Remember when there was big chatter about a Sony acquisition, specifically from industry veterans Jeff Grubb and Greg Miller? Both were talking about Square Enix. “When I talked about the three rumours I’d heard, and one was an acquisition, this is the one I’d heard,” Miller finally revealed on an episode of his PS I Love You podcast. “I heard that PlayStation was acquiring Square and I heard that from multiple different sources.”
How come, then, this rumour was doing the rounds but we never heard a peep about the Embracer Group buying Crystal Dynamics et al? Miller hypothesises that it’s possible some wires may have got crossed: “Was it that Square was trying to sell their Western studios and that was the rumour? Take everything with a grain of salt. That is what I’d heard, though, that PlayStation was trying to buy Square.”
As Miller rightly points out later in the podcast, anything is possible in this era where publishers like Activision Blizzard are getting bought up for almost $70 billion. But here’s the thing: when an acquisition actually does happen in this industry, we only ever learn about it when the ink is dry. That’s because business deals of this size are bogged down in so many NDAs that it’s almost unthinkable for a social media “insider” to get wind of them.
In other words, the next time you see a major rumour about a big corporate buyout, we’d recommend you approach it with a hearty helping of scepticism.
Jimbo solely doing this to bank on Outriders, because lord knows Jimbo loves live service games
@BoldAndBrash Hahaha. Well to be fair, Final Fantasy 14 is one of the biggest and best live service games around right now.
A part of me wants Sony to buy it, but, the way Sony has been handling Japanese games I prefer a real Japanese company to buy it, not by one that has been westernized.
Also, I want Squarenix to just wait to see how their new games will perform before selling the company.
Please be true 🙏 would love sony to buy them and secure some very nice exclusive JRPG's 😊
Imagine dragon quest 12 being playstation 5 exclusive, would drive crazy console sales and bring back some of the Japanese player base sony has lost
@CieloAzure sony could buy them but just let square enix carry on the way they are now and make the games they want to make, only change would be those games become playstation exclusive
If someone buys it I’d want it to be Sony, but seems strange they wouldn’t want tomb raider. That was pretty synonymous with early PlayStation
With Gamepass locking down western rpg’s, Sony locking down eastern rpg’s would seem the logical move (if the gaming industry was chess… as it’s rapidly becoming).
Makes sense. I still think passing on Tomb Raider was strange (legacy, movies, brand recognition) but I think it was to avoid FTC.
If true, really nice to see Cloud finally a officially Sony character, goes straight to the banner.
Its a nice defensive move, WB games and Capcom should be next.
Yeah I can see that, it will be kinda like PS2 days.
I just no longer see the benefit of big companies gobbling up the small companies anymore. Especially because the smaller IP's get buried for bigger IP's.
Remember when "multiple sources" claimed a Switch Pro would be revealed before E3 2021 (or at all)?
I believe it when I see it
Well this sucks. I can't see things faring out better under Sony leadership than under independent control. Looking at what happened to Japan Studio, I doubt Sony would allow interesting games like Triangle Strategy, or Live Alive remake to get made. Only thing I see improving is their the NFT businesses, although why Square would sell off some of their most iconic franchises right before an acquisition is beyond me.
I think it's a coup for Sony if it happens, just concerned that they've dumped titles such as Thief and Deus Ex. Both of those franchises have the potential to be massive with the right support.
I always find it frustrating that Sony doesn't seem to support western investment, especially given the enormity of it's overall financial success in western markets... Moreso than it's success in Japan itself!
I feel the same way. Under Uncle Jim all we seeing Live service games, remakes/remasters of old games and games that didn't really need it like Last of Us/Uncharted 4.
@Abeedo Yeah, this SquareEnix Acquisition will only makes sense if Sony allow the eastern devs freedom, the westernization of the brand, for me personally, its a low point on Sony.
On the other hand, if Sony dont buy Square, I can´t see much future for the company, given the last results.
Now all Jimbo needs to do is buy Ubisoft, then he'll have both GaaS and NFTs on lock. 😂
The fact that Greg Miller (pretty much) never does that is interesting. He always comments on other people's rumors, but it's very rare for him to claim he's heard anything himself.
Anyway, I think Capcom would be a much better buy, but you can't deny that Final Fantasy is huge for the PlayStation brand
@BRT15 They will need to move Abstergo from Montreal to California. Jim will be the supreme leader of the Order.
Seems like if they had gotten off their rears quicker we'd have had Tomb Raider guaranteed to stay on Playstation as well.
Maybe Sony was planning on buying the western studios but got outbid by Embracer cuz they had spent all their money on Bungie
With past history, Sony will probably buy Square Enix for $90 Billion.
@CieloAzure It's not even the live service part that irks me. It's the fact that every studio they own has to be making large scale big budget cinematic games, and that the really interesting smaller games that have lots of creativity, and take around half the time to make, will get shafted because it doesn't match what the core Playstation fan wants out of the studio.
@UltimateOtaku91 Get the Japanese player base back from what? Xbox? Sony's not going to get a "Japanese player base" to return in a way that matters. They've had the big Square RPGs locked exclusively anyway, buying Square doesn't really get them anything more than they had, other than denying Nintendo the smaller RPGs? But the Japanese player base is on Switch in the West, and on mobile (and some PC) in Asia. It's not coming back to Sony. It's not a big enough market sector for them to care, and they very visibly don't care.
PS as the weeb console is over. It's not coming back except for the small pile of holdouts and the FF exclusives. That died with Vita. Even if they did buy Square, they'd throw most effort at FF and spinoffs, maybe DQ and KH, release them more routinely, and repurpose the other studios as support structures for big western live service games, ending the weird niche JRPGs of which there's not the remotest chance Sony wants to do a thing with. Ryan's PS is not Kutaragi's PS, not matter how much we dream.
Rivaling the WRPGs going to MS would be a possible business angle, but I strongly doubt they see JRPGs as a deep business investment strategy in the direction they want. Bungie is what they want more of, not TWEWY. Triangle Strategy 2 isn't going to shift PS5s.
Let's be real, what they'd really want is the Asian mobile properties and the NFT business. Only XIV slots in nicely.
There’s enough movement going on right now that, yes, anything currently seems possible.
I still don't see it. Square-Enix will lock down games like FF16 and DQXII with exclusivity deals anyway, and I highly doubt a company as blockbuster-obsessed as they are care about the smaller stuff they're missing out on like Triangle Strategy and Octopath.
The big, industry-shaking acquisitions basically come out of nowhere most of the time. They're not gossiped about endlessly by "industry insiders."
Well, Sony has been locking Square-Enix games on their platform anyway. So, why not just make it official.
long as i get an offline campaign final fantasy im happy.
