberpunk 2077 Refund on PS5, PS4?
Cyberpunk is GOTY.
Glitch of the year.
I bought it on PC and refunded it at 11 hours. So glad I didn't get it on my PRO God it was horrible enough on something more powerful. The new 1.05 patch is preventing people from playing, deleting inventories and dropping pc framerates. Don't know how it is on Sony.
Horrible game and horrible company. I'll have flashbacks to doing that Delamin quest under the bridge forever. Stupid ai makes civilians duck so they get shot, them police then teleport in all around you cuz bad programming then you die. Over and over again.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@Toypop that's such an old fashioned way of thinking.
This is the new age. If you did you're one person, and there ways of giving people who don't pay money back just saying. All kinds of ways.
This is a company that did something wrong. They need to pay. You need to stop echoing the tired morality of a generation that spent years telling me that I don't know the meaning of money only know to tell me I think my money's worth too much.
Games are a product. If someone sold your toilet paper that made your ass bleed, no one would be saying well you should have known that toilet paper was bad.
It really boggles my mind.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
@Toypop so basically you won't hold the people responsible who actually lied outright about performance and features repeatedly.
I have to say I don't understand this frame of mind. It's the exact attitude that has allowed this sort of behavior to run rampant in the gaming industry. The sympathy train you're referring to has never existed. This is the reaction everyone every time this opens. People start the it's your own fault learn your lesson
This is no different then if I went to a doctor with great reviews for surgery and they cut my arm off instead of taking out my appendix. Except in that case no one would blame me and I could use for malpractice.
This is a product that was sold faulty. People pretend because it's a "complicated" game it's somehow different. It's not. If the new Avengers movie came out with bad special effects and half finished people would be rightfully upset especially if they had spent the whole effects budget on the trailer to mislead people and they would be right. This is no different.
I'll never understand victim blaming. I think it's sad.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@Mince let me just clarify something here.
I don't hold the coders and the people who actually made the game responsible for this. They have no control over deadlines and release of the game. Unfortunately that doesn't matter.
They work for the people who did. I was just reading a Bloomberg article about the the meeting that the employees hard with the board of the company yesterday and it was hostile.
However I can't help who they chose to work for and can't say I support saving the company just because people work there. That's not an acceptable reason and it sets a troubling precedent for just about every industry.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@Mince go read the market announcement that CDPR made to the shareholders.
They were discussing refunds with Sony and Sony then removed the game unilaterally and offered refunds. There was no agreement. They rushed the announcement out to comply with transparency requirements for the important people.
Don't tell me you're one of those people who believe CDPR wanted the game they rushed to release at the expense of the game itself removed 8 days after it released right before Christmas?
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@Mince that's what I was referring to.
Sony doesn't care if they go under either.
I mean why do you? They're a business. They made a bad decision. They wouldn't feel bad if I lost my job. It's weird to sympathize with a corporation.
Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PS Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
This is the right thing to do.
The game was rushed because shareholders got greedy. I'm assuming upper management did too with all the crunch.
Sony did the right thing.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@Mince apparently Sony doesn't care either.
Haha.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@Mince people work for lots of companies that go under through no fault or action of their own. This is not one of those cases. That's just an attempt to make feel bad. Go tell management at CDPR that, they're the ones who put their employees at risk not me.
You realize there's a pandemic, people have lost jobs, and they decided this was the best money time to lie about performance and content of a game to get money from people right? We can all appeal to the emotion.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@HEVIHITR read below first. Second no one made them release it. Celebrities and developers get death threats all the time and sadly it's part of being a public figure. That doesn't excuse the fact that they lied repeatedly and released a broken game that they said would work well.
I can't believe that gamers have sunk so low as to make excuses for a company worth billions over people like themselves. I'll never understand corporate loyalty and honestly it seems like the game had a message that that was screwed up as well. It's irony to the max.
@Mince you realize a company can't get death threats because it's not alive right?
Nice deflection. Death threats are bad. So is using them as an excuse for this release. It's like people have list they go through. Your computer is *****, when it's not. There are no bugs on my computer, when AI doesn't work properly on any computer and is classified by the developer as a bug, and my favorite something something death threats, which is not a valid excuse for anything.
Weren't you not going to talk to me anymore?
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@Mince you mean you ran out of misleading statements and lies? Cool.
If they hadn't lied so much and actually worked on the game more it could have been great.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@Mince lies again.
