@LogicStrikesAgain Yeah I can't think of any other major gripes that aren't narrative, other than it just goes on for too long. I think also there were way too many long sections of just walking and talking, but they weren't interesting or engaging.
I wouldn't say the narrative is all bad, because I would be lying if I said I wasn't invested, but it is absolutely inferior to that of the first game.
And I think we're on the same page, as long as you're not outright lying it's fair to give any recommendation about a game, and likewise fair to disagree with that recommendation so people can be better informed.
It sold over one million units, and Shuhei Yoshida said it did "quite well". Definitely not as successful as Smash Bros, but I don't know where people get the idea that it completely bombed.
@PuppetMaster There are far many more reasons that what you have mentioned that make for a warning to not play a game. As far as I know Bubsy 3D doesn't technically have game breaking issues or a need to play the previous games. Assuming it doesn't have those issues, I know not to play it because it is simply a bad game for multiple reasons. I haven't played so maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think it would be unreasonable to advise against playing.
I don't agree with pressuring people into not playing a game, but it cuts both ways. If it's fair to recommend playing a game, it's fair to recommend against playing. No one is forcing or stopping anyone to do anything, it's ultimately up to the player based on what they think.
@LogicStrikesAgain I wouldn't debate the quality of the gameplay, but as you say everything is subjective, because I think it's good. And there's more to it than just gameplay = good, story = disappointing.
I yeah, they are giving more than a warning, but if it's reasonable to say "this is the best game ever you must play", I don't think it's unreasonable to say the opposite. That's the whole point of reviews, the player ultimately makes up their own mind based on what they've heard.
@LogicStrikesAgain Of course it is, it's also subjective to say it was a good game or a masterpiece.
It's hard to tell anyone if they should play it or not. For some people it's fully worth it, and one of the favourite games ever. For others it's the most disappointing game of all time which hurt the memory of the first. Ultimately it's an individual's decision to play it or not, but it's fair to warn them that the game has a mixed reception for many reasons.
@LogicStrikesAgain It most games, gameplay is priority but people aren't being told to play TLOU specifically for it's third person shooter/survival horror gameplay. It's good definitely, but the story is the selling point of the series, so if it doesn't deliver that's a problem.
I get people have different tastes, but I've never watched a SoP where so little interested me. I think Crimson Desert and Saros (even then I'm conflicted because roguelike), that was basically it for me.
@PuppetMaster I have zero interest in racing sims, so I'd be interested if they did anything but GT. Honestly, it would be cool to see them try a Motorstorm game.
@Nepp67 Fairs, mine is physically fine, it's just USB that's the issue. Also forgot that it kept cutting out for no reason (despite being fully charged) so my mate had to get an extender for it.
@Nepp67 I think quality is good, but it's a pain having them take up a USB slot, and not be able to use them for a session because they apparently need to be updated.
@ATaco Agreed, as long it's still fun to play I'm happy. If a game constantly needs new content to keep it engaging, it suggests that the gameplay isn't enough of a draw.
"Personally, as much as we have a soft spot for these old franchises, we don’t buy this idea that Sony needs to keep every series it owns alive until the end of time. Part of the beauty of PlayStation is how it’s been able to reinvent itself with each subsequent generation."
Kind of funny you say this, because this has been a very safe generation in terms of new IP from Sony's first party (owned by Sony) studios. Not to say there has been nothing new, but this really feels like we're still in the PS4 generation.
And I get not every series can realistically go on forever, but it can't be too hard to at least revisit old series once in a while.
Got Metal Eden, so far it's really fun. Basically feels like a fusion of Ghostrunner and Doom, but it's very enjoyable even if it's apparently very short.
Fixed now, but it wouldn't let me play a single player game I had just download because it said it couldn't verify the license. What a god awful system, Sony seriously needs to sort it because that should absolutely not be happening.
@RoomWithaMoose COD is silly largely because of these ridiculous MP skins. It's never been a simulation game, but the PS3 COD games are vastly different.
@Nepp67There's a lot more to being a soulslike than simply being hard. It's largely about game structure, and level design, as well as the lock on combat system. I can't really think of how Ghostrunner is remotely comparable other than being hard. That being said, it needs to be seen exactly how this new game is supposedly a soulslike.
