The industry’s most interviewed man, Xbox boss Phil Spencer, has been chatting to reporters once more – and, of course, that means more discussion about whether Bethesda’s games will release on the PlayStation 5 following Microsoft’s eye-watering $7.5 billion buyout. The answer? Well, look it’s always been complicated, but don’t hold your breath.
Asked whether it’s possible to recoup the organisation’s enormous investment by skipping PlayStation’s sizeable install base, Spencer replied resolutely: “Yes.” But he added some additional context: “This deal was not done to take games away from another player base. Nowhere in the documentation that we put together was: ‘How do we keep other players from playing these games?’ We want more people to be able to play games, not fewer people to be able to go play games.”
However, he admitted that his company “doesn’t have to go ship those games on any other platform other than the platforms that we support in order to kind of make the deal work for us”. It’s still a slightly ambiguous statement from the executive, because he’s technically answering the question of whether Microsoft will get a return on its investment by not releasing on PlayStation platforms – but he never actually says they won’t ship on PS5.
All the chatter aside, we reckon it’s pretty obvious at this point that, once Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo have shipped, that’s pretty much the end of the line for Bethesda on PlayStation. It’s a sad turn of events, but we’ve all had a few weeks to get used to it now, haven’t we? It is what it is, ultimately.
[source kotaku.com]
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Savage. Keeping Bethesda games as exclusives definitely screws over Playstation. I wonder if they'll at least come to Switch.
I know Microsoft is on this noble crusade to stream games to every smartphone, thus theoretically enabling more people to play than previously, but it's quite amusing that he follows the sentence about "not taking games away" to admitting they will effectively be doing that.
Again, I know it's business so I have no beef, and I know he has to toe his corporate line and stuff — but I think I'd respect him more if he stopped dancing around the topic and admitted they have no intention to bring future Bethesda games to PS5. Purely so we don't have to do this same song and dance every time he decides to do his monthly press tours!
@ThroughTheIris56 About that: "Spencer told me that 'it doesn’t feel sustainable' to consider Xbox games on a case by case basis for Switch and said, 'In order to really support it, I would want a full Xbox ecosystem somewhere. And that probably means things like Live and Game Pass and stuff.'"
So in other words, no. Which again, makes sense. They have no obligation to support Switch if it doesn't further their goals as a business.
Makes sense. You don’t really drive people to Game Pass by putting your software on a competitor’s hardware.
Honestly, most of their games have been mediocre for a while.
Phil is Pro-consumer, he would not do this to gamers.
Such a slimy guy. Always with the PR doublespeak. I don’t care either way for their buggy games but, I’m willing to bet, they’ll launch as “Gamepass launch exclusives” then go to other platforms later, including PS5. They just won’t say it for the next few years because they want to sow doubt so people are more likely to get series x
This just solidifies my belief that PS5 + PC is all I’ll need next-gen. If I want to play Elder Scrolls VI on my TV I’ll just plug my laptop into my TV.
Its phil spinster so what do you expect? The man hasn't got a clue on what's going on.
@thefourfoldroot The thing is, they didn't have to buy the company if that's what they wanted to do. They could have got timed launch exclusives on Game Pass for Bethesda's entire catalogue at a fraction of the cost.
They bought the company to keep these games off other ecosystems, it's that simple really.
Same old vague answer. You don't need to make news every time he said this.
Grr argh moan moan Xbox bad Phil bad give me all the games but don’t put PS games on Steam because they should be exclusive but don’t put Bethesda games on Xbox because exclusives are bad
@get2sammyb I think he doesn’t want to say that because he wants to leave that option open just in case. Realistically, one could play it natively on Xbox or PC, then there is the option to use xcloud to play it on phones and tablets (iOS probably included), pc, and probably using a tv app by the time these games come out. No gamer will have an excuse not to play it if they really want to and no Xbox needed.
@nessisonett Who's saying that?
I mean yeah
Xbox literally has access to the highest profile WRPG developers in the industry at their fingertips. They're totally going to push Bethesda games as a major incentive for getting an Xbox or investing in Game Pass, whatever way they can push people to invest in the ecosystem as a whole.
@Hypnotoad107 Maybe, I just don't see it personally. The only way these games are coming to other platforms is if the whole Game Pass experiment implodes.
But we'll see!
The only game I'd really miss is DOOM, but that can be solved by either getting gamepass on tablet (and I imagine it will be a Netflix style app at some time on Smart TV?) or by getting a Series S when the inevitable sequel arrives
@OmegaStriver I agree. It feels like I'm the only one who doesn't give a flip if Bethesda makes games for PS5 or not.
@get2sammyb Or they just bought it to profit from all the content created under the Zenimax/Bethesda umbrella. I know everyone is tired of the Minecraft comparison but that's all that happened there. They bought Minecraft because it was popular and a money maker. That's usually reason enough, no?
@nessisonett That's why I always say "keep that same energy from FF7R" when Microsoft announces a timed exclusive and the Sony fanboys lose their minds.
Rules for thee, not for me.
Phil Spencer will literally die before he gives a straight answer about anything.
I totally get why Microsoft bought Bethesda, but... just be honest about your intentions, Spencer, don't act like the white knight for consumers. Marketing speech like this is making me puke.
The guy is such a hypocrite. If they don't want to take games off people then just go MP
@nessisonett Sony ponies from 2013-2019: "Xbox has no compelling exclusives hahaha PlayStation has better first party games"
Microsoft: "Ok. Say bye to Elder Scrolls, Fallout, DOOM, Wolfenstein, Dishonored and Evil Within"
Sony ponies now: "YOU CAN'T DO THAT THAT'S ANTI CONSUMER URGGHHH PHIL YOU'RE SO SLIMY"
I wouldn't be surprised if Sony reacted in some way, and just like this acquisition, that would mean more exclusive deals.
@get2sammyb I completely agree with you here. Putting the games on the PS5 might actually have a negative effect as PS5 fans would be thrilled and Xbox fans COULD feel a bit betrayed. It would be a risky move in that way.
@AdamNovice I’m sure Phil would LOVE to do this. Sony just needs to let them put Game Pass on the PS5.
@TheFrenchiestFry I've always said that MS should expand their first party studios by creating new ones. Same for Sony, and Nintendo; since the latter lacks any proper studio in Europe/NA, apart from Retro. I personally couldn't be arsed about Bethesda games, I can't even remember the last time I played one, but I do think that buying one of the biggest game development companies, and all of their decades-old IP isn't the right thing to do. If Sony bought Square Enix, I would say the same thing.
Legend has it that is you're very, very quiet in the dead of night, you can hear the sound of me not giving a sh*t.
@get2sammyb I honestly think they simply haven't decided yet, and wont' for some time. He says they don't need to support PS to make it profitable. But I also think they haven't really drawn a hard line yet on where the games will or won't go and will probably not make hard decisions until much further down the line how to handle it.
MS also has a cozy relationship with Nintendo, and with Nintendo already having experimented with Ubisoft and Capcom's streaming services, in Japan only, on Switch to get bigger games, I wouldn't actually rule out, necessarily a Game Pass Cloud partnership with Nintendo. MS wants to hit mobile gaming devices with cloud. Nintendo has ideal mobile gaming hardware but lacks the grunt for a lot of modern games, and always will. And MS is proving pretty flexible with how they do deals....I could actually see where Nintendo "enters" the home console space again by partnering as a Game Pass Cloud streaming device, but Nintendo games are only playable on Nintendo hardware. Otherwise their handheld niche is going to be very problematic as streaming takes over unless they go "blue ocean" again.
If something like that happens, then, yeah, not a chance PS gets cut into XBox games. If that doesn't happen, I think they still need to weigh how to handle some of these titles and aren't willing to say definitely no to traditional multiplat yet.
The main problem I have is that, instead of actually MAKING THEIR OWN GAMES, Microsoft is just preventing PS5 gamers from playing the next titles from a popular developer.
Instead of buying studios, MS should, I dunno...actually finish some games instead of cancelling them all the time? Their output has been horrible.
Is phil spencer high.wtf.we didnt want to take game away from ps5.of course you did.you want people to buy the x box .but ps5 will be on top again word up son
If we get a decent Elder Scrolls game and a decent Fallout game next gen (which is a big if), this won't be an issue for me until 2023 at least. By which point, Xboxes will be about 20p and Bethesda might have patched out all the bugs.
Well Sony have Horizon Zero Dawn and the Spider-Man games locked to there console so it’s all fair.
I will laugh though when say Skyrim 2 comes out and it’s only on Xbox/pc, them Sony fans will be moaning then if it’s a hit! Until then just remember “Bethesda do crap games” lmao 😂
Microsoft probably doesn't have a definitive answer to this question anyway. They are definitely going to base their decisions on hardware sales and such of the next gen.
If Xbox is doing super poorly, then an exclusive Game Pass Elder Scrolls just isn't viable, budget wise. Etc.
@get2sammyb
They don’t have to keep it off, they just need to say it’ll be “free” day one on Gamepass and make people feel it won’t be on PS5. Then they can get the benefits of console and gamepsss sales, plus the benefit of ps5 £70 sales later.
They could easily just say now it won’t be on other systems if this was actually going to be the case. Why wouldn’t they?
@TheFrenchiestFry That's such a poor comparison, though. I doubt very many care here if Microsoft invests in creating new games for the Xbox ecosystem, be it Halo or Ori or new franchises entirely.
But there are a lot of PlayStation players who are big fans of Fallout, Wolfenstein, The Elder Scrolls, et al. And historically these games have always been playable on a PlayStation console.
You can't just take those IP away from people who've spent a lot of time and money on them and expect them to not say anything about it. There was always going to be some degree of backlash from people who are rightly disappointed they may have to pay for different hardware or a new subscription to get access to them, when previously they've always been able to play them on the console they own.
@TheFrenchiestFry you took the words out of my mouth. Xbox got tired of hearing they have no games. Simple.
Every time I heard this I'm was like STOP. MSFT has a market cap of 1.6 trillion dollars! Don't wake the beast... too late.
@NEStalgia Yeah I get the sense they are hedging their bets. But I don't think Bethesda games on PS going forward are any more or less likely than the day the acquisition was announced.
I'm going on the assumption they continue to release on PS, until the day they stop.
@Octane Bluepoint seems like a no brainer at this point. They've done multiplatform collections before like MGS HD Collection on PS3/360 but most of their work is generally Sony exclusive like the Ico/Colossus collection, the Shadow of the Colossus remake and Demon's Souls remake. I wouldn't be surprised if they get snatched up like Insomniac finally did after years of creating franchises for PlayStation.
PS fans just need to accept, the games are Xbox/PC exclusives. You guys always complained Microsoft did not have exclusives, now they do! 🤣
@Octane The problem with this method is it just takes too long. Gamers are impatient. People are making fun of Xbox because they won’t have any games for over a year. Building new quality studios from the ground up can take a decade. They won’t sell any Game Passes when they’re promising that games will be arriving in 10 years, when they’re getting negative press for not having games until 2022.
