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@tallythwack a lot of people aren’t interested in Flight Sim or even something like Death Stranding but they can still be quality products.

@Apfelschteiner mate i’ve been wanting Sony and Microsoft to both do that with their IPs. At least test it out. Smaller concentrated experiences (and more of them!).

It can go both ways of course - everyone trashing Halo but Forza Horizon 5, Gears 5, Gears Tactics and Flight Sim are quality products. They even added Hivebusters to Gears 5. Not bringing in Psychonauts as that was developed separately. But just because it works for Xbox doesn’t mean it would work for Playstation so his comments make sense (financially I assume).

@UltimateOtaku91 you own all 3 as well don’t you? So by that logic you shouldn’t care either.

All they had to do was limit the stacking to, say, 3 years, just like Xbox. Couldn’t even manage that. At this point they should take the hit and keep the goodwill but nope they went the other way. Lol.

Sounds like required playing to understand the story of Kingdom Hearts IV. I’m in!

@Phelaidar not if the company gaining Market Share is the one behind. How does this mean less competition? Surely it means more…

Microsoft bringing the heat to Sony should do exactly the opposite of what you just said (except maybe prices as clearly Sony wants to charge a premium regardless).

@Richnj Good point, well made.

@RogerRoger there must be some fans out there somewhere. I’m sure a campaign to have it remastered would get some attention. Even if it is just 7 sigs lol.

And to think I was playing the superior version if Phantom Menace that whole time…

@Bunchesopuppies Tiny Tina’s Wonderland is not the same as Assault on Dragon Keep. You may be mixing them up!

@RogerRoger it was Star Wars Kart racer. Like how many other games can say that? I had fun with it but I was around 10 or so. Unfortunately I don’t see that getting a remaster! But sequels with the other films would have been cool!

And man the amount of time I spent on Phantom Menace (on PC, trying to jump over that gap at the beginning where Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon get separated)… got a lot of nostalgia for that one.

@RogerRoger haha weirdly Super Bombad Racing…. Was my first PS2 game haha (back before I had a memory card). Oh the shame!

And thanks - It was from memory apart from those cross gen releases at the end

It seems like there are a lot of Star Wars games at the moment but in the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube gen there were a lot more (List Time!):

Rogue Leader
Rebel Strike
Kotor
Kotor 2
Clone Wars
Revenge of the Sith
Super Bombad Racing
Jedi Starfighter
Racer Revenge
Battlefront
Battlefront 2
Jedi Outcast
Jedi Academy
Obi-Wan
Bounty Hunter
Republic Commando
Starfighter
Lego Star Wars

There were other games that released on these consoles but were cross-gen with Xbox 360 and sometimes PS3/Wii:

Lego Star Wars II
Republic Heroes
Force Unleashed

I might even be forgetting some! Then there were also the handheld games released in the same timeframe which we don’t really get anymore. I think it just seems like a lot at the moment because we are getting the Aspyr ports. Also interesting how many were exclusives back then; each console got their fair share of awesome games.

Last gen, besides Ports we only got:

Battlefront (2015)
Battlefront II (2017)
Jedi: Fallen Order
Squadrons
Lego Star Wars: The Force Awakens

@RiceC03 they said before release it was the end of the “Dark Seeker Saga” but not the whole series.

So excited for this - but will be more so nearer release.

All each company needs is one strong IP that someone considers a must-play and they have to get that system. Currently I don’t need a PS5 but if Square Enix were to throw in with Sony (even more than they already are) and announce full exclusivity then yea… I would need a PS5 (or a super beefy PC I suppose).

Also remember that with these subscription services; a key point about an acquisition is the back-catalogue that can be thrown onto the service as a permanent fixture of the library. Konami would obviously be a good one but then so would Sega/SE/Capcom.

@__jamiie hahahahaha that made me laugh out loud for some reason. Like “errr whoops”.

Thats a really weird error given that they added that point about being able to switch specifically.

@Richnj haha jeez you got me beat. I’m gonna have to go and finish off Hexic HD or PD0 (fat chance).

@twitchtvpat they stopped due to licensing issues but at least with the ActiBlizz acquisition they may soon be able to add Tony Hawk/Cod/Spyro/Crash etc to BC.

@Richnj did the same with Blue Dragon; something like 14 years later just to get the last 4 achievements. Had to load up random saves to finish them off. Absolutely mental that it works so well. Also Dragon Age Origins and a few others 👌

*just checked True Achievements and I think my biggest time between first and last achievement for a completed game is Feeding Frenzy at 5018 days, 22 hours and 40 minutes (Blue Dragon was 4507 days). I find stats like this so interesting because i’m cool.

All I know is I love going and getting achievements from Xbox 360 games on my Series X. STILL trying to get through FFXIII-2 (which i’m not liking) but no doubt it plays amazing and love not having to plug a 360 in to play it. BC is awesome.

Thing is; putting Returnal on there - that is a fairly recent game - some people may be inclined to not purchase at launch and now wait for it to hit the service. Same issue happens on Xbox’s side (except not with First Party obviously). I wonder if this will happen.