@Zeroo From my list alone from September onwards: Metal Eden, Cronos: The New Dawn, Hirogami, Silent Hill f, Sonic Racing Crosswords, Dreams of Another, Little Nightmares III, Once Upon a Katamari.
For the record, a game isn't worth glossing over because it's not a 10/10. 7s and especially 8s are still worth if they interest you.
And for me Silent Hill f is definitely a must play.
It's amazing that it's going as well as it is, for a company that's built up any good will and loyalty is has primarily from single player games with no live service elements.
I must be out of the loop because I didn't realise this got delayed. It looks cool, but it's coming out at a completely stacked time for me. We got Sword of the Sea, Lost Soul Aside, Hirogami, and Cronos: The New Dawn all coming out within 2 weeks either side of it. There are way too many games coming out all at once, and it's a severe first world problem.
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Re: Poll: Are You Playing Silent Hill F?
@Ilovecoffee I wouldn't want to bump into you in a dark alley.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Is Now Available on PS Plus Extra on PS5, PS4
@LogicStrikesAgain Yeah I can't think of any other major gripes that aren't narrative, other than it just goes on for too long. I think also there were way too many long sections of just walking and talking, but they weren't interesting or engaging.
I wouldn't say the narrative is all bad, because I would be lying if I said I wasn't invested, but it is absolutely inferior to that of the first game.
And I think we're on the same page, as long as you're not outright lying it's fair to give any recommendation about a game, and likewise fair to disagree with that recommendation so people can be better informed.
Re: Oh No! Sony Reveals Stunning PlayStation Themed Magic: The Gathering Trading Cards
@Lowdefal Aha that's fair, certainly could have done better. I'd be all for a sequel though.
Re: Oh No! Sony Reveals Stunning PlayStation Themed Magic: The Gathering Trading Cards
@get2sammyb https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/12/shuhei-yoshida-never-say-never-on-a-playstation-all-stars-sequel-insomniac-creating-an-xbox-one-exclusive-is-part-of-growing-up/
It sold over one million units, and Shuhei Yoshida said it did "quite well". Definitely not as successful as Smash Bros, but I don't know where people get the idea that it completely bombed.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Is Now Available on PS Plus Extra on PS5, PS4
@PuppetMaster There are far many more reasons that what you have mentioned that make for a warning to not play a game. As far as I know Bubsy 3D doesn't technically have game breaking issues or a need to play the previous games. Assuming it doesn't have those issues, I know not to play it because it is simply a bad game for multiple reasons. I haven't played so maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think it would be unreasonable to advise against playing.
I don't agree with pressuring people into not playing a game, but it cuts both ways. If it's fair to recommend playing a game, it's fair to recommend against playing. No one is forcing or stopping anyone to do anything, it's ultimately up to the player based on what they think.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Is Now Available on PS Plus Extra on PS5, PS4
@LogicStrikesAgain I wouldn't debate the quality of the gameplay, but as you say everything is subjective, because I think it's good. And there's more to it than just gameplay = good, story = disappointing.
I yeah, they are giving more than a warning, but if it's reasonable to say "this is the best game ever you must play", I don't think it's unreasonable to say the opposite. That's the whole point of reviews, the player ultimately makes up their own mind based on what they've heard.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Is Now Available on PS Plus Extra on PS5, PS4
@LogicStrikesAgain Of course it is, it's also subjective to say it was a good game or a masterpiece.
It's hard to tell anyone if they should play it or not. For some people it's fully worth it, and one of the favourite games ever. For others it's the most disappointing game of all time which hurt the memory of the first. Ultimately it's an individual's decision to play it or not, but it's fair to warn them that the game has a mixed reception for many reasons.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Is Now Available on PS Plus Extra on PS5, PS4
@LogicStrikesAgain It most games, gameplay is priority but people aren't being told to play TLOU specifically for it's third person shooter/survival horror gameplay. It's good definitely, but the story is the selling point of the series, so if it doesn't deliver that's a problem.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Silent Hill F?
Decided to try it before bed, not a good idea.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Silent Hill F?
My copy has arrived. Just got to finish Hirogami first, then I will be starting.
Re: Stupidly Ambitious PS5 Open World Crimson Desert Nails Down March 2026 Release Date
Probably the best bit of the show for me.
