Watch Dogs Legion could, and probably should, be so much better than this. Following two entries that introduced and refined the open-world hacking concept across the PlayStation 4 generation, Ubisoft has stagnated in an effort to heavily promote a new feature it hasn't managed to capitalise on. The result is an experience that feels overtly familiar and dull despite the seemingly innovative mechanic at the forefront of the French publisher's marketing campaign. Watch Dogs Legion lets you play as everyone, then gives you very little reason to do so.
There's simply no beating around the bush: the ability to assume the role of every single NPC making up post-Brexit London is a colossal disappointment. It works in the ways it needs to — highlighting potential recruits for DedSec with a quick glance at the sort of skills they could bring to the table — but there's hardly ever a compelling enough reason to actually deviate from the character you've already sort of fallen into playing as.
Let's double back and give this some context though. Near future London has been transformed into a dystopian surveillance state after a series of terrorist attacks brought the English capital to its knees. DedSec, the hacking collective from both Watch Dogs and Watch Dogs 2, is framed for one such attack, turning public opinion against them and forcing its members to operate in secret. You play as these tarnished characters. In fact, you could play as them all.
The defining mechanic of Watch Dogs Legion allows you to change the protagonist of this story by recruiting another person off the street and then doing it over and over again. Everyone has a problem in their lives and you're on hand to solve it. This is done by analysing the public, measuring up what perks you'd like them to come with, then completing a basic loyalty mission to add them to your ranks. In theory, the idea is to build up an army of DedSec members each with their own unique abilities to make completing the 15-hour campaign that little bit easier.
Except Watch Dogs Legion never, ever provides an engaging enough reason to do so. The talents these characters come with are largely uninteresting, with most based on minor boosts to basic stats or quirky traits that have little to no impact on how you actually play the game. Why would we switch to an Operative who comes with the possibility of dying randomly? They work as goofy one-liners when you're out exploring the open-world, but in practical terms, the character is useless.
And that's a notion that runs through the heart of far too many of London's occupants. Every single character plays exactly the same, utilising the same selection of weapons and poor stealth mechanics no matter how unfit for combat they are. It gets to the point where even those Operatives who are uniquely equipped with something useful fall by the wayside. A construction worker can spawn a Cargo Drone at will, but they're in such abundance that you never need to think about where to source one. An internet celebrity can call for a motorcycle whenever he pleases, but we don't need to tell you about the traffic in London to know that vehicles are very, very easy to come by.
As such, it all ends up feeling like one huge let-down. Watch Dogs Legion fails to provide a meaningful reason for actively switching between characters on the fly and always being on the lookout for new recruits. Anything one Operative can do, another could do just as well. When a game that so desperately wants you to constantly change your protagonist and playstyle can be comfortably beaten without engaging with the mechanic at all, there's something up. The "play as anyone" concept will continue to be one with potential then because Ubisoft hasn't realised it.
What that leaves us with then is the same gameplay loop that has fuelled the two previous instalments in the franchise. And, well, it's getting far too stale. Most missions are dull affairs, consisting of sneaking into enemy territory to steal information and files through hacking — much of what you already did to enter the base and then leave it. Seriously, our L1 button has never seen so much action.
Competent controls and shooting mechanics make combat serviceable (the same can't be said for driving), providing some enjoyable moments in the thick of the action. Don't get us wrong, the campaign does have a smattering of high points that will keep you pushing through its more monotonous moments, they're just nothing you haven’t already seen before. Case in point are the hacking puzzles and Spiderbot minigames — a mainstay of Watch Dogs 2 but also pretty fun in this follow-up.
One complete contrast to the story of Marcus Holloway, however, is the dreadful narrative of Watch Dogs Legion. We've already touched on the initial set-up because that's just about all the title has going for it as the fear the plot would suffer as a result of the "play as anyone" concept becomes a reality. Ubisoft's commitment to remaining apolitical means it has to try and dance around themes so politically fuelled that it's impossible not to hold some sort of opinion, and it just doesn't work. The narrative comes off so phoney as a result — just say what you think Ubisoft and own it instead of skirting the conversation.
And don't get us started on the dialogue and accents. The fixed characters who have an actual identity get a pass, but the conversations your Operatives hold with each other and the supporting cast are absolutely atrocious. An awful script means you’ll be laughing at dialogue a lot, lot more than you will with it. From ludicrous opening statements a protagonist can make to try and recruit someone to Dedsec through to generally poor writing, some of the lines really are the worst of the worst. Then the lip-sync is just as bad, making a mockery of any potential the script could have had in the first place.
At least London looks pretty good whilst you're spouting nonsense. A good bit of virtual tourism can be done in the open-world as the classic landmarks of the capital city are faithfully restored in digital form. Just ignore all the bright, definitely-not-political neon they've been decorated with. To be fair, Ubisoft has done a great job of putting together a realistic recreation of London, complete with eight different boroughs that make for a fairly vast space to explore. You'll come across neat, little streets that you didn't think you'd recognise from real-life trips taken before a global pandemic and small touches that only a seasoned Londoner could pick up on. It's a cool novelty that never really wears off.