As much as I dislike this behaviour it is starting to look possible when you line the dots.
SE just sold their western IP's leaving just (mostly) SE Japan.
Sony just bought Bungie which is still being reviewed it seems by the FTC.
If they bought SE along with their western branch that would attract problems.
However, with SE pretty much only having their Japanese branch left that is something outside the FTC's control. There would be nothing to get in the way. That's probably why these strange things have happened of late.
I wouldn't be surprised if we hear a confirmation soon. And when Final Fantasy is a confirmed PlayStation exclusive IP there will be a lot if moaning coming from a certain hypocritical fan base I'm sure. Especially since they are still complaining about FF7R which further points to this being a possibility since the port is still nowhere to be seen.
@BoldAndBrash Outriders isn't a live service and other then the upcoming expansion it has zero paid content.
Sony’s only buying SE so we can get another Nier game
I just hope this doesn’t turn into a Sony buys SE, Microsoft buys Sega type of situation.
Weird Sony would buy SE without them having Tomb Raider and Deus Ex and all that but then again Sony are going hard on live service so they wouldn't do much with them anyway.
A lot of people have forgotten what Sony have said in regards to acquisitions; they go for supplementary purchases - ones that fill a gap in their service goals. Square’s core business would fit in quite nicely while the portions already sold added little value to Sony or their roadmap.
That’s my take anyways.
I sure hope this is not true. It would really suck now.
I don't know if I'd trust Sony buying Square Enix, they seem to do some smaller releases now and then but nowhere near as consistent as the past and while SE has made some questionable decisions recently I think a lot of it is just them not knowing what to do and if they stick to their Japanese games they're be just fine and back away from NFTs
Like with Sony owning them would we get games such as Octopath, Bravely Default, Triangle Strategy and so on?
Tbh Sony gets most of their games and timed deals with them anyway and they sell well on their system so I don't know if it's worth the money for them to buy SE
If their gaming division was still in Japan I'd probably not be too worried but since moving to America I don't understand how they function and find their handling of Japanese games weird considering most PS fans seem to like them and that's what I think about when PlayStation comes to mind
I think I'd rather see Square Enix just stick to multi platform and Sony and Nintendo can keep getting good games for their platforms
I can see Sony buying square…but then what I don’t get is that the general Consensus is the reason why Sony or MS didn’t go for square enix’s western studios is because both are already tied with big acquisition deals. It’s also doesn’t make much sense of squares press release after the sale.
I dunno, I do think if it’s suddenly announced that Sony are buying Square people should be scratching their heads on how they let a big ip like tomb raider go…especially when you’d think sony would also jump on making a tomb raider movie/tv show
@NEStalgia talk much?
Sony buying Square would be massive for PS Plus premium given the hundreds of games they would immediately be able to drop on the service - Chrono Trigger, Parasite Eve, Vagrant Story - and of course years of Dragon Quest, kingdom hearts and final fantasy titles etc.
Plus it would give them access to the most popular MMO in the world right now in FF14.
From Sony's perspective, if they can make it work, it makes an awful lot of sense
Maybe the reason final fantasy 7 remake hasn't come out on xbox yet is because sony is in the process of buying them and have asked square to keep it off xbox so it's a full playstation exclusive and have a good excuse to do so
I wish Sony would buy Square Enix, always wanted them to from day one.
It would be a fantastic combo.
I just wish games would stay PS + PC and not 100% exclusive to Sony consoles.
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God I hope not.
Considering the train wreck SE is at the moment I think 5 billion is reasonable.
I bet that company has way more internal debt than any of us could imagine. They’ve felt like 1996 Sega for years now with the incompetent management, stupid decision making, and bankrolling failed game ideas.
@NEStalgia all excellent points as usual. Sony has lost the Japanese market and they know it. They’re a Californian tech firm now completely westernised in nearly every aspect from the games their first party studios make to their virtue signalling politicking. Any Dev they buy instantly falls under the same banner and it won’t take me to tell you that will not win back the Japanese market.
Also I have to laugh at the double standard of some. It’s fine for Sony to buy studios like SE, celebrate and make games exclusive but oh god when MS do the same it’s the worst thing to happen in gaming ever. Hypocrites.
I don’t care who buys who but the double standard of some is embarrassing.
I'd rather they didn't considering what square has just sold, I mean Deus Ex, legacy of Kain and Tomb Raider would have made it a purchase worth making, not so much now me thinks.
Sony probably doesn’t want to have to release two mostly identical game series.
Uncharted is Sony’s baby. And whichever poor studio got stuck making Tomb Raider games would probably be pressured into making it “uncharted with a chick.”
If it was pre-Japan Studio closing Sony buying I'd say it would be a good fit. But while Square has put out quite a few stinkers as well as bangers recently, I feel we would miss out on some of the smaller more interesting stuff like Octopath that Square currently puts out.
So personally I hope it isn't true and Square just simply improves naturally.
Final Fantasy is probably the biggest Japanese franchise in the west outside of Nintendo’s offerings.
It makes sense to buy them for just the IP alone.
Microsoft is locking the Western RPG development pipeline. Sony has to compete somehow.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony bought SE and is also in negotiations to pickup Atlus from Sega if they can make Sega a big enough offer.
Sony please just do it and bring back the glory days of square enix ips. There's something seriously wrong going on there I actually just found an onlyfans "content creator" is an SE affiliate meaning she gets priority on games over actual gamers because she wears ff cosplays... disgusting.
@OrtadragoonX I think its Uncharted that it is Tomb Raider with a dude.. haha.. I actually prefer Tomb Raider over Uncharted, despite been a massive fan of Nathan Drake. Plus, Lara Croft was one of the images of Playstation for a long time. But seriously, I just dont think Naughty Dog is interested in making more of this games.
I don’t think Sony would outright cancel a game like Octopath Traveler.
Those are made by smaller SE teams who mostly do their own thing. They tend to have shorter development times and don’t run into the nightmare cost and development time overruns that their big teams do.
Sony will want to fill out the PS Plus offerings. Games like that are perfect for a streaming service.
When Uncharted was released it was nothing like the Tomb Raider games of the PS2 and PS1 era. At their core, Tomb Raider was a puzzle game combined with movement challenges and light combat. Uncharted was designed to bring the blockbuster nature of action flicks to the game controller.
By comparison, the Tomb Raider reboot series felt A LOT like Uncharted. It felt like SE ordered Crystal Dynamics to take Uncharted’s gameplan and make it super gritty, super dark, and super gory. I like the reboot trilogy, but they are nothing like the classic Tomb Raider games from the PS1, DC, PS2, GameCube, Xbox era.