Sony and Microsoft have a refund system and refunds from PC weren't mentioned in that statement.
Both Microsoft and Sony said all they have to do is say the game is broken or defective and people will be able to get refunds outside their policy. Instead of doing this first they just announced and then cold feet because the shareholders didn't like it.
In other words, like most things about this game it was hot air.
I love the way you imply that everyone who dislikes the game is bias. It's a step up from claiming they haven't played it.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@HEVIHITR you know no one forced them to release it on them? No one forced them to say it worked well either.
They were greedy money grubbing people who wanted to maximize profit. They are absolutely responsible for a game they decided to release on those consoles.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@Mince so does CDPR.
That's why last night they said they'd refund and then back tracked when their shareholders got upset.
Of course they can't give permission to refund. They can declare the game is a broken product but that would be bad for business. They tried really hard to leave Sony and Microsoft holding the bag for the lack of refunds until their support started telling people they didn't receive any information from CDPR about the refunds.
I don't see how Sony fans are happy they tried to scapegoat. Usually we are very loyal.
And I know CDPR apologized for how bad it is on console. I also have seen people play it console.
I also know the AI isn't performance related. It's not programmed in the game. The cops spawning in front of you? Not performance related. It's coded that way.
But keep trying my man.
Also the ***** media has been up the games ass since before release. They literally were ok with NDAs about the glitches, not seeing any of the current generation (it's not last gen yet) performance and were ok with using precrerecorded footage from the developer instead of actual game footage. That doesn't really fit your victim narrative.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
@Mince are you talking about about CDPR? I don't know why they lied.
If you're talking about me I hope you're getting paid for the great job you're doing deflecting from the state of the game.
I can link you my review on steam after I refunded at 11 hours. It's instructions for how to request a manual refund on steam.
At that point I realized the first few hours of the game were the best it was gonna get and they were likely intentionally set up that way to prevent refunds.
Re: Cost of Fixing Cyberpunk 2077 Irrelevant, Says CD Projekt RED
It's a horrible mess even without the bugs. They cut lots of content that was promised and lied about so much even after the game was released. I bought it on PC because I was super suspicious about the whole not showing console gameplay.
It's a pretty but completely dead world with lots and lots of lifeless glitchy NPCs. There's literally no AI. Police have no cars and can't drive. Cars only go in straight lines and can't pass you so they stop forever.Bugs are expected but this is an Alpha game at best that we were told was finished and ready to go. Mind you, it doesn't work for some on PC with better rigs than mine.
I've never said this about anyone before but they deserve to burn for this.
I'm so glad Steam refunded me.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 (PS4) - The Potential of a Masterpiece, Totally and Utterly Unrealised
@Arnna how long would we wait before it was what it appears to be now? Vaporware.
It's not like they had a year or even two like a regular development house. They had very very close to a decade. That's a ridiculous amount of time to not be able to make a workable game in.
Edit: also it's playable and not horrible but playing it I just keep thinking why did it take so long to make this? Did they focus on the graphics instead of actually making any sort of NPC interaction or character building? Conversations use an archaic system that basically gives you an option to ask more and to go forward in dialogue. It's all very restrictive and illusionary.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Hovers Around 720p on PS4, Drops As Low As 15FPS
It works good on my PC but I don't get why it's so intensive. It's not really a next gen experience in a lot of ways. It plays like Deus Ex with a bigger city and more NPCs that do nothing but spout pre recorded lines. I don't get what makes that so difficult to do right?
Re: Xbox Series X|S Runs PS2 Games Better Than PS5
It's great to know that no one's interested in older games.
I guess rom sites get cease and desist as a pity thing and not because a large amount of people download games from them to play them. Good to know!
Re: Publisher of Poor XIII Remake Seems to Miss the Point with Apology Post
I'd like to point out that developers don't always make the decision on when a games released.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy With Your PS Plus Games for October 2020?
@SwankyPaladin I pay for the service and the games. Then I pay for continued access to the games. It's really simple really. If they were free I wouldn't have to pay to continue to use them.
Re: Soapbox: PS Plus Collection Isn't PS5 Game Pass, But Its Value Shouldn't Be Ignored
@OthmaneAD Gamepass advises when games are leaving. There's a whole expiring area on both PC and Xbox as well mobile notifications if you have the app. As well as Twitter. There are literally multiple ways to tell when things are leaving.