One more thing we couldn't quite get over is how much time was spent waiting to actually play Watch Dogs Legion. Lengthy load times are required to access the open world on PS4 and the same goes for fast travel and switching between characters. The game has clearly been designed with the PlayStation 5 in mind as it pushes the current-gen console to its limit with multiple hard crashes back to the system's home screen when things become too much. Throw some consistent lighting glitches into the mix and the title cannot be considered top of the line in its current state.
Considering the potential Watch Dogs Legion was packing prior to launch, the final release can only be chalked up as an anticlimax. Its "play as anyone" concept doesn't lend itself well to the sort of experience Ubisoft has crafted with seriously lacklustre character options and a narrative that went down the drain as a result. While longtime fans may find its recycled gameplay loop just enough of a reason to keep playing, those enamoured with the possibility of playing as anyone and everyone will wish they never bothered. Watch Dogs Legion is the dullest of the lot.
can this series die already?
Oof...I personally wasn't expecting much from this one, but definitely didn't expect this low of a score.
I've never been impressed with this series, It clearly has progressively become worse. Was expecting something a little more on this one, but ubisoft clearly hasn't changed.
if you really want this game, it's honestly the most fun I've had from a watchdogs, gameplay can be buggy but for the most part, it's smooth, the campaign is generic for the most part, missions are pretty fun. honestly, it isn't as bad as the reviewers are saying, people have different preferences and I think watch dogs legion is a damn solid game, however, wait til this game hits like 20 dollars then its worth it.
Ouch — but hardly a surprise. Played WD1&2, never even got halfway through. This one seems to fall into the same pitfalls and then some.. Shame as I was hoping this would be the one that worked it all out. Ah well, wait for a generous sale or PS+ then.
Ubisoft have been making the same game since 2007. It's insane!
@zebric21 every game seems a missed opportunity
Harsh review. Game is fun!
Wow Ubisoft are really the masters of making the most mediocre games out there
@LiamCroft Will you be trying out the PS5 version? If so a couple of cons from PS4 version should be solved with better loading times and better lighting with ray tracing etc. It won’t make the game any better but least it’s a couple of positives that could bump the score up to a 6.
@MaccaMUFC Yes, we will be covering the PS5 version.
@Caliburn08 there just seems to be a huge lack of imagination at the company when it comes to their key franchises... they all adopt a similar if not identical template, and rarely deviate from it. As a result their games often feel like a chore as opposed to fun.
I did really enjoy Watch Dogs 2 to be fair, after the sea of mediocrity that was the first. Still, the low reviews here make me a little disappointed.
The "play as anyone" pitch sounded fun back in the trailers but I wasn't impressed when I watched gameplay. That and the bad stealth was really apparent in the videos I've seen.
WOW HARSH REVIEW! I'm 5 hours in and so far I'm really digging it. I would rate it an 8 so far. Though if missions tend to be repetitive then i see how a 7 would fit better. I dont regret buying it dmtough
oof just oof.... Put it down already
Despised the first one, but loved the second one. I was watching a buddy of mine play Legion last night, and it looks really boring. None of the gameplay held my interest. Definitely skipping this one.
@fabisputza00 I agree, I've only played a few hours, but really enjoying it so far. I may biased that it's set in my town but I really loved WD2 as well. I find it refreshing to be able to create your own missions and do everything non-leathal if you desire.
I find that any game that has that "catch 'em all" style gameplay to be mostly worthless.
Once I find the character or team of characters that works, I never have to switch.
Ni No Kuni I found I used the same familiars through the whole game.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 I used the same Blades through pretty much the whole game except for required use during some segments.
I am sure there are others that I just can't think of right now.
Bottom line is that, for me, once I have my character/party, I am set unless there is some requirement that has me switching things up.
@AhabSpampurse could agree more the Assassins Creed Brotherhood and Black Flag and Far Cry 3 were amazing games but after that was a sea of mediocrity from Ubisoft their games are literally synonymous with mediocrity
This franchise never had a future to begin with, so it was funny how everyone try to hype up this game forgetting that this is Ubisoft
Averaging 73 on metacritic over with 25 reviews
I really enjoyed WD2 so if this is more of the same then I'm up for it. The PS4 version crashing a lot is concerning though so I'll probably get the PS5 version when I eventually pick one up.
Edit: After watching some streamed gameplay and seeing it updated with patches I've just bought it from the store. I think it looks like good fun.
Yikes... I guess Ubi kinda dropped the ball on this one huh? They should make a new Rayman game.
Interesting, multiple reviewers I typically go (aside from you all) have said the play as anyone gimmick is great and offers immersive sim-like gameplay possibilities. Maybe difficulty level/perma-death impacts how useful switching between characters is??
Sounds like outside of the choose your own characters from the world, which I always felt was an aspect that was gonna sink or swim, the game feels like just another edition of “The Ubisoft Game”. Basically the question is if you want more of what you’ve already enjoyed multiple times prior or something fresh?
How is Neon political???