@Midzark That is so not comparable it hurts. Horizon Zero Dawn has never existed on any other console ever before.
If the history of Horizon was that there had been four games on multiple platforms and then Sony bought the IP and said "Nuh-uh, you can't play this franchise anymore" then I'd agree with you!
And we're not even talking about one franchise here, but seven or eight!
@Midzark Huh those were made by Sony's first party studios that they worked with for years. A lot different compared to MS cutting corners and just buying up IP.
@get2sammyb Morrowind was an Xbox exclusive. Bethesda do have previous.
Looks like I’m going to have to bite the bullet and get a gaming PC at some point.
@nessisonett pretty much sums it up
@get2sammyb I'm not really denying that. The point is when Microsoft has basically been the laughing stock of the last generation for their poor first party output, and they're finally starting to actually get their act together and spend the money to invest in studios that can actually bring a diverse set of content to the table, in addition to partnering up with established publishers like SEGA, I can't see this as anything other than something that actually shows Microsoft is willing to remain competitive and that they're not just going to rely on Halo and Forza to carry their platform since they obviously never had the sheer breadth of first party studios Sony had at their disposal. Plus this is potentially the best thing that could've ever happened to Bethesda considering now they're under a work environment with the proper funding and manpower to actually start pushing for stuff like better engines and larger general funding so their games don't look like ass.
Also Bethesda games on console were always better on Xbox than PlayStation so it's honestly kind of expected that Microsoft would take advantage of that. PlayStation players had to wait like a full year for stuff like the Skyrim and Fallout 3 expansions, and Skyrim on PS3 was a freaking bug ridden mess compared to 360 from what I've heard and played.
Don't care, their last truly great game was Skyrim nearly 10 years ago. Doom will be a loss but even then I didn't really enjoy Eternal anywhere near as much as 2016. I'll likely end up up with an Xbox anyway but more so for Obsidians Avowed then the likes of Fallout 76
just wait for 2-3 years of sony dominating sales and they (microsoft) will have no other choice than release on playstation and make some serious money...
Buying Rare and taking games that have been hyped to the Nintendo fan base to become Xbox exclusive is really worked at the start of the 360 generation. I’m sure they’re trying to repeat the trick with Bethesda.
forget PS5, think about the 100,000,000 PS4 consoles, it'll be a long time before they make that money back, good luck
Its all absolute BS really. I would have way more respect for phil if he just told us what he actually thinks. Only a couple of months ago after the Sony showcase, he was all about exclusives being counter to what gaming is about. But now, he is spearheading this outrageous programme of buying up loads of traditionally third party developers, with rumours of another on the way. Lets be honest, we are not seeing future bethesda games (other than dl and ghostwire tokyo) on a playstation.
If the games are still coming, then Phil is being intentionally ambiguous so as to try and drive people to xbox at launch. I guess we will see
I am sure Sony are fuming behind the scenes and it will be fascinating to see how they respond.
Sony need to be careful not to lose their identity. For me the difference makers have been games like Yakuza andpersona; and studios like spike chunsoft, falcom, Nis America, level 5 etc exclusively releasing theor games on sony hardware. But increasingly these games are moving to switch, or being moneyhatted by microsoft. Sony reallllly need to be careful not to just rely on their own first party.
I remember when VR on Xbox was talked about like it was a sure thing too...
@TheFrenchiestFry Of course it shows they're taking Xbox seriously, which is great, but that's not really the point.
All I'm saying is that there were fans of Bethesda games on PlayStation platforms who are now going to need alternative hardware to continue enjoying those franchises.
And while it's all business and I doubt anyone has any personal beef, it's understandable why those people may be disappointed about that.
What my PC is for.
If they put them on PC Game Pass for $10 I was never going to pay $60/$70 on PS5 anyway.
@viciousarcanum This is probably why he doesn’t want to commit to an answer. He looks like a fool if they change their minds based on business. That’s what happened when Phil talked about VR, but because VR didn’t take off like a rocket they backed off. I think that’s also what happened when Sony decided to go cross gen with Spiderman and Horizon. Not committing one way or another about cross platform will only tick off PS4/PS5 owners who aren’t going to get an Xbox which are the last people he needs to worry about.
As I've stated elsewhere, the only ZeniMax game I've actually played in the last 10 years is Fallout 4, so this doesn't bother me one bit. If anything, it'll keep me from buying games that I won't play.
@get2sammyb If we were really to dig in to the Bethesda and their studio's backlog, you can easily see an xbox leaning approach.
Arx Fatalis, Dark Messiah, Doom 3, Quake 4, Morrowind, Oblivion. Probably more. Either were console exclusive to xbox, or didn't reach PS for quite a while. And in plenty of cases the PS versions were messes
They've obviously done a hell of a lot better during the PS4 era. Releasing at the same time and being of equal if not better quality, but given their long standing history with both xbox and PC, I'd imagine Bethesda has a stronger audience on those platforms.
@get2sammyb I feel like there's no even ground that can actually be met on a subject like this. It very much echoes how often Sony is seen moneyhatting major third party games like Street Fighter V, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Marvel's Avengers with stuff like Spider-Man and the additional missions and now FFXVI as well. I feel like business dealings like this are just direct responses because their portfolio and their exclusive content has constantly been lacking for the better part of the decade.
Does it promote unhealthy competition? Yeah of course it kinda does. But Sony is also not really shying away from hoarding a bunch of multiplatform games for themselves because it's for their own self benefit. They don't really care what gamers on other platforms think because that's not their goal. Same exact thing here.
After playing fallout 4 for around 20 hours only for it to glitch out and become unplayable, I can't say I am too dissapointed. Although I sure will miss doom.
@TheFrenchiestFry Bethesda has been around all console forever. Sony has curated top notch talent and helped or grow. What does MS have to offer to Bethesda? Their history implies more risk than improvement. The situations aren’t comparable at all. I want MS to develop and help it’s own first party portfolio grow. Not buy companies after they’ve had a bad run of being a publisher.
I’m playing the next ES on PC no matter where else it is. MS makes my faith in it worry more than increase, and that’s the problem.
@stinkyx sony didn’t make FFXVI but they are paying to stop Xbox-only players from playing it. It goes both ways. Funny how sony fanboys always forget that.
@nessisonett Are you really comparing a known third party company and their games like Bethesda to Sony putting their first party games on steam? You really can't tell the difference can you 😕
Activision putting COD on Steam = Nintendo putting Zelda Breath of the Wild on Steam. It seems you really can't comprehend exclusives 🤦
I am not worried, I want to see what Xbox does with the studios they bought. I mean look what they did to Rare... The bought them and nothing other than Sea of Thieves and Avatars. I have a gaming pc and a Nvidia Shield so either way it won't matter.
Providing exclusive games, and therefore a reason to buy into Xbox, is as it should be. The “exclusives are bad stuff” being spouted was just a load of guff I reckon. I’d personally kind of like it if existing franchises such as Elderscrolls stayed multi platform and then they leveraged the talented devs they’ve acquired to make new exclusive IPs for Xbox. There’s a good deal of wishful thinking I’m doing there though. Really, it doesn’t matter much in the end, it’s a few years before these Xbox exclusive Bethesda games will be coming out, so plenty of time to save for an Xbox/new PC, or see how streaming to phones pans out, before I even have to worry about it.
"We want more people to be able to play games"
Yeah, on an Xbox console!
If it not the case that they dont want to stop people playing them on multiple consoles what was the point in spending that massive amount of money on Bethesda in the first place.
@Ragdoll72 why do people say this about Rare? On Xbox One they have developed:
Killer Instinct, Kinect Sports Rivals, Rare Replay, Sea of Thieves and Battletoads. And are currently working on Everwild. They had decent xbox 360 output too.
Just because you stopped following their releases doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
MS just trying to make in the console department, cut them some slack.
Opens the market for another developer to make these kind of games targeting gamers on Playstation.
Competition is good, you see what EA and 2K do when there's nothing challenging.
@TheFrenchiestFry Come on this argument is so stupid.
Sony has cultivated their studios into becoming the powerhouses they are today.
MS have just got out the cheque book.
That's what Xbox needs, it's the only thing they lacks right now, first party exclusive that actually make people look at their platform. In everything else they already beat PS.
Only bad thing is those "new and exclusive" Beth games are quite far away since Deathloop and Ghostwire will keep they PS5 release.
Good for MS, looks like they will have a strong come back this next gen.
I think he's deliberately being evasive until he sees how Xbox/Gamepass does next gen. If its doing great and making silly money then Bethesda is exclusive. If PS5 batters it and Gamepass continues to lose Microsoft money then we'll see those games on PlayStation, or even Gamepass.
@grahamd Spidey has been a Sony property for a long long time, you'd have to be a naive fool to ever think they release it on Xbox.
As for God of War, Sony made this seeues why would they give it to Xbox? Is Halo on PS4? Gears of War?!
You make out that the only exclusives are on PS and they've somehow been stolen from other consoles.
Basically just like a lot of Xbots you're full of crap.
@Col_McCafferty I'll tell you right now for sure, if Sony had the "wipe my ass with 500 dollar bills" amounts of money that Microsoft has, they would've absolutely acquired major third party publishers by now, because development partners like Capcom, SEGA and especially Square Enix and Konami would've been literal no brainers given how much they've supported them throughout the years. In addition to that, the major heavy hitting studios like Insomniac, Naughty Dog and Guerilla Games didn't start out as Sony developers, and now they're practically household names
Also, please stop referring to Spider-Man as a Sony property. Do you see the Sony logo anywhere on Spider-Man comics and TV shows past the 2000s? No. He isn't a Sony character. Sony has specific rights related to the movies and now the games as well, but Spider-Man isn't a Sony character whatsoever. They credit Marvel in every trailer and screenshot for a reason. That's like saying the Avengers are Square characters or that Hulk was a Universal character.
Also you quite literally prove my point with Spider-Man because there are tons of Xbox gamers salty they missed out on Spider-Man given his previous games during the Activision era were all multiplatform. Your obvious response to that would be "buy a PS4", but it goes both ways. You want Elder Scrolls and DOOM? Buy an Xbox or PC.
I’d be more bothered by obsidian being exclusive to MS, they’ve produced better games than Bethesda for years. Still Bethesda are a huge name and I’m certain their games won’t be coming to playstation just like TLOU will never go to MS. It’s business.
Suck it up buttercups.
@eltomo Really what I’m hoping is that PS counters by developing it’s own western style RPG, or immersive sim a la Prey/Dishonoured. I suppose this kind of thing could be bubbling away in the background already! The thought of Sony utilising some of the talent at their disposal on these genres is pretty mouthwatering.
@get2sammyb Let's be honest, a brand new IP like Horizon never would've been made on Xbox.
Too 'weird' for the Xbots out there and with a female lead and no multiplayer? Forget about it!
Sony should ask Guerille to make a fantasy series and Naughty Dog or Sucker Punch a sci-fi epic. Both would likely be way better than anything Bethesda could come up with anyway.