Re: Poll: How Would You Rate State of Play for September 2025?
@Dalamar Same here. Saros looks cool, but potentially being a roguelike makes me hesistant.
I have zero interest in Marvel, I'd much rather have a new Ratchet and Clank.
Re: Poll: How Would You Rate State of Play for September 2025?
I get people have different tastes, but I've never watched a SoP where so little interested me. I think Crimson Desert and Saros (even then I'm conflicted because roguelike), that was basically it for me.
Re: 'There Is Much More to Be Done': Polyphony Digital Steps Up Gran Turismo Recruitment
@PuppetMaster Yep, can't say I'm holding my breath for it.
Re: 'There Is Much More to Be Done': Polyphony Digital Steps Up Gran Turismo Recruitment
@PuppetMaster I have zero interest in racing sims, so I'd be interested if they did anything but GT. Honestly, it would be cool to see them try a Motorstorm game.
Re: Bungie's Much Criticised Shooter Marathon Will Skip PS5's New State of Play
I'm devastated.
Re: State of Play September 2025 Predictions: Marvel's Wolverine, Resident Evil Requiem, God of War, and More
I would really like it to hear anything from Media Molecule. I need to know they are still alive.
Re: State of Play September 2025 Predictions: Marvel's Wolverine, Resident Evil Requiem, God of War, and More
@Colour A man can only dream of a new Ape Escape.
Re: Sony Remembers PS4 Classic The Last Guardian, Supported Work on $1,500 Statue
@Fartingale Same, it's a nice collector's edition figure.
Re: Hideo Kojima's Next Game OD Looks Like PT Fully Realised
Not big on Kojima, but this looks very interesting.
Re: Call of Duty: Black Ops 7 Multiplayer Goes All-Out with 18 Maps at Launch
That trailer music is terrible.
Re: Ghost of Yotei Gets Yet Another Trailer, This Time Showcasing PS5 Features
@Nepp67 Fairs, mine is physically fine, it's just USB that's the issue. Also forgot that it kept cutting out for no reason (despite being fully charged) so my mate had to get an extender for it.
Re: Ghost of Yotei Gets Yet Another Trailer, This Time Showcasing PS5 Features
@Nepp67 I think quality is good, but it's a pain having them take up a USB slot, and not be able to use them for a session because they apparently need to be updated.
Re: Fans Worry About the Future of Former PS5, PS4 Hit Fall Guys
@ATaco Agreed, as long it's still fun to play I'm happy. If a game constantly needs new content to keep it engaging, it suggests that the gameplay isn't enough of a draw.
Re: 'Genesis Does What Nintendon't': Sonic Racing Takes Shots at Mario Kart World
The timing of this could not be better, I am all for revitalising the Nintendo-Sega rivalry. Nintendo could use a kick up the ass.
Re: 60+ PS5, PS4 Games to Buy in PS Store's Autumn Adventures Sale
@SilentC I absolutely loved it, enjoy! Potboy is a really lovable companion imo.
Re: The Best and Scariest Fatal Frame Is Getting a PS5 Remake Early Next Year
Nice to see Fatal Frame, hopefully this can lead to getting a brand new game for PS.
Re: 'Intergalactic's the Most Ambitious Game We've Ever Made': Neil Druckmann Teases Naughty Dog's Next PS5 Project
@Retron I'm with you.
Re: Sucker Punch Thinks Only 10% of Studio Would Be Hyped to Make Sly Cooper
"Personally, as much as we have a soft spot for these old franchises, we don’t buy this idea that Sony needs to keep every series it owns alive until the end of time. Part of the beauty of PlayStation is how it’s been able to reinvent itself with each subsequent generation."
Kind of funny you say this, because this has been a very safe generation in terms of new IP from Sony's first party (owned by Sony) studios. Not to say there has been nothing new, but this really feels like we're still in the PS4 generation.
And I get not every series can realistically go on forever, but it can't be too hard to at least revisit old series once in a while.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 597
@ErrantRob Unfortunately I didn't play the demo, so I can't really compare. All I can say is that feels quite Doom like.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 597
Got Metal Eden, so far it's really fun. Basically feels like a fusion of Ghostrunner and Doom, but it's very enjoyable even if it's apparently very short.