@Deadlyblack Ubisoft love the "play as anyone" approach as you don't need to write good characters/stories that way.
They did the same in ZombiU, play as anyone.
Been playing it, it’s the best watchdogs ever, i hope they keep update it with more story, graphic update, fluent movement and more life to the city ..like casual mission like hang out, eat for a change
I’m usually a sucker for a Ubisoft open world game, but I’ve never really got on with the Watch Dogs games. I didn’t finish WD1, and barely touched WD2. Suffice to say I haven’t bought this. Am more excited about AC Valhalla!
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Not a surprise really. The first game was just ok and I didn't like the characters in the 2nd. I am not even going to bother wasting my time and money with this one
Ubisoft is just a nicer Electronic Arts. Change my Mind.
Ow, that hurts. Ubisoft seem to have the worst writing team in gaming. We've seen good narrative this gen from both big and small studios, how can they keep getting it so wrong? I wanted to want this game, its my home town but I'll pick it up for a £5 just to take a look around the environment.
I still want to give this a go, but it sounds like my worst fears have come to fruition. Don't have time to play now so was always going to wait for a sale.
It's disappointing, but great review Liam!
Doesn't the whole idea of playing as NPCs immediately negate the point of them being exactly that, NPCs?
I will probably play this one day as a mindless open world box ticker but I wasn't expecting much. The play as anyone thing always turned me off and the Watch Dogs formula already felt stale by the first game.
Mediocrity and Ubisoft go hand n hand
Ubisoft. Ubisoft never changes
Not surprising review
I liked the first one, a bit dark bit grim
2nd was trash quite possible the worse characters in a game in recent times, didn't even finish it could bring myself to it usually if I get a new game turns out to be trash ill still drag myself through for the sake of it.
But ill pass on this, im hoping Valhalla is ubisofts saviour
Agreed, not at all surprising.
I liked the first two games. Second one was better in a lot of ways. But it feels like they’re trying to be hip and cool and failing miserably. Oh look, hacking... cool riiiigght wink wink, finger pistols
The way they‘be handled politics feels a little juvenile too 🙄
I read an article yesterday (on another site) completely ripping a selection of character bios for the npc’s they encountered. I’ve never laughed so much. Talk about random...
My copy arrived today so I’ll be giving it a go myself this weekend.
This surprised me!
From what I had seen from the few reviews, it seemed like a decent game, better than the previous ones and the pay as anyone changed things up - especially with perma death. The mini games were not a strong point and the campaign story was 'average' but all in all a solid 7-8 - so I was quite surprised by this.
That is NOT a criticism and I believe everyone has the right to their opinion. Its also well written and I can totally see how you derived your score from the review and based on it, I would say you justified it. I hate reading a review and it sounds like a 9 but gets a 7 or vice versa and I find it hard to see why it was scored as such but I have no such issue here.
I can't say I was particularly looking forward to this at all, although I was mildly interested as someone from the UK and one of the few games promising Ray Tracing on next gen. However, in combination with other reviews too, I think I will give this a miss unless it comes to a subscription service in the future - not gonna waste money on it - and maybe by then the bugs will be fixed - at least loading will with next gen...
This is exactly what i feared. The play as anyone concept made it inevitable that the story telling would be extremely weak in this title.
With that said, the PS5 should clear up the technical issues and the allure of being able to visit London at a time where that isn't currently possible is tempting. I think this is definitely a wait for a sale.
Great review @LiamCroft
@Rob_230 Cheers mate!
Eh, I’ll still get it. Most of the complaints are that it’s nothing new and to be honest, I just wished 2 had more missions because I loved it.
That’s saying something if this is Ubi’s dullest open world yet, the first WD was atrociously boring.
@pushps5news i deadass have no idea why they hate it sm
for god's sake ubi clearly stated on wd2 that this series is more abt the gameplay n fun than the story n shi. this whole article is you crying abt the non-npc thing
Was going to pick this up after i was shockingly surprised by watch dogs 2
Ill now wait for this to go on Ps Plus or a bargain bin sale
I picked up watchdogs 2, mainly cause cause it's set in the Bay Area. And with this endemic(?) It allowed me to travel the bay again, freely...somewhat. legions might be the only way I get to experience London, in the meanwhile. But I'll wait for a sale.
Wow, I wasn’t expecting that. The review even reads like it’s worse than a five. I’ve already paid for it so I guess I’m stuck with it now. With all the other stuff coming out on the PS5 day one, I think this will end up staying in box now.
I was hoping this game would be better, but I'm not too surprised by this review.
@EquiinoxGII 2 is the best one, so no it didn't.
Seems like a real, non politically driven review, unlike so many bumping the score because it preaches left wing values and stances about modern day
@LTPenguin I was preordering the PS5 and I just preordered a bunch of the launch games at the same time so I can just walk in pick up the stuff and get out.
To be honest, I’ve been gaming for almost 40 years and I’m struggling to think of the last game I preordered from a retailer.
To be honest, I don’t really care about reviews. I’ll still pay and finish this even if it got a 1. But this just means I’ll start with Miles Morales first. Then maybe this when I’ve finished that.