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Yea yall can say it is what it is until MS continues to buy other publishers and slowly over power Sony.
@Col_McCafferty Spider-Man categorically is not a Sony character. They own the movie rights, that’s it. Spider-Man and several other Spider-Verse characters are in Ultimate Alliance 3, a Nintendo exclusive.
The issue is not exclusives. Every platform holder should definitely focus on creating new IP from their studios. What annoys people is acquiring existing IP & pipeline (that you might be invested in / excited for), putting a wall around it, then saying you are pro consumer.
Meh whatever the only good one is doom although I'm interested in playing prey the rest is crap
@TheFrenchiestFry But they don't have the money.
Oh and look at the sheer number of IPs Xbox has snapped up in this deal. It's a huge number and comparisons to the output of a ND or Sucker Punch are far more relevant and you know it.
MS have shown in one foul swoop how pro-consumer they actually are. They're like the Empire from.Star Wars but some people are acting as if they're White Knights or something!
They're basically hypocritical scum.
@Col_McCafferty Neither company is pro consumer. Sony aren't the gods of the gaming industry you think they are just because they have good first party games. If they were so forgiving and humble as you say, then please ask them to back out of their deal with Square regarding Final Fantasy, because I don't want to have to wait a whole year to play a better version of Remake on PC. Sony does not care about you or what's good for you. They care about themselves every bit as much as Microsoft does, or else we wouldn't be having this conversation.
While you're at it ask them to put Spider-Man on Xbox or Ratchet & Clank in Super Smash Bros.
@nessisonett FFS I know all that BUT Spidey has been a Sony property for a long long time. Spider-Man was never going to appear on Xbox, heck I don't remember it being that controversial at the time even amongst Marvel fans.
The idea that Xbots were cruelly denied playing this game is some real self-entitled bull plop!
@TheFrenchiestFry you’re in luck should be coming to PC 6 months after the PS5 release if the rumours are true. You can thank Sony for that ha.
@Col_McCafferty SPIDER-MAN. IS. NOT. A. SONY. PROPERTY.
@Fenbops You missed the point. I was talking about telling them to restore FFXVI to being a multiplatform game at all. Still leaves out Series X owners, especially given FF has made constant appearances on Xbox since XIII.
@aric201812 So Spider-Man in a nutshell basically.
@TheFrenchiestFry FFS the films are and now the games are too!
Deal. With. It.
😂😂😂
@TheFrenchiestFry I was being sarcastic, doesn’t come across well online at times 😉
@Col_McCafferty The new films are still co-produced by Marvel Studios, the game literally features the Marvel logo before the opening titles, and if he were Sony's character why couldn't they make references to stuff like Avengers, AIM, Murdock & Nelson Law Firm and Octavius Industries by themselves without having to approach Marvel for approval?
I have a feeling this whole debate is less about "pro-consumer" and more about PC owners just wanting every game on PC, so they don't have to buy consoles lol. I mean, why would you bother with a console if everything was available on PC?
You just know that some guys on here will run off to the delusional dimension to whine about how "Push Square is so toxic"
MS probably aren't even bothered if they don't get that money back, it's small change to them.
Personally I think we'll see some zenimax ip on ps but possibly a year after they're dumped onto gamepass.
Ms had no games apart from halo gears forza and now they're fighting back by buying studios.
The main worry is what's happened with the ones they've already bought?
343 have been working halo for 5 years now! And it looked like *****!
What are the other studios doing?
@TheFrenchiestFry did they buy the rights to Spider-Man 2 after Spider-Man 1 has been a successful multi platform hit? No. They did a deal with Marvel to make an PS exclusive game based on a Marvel character and Insomniac picked Spider-Man. The last standalone Spider-Man game was back in 2012. It was not an active franchise.
@Col_McCafferty The games aren’t Sony exclusives. Like I mentioned, Ultimate Alliance 3 managed to have Spider-Man characters perfectly well. Insomniac are just licensing the right to make a Spider-Man game. Marvel Games own the video game rights to the characters.
@RayNick there are so many reasons to chose a console over a PC.
@TheFrenchiestFry Pro-consumer argument is a load of nonsense, the difference is many act as if Xbox are and Sony aren't.
They both want you to choose to spend money on their products, same as Coca-Cola and Pepsi, Nike and Adidas, Sky and Virgin and so on and so forth.
Some people act like this is a crime, that only Sony produce exclusive content.
The difference between The Elder Scrolls and God of War is that the latter has only ever been on PS.
MS would've earned more respect from me if they had developed their own great single player titles from their existing portfolio of studios. Just getting out the cheque book in this fashion is a typical example of American capitalism at its worst. It doesn't take any talent and it's incredibly lazy.
They don't have my respect and they're never getting a single penny from me. They're trash.
@aric201812 They didn't buy the rights to Spider-Man 2 because they physically couldn't until Marvel told Activision to let go of the license.
If Disney hadn't dissolved their relations with third party publishers in 2013 which also ended their partnerships with Activision and Capcom, the latter would've held onto the Spider-Man and Ultimate Alliance licenses for way longer.
No a big fan of Bethesda either way so I only gonna be missing on Fallout and Dishonored
@Jarobusa If you exclude exclusives and maybe keeping your libraries, what are the reasons? Excluding personal preference of course, I prefer consoles over PC as well myself, however there is less and less incentive to get one as time goes by.
@Col_McCafferty And the difference between Spider-Man and God of War is that one has only ever been on PS systems and the other happens to be one of the most celebrated and universally loved characters of all time regardless of if people have played his games or not. Same EXACT mentality. I didn't see people like you boycotting Insomniac or Sony for snatching up Spider-Man back in 2016, because you probably already had a PS4, but the harsh reality is not everyone does.
I really don't care & I would not care if Sony pulled out of the deal they had with Bethesda before MS bought them.
Microsft seems to get a pass in gaming with loads of hot air the end product is never great yet Sony should be worried give me a break.
I just hope we still have 3 main console companies in the years to come. Loosing SEGA sucked, would hate to see Sony drop out down the road because their 3rd party support got bought up.
@TheFrenchiestFry ofcourse they don't moan when PlayStation do it, have you not noticed the huge double standard mentality of a huge chunk of psfans, its one rule for them another rule for everyone else.
@jorel262 that would never happen
@K1LLEGAL I'm definitely not a fan boy, in fact I'm mostly a PC gamer, but there's definitely a disparity between MS and Sony in terms of output. Dunno what the deal is with FFXVI's exclusivity, but I know that certain games are exclusive because Sony helps fund them.
@StylesT I’ve noticed it more recently than ever, it’s like some sort of superiority complex they have.
@StylesT MS has not done anything yet!! they bought another company's work so talk to me in 6 years' time when we see what they all make under MS management. Xbox users love to play the victim.
Didn’t they criticise Sony not too long ago for focusing on exclusives and withholding games from other platforms? Such hypocrites.
I wonder how long it will take for them to reverse their position on reporting sales stats as opposed to how many milliseconds users spent perusing the store...
But honestly, not a fan of Bethesda games generally. Fallout 4 was ok. Not groundbreaking. Never played Elder Scrolls.
@David187 looking at your posts you are giving a huge toys out the pram vibe lol
@StylesT is that the best you can come back with🤣 keep playing
the victim poor Xbox they were always so humble give me a break.
@get2sammyb Xbox streaming services will be a major selling point for the 5G Switch.
@David187 Come back with? It's just a statement, don't get angry at xbox fans, they didn't take away the games you apparantly don't even care about anyway, so what's with the sulking?
@TheFrenchiestFry Ever try to play Oblivion on PS3? Hoooboy.
@David187 He never implied Xbox was humble in any way. It's literally just business. Just like Sony taking Street Fighter V with them after Street Fighter IV was on freaking everything including the goddamn 3DS.
For those complaining about losing access to franchises that have previously been on PlayStation bear this in mind:
Elder Scrolls. Started on PC, Morrowind was Xbox only and Oblivion was Xbox first before PS
Fallout: First two on PC
Wolfenstein: Originally PC, Return to castle Wolfenstein best port was Xbox
Doom: 1-2 on PC, 3 was Xbox only.
These franchises have all been PC focused with Xbox having significantly better support historically over PlayStation. And if anyone here has played Fallout 3+New Vegas on PS3 compared to 360 you also know they've been inferior on PlayStation too.
It's ok to be annoyed at these franchises absence on PS moving forward, but to suggest that as PlayStation gamers you're entitled to them is absolutely ridiculous of the highest order showing a lack of gaming history knowledge.
@NEStalgia I've heard the horror stories. I played that to completion exclusively on PC, as I have done with the other Elder Scrolls games. I usually dabbled in the console ports at friends' houses just out of curiousity, but yeah Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Skyrim were nightmarish from what I've seen.
@StylesT I said I did not care about the games you plonker you just tried to make out like MS did something they did nothing yet
@pip_muzz Don't forget that Xbox players received all the expansions for Fallout 3 and Skyrim like a year ahead of PS3 owners. I think it was a similar case for Oblivion as well.
@TheFrenchiestFry it was a figure of speech I never said to him, did I.
what part of my comment made you think I cared about the games?
@David187 I find a sense of irony you calling anyone a plonker, enjoy stressing.
By not releasing games on Playstation, MS are still not necessarily limiting player choice - they can still play the games on the go (Mobiles) on PC or on Console so whatever 'format' you prefer, there is still an option - even if its not the 'exact' platform you want (ie Playstation). MS can say for example, their games are on Console, PC and Mobiles
Maybe Sony and MS could come to some deal with having Game Pass on the Playstation - like EA Access or Netflix. If Sony don't allow it, MS could turn round and say its Sony that are stopping their customers from having access...
Regardless of how anyone would feel about that, that's immaterial. MS bought Zenimax and, like Sony bought studios, its up to them how and where they want to release games now. You would still have a choice of where to play but may need a Mobile, PC or Xbox Console to do so...
Some gamers are stupid.
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Sorry but it's the only conclusion one can draw after reading this thread.
Look MS have a service to sell and you need a catalogue of games to sell that service. Anyone that didn’t think there would be an element of exclusivity with such a huge purchase is a little naive. Bethesda have recognisable brand which is why and would want them. It sucks for us PS gamers and yes it is hypocritical but big business.
@StylesT sure you do keep playing that poor Xbox number
@David187 Can't remember when I ever did in the first place, but il try to start to fit your agenda stress head.
@TheFrenchiestFry I played Oblivion on PC as well. One of my favorite games of all time (I liked it more than Morrowind which I also loved), and then tried to dip back into the console version on PS3. It was absolutely horrendous. It wasn't even the same game. It was just so, so so sooo bad. Currently the 360 version with the X1X/XSX patches is almost as good as the PC version was (without mods) at the time though!
Skyrim...that hone honestly worked out better with a controller though, so console was fine. The earlier games were so designed around keyb/mouse it was dismal.
@StylesT jog on plonker
@get2sammyb I can see Activision jumping on to Microsoft too........there were rumours they were after Konami.