@Fenbops Yeah, I dont like it either, but I think Microsoft forced Sony to make some defensive moves with this recently megaton purchases for Xbox, even the stocks fell in that period.
I agree they are a californian tech firm now, we can only hope that they realize they need Japan again and let them do their thing. Especially without censorship.
I hope not. Since they sold out their western studios, Square Enix has little value. Square without their best game franchuse Deus ex is worthless
I mean why are we all ignoring the elephant in the room when it comes to Square?
Final Fantasy. The best selling Japanese origin franchise in Europe and the United States outside of Mario and Zelda.
But then why would they sell the studios. Wtf is going on
@Gbarsotini I don’t like the market consolidation we are seeing from anyone but it’s happening and there’s very little we can do about it. I still maintain I’d rather see devs bought up by MS, Sony or Nintendo rather than some of the other entities out there like Tencent and Google. It’s not a great situation and i don’t see the point in choosing a side, they’re all as bad as each other.
does square have any shooters or fighters ? if not , 😴😴😴 . can’t remember the last square game i played since ff13
Actually I did play FF14 online , no coincidence their hottest game right now is live service but i digress about that .
edit - oh i forgot about tomb raider ! the remake was sick
They were offloading debt.
A crap ton of debt that they will have to manage doesn’t look good to a potential buyer. Especially a company like Sony, who is extremely cautious (perhaps overly cautious; they aren’t the risk taking company they were in the PS3 era anymore) about anything financial.
Square’s Japanese branch probably has a crap ton of debt (the company is ran by maniacs and have been since the PS2 era came to a close) that Sony will have to deal with assuming they actually buy SE. Square probably offloaded what it could to make it a more presentable offer.
If this is true. Id rather Sega or Capcom
@OrtadragoonX I agree with you about the new trilogy, The only difference its that its a lot more "open world" than Uncharted, with a little metroidvania included. What I really liked about Tomb Raider was that feeling of the PS1 era, that sense of discovery, just you and gigantic temples, tombs and caves. I just dont agree when you said that the new TB is super dark, I always tought of the games to be super dark in my opinion, more serious than Uncharted.
But if somehow someone manage to bring back those PS1 era TR feelings, sense of discovery, puzzle solving type of games, for me it will always be better than the blockbuster nature of Uncharted. But its just my opinion and personal taste.
But Uncharted is also fantastic, dont get me wrong, I was blown away with Uncharted 2, beeing 4 my favorite (really a fan of pirates). For me this a franchise that should have 8, 9 games, its fantastic, but unfortunaly I think Naughy Dog isnt interested.
is that the same Greg miller who said "playstation is making 3 big announcements this week" a while ago but nothing really happened that week or that month or after that month lol
Eh I’ve never been a big of fan of beating franchises to death. Eventually you end up with Call of Duty Syndrome.
I think Naughty Dog really wants to finish TLOU trilogy and then move on to another new IP. And I’m cool with that. I like Uncharted a lot myself, but I also don’t want to see a talented developer keep beating the same franchise over and over again.
I’m afraid of the game industry turning into the movie industry, where there is hardly any creativity and a severe lack of new IPs. I like a lot of the MCU movies, but I’ve been saying for years that the MCU’s overwhelming success was the worst thing to ever happen to film.
I think square enix could help Revive some of Sony old Jrpg series like The Legend of Dragoon and Wild Arms.
Wouldn't be surprised given Jim Ryan's live service focus. Sony acquired Bungie for live service purposes and FFXIV is up there with Destiny 2 as one of the most popular live service games.
@SplooshDmg If it were to happen I could see it benefit Sony only if the cost of the company, additional business, and licensing revenue acquired was of greater value than what they're paying to moneyhat exclusivity of a few major IP. They don't care about 90% of what Square makes. But if it's cheaper over 10 years to buy the company, than to meet their terms in exclusivity contract fees, they may buy them. But not because of the fan imagined love for traditional PS2-era Japanese games, or any interest in doing anything at all with them in the future. Just to better balance the quarterlies with some reduction in the liables. And it buys them an MMO and a big mobile business, which they could monetize further. I'm guilty of it myself, but fans look at these brands and see only the past like the year 2000 is still present. Sony's not selling DVD-ROM as the future anymore with their consoles. They're just looking for business avenues, not new franchises and IP. Heck, look at most of their purchases. They've bought virtually no IP. They're just buying talent, business models, capacity for the same projects, and market footprints. They got Destiny, but the IP isn't even what they wanted from the deal.
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Not gonna lie I'm worried about them westernizing Square Enix if they get bought by Sony.
Of course they will because now Sony can now afford it. This only pleases JRPG fans because outside that they don't have "CRAP" to offer to the western audience.
Sony should buy From Software and Capcom. There’s talk of Creative Assembly making a Monster Hunter clone exclusive for game pass so perhaps Microsoft knows the next Monster Hunter won’t be on Xbox.
I’m cool with acquisitions of companies with incompetent management who need a cash influx and a change of ways.
Activision/Blizzard is a complete and utter train wreck. Someone needed to buy them. I hope Microsoft cleans house, moves a few studios out of the Call of Duty slave mines, and get that place back together again. They used to be a good company back in the early 360/PS3 days. Maybe being run by a more competent company like Microsoft will help them get back to that era’s quality.
Same goes for Square-Enix. It’s not Acti/Blizz bad (female employees can freely walk around without getting groped by creeps) but it is a bit of a train wreck with how it’s managed. I think they’d be a good fit at Sony. Get some new leadership in there and get it running efficiently. No more ten year to develop games. That’s the first thing I would mandate.
@Rural-Bandit why are you Xbox dudes always here.
No he didnt say that.
He has heard about 3 things and if 1 of them drops next week it is big.
So 2 more things, probably a buy and a showcase with big titles is left now.
Considering Sony allowed Bungie to continue their independent platform releases, I’m sure they would do with the same with Square-Enix in regards to Switch and PC.
Hell, they may even bring over some games to the Xbox family.
What I could see happening is Sony putting some Square titles on its new PS Plus while everyone else would have to pay full price. That’s almost certainly what Microsoft is going to do with Activision. New Call of Duties on Gamepass at launch but if you’re on PlayStation you have to buy the game traditionally.
@Rural-Bandit @Fenbops it's not about people being hypocrites, it's about playstation fans wanting sony to buy a big studio to counter Microsoft buying two of the biggest third party publishers and making all of Bethesda's future games exclusive. The ones being hypocrites are the Xbox fans moaning about sony potentially buying someone and moaning about Sony fans for wanting that companies games to be exclusive.
The amount of xbox fans who say Microsoft should buy this Studio and buy that Studio and buy sega etc etc yet as soon as sony are rumoured to be buying square enix then all of a sudden sony fans are rotten?