@Coltaine22 everyone will have different tastes, good yourself loved the game, but personally I didn't. Opinions are good
Does this still have the hacking game of invading another players game? Cause that was a laugh and probably the best thing in the watchdog games!
Ouch. Well I’ll get it used or next year’s Black Friday.
@darksoul77 That's coming in an update in December.
This should literally surprise no one.
The bad reviews is not shocking at all when the main selling point of this game is you can play as your grandma.
The two Italian sites I follow rated it 7 and 8.7; both agree that "Play as Everyone" is a funny and greatly working system. 🤷♂️
@Slippship Just because you personally don't agree with the writer's opinion that doesn't in any way make it a bad review
Yet some people think releasing game after game is a good thing. It can never be good, just more copy-pasting not much else. Watched the animations of the Valhalla horses and they're straight ctrl+v from Odyssey, how do you support this. Only great game I see coming out this year from Ubi is IFR.
They've taken away/reduced to nothing all the mechanics that made the original Watch_Dogs so good and so interesting.
This series was dead when the first game came out and it didn't look like they showed it, I played WD1 and was ok at first but can't pull myself to even continue to play it. I then decided to play the PC version and it more broken than the PS4 version. Can't have the highest antistropic setting at 8x because it litterly cripples the framerate even on a titan GPU, like every game UbiSoft seem to release open world rubbish with nothing in it but towers to climb to reveal the map and boring fetch and search quests
This series always felt a bit dead to me and this part is the summum. IGN is more positive, but its video review speaks for itself. It looks dead on the inside, this.
its ubisoft cut and paste formula add in micro transactions artificial grind . they just want to suck all the fun out of a game,.
@zebric21 Never agreed more with a sentence than this one.
It's such a bland and uninteresting series. Nothing great comes from it
@fR_eeBritney yeah ubi always try to play it cool but it never works. Like their live streaming shows are just cringy!
Ouch. I had a better feeling about this game than I did Valhalla.... It sounds like the W_D curse has yet to lift. This explains the excessive marketing push.
I actually liked the first game. Played it after the hype died down. The protagonist was cardboard and worthless. But the mood and feel of the game was fantastic. The second one was cringey but fixed some gameplay problems. This actually looked cool.
Sad to see it's not as expected. Though I do wonder how much the technical problems contributed to the negative feelings of the game, since that should be negated on the next-gen version. Sometimes the more you sit and wait at load screens the more negative your mood becomes and the more you sour on the gameplay loop.
Have too agree with this review I loved watchdogs 2 thought it was miles better than the first.Only played legion for a few hours long load times as stated and crashed 3 times.The voice acting is terrible and havent had much interest in the story.Gameplay wise its ok regret buying the ultimate edition.Think il leave it on ps4 for now see how the ps5 version turns out disappointed overall first impressions.
@fabisputza00 perhaps you should finish the game before worrying about arbitrary
The only Ubisoft games I play are Far Cry but even they are losing their lustre. FC5 and ND was a bug-addled mess with mission structures so broken it’s impossibly to 100% without a guide or simply aimlessly wandering around the huge map for hours on end after clearing all the enemies, which isn’t fun either way.
Watchdogs and Assassins Creed games both have major problems too and are bland as hell.
Everyone seems to always give Ubisoft a pass. It’s suspicious that most sites reviews of their games are always positive. Don’t want to lose that lucrative free code huh?
I can't tell any Ubisoft games apart tbh. They all look and play the same but with different titles...
Does this have nauseatingly long load times like AC:O? I lasted about 30 mins before I couldn’t take it anymore. Add that to dull dialogue/characters and one of the worst menu systems I’ve ever encountered in a modern video game.
Also why to all Ubisoft games look identical graphically? They are just getting lazy.
@Tchunga completely agree. This kind of fallacy comes up all the time. “This review sucks because it was scored a 7 and not an 8!!” Seriously???
Also the game has been out for about a day so any user reviews are going to be redundant at this point. You can’t review a game after playing for a handful of hours.
@LiamCroft a very well written review and much of what you said comes across in the gameplay I've seen. Ubisoft have some very talented people but they really need to let them break free from the one size fits all blueprint they work with. That said Assassin's Creed Valhalla does look a lot more promising than this, so hopefully that turns out better
@Subsided rolls eyes - make sure you jump at the chance to make some vague political comment about supposed left wing bias in game reviews. Which doesn’t actually exist, btw.
@Arnna you can hardly read a watch dogs review without how it's relevant and a sign of our times, with clear bias. Being ignorant to these things is just...well...a very left thing to do
@Subsided It has an anti-fascist message, which is of course a sign of the times. If any publications make mention of this they are bias? Really? Art imitates life and vice versa.
If this truly bothers you I don’t know what to say. Sounds like you are triggered because it doesn’t align with your bias.
Side note: Most AAA which decide to include any commentary on the world do it in the safest and most vague and watered down way so they can pander to the widest audience. I’d like to see a publisher have the guts to actually say something. As it stands it’s lazy and cowardly most of the time.