@ATaco not sure as i’m not on the dev team? Still not a microtransaction.

@ATaco not sure what game you are referring to recently unless it’s Halo Infinite’s multiplayer… which was actually F2P.

Feels like maybe they should assess this on a case by case basis. As @Rob_230 said; GAAS games could still be added day one and would probably benefit/thrive from doing so.

However I don’t see a drop in quality from Xbox adding day one games. In fact they are almost better than ever (Psychonauts 2 says hello!). Not everything needs to cater to the “critic” 10/10. E.g. I have always had a blast with the Dynasty Warriors Series (except 9 blah!) despite it’s relatively crappy metacritics. I hate the idea of games being designed in a certain way for better review scores (besides better general quality of course). I’m going off on one now.

Trophies are pretty much the only way to get me to play the older stuff now unfortunately (most of it anyway). So we shall see. But will happily pay for a month to play through Miles Morales and anything else I can squeeze in to one month. Shame everyone here hates subscription services right?

now everyones excited about playing older games…

@Jacko11 found the scalper.

Can’t wait for this game to come to Xbox. And for Crossfire X to go to Playstation.

It’s one of the biggest purchase regrets buying the Vita. The screen is awesome and the console looks beautiful (I got the Japanese blue one in 2019); but there really isn’t much to play at all. Even Trails of Cold Steel i’m struggling to get into.

Compare this to the top 3DS games… jeez.

@Gh05tm4ch1n3 NIS very rarely release on Xbox unfortunately; though I can see that changing in the future if Gamepass keeps trending upwards. For now though it’s just PS and Switch.

Should just sell it as one item 🤷‍♂️

Of course if Sony had produced more units it would have sold more…

… however! I do think the supply constraints have actually given the console even more publicity and maybe even increased demand past what it would have been. People read that it’s the “must have” item and it’s rare to find etc. That sort of thing gets people going!

@Enuo yup - Sony with the Final Fantasy exclusivity.

Good old Playstation eh

Obviously a lot of people here will be hating on this. But look on the bright side (from a PS standpoint); this acquisition is huge so it stops Microsoft buying Sega/Square/Ubisoft etc.

@RadioHedgeFund not sure how you can say Xbox’s exclusives were more of the same without including Ratchet as more of the same for PS. Returnal might be a different story but… do you know how many Ratchet and Clank games there are? Lol. It’s prettier; but it’s more of the same.

And then again, you are saying Sony’s first party library is more broad than Microsoft’s? Despite the quality, a lot of people rag on Sony for the fact most of their exclusives are third-person cinematic games. But on Xbox you have Flight Sim, Gears Tactics (plus Age of Empires on PC), Sea of Thieves and then sure, Forza and Halo. They could do with a JRPG in there somewhere but I would say that is pretty broad.

Incredible game and my single player GOTY, with only It Takes Two beating it. I do need to finish Halo Infinite though.

@Jaberwocky crazy but same thing happened to me yesterday. Argos had so much stock and I downloaded the app and even got to the Paypal stage… but realised I don’t need it.

I have a Series X for the record. And I would like to play Ratchet and Returnal… but no rush. Maybe with a slim version and a price cut a few years down the line.

71 people “retired” Twelve Minutes on HLTB. Those are the numbers we are dealing with here.

Very happy as It Takes Two definitely deserved it. Extremely creative game and really fun gameplay.

If i’m honest they would get me with War of the Lions and Crisis Core with trophies (and maybe Dynasty Warriors 2 and 3). Otherwise not sure how interested I would be!

I actually subbed for another year because I thought it would be good to get Godfall on my plus membership. That is rubbish.

Anything even relatively close to Bullfrog’s Theme Hospital and Dungeon Keeper are instantly worth checking out for me.

@everynowandben I didn’t play the original, and I still thought Psychonauts 2 was incredible. I do think there were a couple of confusing story beats to start that would have been explained by the first, or at least I would have been more familiar with character names, but it still worked as a complete game by itself. I know you weren’t asking me but just wanted to weigh in.

Yea I mean these awards are obviously stupid. Not worth using anything from here to bash Xbox or vice versa. I was amused that both consoles “game of the year” was a multiplat. The fact that someone still managed to turn that into laughing at Xbox just… par for the course these days 🤦‍♂️

Besides, Psychonauts 2 was actually my (single player) game of the year. With It Takes Two probably being my overall number 1.

Sounds like a lot of people here haven’t played It Takes Two.

That game was so creative and fun the whole way through it 100% deserves to win. Otherwise Psychonauts 2. Those two games are my Multiplayer and Single Player games of the year respectively.

The fact that Ratchet got so many votes here is a bit cringe!

@Stocksy yea i’m sorry but this was fixed because of the social media “scandal”. I mean sure maybe Sony would have fixed it anyway but they didn’t for the entire PS4 generation; only now that it became public.

I remember going to buy the Gears 3 Xbox 360 bundle at midnight and Gamestation slipped a downloadable code for Crysis 2 in everyones bag - was a nice suprise! But then it barely got played of course.

@uptownsoul who knows? The UK loves Playstation I guess!