Also you just said if sony buy square enix then Microsoft should keep call of duty, so what do you say about Bethesda? Are sony not allowed to buy a big third party company and keep it's games exclusive but Microsoft can? That right there is hypocrisy....
Hmm I think you would be correct if again we were talking Pre-Japan Studio closure Sony but current day Sony...I don't see them funding projects like Octopath. I'd love to be wrong though if this buyout would happen at some point.
Why is that all this talk about sony buying square enix gives xbox fans the right to say sony should keep their games multi-platform whilst xbox keep Bethesda games as exclusives. Sony shouldn't let themselves be bullied my Microsoft and do whatever they want with their current studios and future acquisitions
@Rural-Bandit It's surreal the hypocracy. Probably stems from enough PS/XB gamers that don't see Nintendo as a "real" console (I have my gripes with Switch, but I also have my joys with it, too.) But then the hypocrisy gains another level when the praise about "Japanese" games and then summarily rejects "non-westernized blockbuster Japanese games" like Octopath/Triangle Strategy. (I'm actually not a fan of either game, I was mega-hyped for Octo and have the popup book special edition and everything, but the game disappointed me for a variety of reasons. I want more games LIKE that, but not that, or Bravely specifically )
There's another reason mobile and Switch dominate Japanese development. PS (and XB) classed themselves out of the game budgets, by making machines designed for the highest budget "AAA" games, which costs too much to make and erodes the viable market for the lower budget games that the majority of Japanese devs product. While Switch and mobile offers the right development cost, and blends in with the market since "AAA" is more limited there. The platform and the customer base it fosters fit with their budgets. PS and XB no longer do.
PC is special because when you look at the Steam metrics, most "PC gamers" are rocking utter garbage beige PCs, not the stereotype of the LED lit dual-GPU heat monsters. That fits the low spec budgets of most Japanese devs well enough.
@Rural-Bandit if you own all three then why do you care who buys who? You just stated you want Microsoft to buy cd project and that you want xbox to keep call of duty exclusive if sony get square and make them exclusive, you seem to be biased towards xbox when it comes to acquisitions, yet sony need to make big acquisitions as well to keep up the competition, otherswise 20 years down the line there won't be a playstation brand anymore
@SplooshDmg True, and if the costs don't add up, then they don't. But they do get Sony back into the MMO market, and a pretty big mobile market, they're currently out of, so there's still some strategic value, while MS just bought King and 2k bought Zynga.
Cutting Nintendo out is a loss though. Those are cheap to make games that sell as well as some expensive games in revenue. That would hurt the value. They won't cut PC though. If we know one thing about Jim Ryan, it's that he's going full speed on PC. But you're right about devaluing the Japan market without handheld. They could keep S-E independent and making Switch games as long as it's not XB, but, then, they're not really buying companies, they're just buying revenue streams and a free exclusivity subscription.
I don't think if this acquisition to be in line with Sony's approach to make more profit. Nothing interesting here.
@UltimateOtaku91 It seems that you are a true fan of Sony and playstation. I was like you many years back, but don't care anymore. I always thought the Sony buying square not enix is the greatest idea.
While I'm not a fan of all the industry consolidation, Sony can't just wait around and organically grow their studios while Microsoft acquires a publisher every two years. Square-Enix would fit perfectly with Sony as they produce plenty of games in genres Sony doesn't currently cover with their first party. Final Fantasy is also very important for PlayStation.
Edit: Admittedly, the value of Square Enix is diminished without those IPs and studios they recently sold off, but perhaps that makes them more attractive to Sony now. Sony really needs more Japanese games.
@NEStalgia you're probably right, Sony buying square is what I would want as it would stop Microsoft buying them and making their games exclusive as every generation so far I've probably played more square enix games than any other amount of games from any studio, I mean even the games I'm playing now are the voice of cards, kingdom hearts collection and triangle strategy, and completed TWEWY earlier this year along with babylons fall and bravely default 2, currently playing through guardians of the galaxy on xbox, also got stranger of paradise but not played it yet, also will get the new star ocean, Forspoken, final fantasy 16 and the new valkyrie profile game this year hopefully, all those from square enix in the space of year and half, so yeah my selfish desire to either playstation buying them or they stay as they are now.
I wouldn't mind nintendo buying them as I probably spend 40% of my time gaming on the switch, but my problem is nintendo don't do powerful hardware so there wouldn't be games like forspoken or final fantasy 7 remake.
@2here2there yeah I'm not a pure fanboy as I also game on the switch and every now and then on the series S, but I grew up with playstation 1 and even at the age 9/10 I was interested in JRPG's, I like playstations exclusives as well but if you made me choose between god of war Ragnarok, the last of us part 3 or a new AAA square enix jrpg then I'm choosing the latter
@SplooshDmg If one thing defines the past 2 years of Sony strategy, it's reactionary poor planning and last minute decisions not thought all the way through.
Though I still say Sony would have preferred to get the big western IPs than anything but FF, really. Let alone at the price THQ paid.
@UltimateOtaku91 I could see it defensively to prevent MS from buying them, but there's still a lot of problems for that to happen in terms of the Japanese protection laws. Even if MS were permitted to buy them, which isn't super likely, Square and the Japanese regulators would prefer a stock investment. That's how Sony stopped MS buying the full S-E back when they had an actually Letter of Intent (which is all but an inked deal) - Sony just bought a chunk of stock, and that was that, deal was off. No need to buy out the company. It's actually Sony that raised the possibility of anyone buying them at all by selling off the shares they had. They'd have controlled S-E forever, anyway with the prior arrangement. To me it indicates a strong lack of interest in general (under Ryan's watch.) They like their FF games but other than that, they just don't care.
For those same selfish reasons, though, Sony buying them out would be the worst case short of Tencent buying them, though. I 100% guarantee most of those smaller JRPGs would vanish entirely and an exodus of talent would occur under Ryan. They'd be all-out-focused on high budget westernized blockbusters and mtx service games, and the small experimental games (TWEWY, BD, the HD2D catalog, etc ) would go the way of the dodo. The producers would probably leave and start indies, though. Probably would get a Star Ocean but it would be a live service with seasons.)
Plus we wouldn't get a Balan Wonderworld sequel....
@OrtadragoonX FF is selling very well and it would have big value for Sony but for me FF is not good series. I like Deuš ex which is by far the best franchise Square had
@UltimateOtaku91 you own all 3 as well don’t you? So by that logic you shouldn’t care either.
I hope Sony buys Square Enix. Maybe then they can force them to fix their broken PC games, and release FF7 Remake and KH1-3 on steam.