It video games want to be taken seriously like perhaps a good film or book, they need to get off the fence and actually say something substantial.
Obviously not all games need this but when we have a game which is about resistance fighters in a fascist state you’d have to be incredibly ignorant or in complete denial to expect publications not to mention it or to draw parallels between it and the current state of the world where we are 1000% seeing fascist leaders and parties pop up all around the place.
Here's praying they don't decide to resurrect Splinter Cell. As much as I love it and would dearly love to see it return I feel they cannot put together a good title these days.
@Arnna and we see the left wing bias where people like Boris Johnson and Trump are labeled Fascist by the crazies that don't understand what fascism actually is
@Subsided No they aren’t fascists in the traditional sense but some of their policies are openly racist or xenophobic which is why people make those comparisons. Brexit was by and large a thinly veiled exercise in spreading xenophobic anti-immigration messages under the guise of something else. To get votes from uneducated and jingoistic citizens who will lap up any fear mongering thrown at them by the Daily Mail.
Meanwhile at the same time countries like the Philippines, Greece, Italy, and America have seen a spike in actual fascist organisations and political parties. Actual organised groups which have been proven to exist by the FBI and other analysts. So far there is little to no evidence that ANTIFA is even real, which is one thing the right seem to cling to like it’s a smoking gun.
This kind of political climate is pretty damn similar to pre war Germany. It’s not exactly a reach to come to that conclusion based on the behaviour of the leaders of major countries recently.
So how is this not relevant to mention in a review of a game loosely based around these themes?
There are a certain cross section of gamers who wring their hands and spontaneously combust whenever a reviewer even mentions anything from a sociopolitical standpoint. Like it’s a personal attack on their perceived sense of justice.
Art reflects life. Which is why we see some progressive themes and elements in video games. Like diversity for instance. Which seems to be a notion that triggers the hell out of conservatives. So game journalists shouldn’t mention anything related to these themes? Seriously?
Sorry, but I didn’t see any far-left ‘crazies’ making death threats or rape threats over twitter when TLOU2 came out. But the alt-right and conservatives certainly did.
@God_of_Nowt thank you. I enjoyed reading your last post too. Voice of reason.
We are FAR past the point where games have no social or political statements within them. Or reflections of the current world. Good or bad.
This isn’t the 80s or the 90s where every character is a cardboard cutout of Rambo, rescuing bikini clad women from gay -panic villains. The world progresses. The world moves forward.
I’m quite sure that if the wheel had been invented in the last two years there would still be people stubbornly dragging their carts around in the mud, muttering about how awful change is, while everyone else evolves.
I told ya, I warned ya about Ubisoft's garbage. Now look at ya, crying in the yard like when I first met ya!
I honestly don't know how people play their cringy titles anymore, they just seem to be getting worse.
Next up on the blindly obvious is gonna be crap bandwagon: Valhalla😀
@Ichiban can’t say I disagree. Their games aren’t completely broken but they have soooo many bugs and have become bloated and grindy and predictable. Such a massive company you’d think their stuff would be more polished and playtested.
But hey, they are no EA either.
@Arnna and here we see someone who's been watching nothing but one sided bai's media, your ideas about things like Brexit are based on left wing misinformation, and being anti immigration is not xenophobic, it's about letting in massive quantities of people without the ability to support those people while also leaving the parts of the world they're coming from in a state of disrepute, in your one sided bias you don't seem to see how it's not good for all the good people to leave half the world to the worst of people while crying about war being bad, and failing to recognize that high population countries have the lowest quality of life, now elaborate on how any of that even remotely involves race
I honestly expected this, but had hope I was gonna be wrong. Maybe Valhalla will hit it out of the park, we’ll see.
@Subsided Nope. I just don’t read tabloid media.
There is exactly no evidence that any kind of mass immigration was occurring or going to occur outside of the normal volumes.
You can put it under whatever smokescreen you like, but those politicians knew exactly what they were doing - using fear mongering to achieve their goal by using language like ‘mass’, ‘flooding’, ‘armies’ to describe migrants coming into the UK.
This kind of alarmist rhetoric was amplified by tabloid newspapers who are read widely by the working class and the uneducated who take these statements at face value because they don’t know any better.
Coupled with the usual fear mongering aimed at the working class like “they’ll take out jobs” this becomes about xenophobia and racism and more recently, Islamophobia. The UK has seen this before with migrants from Pakistan and India during the 70s and 80s. Pretty sure that didn’t destroy the country.
It’s all hysterical nonsense when you look at the facts. Oxford University studied the numbers and found:
“Net migration to the UK was estimated to be 270,000 in 2019, down from a peak of 331,000 in the year ending March 2015”
That’s a difference of 61,000 people which is utterly negligible when you consider the population of the UK is 66 million. So please explain the ‘strain’ this puts on the UK financially or indeed ANY other way.
If Boris or any other politician spouting this stuff had any integrity they would work to dispel the ugly hysterical racism in the tabloid media, but they didn’t because it absolutely served their larger purpose which is quite revolting.