Bottom line is ps5 will sell more consoles. They don’t have the same money but surely Sony can come up with something like game pass. If Microsoft can recoup 7bn buying these companies there must be a market
Big business will ALWAYS do what the dollar dictates-that’s business. Action via your wallet is the only language these corporations speak. If you don’t like it, don’t buy an Xbox; enough people do that and they change their game plan. If you want to play these games, save up your pennies and buy one; they win, you win. It really is that simple. Whining about it does literally nothing.
@pip_muzz That's an interesting point. I guess if Sony were in a similar situation like that, it would be for franchises like DMC, RE, SH, MGS etc. etc.
@stinkyx Sony funding stuff definitely was the case for Street Fighter V but definitely not FFVII Remake or FFXVI given those games will go multiplatform after an elapsed period of time. If Sony funded those games it would be in exchange for permanent PS4/PS5 exclusivity like Street Fighter V, with a probable PC version.
@RayNick I was thinking of both Metal Gear and Devil May Cry as counter examples. Ones where they started on PlayStation but Xbox lost out, especially with MGS 4 being to this day only available on the PS3. It cuts both ways. It's always sucky when it happens as it ultimately limits the audience of very good games, but in my view not unprecedented and fair
But I thought all PlayStation owners owned a pc with a 2080ti so they don't need to buy Xbox to play Xbox games. All I see in the comment section now is how Microsoft is evil and Bethesda games are mediocre anyway. What happened to everyone having a pc? It just makes me laugh how the comments changed so fast but if it was PlayStation thought brought Bethesda all you would be praising Sony for having exclusive games Xbox fans wouldn't be able to play! At the end of the day its just business. I'm going to buy a ps5 to play Sony exclusive games and will buy a Xbox to play the games i want to play from microsoft, problem solved everyone should just play what they want to play and stop complaining about companies that don't care anything about gamers. Its all about the money, please dont let Microsoft or Sony fool you
@Number09 Nah Activision is doing fine on their own really and if anyone goes after konami then its sony cause they want MGS ip and silent hill since sony have kojima
If I’m totally honest I couldn’t really give a ***** what Microsoft does. I buy PlayStation exclusive games and the usual multi platform. I Like my RPG but if I don’t play a faulty fallout game I’ll be best pleased
If Sony really wants to counter this they should buy Capcom.
Me? I’m gonna pick up a Series X when Elder Scrolls VI eventually launches. Or I’ll build another gaming PC.
@stinkyx fund them, not make them? So basically what Microsoft is doing...
Anyway no. Sony simply paid for timed (maybe permanent) exclusivity. That is paying to stop others from playing the game. Simple as that!
It's not like Phil Spencer is a pathological liar who can't seem to shut up. Oh wait, that's exactly what he is. I am sorry, there is simply no way the least selling platform can make those 7.5 billions back with those games even if you include PC. Sony or Nintendo could, but Xbox is just too small of a brand to manage to do so. They will end up third place again and Sony will outsell them at least 2:1.
Beside, it's not like Phil would admit it anyway, it would make him look stupid if he did (well he already does look stupid, but it's another matter entirely).
@TheRedComet I doubt Sony has the money to buy Capcom. They could always fund another one of their projects like SFV, but Capcom is doing way too well to the point where they're probably out of Sony's reach. Same with Square Enix. Hell I think Nintendo would be more capable of buying them out if anything
@GigaGaia the smart thing to do is to make the right decision at the correct time. Which is what Phil is probably doing. It could probably go either way. So why would he definitively tell everyone now when he isn’t even sure himself?
@Col_McCafferty "Spidey has been a Sony property for a long long time"
This dude must be like 10 years old cause the Amazing Spider-man 2 was released on everything, even the friggen Wii U 😂😂😂
You're calling people stupid yet you out here sounding like an imbecile because you're upset 😂
@TheFrenchiestFry
You’re probably right about that.
I wonder if Konami would be an option? Granted their studios aren’t very well staffed now (unless it involves Pachinko) but Sony would be getting a lot of classic, well known IPs. They could build the talent from there.
In a perfect world (for Sony) where they could afford it, I’d say Sega would be the best acquisition for them. Sega has a metric crap ton of studios and owns a lot of franchises.
I don't think Microsoft cares about platforms in the future. Game Pass is where the money is for them. Buying an Xbox is just buying a cheap gaming PC for Game Pass. MS wants Game Pass on as many platforms as possible. If Sony or Nintendo let them launch Game Pass on their platform, I think they'd do it in a heartbeat.
@GigaGaia you miss the point, MS doesn’t need Xbox to recoup the 7.5bn spent, they make about 124bn a year across all their business, something Sony just can’t compete with. Gamepass has over 15 million subscribers now and growing, 7.5bn was nothing to them.
And I find Phil Spencer a lot more likeable than Jim Ryan.
I don't particularly care about the Zenimax acquisition. I actually applaud Xbox for taking steps to be more competitive and addressing exactly what they've been getting slated for over the past 7 years. I just wish Phil would stop with all the hypocritical verbal diarrhoea.
"We want more people to be able to play games, not fewer people to be able to go play games.”
That's why we bought several studios with a track record of making successful multi plats, and most likely won't be releasing their future work on a system with a 100 million plus user base.
The guy's a clown who continuously contradicts himself.
That’s fine. There recent offerings haven’t been great
I'd wonder if phil spencer had any involvement in the buyout. Buying out such a massive company would've needed approval from microsoft people a lot higher than him.
Well whatever, my only personal attachment to Bethesda is fallout, which, assuming they even do make another decent one, i'd be disappointed to not see on playstation, but can always dust off the pc for one game i guess.
@get2sammyb I think Microsoft may be buying up all these studios so they can hold content hostage to convince platform holders to put the full Xbox platform (Live, Game Pass, xCloud, etc.) on their systems.
Banjo and Steve in Smash is probably where Microsoft gets Nintendo locked into the Xbox ecosystem (put the Xbox platform on Switch or Banjo and Steve has to be removed from Smash in a similar way to how GTA4 (I think it was 4?) had to do an update to remove music whose licenses have expired).
Meanwhile locking Sony into the Xbox ecosystem ends up a case of taking away the big 3rd party blockbusters and can only have them back if the Xbox platform is brought to PS5.
I hope I'm wrong but I think Bethesda was the point where Xbox's acquisitions started to look like dodgy scheming.
I never liked their games, always hated the engine, but that's a bummer for people who really do. Microsoft understands now how difficult it is to make first party studios as strong as the ones Sony has. So, they're just going to have to buy their own.
@TheRedComet The thing about Konami is that they're not just a gaming company. They're pretty much a franchising megaconglomerate who happen to have gaming as a subsidary, whether it be console games, PC games or the casino and mobile stuff they've been investing in lately in addition to other areas like medical and fitness equipment and franchising, so they're also unlikely unless by some miracle they'll just allow Sony to have free reign over their gaming IPs which would be incredible as a Metal Gear and Castlevania fan like myself.
@TheFrenchiestFry there's a major difference between the two cases and you know it.
Not surprising in the slightest, in fact expected really. And it’s only what Sony have been doing for years. It’s a good move by Microsoft.
@get2sammyb you have no idea what his plans are. So you can’t say that he should stop dancing around that answer.
He said they’ll decide on a game by game basis. And that’s a very logical thing to do.
@naruball There really isn't. It just boils down to people doing business with each other. If Sony bought Bethesda instead you wouldn't even be complaining because now you get to have your precious DOOM and Elder Scrolls to yourself, just like how Sony took Spider-Man off the multiplatform market, how Sony stepped in to make sure SFV was a PS4 console exclusive, how FFVII Remake and FFXVI are both PlayStation timed exclusives, or how Atlus insists on keeping Persona as a PlayStation console exclusive. This time it's the permanence of the situation you're really afraid of, but if it means better games with better funding and greater development efficiency so the games don't look like crap, I say why not.
@s1ayeR74 which sony buyout do you think compares to this one?
@God_of_Nowt Indeed the way Phil has turned Xbox around in a relatively short time shows he is far from ‘stupid’ and a bit of a visionary.
It's a vague answer. Honestly I think this situation could unfold either way. They could make the games exclusive to Xbox. Alternately, they could sell the games for full price on PS5 while pushing the narrative that Xbox Game Pass is the best option for playing them.
@Balosi You misread my comment, I was referring to how Sony has concentrated on exclusive games since day one of PlayStation. Although I see more and more of them coming to PC.
@S1ayeR74 Spencer came in at like exactly the worst possible time for the company and has somehow managed to salvage what he could and turn the narrative about Xbox as a brand around within a few years. It may have definitely been too late by the time this gen concluded, but I don't expect Sony to trail as far away from them as they did this past gen.
@TheFrenchiestFry Yet another terrible comparison. That was a deal for one franchise, not an entire studio or even several. Plus, Spider-man was popular as a character but Spider-man games were not all that successful until Insomniac made a game that people actually liked. Huge difference with established franchises like Elder Scrolls.
You can keep calling double standards, but for once you should compare apples to apples.
@naruball please expand how Elder Scrolls is an established PS franchise?!?!
It had the first two games in PC, Morrowind was Xbox and PC, Oblivion was PC and Xbox with the PS having an inferior port much later. Skyrim was fair and square a universal launch all round. That said, Skyrim is not the only game in the franchise and so Elder Scrolls is most definitely not a PS franchise. It most definitely has closer links to Xbox than PS.
Meh, I've always played Elder Scrolls, Doom and Fallout on a keyboard and mouse. So it's not going to change for me.
@s1ayeR74 ah ok, you can't think of one.
@RayNick Simplicity for one. Don't need to buy new video cards, Nvidia and their constant driver updates. My computer is also for work hence it is not attached to my 65" 4k TV.
Microsoft is looking to boost its exclusive. Why anyone expects them to do any thing other than make them exclusive is beyond me. While I liked many of Bethesda's games, I except that they are gone from PlayStation. There is nothing left to do but buy a Xbox or play them on PC.
I love Wofenstein games, I don't know If I will shell out $500 for a second console. That would take away from my ability to buy as many PlayStation games as i do. So it more then likely a good-bye Bethesda for me.
@naruball How the hell is Elder Scrolls comparable to other PS franchises. It released first on console as an XBOX EXCLUSIVE. Same with franchises like DOOM before they were even bought out by Bethesda.
Also calling Spider-Man PS4 the first game in the series people liked is incredibly uninformed considering the existence of Spider-Man 2000 and its sequel, the first two movie tie ins, Ultimate Spider-Man and the first two Beenox games. Activision must've been doing something right considering they held onto the license until 2014. That's 14 straight years of Marvel games.
@JohnKarnes Game Pass? They tied xCloud into that so if you have a compatible phone and controller you'd be set
@TheFrenchiestFry Absolutely, I applaud him for what he’s achieved. Especially with the idea of GamePass. It will certainly be a closer race this time. I’m also interested to see what their new AAA studio The Initiative makes especially with all the ex Naughty Dog employees they’ve hired.