@K1LLEGAL playstation is my preferred choice when it comes to JRPG's especially those from square enix as I've grown up playing all their games from playstation 1 era onwards on playstation apart from switch exclusives and only want playstation to buy them as Microsoft would kill of most of its line up and focus of western style games, but if sony also had that idea then I'd rather no one buy them, when it comes to square enix and Atlus I'd rather them stay multi platform or playstation exclusive, evey other company I'm fine with Microsoft or anyone else buying as I wouldn't mind playing them on series S if I had to.
Another reason I want sony to buy square enix is because I regard them as one of the top 5 developers/publishers and Sony need to get one of those on board to stay relevant and still provide competition with xbox otherswise in 20 years or so playstation will be no more or just a developer. I'd just rather square enix over EA or ubisoft
@Rural-Bandit I also own all three but ever since Microsoft bought Bethesda and is keeping their games exclusive, which there are some massive sellers there like elder scrolls and fallout that sony are missing out on, this is going to effect sony pretty hard and is already showing signs that sony is losing ground, for competitions sake sony need to do the same otherswise they will lose more and more ground whilst microsoft buy more and more studios, that's why I want sony to buy square enix, and whilst I understand there's other big fish like ubisoft and EA that sony could bid for I just prefer square enix 😂
In an ideal world I'd rather all games be playable on all consoles or just one super console that all games run on, would save me money and the gaming sites would be a better place 😜
@Rural-Bandit well in 25 years il be 55 bang on so my gaming days may have slowed down a lot by then, but that's a future I honestly don't want to be apart of as I prefer to own my games fully and not relying on Internet connection to play games like dragon quest and single player elder scrolls games. I think I'd have to go full on nintendo as I can't see them going the streaming route especially as they are 1-2 generations behind sony/Microsoft in every department
Oh gee now that they sold off a huge chunk of the good properties. Why does it feel like Sony is being mismanaged lately.
@Robocrop_Duster how Sony being mismanaged?
Not worth it for the occasional decent game S-E releases. This ain't the PS1 era people.
What people don't understand is you don't just call up a billion dollar company and buy it in a week. I bet anything the Embracer group buyout was well before Sony made their offer for Square Enix. That is if these rumors are true that Sony is buying them. Square and Sony have been close ever since Sony got into the console business so I can see it. They could have even bought them years ago when the FF movie tanked the company and Sony bought a ton of their stock to keep them afloat.
Also what is with the cringe fanbase here ***** on Sony so much? They've released a steady amount of great games for years now and really their only big problem is they can't even get consoles to people. All the talk about live service games and they've only released one so far. Aside from the hysteria of idiots, it's actually a great game too. The fanbase here is so negative for no reason. You act like Jim Ryan is the devil and controls the entire company himself. I bet you're the same dumb people who think Don Mattrick was the only person making decisions for Xbox. Some of you must have such lonely, terrible lives to be so constantly negative.
The best Square Enix projects these days are on Switch so screwing Nintendo on this would suck. I don't care if garbage like current Final Fantasy and the VII Remake stays PS exclusive, but taking the HD-2D projects and Dragon Quest away from Nintendo where they dominate in Japan would leave a sour taste in my mouth.
@NEStalgia The MS buying scenario you mentioned is 100% false. They made an offer to buy Square in 1999 and got close to a deal but then Square said they wanted double their original asking price and MS didn't think it was worth it. Sony didn't buy Square's stock until 2001 when Square had major financial issues when Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within bombed. Then to return the favor when Sony was having financial issues in 2014 they both agreed to have Sony sell their stake which was only 8%. This is all easily found with a Google search. There was no Sony blocking an MS buyout with a stock purchase lol...
@NEStalgia Do you have a source re Sony blocking MS from buying SE by purchasing stock?
The way I understood that series of events is exactly as @mucc mentions - SE asked MS for double at the last minute. MS felt like they were being laughed at and that was the end of it.
Regarding Sony, when Squaresoft were struggling Sony bought some stock to help keep them afloat, and later when SE were solid and Sony were struggling the stock was sold back.
The two companies really do have a solid relationship.
As for this purchase I could see it happening, but more than likely it would be similar to the Bungie deal.
SE have a lot of game IP that would fit right in to Sony's current strategy, plus a manga distribution arm that would sit nicely alongside Crunchyroll.
But, there's a special place in hell for the person who tries to permanently block future Dragon Quest games from Nintendo consoles.
So if this were to happen hopefully it would be like the Bungie deal, possibly with the exception of Final Fantasy and future projects featuring new IP.
@OrtadragoonX Sony would have to be the dumbest publishers on the planet if they actively turned their nose up at owning the tomb raider franchise. I don’t care how many uncharteds they have…there’s still plenty of value in the tomb raider ip…Lara Croft arguable still more iconic than Nathan drake.
No, I just can’t see them saying to square enix “we’ll only buy you if you get rid of all your highly talented western devs and their iconic ip first”… especially when they could have had it for an easy 300mill.
And there’s no way in the world MS would have turned down the chance to have tomb raider and crystal dynamics (who they’re already paying for perfect dark) in the bag.
There’s a reason why both Sony and MS didn’t bid on square enix western devs and ip…and it certainly isn’t because they already have similar games a new tomb raider would be competing against.
Breaking News: Square Enix sold to Sony for 7.2 billion Gil and 5 Phoenix Downs.
How is FFVII Remake garbage?
Did you even play it?
The game is brilliant. It’s not perfect, far from it. But it has the best battle system a Final Fantasy game has had since XII, it’s a good challenging game, the character models are the best I have ever seen in a game (the attention to detail is out of this world good) and the English voice track is Square’s best they have ever done. I actually prefer it to the Japanese track and I rarely ever say that about Japanese properties.
The only real downside to the game is that it is extremely linear. There’s a lot of freedom to the combat, but there’s no exploration. I feel that’s a result of Nomura trying to cram too many ideas at one time and setting development back. It feels like the world design was hastily built in the last year of development, since the environmental visuals are a huge downgrade from Final Fantasy XV.
My main point was that it was probably a lot of longstanding debt to take on with those studios. SE isn’t exactly known for running a smooth operation over there. Especially with their western studios.
Tomb Raider has a lot of nostalgia attached to it, but it’s not at the top of the food chain anymore. It went through one long term hiatus before, and it’s going through another one now.
Sony could do fine without it. It would be a better fit at Microsoft and you’re right, they’d have probably snapped it up had they known about it.
Perhaps this was a back room deal that no one else was privy too. Embracer may have came to SE first to enquirer about properties, SE thought it over and combined with possible pre existing feelings about selling themselves to a bigger company, said sure. We get to offload a ton of debt and make ourselves more appealing to potential buyers.
@OrtadragoonX mate with all the respect in the world…what are you going on about?