So trying to tell me racism wasn’t involved is churlish at best.
@God_of_Nowt Bias doesn't need a place for reviews though, to the point where it affects score, any relevance to modern day, perceived or actually there shouldn't affect a score, and I believe it does, it seems like a constant trend where preachy ends up somehow equaling good, I'm less bias for the simple reason I study every side and aspect which is more then can be said about the vast swath of dumb sheep
@PeterN80 we need to get far away from numerical scores. They mean absolutely bugger all. People that base their purchases on a number are actually hurting their potential enjoyment of titles and narrowing their options substantially. Reviews are subjective. SMH.
@Arnna you're just looking at surface info, refugees flooding in is much different from the natural immigration process, numbers are less important then the methods and lack of preparation, and the fact is these people coming over arent in any way a part of UK culture, all it's doing is narrowing the world to creating multiple societies in a smaller space while as I stated before the other half of the world goes to hell, how is that helpful, fact is you can look at modern work environments so see that all that changed is exactly that, there's very little if any race mixing from any aspect but now we're all clustered. And in this way it's more people for the same amount of everything including jobs, but are you gonna say it's some random coincidence you can say go into a bottle depot and see nothing but east indians, is that not accepted discrimination
@Subsided show me a review where a mention of socio political issues has lowered the score. There is no way to prove this either way.
Far Cry 5 was criticised for leaning half-way into a statement on rural militia in America, and rightly so because it was half-assed and the publisher then back-tracked to pander to some people in rural America who took exception to the ‘stereotype’ which isn’t really a stereotype when you look at the FBI’s list of domestic terrorists and militia who are almost exclusively from rural areas and almost exclusively white people.
Talking about sociopolitical issues isn’t necessarily bias it’s a discourse on art imitating life and vice versa. YOU NOT LIKING what is being talked about is an entirely seperate issue.
@Subsided please provide any evidence that illegal immigration/refugees or even children born to illegal immigrants is any more than a negligible number. I’ve looked at the census data. Have you?
Your assertion that immigrants are eroding the culture of the country is absolute bollocks and reeks of xenophobia.
You are even using language like ‘flooding’ for goodness sake...
“More people for the same amount of jobs” is a ridiculous fallacy. You are literally parroting tabloid newspaper headlines at this point. Countries like America/UK/Australia are literally built on the hard work of immigrants and those immigrants not only bring diversity and their own cultures but also bolster the economy with their hard work.
What the actual f*** does people at a recycling depot have to do with anything?
Some random anecdote about East Asians?
We have bottle depots in my country too and people use them to supplement their incomes. So what? It takes a lot of leg work to make any money from that. How the hell does this take away something from you?
You’re way out of your depth. I can read between the lines. The worst thing about people like you is you have xenophobic or racist views but don’t have the balls to just admit it. Much easier to hide behind some proxy reason.
@PeterN80 I completely agree with you with your points on reviews and how it links to consumer behaviour.
I just don’t think numerical scoring makes any sense. People should find other ways to justify a purchase.
The sunk cost fallacy is a very real thing! I have learned over the years that I should just stop playing if I don’t enjoy it and it really doesn’t matter long term.
This might be a struggle for people who are completionists or have OCD. This would be pretty unpleasant.
You can get a refund on PSN under most countries consumer laws, but they make it a very unintuitive process deliberately. Even after download it’s illegal in most nations which have robust consumer laws for Sony to refuse a refund.
@Arnna and here we see the left name calling to silence debate, flooding is based on literally drives of immigrants and refugees lining up outside of borders in the thousands so yes "flooding" the country, or are you ignorant to that happening?
Bottle depot was just a reference due to the fact I went to one yesterday, point is there's many places that specifically only hire their own races, so yes when they don't hire people already in the UK and have racist preferences it is a problem, not an erosion of culture, now you're just trying to out words in my mouth to deny my points, the fact is these people coming in don't speak the language and have a different culture, one that values collectivism which is exactly why all you get is one sector of the country now specifically for whichever race, but you clearly haven't been out enough to see that, there's no large diverse groups on people, just everyone in their own sect, only closer and sharing half the world instead of the whole world, where ironically with the exception of White dominated countries have 0 diversity, so.explain how the people in these only countries accepting others are racist lol. Biggest problem with the left is they seek to force rapid social evolution through forced indoctrination through media and schools as opposed to allowing things to change over multiple generations of gradual change, and righting wrongs across the world
Alright, this comments section has gotten wildly off-topic. Let's return to talking about Watch Dogs Legion.
I just showed you there is no ‘flood’ using data from Oxford. What flood?
“and the fact is these people coming over arent in any way a part of UK culture”
No you didn’t use the word ‘erosion’ but it’s close enough. People from other countries don’t have the same culture as in the UK?
Well obviously. You’re using the well worn argument that immigrants don’t ‘assimilate’ into the UK culture which is just crap. Decades of immigration from East Asian countries didnt do anything negative you can prove.