@Balosi Not to the same value though, not just for PlayStation anyway have they? A lot of Sony’s key players were there from the very start, indeed the CEO of Polyphony began his career by being the note taker at all of Sony’s PlayStation meetings in its very early beginnings.
@get2sammyb “You can't just take those IP away from people who've spent a lot of time and money on them and expect them to not say anything about it.”
What about the ten Spider-Man games that were released across all Xbox consoles before Sony locked it to PlayStation? How is that any different from MS acquiring IPs from Bethesda?
What is so funny about this is that Spencer and Xbox fan boys are already talking up Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 as the must have killer apps. The fact that neither will be out for 2,3 or 4 years during which time we will have GOW, Horizon, potentially a new LOU or more Uncharted and many other delights.
On the bright side. If we do have to buy an Xbox when Elder Scrolls 6 is released so much time will have elapsed it will probably have had a price cut.
@s1ayer74 That is why sony is admired. The companies they buy go on to great things. If microsoft manage the same with all their recent buyouts, then yes, maybe in the future i will view them more favourably, but given their history of games companies buyouts, and the gamble of relying on a subscription model, i am currently somewhat pessimistic.
Is anyone honestly surprised by this? We never saw a Rare game on GameCube after 2002. It was gonna be the same here.
And an Elder Scrolls game is a system seller. Why would Microsoft have one of their studios release games for the competition when it will hurt their sales?
It's obviously terrible for gamers like me who don't want a new Xbox console but at the end of the day, it's business.
They’ve also been increasingly not very good..
@JohnKarnes
The reason is that MS don’t much care about selling consoles except as a Gamepass device. As such, they can have their cake and eat it. Make the games Gamepass launch titles, ensure everyone knows they are coming “free” to the service, then throw the game on ps5 a year or two later to Hoover up all the money from the undoubted millions of people who only have ps5. At the same time as showing how much better a deal getting it on Gamepass is.
What these games will never, ever, ever come to is PS Now. But I do think they’ll come to ps5 eventually.
@get2sammyb I think @thefourfoldroot and @Hypnotoad107 make a point. Don't you think they'd be announcing it on the loudest trumpet Bethesda's games won't be coming to PS5 so it hurts sales...He keeps dancing round the question because clearly their minds' not made up yet.
@Col_McCafferty Spider-man is not a Sony property. They have a licence to make the films and games. The property is still very much owned by Disney and Marvel.
And it's very easy to stream or watch a bluray of all the Spider-man movies on xbox one.
It's also worth noting that MS have published plenty of female lead video games. Perfect Dark, Kameo, Recore, Gears 5. Most of which launch before HZD. So your attempts at insulting xbox players and insinuating they are sexist, I guess, is just highlighting your ignorance more.
@Col_McCafferty 😶-I totally agree with your statement as quoted:"MS would've earned more respect from me if they had developed their own great single player titles from their existing portfolio of studios. Just getting out the cheque book in this fashion is a typical example of American capitalism at its worst. It doesn't take any talent and it's incredibly lazy.
They don't have my respect and they're never getting a single penny from me."
😶-I think while Sony and every other Corporation drives their decisions based on profitability, (some companies not many) still take pride in the quality of their products, and on some level feel like their quality of those products helps to represent them. I think Sony (IS) one of those companies, and maybe it's ingrained in them on some level culturally with their Japanese culture.
MS on the other hand comes across as a typical American company an "All's far in love and War" cut throat type company, that will sell cheap, gain market share, destroy the competition and then go HIGH afterwards, and then leaving the naive customers holding up the bill, going WTF Happened(FUTURE TENSE).
@DaruniaJones88 It may well end up being the only 'console' you can play them on - but you can also play on PC and/or stream to a mobile device with xCloud.
Xbox stopped being JUST the console years ago and now Xbox is the entire Microsoft division so if they are 'Xbox' exclusives, you still don't necessarily need to buy an Xbox and can even use a PS controller on a PC/Mobile device to play them IF that's your issue.
MS expects their Series S to be their 'biggest' seller and for £249 (or less by the time some of these games release), you can pick up one, subscribe to game pass and play ALL of the games day 1 on console - a reasonably 'cheap' second console that also with Game Pass Ultimate, would allow you to play games on the go (a bit like Switch) or PC with all your progress carrying through.
You don't 'need' to play on an Xbox console at all. All the talk about 'install' base is irrelevant because Xbox isn't just the Console - its currently the Console and every Windows 10 PC as well as every Android mobile device. If Sony sell 10m PS5's in the first year, they still won't be close to the install base potential that MS has.
I am NOT being negative about Sony or the PS5. The fanboys can go on and on about 'just' the console but it would be like only counting the Playstation Vita as the 'entire' Playstation community - one part of the overall whole. Even if the PS5 does outsell the Series S/X 3:1, its still not going to have the potential to reach as many people as MS.
MS are not looking at 'just' the console but EVERY Windows 10 and Mobile phone user too as being part of their users and the 'console' is just their own Hardware option in a Console format for those gamers that prefer the simple plug and play nature this platform offers. Those gamers are no more or less important than their PC or now Mobile customers they need to support with software too...
@Richnj not to mention Tell Me Why which is a narrative driven game featuring a Transgender character and his sister in the lead roles. :/
Guess Microsoft forgot most of us have pcs lol
Lets not forget that Sony bought Naughty Dog in 2001, Bend in 2000, Guerrilla Games in 2005, Media Molecule in 2010, Sucker Punch in 2011 and Insomniac in 2019 as well as others that no longer exist - Evolution in 2007 (closed in 2016), Psygnosis which became Studio Liverpool in 1993 (closed in 2012), Incognito Entertainment in 2002 (closed in 2009) so they have a history of buying up studio's too and arguably their 'biggest' studios with their biggest game releases.
They buy up Studio's to create new IP's, to increase their Library of IP's and not 'just' to add IP's to their portfolio. Games like Uncharted, Horizon:ZD, Last of Us, Days Gone, Killzone, Resistance, LBP/Sackboy etc came from Studio's bought by Sony. Sony has also bought multi-platform games like Street Fighter for their own platform too BUT because this is a Sony fanboy site, its great they did that to stop Xbox gamers having games on their platform.
I am not saying that MS are somehow 'better' for doing the same thing - its the business. EA, Activision and Ubisoft have all added studio's to their portfolio too but that has a lesser impact as they are multi-platform companies BUT they do it to increase their portfolio too. They don't ALL create new studio's - that's expensive and a gamble - even more so now.
The one thing people have said is that Xbox needs games and to make games, it needs studio's. It needs to show that they are committed to 'gaming' and the growth in the Xbox studio's is a clear statement of intent. MS were 'never' going to compete with Sony on quality or Quantity because they never had the Studio's to do so - now they do!
@God_of_Nowt 😶-I feel pride in one's product, can be self serving in its own right, and I believe that the Japanese culture reflects that in many ways, and in turn (that way) serves both themselves and the customers because of it, all the while being a company seeking profit.
😶-On the other hand MS has gotten scorched-earth fed to them for NOT listening to Gamers for the business model they tried to go with at the beginning of this gen, and not only apologized for doing it, but reversed course. 😳But yet now thet(MS) are pulling a (reach around) tactic to achieve the exact same thing they tried at the beginning of this gen by using their wallet to shape that vision(by their purchases,deals,services) instead of letting it happen organically through the gaming community. Their grooming us this time to make that future happen faster than it should, because it more profitable than letting it happen with natural consumer demand steering it, and we'll(gaming community) will ultimately suffer for it in the Long Term. I personally find them "to cut throat and disingenuous" of a more typical company for me.
Gamers?: Bethesda is dead to us
Xbox: buys Bethesda
Gamers? Omg Bethesda exclusives will save Xbox
Gamers? GameStop is dead to us
Xbox: ............
@God_of_Nowt 😶- By the way I copied this from a previous conversation I had on another topic, just to show where I'm coming from- 👉 "I want you to think about the logic in this online discussion between 2 Analysts being asked the same question and glean what you can as far as what's more likely true and not true, but actually (Groomed Marketing).
I was reading an online article and they asked both analysts if they thought this New Generation was going to be the last gen for Physical Hardware? (Paraphrasing)- the first Analyst Response: Yes it'll be the last gen for physical hardware, because the future is going to be All about easy access, go anywhere and play on Anything gaming, through those services, and it'll be faster more accessible and cheaper for people to do so.
The 2nd Analyst Responded: While moving to soon to that model would definitely be a boon in profitability for the providers of the streaming services, without having any physical Next Gen console of any sort to deliver it. No I think there will be at least 2 MORE generations beyond this one before that should happen, for the simple fact that gamers expect improvements each and every generation and with full 4k gaming this gen and with the possibility of full 8k gaming with the following gen coupled with all the bandwidth and server load that those future demanding specs would require of internet & servers it wouldn't be possible. Because gaming strictly on servers wouldn't be capable of handling the bandwidth load without sacrificing something along the way, and even with factoring in costly NEAR foreseeable server technologies, it wouldn't be possible to deliver that experience that gamers typically require with each and every New Generation without a physical console. He goes on to say: When looking at having a Streaming only future we have to take into account that massively increased bandwidth coupled with current restrictive internet Data caps, and the current internet instability issues that people have locally and around the world, as well as all those other underdeveloped markets without internet that would be untapped without Physical Next Gen hardware.
@God_of_Nowt 😄- This is the (basic conclusion) of that previous conversation that I had on the subject. -"The 2nd Analyst doesn't see how it could happen any sooner without it severely downgrading the gaming quality, along with the gaming communities experience that they expect with (FUTURE)Next Gen games.
(That is our future, but WE keep buying into "That Future is Close" mantra, when that's ALL of the gaming companies holy grail for Profitability, that also includes Sony as well, but MS are in the best position inside the market to push that downgraded but high profitability streaming future on (the gaming community) way faster than it should, and unfortunately that's what MS is doing right now, and people are repeating that mantra and other people are gobbling it up as fact and in doing so, helping (MS) Groom us and allow themselves(MS) to quickly enact that future too quickly, like they tried to do with Xbox one! We( the Gaming Community) should be the Ones who steer the ship, because if we don't, Well?... We ALL think people are whining now, I can't even Imagine it, especially if this is enacted to Fast."
EDITED: We need to Fear that Massive wallet that MS has "all to often" been whipping out in preparation of this new generation, their not taking losses for "No Reason" the pay off is staring "all of us" in the face, there just being sneakier this time, so we don't notice the NEAR(to happen too soon) long term goal.
Honestly, having just jumped back into Death Stranding to check on the status of my ziplines (still standing!), it made it clear to me why the ZeniMax purchase really isn't that big of a deal for PlayStation owners. To the left of Death Stranding was Days Gone. To the right was Ghost of Tsushima, God of War III, God of War, Grand Theft Auto V, Gravity Rush, Gravity Rush 2, Hellblade, Hitman, Horizon Zero Dawn, inFAMOUS Second Son, inFAMOUS First Light, Just Cause 3, The Last Guardian, The Last of Us, The Last of Us 2...in the span of 17 games, 13 were first party exclusives. And this doesn't include Bloodborne, Uncharted, Spider-man, Tearaway, Little Big Planet, Nioh, Persona, etc.