First, how’s tomb raider going through a long term hiatus? Tomb raider had a game and movie out in 2018. And just the other week it was reported a new one is in development using unreal 5…
It’s already been reported that the studios were sold debt free. So didn’t take any debts with them. You mean square used the 300mill to pay off their existing debts to look a more attractive buy for Sony? I reckon it would have been better having a western franchise legacy ip on the table still tbh…especially when Sony also makes movies. But who knows.
There’s very slim chance though that MS didn’t know about it. Yet random YouTuber did. I think it’s safe to assume square enix wanted to sell their western studios and probably were open to offers from all those interested…rather than settling on a chance buy by embracer.
Again, crystal dynamics is currently working with Microsoft…you don’t think they had any idea at all when square loaned them out that square were interested in selling them?
I don’t think MS are able to make any acquisitions till the activision deal goes through. And I reckon Sony may be in a similar boat with the destiny deal.
This confirms more that it's not happening because none of the acquisitions leaked from 3rd parties before.
Part of me wishes this was true so they could "play ball" with Microsoft to publish each others games on the other platform. Even if not at launch.
Won't believe it until it's official
@UltimateOtaku91 tbh 3ds, Switch and Vita are where I prefer my JRPGs....... Kinda like how the Japanese do, too... .
I ended up buying Strikers on switch and ps. Send help.
@OrtadragoonX I played it when it came out and was very disappointed by it. I don't care for the extra story elements and find it extremely tacky. The pacing was really slow and dragged out. Combat system was nice and yeah it looked pretty, but that amounts to nothing with how it, at least in my opinion, messed up as a remake by adding the stupid timeline ghost crap.
@Shepherd_Tallon @mucc That's interesting Ave very different from the timeline as I've seen it. I honestly can't say who's right. Where did that info come from? Ill have to search for mine. It may have started with an NL article of an interview several years back. I'm nearly certain of it, but finding it might be difficult.
@Rural-Bandit Your kids got good taste, ACNH is a boring, terrible disgrace of an animal crossing game. Buy her a 3ds and new leaf and you won't hear from her till she's 19
Thank god that fell through
Only positive for me with a possible buyout would be that we still can get the games vs Microsoft locking us out. Like I have been saying though I would still let it go to all platforms just a few years down the road.
Not sure this makes much sense for Sony.
Sure, it wouldn’t surprise me. A logical acquisition.
But I fear with Sony’s recent push into the live service market, they’re going to turn Square into a live service game company. Possibly even mobile gaming given its extreme profitability.
Fingers crossed I’m completely wrong.
@Rural-Bandit The cloud and streaming games isn't the future like people think it is. No one wants to stream there games, you can't ever beat playing games natively. Streaming will end up like NFTs, it will end up failing.
I just can't ever see a day that streaming is identical to playing a game natively, it just can't ever be because it's streaming. It's just too complicated and there's so many variables like Internet speeds etc. Not everyone has the best Internet in the world or even Internet at all.
@mucc It's all about communication. Naturally with almost all the 1st party news coming out of Sony over the past few months being about live service and subscriptions, people are going to be concerned that Sony may have decided that it's their major focus for the future and the days of traditional single player games starting to come to an end. The next PS Showcase will be a big indicator of whether that'll actually be the case.
I think they've noted twice in the past year or so that single player narrative driven games are crucial to their continued success.
Considering the freedom PlayStation give to their first party teams and how much they love the franchises they work on, the single player games won't be going anywhere.
Judging by the games they showed at their last big showcase I'd say we're safe when it comes to the future of single player narrative driven titles on PlayStation.
All of the mobile and online moves are just smart business.
(I can almost see Sony saying they're only buying SE to help their mobile games strategy)
If Sony had gotten Square much earlier, I would love to have seen some kind of a Tomb Raider/Uncharted crossover game.
Off topic but when you say 400MBPS I'm assuming you mean 400 Megabits per second? (400Mb/s) Because 400 Megabytes per second would equate to a 4Gigabit connection which as far as I am aware doesn't exist in Europe or the US yet?
As an example, 1Gigabit/s is the same as 100Megabytes/s, which is a standard FTTH ISP's offer nowadays.
I can easily explain why Sony is currently being mismanaged.
Example 1: Sony's heavy push to games as a service (Only few IPs have ever been successful)
Example 2: Selling expensive vita dev kits to Indy developers and announcing a few months later No new Vita games would be accepted.
Example 3: Their studio purchases have been games as a service and infrastructure focused. Not "producing more projects" to combat the coming Xbox wave of titles.
Example 4: Creating a emulator locked behind a subscription is incredibly anti-consumer
Example 5: For a few years now, they will not talk about simple need to know information of upcoming products until the very last minute ie back in 2020, "Will the Ps5 play offline"
Example 6: releasing the Ps5 in a non ready state like missing features such as the ability to store ps5 games on a standard external hard drive.
Example 7: their obsession of heavily censoring games produced independently or outside the west but allowing western games (especially in house games) to be as graphic as they want.
Example 8: they shift to make games $70 instead of the standard $60
Example 9: Not letting their studios pursue the projects they want (look into Bend studios)
Example 10: Their lack of interest in preserving games like attempting to close the Ps3 and vita stores down. This one has been hinted at changing with new employees suggested in being focused on game preservation so I placed it last.
Sorry for the long winded response.
Now THAT would be something...
@ReyMan_23 i think they shaved off studios for the sale , so i don't think they were ever a part of it.
@Robocrop_Duster the only part i'll respond to is , the ps3 is pretty old and really slow. i doubt there is much traffic on either store (ps3 and vita). but all of the sudden people care when they want to shut it down. but i'm curious to how much traffic it's gotten recently now they extended it.
@Relygon isn't ff14 one of the biggest live service games?
@twitchtvpat Precisely. That means Square Enix knows what it takes to create new successful live service games for Sony. Square also have mobile games so I think they can contribute on that department, too.
Yeah I live in the UK and I don't get FFTH in my region yet, I'm on a 100Mb connection via coaxial with Virgin Media. The price for gigabit is quite expensive here and next month they want to charge me £55 up from £32 monthly for 100Mb. After 15 years with them if they don't make a better offer than that I told them they can shove it up their ****!
I usually buy my games physical so I don't need anything much more than that as I only download updates or use it for video streaming. Although I did try RE5 on a PSNow trial once and that ran ok, even with Sony's poor implementation.
@mucc i’ve noticed much of what he says are facts are either opinion or just off the mark.
@Robocrop_Duster so apparently people giving their opinions on how stuff should be done (against a company that currently earns more than any of their direct competition no less) now is proof of mismanagement, despite the fact that you (correct me if I’m wrong here) have absolutely no business accolades or accomplishments to your name?