Re: PSN Service Playing Up, Minor Offline and Friends List Issues Reported
Fixed now, but it wouldn't let me play a single player game I had just download because it said it couldn't verify the license. What a god awful system, Sony seriously needs to sort it because that should absolutely not be happening.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Hollow Knight: Silksong?
Hollow Knight has been on my to play list for years, but have just never gotten round to it.
Re: Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Takes Its Beautiful Soundtrack on Tour
I'd give a kidney to hear "We Lost" live.
Re: Scratch That Banjo-Kazooie Itch in PS5 Remake Yooka-Replaylee, Out in October
Can games please stop releasing in October, there is already way too much coming out that I want to play.
I never played the original because of the mixed reviews, but if this turns out well I'm definitely interested.
Re: Atomfall Gets Another Story Expansion Pack with The Red Strain, Out in September
@JohntheRaptor I'm with you. The game has so much going for it and I really wanted to like it, but unfortunately it wasn't very fun for me.
Re: Reactions to Stupid Call of Duty Skins May Make Dev Tone Down Black Ops 7
@RoomWithaMoose It's never been ultra serious even with the very dark tone of World at War, but these new games are a whole nother level.
Re: Reactions to Stupid Call of Duty Skins May Make Dev Tone Down Black Ops 7
@RoomWithaMoose COD is silly largely because of these ridiculous MP skins. It's never been a simulation game, but the PS3 COD games are vastly different.
Re: PS5 Price Increases Confirmed for USA, Effective 21st August
@Lowdefal That's understandable. Which is another reason it's a shame that Sony/Playstation isn't a Japanese business anymore.
Either way, since Americans voted for Trump and his tariffs, it is definitely the morally right thing that they suffer the increased prices
Re: PS5 Price Increases Confirmed for USA, Effective 21st August
Should have been done well before raising the price in countries that aren't America.
Re: Ghostrunner Dev Changes History for PS5 Souls-Like Valor Mortis
@Nepp67There's a lot more to being a soulslike than simply being hard. It's largely about game structure, and level design, as well as the lock on combat system. I can't really think of how Ghostrunner is remotely comparable other than being hard. That being said, it needs to be seen exactly how this new game is supposedly a soulslike.
Re: Ghostrunner Dev Changes History for PS5 Souls-Like Valor Mortis
Alternate history Napoleon invasion of Russia, made by the Ghostrunner Devs definitely has my attention. Bit skeptical that it's a soulslike though.
Re: Resident Evil Requiem PS5 Turns Up the Intensity in New Trailer
Decent clip, but really not a gameplay trailer.
Re: What Could Possibly Go Wrong? 3D Platformer Bubsy 4D Announced for PS5, PS4
We live in a society where Ape Escape, Spyro, Tearaway and Banjo are dead, but Bubsy gets new games.
Re: These 11+ PS5, PS4, and PS Plus Games Are Coming Out Next Week (18th-24th August)
@AdamNovice Agreed, been looking forward to it as soon as it was announced.
Re: Ambitious Open World RPG Crimson Desert Delayed to 2026
@Zeroo From my list alone from September onwards: Metal Eden, Cronos: The New Dawn, Hirogami, Silent Hill f, Sonic Racing Crosswords, Dreams of Another, Little Nightmares III, Once Upon a Katamari.
For the record, a game isn't worth glossing over because it's not a 10/10. 7s and especially 8s are still worth if they interest you.
And for me Silent Hill f is definitely a must play.
Re: Ambitious Open World RPG Crimson Desert Delayed to 2026
This year is packed, so this is a relief.
Re: Sony Admits PS5 Live Service Push Is Not Going Smoothly
It's amazing that it's going as well as it is, for a company that's built up any good will and loyalty is has primarily from single player games with no live service elements.
Re: Call of Duty HQ Size Reduction Gives Modern Warfare 3 a Platinum Trophy Two Years Late
@Flaming_Kaiser Interesting, any particular examples?
Re: Sick Sci-Fi Shooter Metal Eden Secures September Release Date on PS5
I must be out of the loop because I didn't realise this got delayed. It looks cool, but it's coming out at a completely stacked time for me. We got Sword of the Sea, Lost Soul Aside, Hirogami, and Cronos: The New Dawn all coming out within 2 weeks either side of it. There are way too many games coming out all at once, and it's a severe first world problem.