I guess it's just perspective. Sony is launching with Demon's Souls, Miles Morales, Astro Bot, and Sackboy's Adventure, with Gran Turismo 7, Ratchet & Clank, God of War, and Horizon slated for 2021. XSX has Halo Infinite sometime 2021. That's it. Good for them for opening their wallet and at least buying IPs since they don't seem to be very good at creating anything original.
Recognizing your deficiencies is the first step to overcoming them. Maybe now Xbox can keep up and give me a reason to get Game Pass on my PC. I figure if they can release something decent, it would be worth one month of Game Pass to knock it out and cancel.
Just move on from Bathesda instead of making a post every week about it.
@get2sammyb Honestly, Spencer should clear the air, like you mentioned, and let the consumers know what they should look forward too. TBH I'm kinda ticked off with the notion, that i have to play future Fallout games on xbox. I really enjoy playing F04 on my ps4, so it's a bummer that, I wont be able to play future bethesda games on the ps4/ps5. Wasn't fully guarantee conclusion i would of bought future xbox series x, but its definitely higher chance with this BS.. In the end xbox got what they wanted lol
@AJDarkstar I think “I don’t know yet” has the potential to upset just as many people if not more. It’s a rather delicate situation right now as they don’t technically own Bethesda just yet.
Not to mention with the head of Microsoft chiming in now about these things, not just Phil, it’s entirely possible it’s out of Phil’s hands to some degree.
I will own both consoles so It doesn't really matter what platform I get it on
@TheFrenchiestFry you're not wrong. But Phil is a slimy turd although he has done a lot of good for xbox.
I still dislike the guy and he does speak with a forked tonge.
@God_of_Nowt 😃-While I appreciate your "more neutral" opinion on this subject and wish for it to be true, I'm truly worried it's not. Seeing with the past year and these (Recent)purchases from MS as well as the deals being made, the harder core mantra being pushed more aggressively (than ever before) have started to paint a picture that's contrary to the (business as usual model).
😶- I'm starting to wonder if we're "fooling ourselves" into that " Boiling frog conundrum".
"Put the Frog into boiling water it'll immediately jump out.(Like MS making it obvious Xbox one gen, an apologized)
Put the same Frog into water and SLOWLY(MS reach around tactics this new gen) turn the heat up gradually and the Frog will stay in the Pot until it boils to death"
I again, HOPE your right, but I really think that we(gaming community) are going to wake up to late to realize that we're boiled(F'd). "And collectively We'll All be at blame for it."
😄-(I'm an Optimistically Pessimistic person, the glass is ALWAYS half full, but I still want to know where the other f'n half went) I call it Positive
critical thinking! ....lol😄✌
You don't spend 7 Billion on something just to keep things exactly the same, i'm not a fan of Bethesda games any more outside of the stuff they publish like Doom but this is huge and gives MS something big over Sony. Its sucks but it shows MS are taking things more seriously and i don't blame, end of the day unlike Sony they have the money to do these things. I think Sony are going to get a huge wake up call next gen, yes God of War and Horizon are incredible but Elder Scolls VI exclusive to Series X/PC will get way more sales and make more money then them.
For crying out. I'm honestly shocked that the comments haven't been locked yet. This is the most off-the-rails and heated discussion I've ever seen on this website.
And yeah, unfortunately ES6 and the likes will almost certainly be Xbox exclusives as much as it pains me to admit it.
@DaruniaJones88 The point I was making is that Microsoft is making games for Game Pass which as you know is the Console and PC but also Android devices too. Xbox isn't just the Console, Xbox is the entire Microsoft gaming division. So that means ALL their games will come to PC, Console and no doubt Mobile via xCloud too.
Even if you cannot afford the 'cheapest' entry point for some dedicated gaming hardware like the Series S (which is currently £250), you could use an Android device with you PS4 (maybe PS5 if you get one) controller to play games on.
You say you are not financially well off or particularly tech savvy when it comes to computers, for a relatively small monthly fee, you could add Game Pass to your Mobile and play all the Exclusives on day of release. If MS release just 2 AAA games a year you really want to play, a year of Game Pass is around the same price - and you may find 'other' games you actually like that perhaps wouldn't buy because the cost is too much to risk on something you are not sure if you would like.
Its possible that over a few years, the amount of money you 'may' of spent on games is more than the cost of a Series S and Game Pass - you can get BOTH for £25 a month and have 2years of gaming and not 'have' to buy a game at all - although there is always games releasing that you will want but the point is, there is enough hours worth of games - with new games coming and EA Play added too, that you 'could' play for the 2yrs without buying a game - and after 2yrs, that console is yours to keep and you can 'renew' your game pass to keep playing.
There are 'options' - even if you don't have the budget for a decent PC to play the games, don't want to buy a Series X or even a Series S. Most people have a Mobile phone and you could always look to pick up a used Android tablet or used Series S. That's the 'cost' today - in a year or so, the Series S could be cheaper and maybe in a better position to decide what's 'best' for you - IF MS don't release their games on Playstation. Its not just the Zenimax studio's (inc their back library), but games from Ninja Theory, Obsidian, inXile, Playground, Double Fine etc too that you can also get day 1...
@BAMozzy I think you can add “TVs with a Game Pass app” to your list. I imagine Samsung and MS will announce a deal in the near future that Samsung TVs will ship with the GP app installed. Just hook your controller up with Bluetooth and start playing. MS is pushing GP, and they want people to play anywhere that GP is able to be installed. I’m sure MS is more than willing to put GP on PS5 if Sony will let them.
I will take a great Bethesda game on a different console versus a crappy Bethesda game on PlayStation. Hopefully this buyout helps Bethesda find themselves again.
@Alpha_Pulse Honestly I think figureheads like the ones at Nintendo are the only people who actually speak like they're not talking down to people and being open about all their stuff. Spencer seems like a nice guy irl though
Sony can not compete this gen with only first party. They need to get someone like Apple or Amazon to help them (coz both of them has future gaming plans and are Xbox/Microsoft competitors)
I was mad at first. But now I really don't care lol. If I want a new fallout I'll get it on steam..
@3MonthBeef I mean, I have a PS5 coming and love their games, but I also love Xbox games and Game Pass. It’s tough to pay $70 for a game knowing I have 250+ games on GP I could play. Obviously, all 250+ games aren’t my style, but I can easily find 10 games I’ll love on the service. Each time MS buys a studio, it’s just more games I don’t have to spend $70 on.
I’ll worry about this when ES6 releases in 2025 or so. And not that much — Bethesda games are massively overrated anyway.
@L3GTRIGA Strongly disagree. Look at Nintendo. Great first party exclusives breed sales and loyalty.
@doctommaso Not for casuals. Also it has been rumoured many times in this very thread that switch can get gamepass and handhelds are cheaper to make. I hope I am wrong though
Why so much vitriol towards MS and Phil? It's a business. MS doesn't have to play by Sony's rules (fostering their own studios). I applaud MS for trying to be competitive and I'm waiting impatiently for my Series X to arrive on launch day. Also, Game Pass has been a revelation to me (playing on my laptop and smartphone). I've been playing through indies that I would never buy otherwise (State of Mind, West of Dead) and having a blast. I'll buy a PS5 whenever Naughty Dog are ready to launch their new game. I never thought I'd be saying/doing all this 2 months ago. Not enough effort on Sony's part to keep me here.
@Hypnotoad107 I am sure Game Pass could well come to TV's like Samsung - they have worked together so it wouldn't surprise me. In any case, it still proves my point that Xbox is much bigger than just the console - the Xbox Console is MS's own dedicated Console, like Surface is their own PC products - for those that prefer to game on a 'low cost' plug and play system. I know £450 isn't 'cheap' but considering the cost of a Gaming PC to match, its cheap.
MS neglected Windows owners for years and focussed gaming on just their console users - MS PC gamers were not getting MS studio games as they were only on Console. However, in recent years, they have decided to support all MS customers and build up their gaming division and amalgamate it all under the 'Xbox' name as Xbox is their recognised gaming brand. Their Studios were renamed as Xbox Studios too and the Zenimax Studios are now part of that. You have the same MS/Xbox Profile that has all your saves, achievements etc and if you have Game Pass, you can sign in on ANY supported device and play your library of games. You can look at the PC as a 3rd Party variable spec Xbox (when it comes to MS games), the Mobile is streaming from 'virtual' Xbox consoles (actual Xbox circuit boards built into servers) so still playing on Xbox and obviously, the console is a fixed spec hassle free hardware option.
If MS does put their App onto TV's, those that want to play will create an Xbox profile (if they don't already have one), and stream from Virtual Xbox consoles so still playing on Xbox. However you want to look at it, they are all users in the Xbox ecosystem and the console is just one segment of the overall user base. The Xbox supports Keyboard and Mouse too just like the PC supports controllers.
Its a very dated concept to split the Console away from the other platforms. Its a bit like saying the only 'Playstation' users we are going to count are those on Vita because we don't want to count the console as it doesn't suit our argument. I can understand why, after all that's the format its been for years and that Sony and Nintendo are still following but MS are in a different space.
you would have to be a special kind of thickhead not to include a market as large as the playstation user base commands....
@Hypnotoad107
You act as if Sony doesn't have a viable alternative. PS Now has more than 700 games (Game Pass is over 200), and the PS2 and PS4 games can be downloaded to your system. It may not have the "day one" offering that MS is promising, but it has plenty of games. I bought a year sub simply because of that during Prime day, and it cost me less than $3.50 a month.
Incidentally, going back to Game Pass and building up Studio's and why studio's want to be a part of it. If you don't have investors that are looking to make a profit and lets not forget all the manufacturing costs and profits from that, distribution costs and profits, wholesalers and retailer profits, the amount of games sold needed to break even) is significantly higher. The more that take their slice of the money, the smaller and smaller the profit margin for Developers, Publishers, Shareholders etc.
Most studio's are salaried so as long as they are getting their pay and the necessary funds to hire actors etc, it doesn't matter if they make a profit so much.
The cost of making a game that also comes to Game Pass may still be the same (or higher) but they are not focussed on profit margins, just the potential of reaching millions of gamers they may not of otherwise. One of the things that annoyed Bungie with D2 was that Activision wasn't happy with sales - despite selling more than enough to be profitable several times over. Its the fact that they expected a 'bigger' payout to their investors and shareholders etc.
Game Pass can EASILY cover any costs and if the Studio are still getting paid regardless, no pressure on whether it makes any profit at all and can just focus on making games that will reach millions more, many that perhaps wouldn't buy, it gets back to why they got into game development in the first place. Publishers only publish games that they think they can make money on, turning down creative ideas that maybe too risky but with Game Pass, those games can be made because the Subscriptions are coming in regardless, the studio is still getting paid and they reach many, many more people than they could if it was just sold. That's why Game Pass works and why Devs want to be part of that. That's why MS want studio's too...