Makes sense in some make believe la-la land maybe
@BoldAndBrash Isn’t destiny enough though?
Not for Jimbo
Would of been some real flex for Sony there. Craziness they should of gone for it!
@Rural-Bandit Regarding cloud, I think Fortnite's addition to xCloud showcases that loads of people are willing to use cloud. Xbox servers have been massively struggling since its addition, even Christmas 2021 didn't have server issues to this extent.
@mucc @Shepherd_Tallon Unfortunately I haven't been able to locate much information about EITHER version of the story, so IDK what the real sequence of events is. The only part I can really confirm is seeing that it was 2014 that Sony sold the SE stock, which is well before the version I had where it was a year or two before the ff legacy games went multiplat all at once, so whatever I read may well have been bogus, tough the part I don't get is I swear it started with an NL article. Shrug
Either way, mismanaged as squeenix is, I definitely don't see it getting any better for jrpg fans if Sony buys them while Ryan is at the helm. Jim's about the mass of western casual and mobile gamers. I sure hope it doesn't happen. There's too much emotional memory that thinks because square defined the PSX and PS2, Sony+square means returning to that era.
"In other words, the next time you see a major rumour about a big corporate buyout, we’d recommend you approach it with a hearty helping of scepticism."
Then why do you keep reporting on them then?
@BRT15 I love Square and ubi so ***** yes! And buy WB while there at it
@Rural-Bandit It's all stupid, since internet infrastructure just isn't good enough for most of us to play modern games on the cloud. My internet in the Phoenix suburbs is barely sufficient to stream NES, SNES, GENESIS, and N64 games on the Nintendo Switch Online service and I have the best net in the area. Tried PS Now and the lag was so bad there was like a 5 second delay.
Outside of areas like LA, NYC, and a handful of other big cities the infrastructure is sorely lacking. And that's not even counting the fact that over 4 billion people in the world live in areas that don't have access to high speed internet.
In short, if gaming goes Cloud only, the vast majority of gamers will be squeezed out of the hobby they grew up with and enjoy. 😫
This would be one of Sony's best decisions ever if it comes to pass.
However I fear this was a false rumor or confused with the Embracer deal.
Oh no. I hope not. Because Sony’s censorship policies have been ruining games lately. If Sony buys Square Enix then we might as well forget about playing games the way devs intended.
Furthermore. Square Enix titles sell across all four platforms. And Sony needs to focus on getting their ***** together in other areas before they buy studios.
"That one is popular to report back to Pure Xbox"
This is one of the saddest things I think I've ever read.
@Akurusu what games have been "ruined" by censorship recently?
I can’t be the only gamer who’s not in favor of these companies snatching up big studios. I mean, I play PlayStation solely but don’t like things being locked up like this.
Someone asked me why I thought something and I answered. Almost all of the things I mentioned I found from sites like push square and others like the vita dev kits debacle.
It's more of a game preservation aspect. I would concurred that the stores probably didn't see a lot of traffic but after they were threaten traffic did increase due to people fearful that rare games would become impossible to get after the closure.
@DuncanDisorderly a quick google search will tell you what you need to know.
@Akurusu I googled it but it mostly seemed to be strange, worrying outrage over the fact that a remastered game showed less of a child character's underwear than the original, but surely that isn't what you're talking about.
@DuncanDisorderly the big censorship controversy right now is how the switch game "In the Mood" was allegedly censored to become "I Love Food" on PS4. The backgrounds of scantily clad women were reskinned to be images of food.
Just a question.
If he ‘heard’ it. Why didn’t he says so? Instead of going all insider mode with BS ‘it’s big’ but not giving name. (Heard from group of people so don’t give that bs excuse of protecting source)
Gimme a break. I don’t respect that secret secret pretending crap.
I'd rather they buy Konami tbh
You know what's worse than anything. Someone trying to be stealth neutral and quickly exposes their position.
As a person who plays PC, PS, and Ninty. I was happy about the Bethesda move, only because it meant MS finally would have some movement giving Sony some competition. As MS as a gaming company has been an absolute joke since they stopped trying late in the 360 Era. Actually alot of people were fine with it. Sure some fans weren't and alot were confused because of MS being Microsoft and pretending they'd still release Bethesda games outside Xbox. Which I knew was going to be a lie outside existing agreements.
They always play dirty. They were the ones who started all the money hatting companies in the 360 Era where they were paying for a million Japanese games to stay off playstation for years. No one bat an eye. When PS played their game in the PS4 Era, people started complaining ironically lol.
MS buys Bethesda. Sony Buys companies that have been working as second party companies to them for so long. People keep bringing up Japan studios like it wasn't pretty obvious that Japan Studios was restructured into Asobi lol. Then MS buys Acti Blizzard. Why wouldn't Sony fans want them to buy a publisher? They're afraid MS will just keep doing it. Next you hear they got ubisoft, Sega Capcom etc. And there's nothing on sonys console lmao. Nahh, let there be balance. If MS is playing that game and Sony decides to play ball, it's rightfully so. I was happy about Bethesda, but knew Acti was really starting a real problem and the fact your argument is Sony fans being supportive of the idea and not MS buying twice before sonys done once, is showing the real hypocrisy here
@Milktastrophe what you may actually find out if you were actually looking is. After companies heard about the censorship. Most of them made modifications themselves before sony says anything assuming they will. But the problems tend to come from sexualizing underage characters. Not necessarily censoring everything sexual. Like sure being based in the US is probably why it's a thing as theirs literal child nudity laws you don't even want to play around tbh. People will argue they're just drawings or characters. Then you can easily argue that why does it need to be underage characters being sexualized. Their needs to be a shift in the mindset of the Japanese culture for that stuff. It's becoming more and more out of hand. There's too much incest stuff coming out. Like they're really fetishizing little sisters with big bros. Still hate that Neptunia ReBirth 2 has a scene where 8 year old rom and ram are being licked down in the most tentacle like way in a full illustration with them saying hey, don't lick me their and such. As a artist myself and currently writing a series. I understand freedom of expression and such. But there absolutely needs to be ground rules. Also I don't know what's up with that game. That's crazy wild. The only game I've known to make big changes through censorship was Tokyo Mirage Sessions. The only time I was kinda shocked. But yeahhhh don't get why they used the English version on the switch release lol. Maybe cheaper to do that? Not too sure.
But even with that, Square Enix never was a company about extreme fanservice and didn't have conflicting issues with Sony anyways. Whether the game wad good or bad, the gameplay always spoke for itself outside of Nier lol. Which didn't do enough to get censored
Let’s answer your examples then shall we.