You’ve provided ZERO evidence to back up what you’ve said aside from random anecdotal stuff which is filled with fallacies and misinformation.
@LiamCroft ROGER. 😊
@Arnna Who said negative, the point is that all it creates is separate societies within the same country while half the world is left to go to ruin, it's about erosion of the world, because not only are the places they flee left in a sordid state it's a statistical fact that higher population countries have a reduced quality of life, and here you are supporting half the world falling to ruin as you think we should accept everyone while abandoning entire countries to the worst of people, while also increasing the population, in such a way where yes higher populations means less work and for an employee to be less valued as they're more easily replaced and at best are forced to work worse jobs that don't care about employees one iota, and many jobs now only hire people of their own race, because they only feel comfortable around their own race even when coming to the UK and it's why you'll see things like job listings saying a completely different non official UK language being an asset, because what you fail to see while judging those whoa re already here is that the people coming here are far more racist, not outwardly but in an ingrained way where they come from a place of 0 diversity and cluster together, and I'm guessing you've never been a minority in a workplace but if you were you'd realise that regardless of race once there's large groups of one race there's always gonna be racists in those groups while everyone does nothing, this is especially true for "minorities" because being in a different country and from a collectivist culture they form tight not groups and can't risk speaking against the group.
@Subsided one main reason we have pockets of ethnic cultures who find it harder to assimilate or keep to themselves is the attitudes of sections the larger White population treating them like second class citizens. They don’t feel welcome because of horrible newspaper headlines which influence and create divisons.
All it takes is a smile and a friendly greeting sometimes. There is a huge non English speaking Chinese population where I live and I’ve seen the affect of kindness first hand. Even with language barriers, a smile or some kindness is universal.
Don’t try to tell me I don’t understand being a minority. I’m queer. We have it a lot better than immigrants. I only get awful ***** yelled at me about once a month. I also happen to be white so I am cognisant of white privilege so I actually think about how my actions affect others. Try doing the same instead of complaining about a problem that doesn’t exist and behaving accordingly.
@Arnna seems like you're into blaming white people for everything, real woke lol, and yet if you've worked in a place with an ethnic minority as the majority then explain why they all speak in their own language, how is being exclusionary towards every other worker the fair of whites? White privilege is just the excuse of the ignorant that can't comprehend that as I pointed out, that's how large groups of one race are, and whites are the largest in white countries but doesn't change the fact in any pockets of those countries any large racial group is racist towards others because there's no real meaningful joining of these groups, and that's even more true in the 0 diversity countries they come from, it's awfully funny that you blame the one culture that actually welcomes people for being unwelcoming and yet turn a blind eye to the other cultures never ending history of exclusion before and after coming to a different country. But that's the problem, the left is also so singular minded, seeing the whole world as whatever country they love in without paying attention to other countries suffering or culture, as of minority countries are a mecha for cultural diversity when in fact they are anything but
@Subsided Hahahaha oh the poor subjugated white people!! Let’s all shed a tear.
I never said the majority of people in my community are non English speakers. I said I don’t treat them like crap and I am kind to them. Being being inclusive never hurt anyone.
Why not learn a greeting in their language and then use it as an ice breaker?
No... couldn’t do that because it might hurt your precious pride.
The whole basis of your argument is some parts of the community don’t conform to your standards and it somehow makes the country worse to allow immigration. If you refuse to believe white privilege has had a long lasting and negative effect on the planet you are delusional.
The entire tone of all your posts are absolutely dripping in xenophobia. You’re a scared, sad little person who will only become more miserable if you retain these attitudes. I’m done with you.
@Arnna my point is that people from other countries separate themselves and we're left with double the people for half the land, basically shrinking the world in 1/2 the size and abandoning the rest and it doesn't result in unity, every country has races just grouping together and making money societies within one country as opposed to multiple countries, which also puts a strain of resources, hence the factual reality the most populated countries are the worse off, and with a higher population employees can be treated like dirt and many jobs are now race based. You seem blind to the realities of the world, to glued on someone being white to understand these things, failing to grasp that white nations are the only nations with diversity, go live in any middle eastern country and then say white people are privlidged there, or indian, or asian, but like I said left wingers are narrow minded, can't grasp that it's not a white thing, it's a majority group thing
@Subsided using Asian countries as an example is kind of a bad idea because of the whole skin bleaching industry and beauty standard that revolves around having whiter and lighter skin.
On the topic of the game, I bought Watchdogs 1 recently and wasn't thrilled with it. I was thinking about getting 2 but just don't know if it's really worth the sale price. Seeing this I kind of get the feeling they're all the same and if I didn't care for the 1st I won't like any of them.
Disappointing, I liked the first game a lot and was hoping this would bring me back in but stuff I'm hearing hasn't been great. Maybe I'll get it some day in a sale.
Ubisoft typical .remember the first watch dogs how they lied to everyone at how good the game looked and then it dident look half that good same with the division it’s just not on if ya gunna do a job do it properly can’t stand this company and there sleeze bosses!
@lordzand As someone who played about 10 hours of the first one, and mostly hated it, I would say give WD2 a fair shake.