MS is getting enough money from sales, from subscriptions etc and not paying out (as much) to manufacturers and losing profits to others that they don't have to sell games to any other platform to cover the cost and, if it brings in more subscriptions (game pass, gold), more hardware sales and more 'digital' sales through their store by proxy, it can be even more lucrative to not sell on other platforms even if they do get some money from that.
Devs don't have the pressure of making a game that 'must' sell 10m at £70 (now) to make their publisher happy and their investors and shareholders happy, just need to make games that make their customers happy with more than 15million who can play on day 1 so reach millions more than they would, and if their customers are happy, MS will be happy...
Whilst I'm not a fan of Bugthesda's in-house bugfest RPG's, i do respect their presence as having been a major 3rd party publisher with studios like Arkane, ID etc
Sadly this stance doesn't surprise me in the slightest. "Gamer" Phil Spencer has gotten away with his snake oil double dutch by a worshipping gaming press (Eurogamer, IGN etc.),for years.
Whenever he spins "gaming for everyone" or "timed exclusives are anti gamer"; he's a complete hypocrite. Do I think Jim Ryan is an in touch gaming type? Not at all!
But when Gamer Phil talks about gaming for all, he means so long as it involves Xbone/PC & Live/Game pass. He doesn't want you buying games, he wants rentals. Thats fine, but own your actions-don't say you're not into console wars but then buy up established 3rd party mega publishers to deny your competitors & pretend otherwise. If Sony had tried buying Zenimax the same sites that praised M$ would've been screaming from the rafters like they did with the likes of Sony dlc timed exclusives.
@Grimwood
Wow. DOOM, Dishonored and Wolfenstein are some of the best games of last generation.
@OmegaStriver Exactly, it's not a tragic loss.
@Richnj How many of those games were successful though and garnered an even bigger sequel?
Little game called Horizon Forbidden West is on the, ahem, horizon, maybe you've heard of it?
I doubt it would've been made by an Xbox owned studio.
And Gears 5? Isn't that one of the most hated in the series by hardcore fans?
I'm not saying everyone that works at Xbox or owns one is a sexist or racist but the company does really aim for the Bro audience, an audience that seem to only really care about spanking noobs online or shooting generic aliens in the face!
They're not into subtlety and let's leave it at that.
@gollumb82 Bye then!
@Col_McCafferty
Oh, come on. I expected more from you Colonel. I'm not leaving Playstation for good (read my post). I'm just switching sides as I find MS's offer more to my liking. Hell, having tried and loved Game Pass I might just buy a PS Now subscription I'll be back when Sony sorts out some of its head-scratching moves (like game prices, or they just drop with time) and the consoles are actually available. Cheers
@L3GTRIGA Right but I think casuals are going with mobile and Switch anyway, no?
Sorry and down vote me all you want but I'm glad I'm moving back to pc gaming again, but I still have my PS4 because I will finish god of war, days gone, lou2 as well before hand well I plan on getting round to it at some point
@Nakatomi_Uk No downvote. Please explain why.
@Col_McCafferty I mean. Originally you were claiming xbox players wouldn't play a game with a girl in it. Gears 5 has an 8.2 user score on meta critic, and a 5 star rating on the in system xbox rating system. Has sold a few million copies at least, and has been on the most played list since its launch.
So yeah, I'm sure plenty didn't like the game, but it seems like many more do.
You also implied that xbox players only care about online and shooting stuff, but minecraft and elder scrolls again have been huge successes on the platform, selling millions and consistently being in the most played games.
Sure, there's a large MP shooter audience on xbox, but to stereotype the audience as being only in to that stuff is disingenuous. It's just that the audience of those is bigger than on PS. Just as the JRPG audience on PS is bigger than on xbox. But if I was to say that PS owners only play waifu games, or that Sony would never make an FPS, or that PS owners would never buy a MP bro shooter would actually be wrong. Killzone and Resistance did have their fans.
It's funny that you should randomly drop "and racists" in your sentence when we had never bought up race before then, yet you're the one that's heavily leaning on stereotypes to view a group of people.
@gollumb82 Traitor. Ha no do what you want mate, couldn't pay me to go back to Xbox.
Unless they buy Take-Two then I'll have to buy both!
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@Nakatomi_Uk I don't think downvotes count so you're safe there!
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@Richnj They don't make great SP titles that can rival the best from Sony. They're definitely aiming for a different crowd but have to throw a few bones in the direction of other types of gamers but not enough to entice me.
I'm gutted that I won't get to play the next Elder Scrolls title but it's probably not coming out until 2025 so hopefully in the meantime Sony will ask one of their own developers to produce a worthy rival to TES 6.
Sucker Punch or Guerilla could do it and they'd probably knock it out of the park. Probably more likely the former as GG have previously stated that they see Horizon as being a trilogy.
I wouldn’t read too much into those comments tbh, of course he’s going to be coy when no next boxs or ps5 have actually been sold yet. It’ll be a different story when there are 30m PS5s in customers homes!
I’m going to laugh if again the ps5 outsells the Xbox by a margin AGAIN.
If MS will release new IPs only on xbox then fine. But if they cut off PlayStation with IPs like Dishonored or Elder scrolls then ut would be total loutishness from them.
As much as this pisses me off got to admit it's a good move by Xbox revenge I guess for Playstation absolutely slaughtering them the past few years with Exclusives even I'll admit when the next Elder Scrolls game comes out and it's on Xbox only ime gona have to buy an Xbox it's a good move specially for fans of like I said Fallout or Elder Scrolls even Doom
@doctommaso Switch with gamepass means Xbox ecosystem. Sony needs a big cheque book tbh. All I know is money can buy 90 percent of things if not 100
@OmegaStriver Funny how Sony Fanboys have suddenly decided that Doom, Elder Scrolls, Prey, Dishonoured are suddenly mediocre!
Wait and see I guess, but don't think we will see es or fallout on ps in the near future, if they are only on Xbox will see what the reviews are for es and decided if I buy a Xbox s on the cheap but honestly don't know if I can justify buying one just for one or two games, as I will play all multiplatform games on ps, good move on ms side, but don't think they will get massive numbers moving over just for these, especially when you look at ps and all the games they have to offer, also if I did get an Xbox I would sign up for a month maybe 2 and cancel gamepass so it's strange to see how ms will get there money back. But I guess they know what they are doing or you would hope so. Also most casual gamers aren't really bothered about es or fallout etc, they just play FIFA or cod, so for ppl like that they won't be bothered about this and stick to whatever console they prefer.
... and nothing of value was lost.
@Ekdritch I said most not all, a-hole, and said Bethesda.
@OmegaStriver resorting to insults, typical fanboy behaviour!
@Col_McCafferty
Oh, really? How does $500 sound then? 😁 Seriously, though. I'm not tied to any platform. I'll definitely buy a PS5 in 2-3 years. Mostly likely the digital one, though, and at a discount (used). Just to play the exclusives.
@TheFrenchiestFry he probably is nice but like Jim Ryan they spout a fair amount if garbage. They are just mouthpieces for the companies I get that but they don't half U-Turn on a lot of the things they say to the public.
But I also respect that these guys got these consoles to where they are today (Andrew House for Sony too). Now that MS is packing some studios I think we are in for a good generation.
Bethesda purchase or not, sony should make their second party studios first party before they turn into third party like supermassive, ready at dawn, quantic dream etc...
They have less studios to work with this upcoming gen.
@Eldritch777 You’re a hypocrite acting like you didn’t try to insult me.
@Balosi I’m so impressed with BOTH companies I am struggling to decide which console to buy, that’s how good to me Xbox are now, but to me they also had great games with Forza and Gears Of War, Sonys games for a bit stale towards the end feeling like the over the shoulder story simulators they are. Feeling a bit samey.
So I’m not pessimistic at all about either company.
@BAMozzy A brilliant summary of the situation Gamepass will help with.
@Col_McCafferty To me only Naughty Dog are good at storylines, I find Horizons story to be flat and boring by comparison, it doesn’t have the spells the ND games do with their writing, so in that case I do actually find some Xbox games surpass Sonys story’s. Of course opinions will be varied on that.
@Fenbops
MS needs to make the 7.5b back in gaming alone, otherwise is a lost of money, lol. Why have a gaming division if you are losing more money than gaining from it...
They do not need more studios. Those should be enough and if Xbox cannot compete with almost twice as studios as ps, then there is an issue, and Phil almost releasing Halo Infinite the way it looked might have to with it.
@Jslade Bethesda is more than just Bethesda. Their other studios have made almost 90 rated games. Only Naughty Dog and Santa Monica go over those numbers and by a bit. Bethesda alone is better than what xbox had pre bethesda.
The problem is, a lot of them do not have the appeal. DOOM Eternal is the best fps of this generation, but it baffles me it is not even in the top 10 most sold games for this year. That is their best selling one after fallout 4. The rest of the games did poorly and it is why MS ended up buying them. Other publishers would make less money being exclusive to xbox, especially japanese publishers.
Still. Xbox can outpace sony post 2023
@DaruniaJones88 In your situation you could get the PS5 digital edition and then wait for games to go sale in the store? That may be the best option for you?
@jamberino93 And Sony would still have a smaller install base because the Xbox Console isn't the entire Xbox customer. Xbox stopped being MS's sole gaming platform years ago and Xbox is the ENTIRE Microsoft Gaming division that includes the Consoles, the Windows 10 PC and [Currently] Android platforms.
Xbox Consoles are MS's fixed spec dedicated gaming hardware for those that want the 'console' platform to game on. PC's are a 'variable Spec' Xbox platform that also offers other options to and Android is a fixed spec 'virtual' Xbox that is playing on 'Xbox' hardware and streamed to Android devices. All of which will have a MS account with achievements and cloud saves so you can pick up and play on any of these devices without losing progress. Its ALL the same Ecosystem.
So Sony would need to outsell the number of Android, PC and Series S/X to have a larger install base...
Its no longer Microsoft Studio's - its Xbox Studio's and Xbox is the entire Microsoft gaming division, like all of Sony's is 'Playstation' and has included Vita and PSP too. Sony will count 'active' users who sign into their PSN account as their install base - even if that means including those who still play on PS3 and Vita.
I bet MS aren't too bothered if Sony sells more PS5's, as long as they can increase their install base across multiple devices and knowing that Mobiles are in far more hands, game pass will be probably more important than actual hardware sales...
Buying Zenimax wasn't just about making the Xbox console more competitive, its about making people want to subscribe to Game Pass regardless of their platform choice and as their games release on PC as well, its not about selling consoles alone as they could just release on console if that was their ultimate objective...
@nessisonett I think you meant to say PS5 + PC + Switch Pro or whatever Nintendo releases next .
@lacerz I have PS Now as well. It’s pretty good. My 10 year old really gets into a lot of retro games and we play them together on that. That said, it doesn’t have 23 1st party studios putting out content on it along with a few 2nd party studios, but PS Now is priced appropriately so I have no complaints. I really don’t think of it as a direct competitor to Game Pass, though.