1- yes, only a few games have been super successful (publicly so, and radically successful) others may not seem successful but you may not have all the relevant information to make that call. Sony would for any game on their platform as they get a cut from all purchases made on the platform.
2- could this have been handled better for the devs who had made recent purchases? Perhaps, but we don’t know when this was finalized, the dev support people may not have known about the closure plans until last minute
3- sony is a company that is currently focussing on supplementing their existing strengths with purchases aimed at strengthening their long term prospects and survival. They don’t need to answer the “coming of xbox wave of titles” remember xbox is massively playing catch-up in this regard.
4- just because you think this is anti-consumer doesn’t mean it is; classic nintendo games aren’t playable on the super nintendo for example. Sony is offering a service allowing you to play those games if you wish. If you don’t like the value don’t subscribe. You’re just feeling entitled, a sign you’re probably quite young. Companies owe you NOTHING.
5- so you want them to give their plans further in advance? In business you don’t want to give information until it is finalized, this allows you flexibility should you need it . Really just your opinion and not mismanagement at all in any case.
6-the game system was released in a finished state. Again, you’re feeling entitled to saying the system should release with everything YOU want. I.E.: “I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW - cue tantrum cry”.
7- it’s their platform and they’re allowed to set the standards at what they want. Don’t like it play elsewhere. Again, not a mismanagement indication when their business earns far more than their competitors.
8- they are allowed to set the cost of their games. See the end to number 7 if you don’t like it
9- their studios can work on projects they wanted. Got a source saying otherwise? Look at the recent bungie purchase as proof bud 😂
10- their attempt to close ps3/vita stores are a case of cost management (it’s their fiduciary duty - look it up if you’re not familiar with this legal term - to make sure that if costs - servers etc - exceeds the income from a service you act to rectify that).
I believe Sony will do it, or is trying at least. This can be good overall because it is unlikely sony will turm all titles exclusive because of excrutinity involved. Bigger games will likely release for PS and PC, smaller ones and whenever technically possibe for PS and switch. The good side is that for those of us, mainly PS players all Square Enix games will be secured.
While I can see some aspects of what you are saying, I have to disagree with some of what you are saying. I also didn't say I wanted the system with everything I wanted as soon as possible. I would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9 are the ones I strongly disagree with you on.
It's not giving out sensitive information to give crucial need to know details like, can it play offline?
The system should have been delayed a year so that it could launch with the crucial features. one of which is storing a ps5 game on a external hard drive. That was something many owners were getting furious about. Number 7 was pretty self explanatory and is for the most part universally criticized by most gamers.
Sure they're allowed to set the cost of their own games but when most everyone else doesn't follow suit, it doesn't work.
And with number 9 Bend studios would strongly disagree with you.
@Robocrop_Duster I’m just saying that companies most often have a plan for when information is going to be released and how. Just because that doesn’t line up with when you want information does not mean it’s being mismanaged. Not by a long shot.
If anything is should have been the xbox that was delayed - it had literally no launch games! Which by the way would be far more in line with mismanagement than Sony. But I digress.
They likely didn’t think people would want to store their games on a drive that can’t play them. Honestly can’t say I have or want to personally. I’m sure they had data that reflected as much through their market research.
As for number 7 don’t kid yourself, it was a small subset of gamers that were very vocal. Most people simply wouldn’t know or care apart from the hardcore gamers.
As for price point they are not the only ones doing so or have you forgotten that?
Bend studio were the ones that shot it down, not Sony. Didn’t you know that?
I agree Xbox should have been delayed but Sony needed to reveal what the Backwards compatibility was going to be like. Only about one month before release did Sony talk about offline play and what the scope of BC was truly going to be. Xbox was talking about both months before Sony did (Although recently Xbox has been going through the ringer due to how many hoops you have to jump through to play offline)
The game storage was a huge problem since at the time the only way to play new Ps5 games was to delete existing games on the pathetically small SSD. For the longest time I only could have like 4 games on it.
7 Didn't feel like a small subset of gamers.
I understand others like EA are also having $70 MSRP but most companies have refrained from doing so.
Bend Studio wanted to make a Resistance sequel, Sony declined. They wanted to make a Days gone 2, Sony declined. Sony made them work on a remake (can't remember if it was Uncharted or Last of us) Until they finally got Sony to let them move on to a original IP.
@Robocrop_Duster what are you talking about bend did not want to do a days gone two, they never even pitched it to sony.
“It was very obvious that we shouldn’t be talking about Days Gone when we were working on the pitch [for our next game]. It was clear that it was a non-starter and there was nothing in the [Days Gone 2] pitch that made the local manager and his boss feel good about it. That’s probably a failure of the creative group… it was just an uphill battle.”
I have 15 games installed on my ssd don’t know what you’re installing 😂
And again, just because YOU want information earlier does not mean they need to give it. Come on man 😂
Also, don’t be ridiculous calling the ssd pathetically small. It’s pretty obvious you're just biased and being hyperbolic.
And the SSD is pathetically small. You can try to make excuses as long as you want, with the growing size of games that SSD is not big enough. You must be running a bunch of indy titles to reach 15 games.
@Robocrop_Duster whatever you say buddy. No I’m not even an indie game fan 😂😂
Do you even own a Ps5? Doesn’t sound like it. For instance, what were these ps5 games that filled your ssd with only 4 games?
I own a Ps5. Got one in January of 2021. Sounds to me like you don't have one. I'd be willing to bet you don't have one. I had Avengers, God of War, Days gone, A Call of Duty and No Man's Sky. Every point I have made I still stand by. You're arguments are thin at best. The simple fact that you missed that Bend studios was trying to make a sequel to days gone tells me you don't even do basic google searches. I've been trying to be kind and respectful but you keep making little jabs and I am done with your nonsense. You don't have to be a business major to know that Vita indy developers were furious that Sony did them in like that. I get you're a Sony fan boy but it doesn't change that they have been making some very bad moves. You have not and will not be changing my mind.
@Robocrop_Duster i literally showed you proof that bend local management rejected days gone two. And if you did own a ps5 you would know that out of the games you listed the majority are ps4 games and thus don’t even need to use the internal ssd not to mention they wouldn’t even fill the ssd. Surely you own an external having listed the lack of support to store ps5 games on them as a negative 😏
I assure you I own a ps5 and have since day one. My psn is MarcG420 look it up my trophies are public. Now what is your psn so I can see you do in fact have a ps5.
Like you my name is my PSN name.
@Robocrop_Duster you give your psn yet your information is all set to private 🤔
my bad. didn't realized i was set to private. try it now.
@Robocrop_Duster fair enough, now that we’ve established we’ve both at least played a ps5 let’s just agree to disagree and part ways.
I will say though it certainly doesn’t seem you actually play many games on it though lol
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