The first one is a miserable slog, but I genuinely loved Watch Dogs 2. A lot of the core mechanics are the same, like the shooting and hacking stuff, but every single other aspect is improved exponentially. The core cast of characters are genuinely good, likable people and both the writing and voicing are shockingly good. The plot is basic cyber-thriller stuff, and largely forgettable, but it's really just there to give the game some kind of forward momentum to get to the excellent character stuff.
Seriously, give it a shot, you might be pleasantly surprised, I certainly was.
@LiamCroft What would you score the game if patches would fix the crashed and long loading? Would it make much of a difference or is the core of the game so bad, you would never recommend it anyway?
@Subsided @Arnna Please don’t ignore my warning. Your conversation is incredibly off-topic and stops now.
@LiamCroft apologies. Understood. Got a bit carried away.
I’m curious as to how Watchdogs managed to get 2 sequels green-lit. Was the original game a success? I can’t think of many other series which are as dull and superfluous as Watchdogs. I mean even for Ubisoft.
This whole review made this game sound like a total waste of money and time, then it got 5/10...?
When you release a lot of open world games every year, this is bound to happen. I never buy Ubisoft titles at launch as their price drop very very quickly.
The us against them is a great concept.............my gripe is the journey from Trafalgar Square to Camden is inaccurate I cannot find Vauxall bridge maybe this can be excused as "its in the future" 1 bug so far on exiting did not lose anything though.....could do with a choice of 1st person view and the car mechanics are not gta wise it is not a great game it.s an ok game but most importantly it is not trying to be an AAA Title there was a lot of hype and that did it no favours it will leave a lot dissapointed ......I never liked RDR 2 when I 1st played it because I rushed through having savoured it at a slower pace it deserves it's no 1 place......London being taken over by us is only going to upset them.
Quick Edit for our American cousins replace us and them (A Floyd Quote) with your former Presidents quote "The haves.........and the have mores".
Watch Dogs 2 was an amazing improvement, and it was so disappointing to see them return to the dark, edgy sort of vibe.
So if I understand properly, Ubisoft woke up one day and said: "We massacred Assassin's Creed, so what will be next? Ohh what about Watchdogs?"
THANK YOU!!! it's so frustrating seeing other sites give this mess 8 or 9. this doesn't deserve anything above the 6 mark. Guess others don't want to be blacklisted by Ubisoft
Great point, I realised the same a few years back the same with films. It's not about arguing whether a specific critic is right or wrong, it's about finding critics whose sensibilities and taste are similar to yours and letting them guide you.
Kermode for films, Push Square for games for me.
@Arnna It's hard not to get carried away.
The review specifically mentioned Brexit. It was only a matter of time before someone got triggered, and reluctance to educate helps spread hate.
Was really looking forward to playing it despite this review, but the game literally crashed my PS4. Looks like I'm waiting for patches sadly.
IMO, Ubisoft is the most Overrated AAA developer by FAR!!
Man, I could not disagree more. I'm playing on PC, so I can't speak to load times or the visuals on PS4, but everything looks good to me, the load times are maybe 10 seconds at their worst, and I'm having an absolute blast with it.
I do think the lack of a strong central protagonist is a knock against it, but the gameplay is every bit as solid and enjoyable as it was in WD2, and though the "everyone is playable" conceit is paper thin and doesn't add anything of consequence, it's still idea, and I have no doubt someone else will take the idea and really run with it eventually. I've tried out a few other operatives just to see how their distinct skills change the dynamics of a particular mission where it seems they'd be useful...like using an Albion Op to infiltrate an Albion base, but that actually made things more troublesome, so I've more or less stuck with my starter operative and haven't had any issues.
I do agree that London isn't quite as visually interesting or diverse as San Francisco was in WD2 but, as an American, it's still a really cool playground for virtual tourism and it seems like Ubi did a pretty good job of recreating the boroughs (with some creative liberties taken, obviously).
Maybe I'm just an easy mark for cyber-thrillers (I am) and open-world games that aren't so ridiculously massive and sprawling that looking at the map triggers anxiety. Hackers is one of my favorite movies ever, and these games are essentially Hackers: The Game, and I dig 'em (NOT YOU, WD1, you stay over there in the corner).
Funny how some people decide to hate a game before they even started playing it. To correct you, the loading times for fast travel and switching character is quite short on PS4 PRO, about 6-10 seconds, there was nothing wrong with the lip sync on my game, and the acting overall is fine enough. The main missions are VERY varied and well written, and keeps your interest. Not to mention the fun characters you can recruit. This game deserves at least 8/10.
Sounds like a 7.5/10 to me but then it isn´t an exclusive so the score tax applies. Remember CupHead review?. But ND=+1.
Called it. Now can we stop giving Ubisoft the benefit of doubt? They have maybe 2 games in recent times worth playing and even then not really.
wasnt impressed with the first one so this doesnt surprise me XD
Was never really a big fan of the WD series tbh, but it's fine if other ppl enjoy it. Still haven't beaten WD2 even to this day.
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