@thefourfoldroot Exactly my thought. Basically he's not 100% confirming nor denying the fact. He obviously wants people to convert to Xbox and sign-up for GamePass. Starfield is probably a couple of years away. TES 6 won't come out for another 3-4 years I reckon. Doesn't mean anything now, in 2-3 years time, perhaps.
@get2sammyb Lets be honest here Phil is full of nonsense he just spins the news like he wants it. If Sony does something like that its anticonsumer if they do it its ok. You can say thats not the case but you know its not true.
@Eldritch777 It may sound weird but some games may not be really special too other gamers. I lot of people love Skyrim i dont like it. If you look at what i will be missing that is Dishonored or Doom, Prey but i never had a big love for these games. Dishonored will be a little annoying but ill get over it. I havent bought the latest Doom and the games we got from Bethesda always have been a mess on Playstation.
@KidBoruto That’s true, as much as I’ve been a little disappointed by my Switch, I’m still going to be getting whatever’s next if Metroid Prime 4 is on it!
@Flaming_Kaiser I agree with this. Just because a game is great, doesn’t mean it’s for everyone. For as much as I love Fallout, I find Skyrim kind of dull. And as much as I love HZD, I did not like tLoU2 at all (though I did love the first one). It’s weird that gamers often think everybody should like the same stuff they like.
@Hypnotoad107 Thats what i mean and lets be honest we aways had a gimped version of Bethesda games.
@AJDarkstar I think it’s more tied to the Gamepass Install numbers and PC sales less the console but yeah I could see that.
Stop whining
@AJDarkstar I honestly believe PC will. Most of MS games hit Steam with big numbers. And I think PC numbers are only growing. Especially with good cards actually being reasonable in price. Plus a lot of Bethesda games play better on PC because of how they are set up. Anyway, I think MS’s combination of their diversified install base is a good strategy. And to be fair lots of PS players have PCs, so I don’t think they are losing the entire PS install base as people make it seem.
@Col_McCafferty No offense but you come off as extremely rude. As a point MS hasn’t “catered” solely to that “Bro audience” in quite some time. This year alone they’ve pushed heavy on games like Ori 2, Tell Me Why, and MS Flight Sim. ID@Xbox their indie division has been bringing amazing games like CrossCode and Spirit Farer to Gamepass day one. You can hate a company all you want but your first comments were directed Xbox players and considering you’ve never met me; that was rude.
@stinkyx Insomniac says hi.
Of course they don't, if they can reach 50 million subs which isn't unreasonable in the next few years they're looking at Nine Billion a year
@AJDarkstar I prefer handhelds so I understand. I do think some big companies have made pretty big strides in the PC world as of late, and I also think “influencers” have pushed it as well. Everyone wants to be the next Ninja. I’m generalizing, of course, but a friends kid push his dad to purchase a gaming computer for him so he can stream Fortnite. He’s 12. Definitely a different world than I grew up in for sure.
But yeah a lot release still skip PC even if there is no reason to, so who knows.
This is a petition to get future Bethesda games on PlayStation
http://chng.it/qWzyScnC4f
@Fenbops Microsoft buys companies, Sony makes them. I'm not gonna pick a console over who has more money
I've no concern for Bethesda's games at this point. Fallout 4 and skyrim were both boring af. 76 is a joke. If they want to be exclusive to microsoft less sells for them. Dont know what they are doing.
It only solidifies my choice of always going Playstation and gaming PC.
I'll miss Doom and Wolfenstein but Fallout 4 and 76 were awful IMO and I have no expectations of TES6 being any good. I'd give them a chance if it was on PS5 but I'm not buying another console to play those games, just not worth it.
@3MonthBeef Thats why i think he is full of ***** and i dont believe anyone needs too cover for him.
@Amppari well... he just did shrugs
it's all about money at the end of the day, nothing else matters.
many curses to phil spencer for his selfish acts against the PlayStation community! 😡😡😡
I managed to get the Greymoor expansion for ESO on sale recently and it will be my last Bethesda game since MS doesn't get my money. For once it would have been better if EA had bought something out.
The question is, "How dumb can you get?" Leaving out the PlayStation base is going to cost Bethesda billions of dollars in revenue. Sorry Microsoft, if you make Bethesda games exclusive to X-Box, I will toss my future X-Box series X into the Potomac River and boycott all future Bethesda title until exclusivity ends. Yes, when I boycott, I boycott.. I boycotted EA when they refused to develop for the Dreamcast and have only purchased one game from them ever since... and that was Fallen Order and Mirror's Edge.
Actually, I was joking about throwing it into the Potomac. I will throw it off my roof and then roll over it with an 18 wheeler.
@Amppari he is pro consumer. You just have to be a consumer of his company's products. He can only be pro consumer to his consumers.
@NoFaceBigFoot it will sort them a billion or two, but the problem is that it already cost them 7 billion just to make them exclusive. So a billion or two is nothing to them.
@andjahiam that was those games, they arent going to resell those games. They will sell new games that may be better. They just want games on xbox since they have none. Now they do just like ps.
@Crod64588 petition? For what?
Ps5 isn't the only platform. All you have to do is play on your pc or phone. You dont need a ps5 or xbox to play new bethesda games.
@Hypnotoad107
But it's not just retro games. The Game Pass games are very similar to the Now games. With each system having their own exclusives sprinkled in. With Game Pass, you get a lot of Gears, Halo, Forza, and State of Decay. Now's selection include Gravity Rush, Bloodborne, The Last of Us, Days Gone, etc. Both have games like Resident Evil VII and Final Fantasy XV. The difference is I got Now for less than $3.50/month for a year, when Game Pass charges nearly 3x that amount...for pretty much the same games outside of exclusives.
Now the Day One Game Pass releases are nice, but those 23 studios aren't putting out games at a pace to really make that anything beneficial yet. Maybe 2023 after Deathloop and GhostWire: Tokyo are no longer PlayStation timed exclusives and ZeniMax starts releasing games, but don't expect much between now and then.
And if the 23 studios are able to release more than 4/5 exclusives a year, which looking at the history of the Xbox studios (including ZeniMax) isn't something they've managed yet, I can knock each one out in a month for $10 on my PC...then cancel my sub. $30 a year isn't going to make much of a dent in that $7.5 billion spent.
More perspective. From 2014 to 2020, ZeniMax put out 15 games:
1) Wolfenstein: The New Order (2014)
2) The Evil Within (2014)
3) Dishonored Definitive Edition (2014)
4) Wolfenstein: The Old Blood (2015)
5) Fallout 4 (2015)
6) The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition (2016)
7) Doom (2016)
8) Dishonored 2 (2016)
9) Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus (2017)
10) The Evil Within 2 (2017)
11) Prey (2017)
12) Fallout 76 (2018)
13) Rage 2 (2019)
14) Wolfenstein: Youngblood (2020)
15) Doom Eternal (2020)
In 2020 alone, PlayStation has 18 AAA exclusives:
1) Persona 5 Royal
2) The Last of Us Part II
3) Yakuza 5
4) Dreams
5) Street Fighter V: Champion Edition
6) Persona 5: Scramble
7) Romance of the Three Kingdoms XIV
8) Granblue Fantasy Versus
9) Nioh 2
10) MLB The Show 20
11) Final Fantasy VII Remake
12) Ys: Memories of Celceta
13) Ghost of Tsushima
14) 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim
15) Spider-man: Miles Morales
16) Sackboy: A Big Adventure
17) Astro's Playroom (PS5)
18) Demon's Souls (PS5)
So ZeniMax isn't quite capable of generating 1 year of PlayStation exclusives over the course of a generation. And let's be honest, Xbox Studios weren't putting out much to begin with (zero AAA exclusives in 2020). So with this they put out 4/5 exclusives a year. Let's be generous and say 8/9. Sony still has more games.
@OmegaStriver I wouldn't call Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal medicore
@lacerz AAA might be a bit generous for a few of those.
@Jayw565 Bethesda didn’t make those.....
@nessisonett Metroid Prime 4 + BOTW II + No More Heroes 3 + SMT 5 for me.
Also I guess whatever the next big next-gen Mario game is.
@Hypnotoad107
On both sides, no doubt (Wolfenstein being mostly expansions). Still, games are games, and good games are better. PlayStation has a history of both. Microsoft? Meh. ZeniMax? Meh. And note, I didn't include any of inFAMOUS or DriveClub or their expansions, or the Uncharted expansion. Point is, Sony puts out more and better games. Even with MicroSoft owning ZeniMax. Period.
If you want to go Xbox, do it. Do you. Just don't try to lie and suggest Xbox has more games or better services than PlayStation. It never has. It never will. Even with ZeniMax. Xbox has finished last place every generation for a reason.
Well... honestly, it just means i will be skipping on TES. If my PC runs it, i may get it on steam. If it's not on steam either, screw it.
What is certain is i won't be getting an xbox for one game nor their silly subscription schemes.
What is certain is TES6 will sell much less than Skyrim if it doesn't release on ps5.
Enjoy downsizing Bethesda.
@lacerz My apologies. I didn’t mean to lie. You’re probably right. Sony will definitely have more games, and PS Now is better than Game Pass.
I reckon limiting Bethesda games to only Xbox would massively diminish it's install base. Just taking me as an example - if ES6 is on PS4/Switch i'll play it. If not, I won't. Same with Fallout, same with Doom. Not played other ones so either way I probably won't be playing.
A lot of people will multi platform due to this but a lot also won't.
All everyone did was make fun of Microsoft's exclusives this gen so I guess this is what you get when you do that.
@get2sammyb it would force me into buying an Xbox and I always wanted a reason to buy one.
But if their plan is really to sell as many games as possible on many platforms, rather than shift consoles and sell exclusively then it would make sense for them to be released on PS5.
I just don't see them allowing it to be sold on PS5
Why he keeps doing this? Why not to admit for once that he will maintain the bethesda's games only at microsoft's based platforms (pc and xbox)?
It seems like he doesn't have the courage to do that because of what he sayed a long time ago about exclusive games beying anti-consumer.
One less reason to even consider a Xbox purchase and potentially another Tales of Vesperia case.
@3MonthBeef Hope you realize I was dripping was sarcasm about my X-box series X.
If the PS5 outsells the Series S/X anything like as much as the PS4 vs X1, then the PS5 will see an Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 as MS will need to recoup some of their outlay.
If it's neck and neck (as in the PS3/X360 era) then the PS5 won't see anything.
To be honest, Bethesda's output peaked on the PS3 (Fallout 3 and ES4: Oblivion)
Interestingly though, the Elder Scrolls Online (published by Zenimax Online Studios) is being supported going forward on the PS4 and it's being enhanced for the PS5.
I think Sony need to ramp up their own Western RPGs, even something like the Sony IP EverQuest series. Perhaps that's one good thing (the only good thing?) about them becoming more US-centric.
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