As for this, it is what it is. I don't particularly find myself upgrading just for games I already have and launch consoles always have issues at the some point. It may be great for a new person but with the strong sales of the PS4 who exactly is buying a PS5 as their first Sony console?
Re: Watch Dogs Legion - The Dullest Ubisoft Open-Worlder Yet
@Subsided using Asian countries as an example is kind of a bad idea because of the whole skin bleaching industry and beauty standard that revolves around having whiter and lighter skin.
On the topic of the game, I bought Watchdogs 1 recently and wasn't thrilled with it. I was thinking about getting 2 but just don't know if it's really worth the sale price. Seeing this I kind of get the feeling they're all the same and if I didn't care for the 1st I won't like any of them.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Dev 'Not Comfortable, but Confident' in December Release Date
Why don't they just stop giving release dates? At this point it's like some legacy act on a farewell tour.
This the last one! We promise!
Re: Bethesda Games Are Looking Increasingly Unlikely on PS5
All everyone did was make fun of Microsoft's exclusives this gen so I guess this is what you get when you do that.
Re: Another Indie Dev Suggests Sony's Denying PS Store Sale Requests
It always boggles my mind how people will bend over backwards to defend a corporation that doesn't care about them or their loyalty unless it generates them cash.
Sony is free to do what it wants. They provide the market. That doesn't mean we should all sympathize with them or somehow divorce the fact that this isn't Sony it's just their management or division. That is still Sony. Sony isn't alive, it's made of divisions and people.
Re: Reaction: PS5's User Experience Is Made for Modern Games
It seems like they're automating playing the games more and more now.
I guess some people are into the actual game telling you what to do at all times. I love maps and waypoints and guides as much as anyone but do I really need the game recommending what quests I should?
Re: Sony Launching New PS Store on Web and Mobile This Month
@Feena those console stores really don't work anymore.
A few years ago the PS3 store took forever to do anything. I doubt it's gotten better since then.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy With Your PS Plus Games for October 2020?
@SwankyPaladin that's just an excuse. I get that you guys enjoy defending a corporation that barely cares you exist but like the Nintendo diehards I could never do that myself.
The games aren't free. I pay for them. Multiplayer is what you're not actually paying for because most of it's not even handled by Sony.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy With Your PS Plus Games for October 2020?
Its about what I expect. They don't really give anything good.
Re: Bethesda Acquisition Will Not Impact PlayStation Immediately, Believes Pachter
Honestly I'd rather have the bethesda games then most of Sony's 1st party games. It's just games the more niche Japanese roleplaying games that make me get a Sony console and with FFXVI being only a timed exclusive and everything being on PC now I'm honestly considering getting out of consoles.
Re: Rumour: PS5 UI Leak Shows Boot Sequence, 664GB Usable Storage
Another reason for me to wait. That's not enough drive space and launch consoles always seem to have issues anyway.
Re: This Is the Real-Life Model Peter Parker's Face Is Based on in Spider-Man PS5
Are people really upset about this?
Why has no one used the word snowflakes to describe those people yet?
Re: Control PS5 Upgrade Controversy Worsens as Owners Accidentally Get Free Access to Ultimate Edition
This just confirms what we already knew.
They lied because they want more money.
Re: The Witcher 3 Announced for PS5, Free Upgrade for PS4 Owners
@RPE83 your comparison is completely misleading.
The problem with Control is that they're given updates to people who buy the game for the PS4 again in a NEW Package instead of just giving it to people who already bought it on the PS4. If they hadn't given an upgrade at all no one would have cared. Between that and the fact that this pretty much destroys their lameass "this is the only option we had" by proving that already bought games can be upgraded.
They made their mess and they deserve every bit of the reaction it got them.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy With You PS Plus Games for September 2020?
@TheRogueScotsman you mean like I would during a sale? I guess any game I buy at a discount is free now?
Edit: and with plus I only have access while I subscribe. I pay for the games and access to them.
Re: PS5 Won't Play PS3, PS2, or PS1 Games
I don't understand why not. We had PS1 on the PS3 and PS2 on the PS4? We can't have both on the PS5? It's just stupidity on their part and the market is there or they wouldn't have made the PS1 classic. They just want to sell us unnecessary hardware or force streaming.
Also just cuz I saw someone claiming otherwise the PS3 was backwards compatible with PS1 games for all models and 2 for the original launch model. The PS4 also at least had half ass compatibility digitally with PS2 games. So wrong!