thefourfoldroot

A game I’ll never play then 🤷‍♂️

@nessisonett
Fair enough. Haven’t had a Nintendo console since the GameCube so probably missed out (I wouldn’t say AO is arcade though, I could barely even work out how to hit cleanly!)

@nessisonett
Sorry, I just meant why did all devs in the industry decide to go this route (with the notable exception of Everybody’s Tennis).

Gytkk ok aiming is such a great feature that has been under-utilised by third party devs due to a lack of sufficient tech in controllers from MS (and yes, I understand they are trying ensure ease of entry on multiple devices). This is great news.

Hopefully this will be the future. Like with Bungie, platform holders might buy up publishers/devs, but keep things multiplatform. From a Sony perspective, it might be the only way to stop Gamepass burying them in fact. Buy up a load of devs and block games being put on Gamepass day 1.

But natively? Or will they require streaming via a Gamepass subscription (allowing them to ratchet up the pressure on Sony to allow this on PlayStation, which would be their ultimate aim).

Why did they decide to overcomplicate tennis games so much. Bring back the days of Smash Court Tennis!

Overall this seems like an extremely underwhelming update. Mainly focuses on Friends and Parties features which I’ll never use (I’m nearing 40, all the gaming friends I had as a kid have stopped gaming due to work or family commitments, or died).
Never really been a social gamer anyway.
Pinning PS Plus is understandable and will be useful once a month I guess.

Free to play? No.

Fair enough, this is how it should be. Also, they can still put it on Gamepass and refuse to allow it on PS Now, so they still get to say it’s the best deal around.

It does, unfortunately, still leave Open the option for them to say “we’ll make it available on PS, but Only via Gamepass if they allow us to infiltrate their ecosystem”

Hopefully not.

@awp69
No, I do not. You just are being unclear about what you mean by “smooth over”. If you mean that it is no longer an inconsistent frame rate with all the negative gameplay repercussions that entails, then this is not correct. If you merely mean that you can’t see frame stuttering at the top ranges, and screen tearing is reduced, so playing with inconsistent framerate is a bit less of a terrible experience, then sure.

@awp69
It doesn’t improve frame rates. It can provide worked frames to view marginally quicker and can make frame stutter imperceptible. It doesn’t improve the speed at which the hardware can run the game. It’s a crutch for poor performance is all. Nothing wrong with crutches of course, having it is better than not to reduce the visual awareness of frame stutter, reduce tearing etc, but it doesn’t increase frame rate. The game feels snd responds the same with or without.

Don’t think I’ve ever bought a DLC as I’ve usually finished and gotten rid of a game by the time they come out and have moved on to something else. Might hang on to Lost Judgment to play the new files, but that would be an exception.

@awp69
I have that (last model of) LG TV. So I could use VRR. But I honestly don’t care. VRR doesn’t magically increase frame rates as you say, it just makes bad performance LOOK better/more consistent, it doesn’t actually allow the game to run faster at all. I really think you overestimate the value of the tech. It’s best use is perhaps in reducing screen tearing, which isn’t really an issue (yet) on PS5, and THE PERCEPTION OF stuttering in badly optimised games

I agree they need to fix the PS5 keep trying to instal both copies of a game., it’s incredibly annoying. All through my Lost Judgment playthrough I was having to constantly delete the PS4 version.

I doubt it’s as big an issue as you make out. The vast majority of people don’t even have a TV capable. I do, and I don’t even care. It’s really a sub group of a sub group that know and want it, a tiny fraction. I have other things i’d much rather Sony focus on.

I prefer stability updates. At least with those they have wasted almost zero effort into giving me zero extra functionality. I can then fool myself into thinking they are working on something useful for me.

PS HOME VR is the only shared environment I’d be interested in. Integrate Dreams so people can create new environments.

Industry is going to *****. Gamers today grew up with micro transactions being the norm and a focus on just hanging out with friends in whatever repetitive sandbox they were provided. They don’t see anything wrong with it. They’ll stay hooked in one game drip feeding money on loot boxes and pointless cosmetics instead of experiencing new virtual worlds and gameplay. So glad I started gaming when I did.

Kingdoms of Amular: are-Reckoning. Been meaning to get to it after being given it on PS+ yonks ago, but only now got around to it. Really enjoying it so far! Almost too many quests to do though.

Next gen is PSVR2 and Unreal 5. Everything that’s happening before either of those hasn’t really been significant.

@get2sammyb
Oh, fair enough, I presumed these were popular artists that I don’t hear about due to being old and disconnected from what’s current, lol.

I’m 39 this month. I know none of these artists.

Will probably look again when it’s down to £20 or less.

That’s perfectly good grammar in this context.

@PenguinL
Still does it with lost judgment.

@Matroska
Thanks but not too interested in this game. Just speaking generally.

@Ashpip
Sure, I think prices should be on all reviews when they come out (with a note of the date and a statement that it’s only a release price). If I was interested in this, but then saw the price, it would have saved me the search.

@Ashpip
It’s hard to take into account price in a review unless you then commit to changing the score as the price drops. I’d rather just get a view on how good the game is and, if relevant, decide to get it when the price drops to a certain level.

Ps home in PSVR2 I’d all I would be interested in. Even then, challenges and, ideally, trophy challenges would need to be added in variety and not just volume.

Well, obviously. They are paying for expertise more than the IPs. No good getting Bungie then everyone leaving. It’s likely everyone does this to some degree.

More than any other developer you can see they put great love and care into their game. If they don’t want people to sully the experience for themselves by cheating, then I respect that. It would be like a great chef creating a dish just for someone to smother it in ketchup they’ve smuggled in their bag; they may love ketchup, they may not be ruining anyone else’s meal, but a great chef will shove said customer out the door.

I feel like they could have gone more into the type of events you’d have, how you could tweak your car for each, what the licenses opened up, etc. Also, whether these new track snd cars would be paid or free dlc.

Still, it’s gran turismo! We know it’ll feel great, which is most important

This is what I think a live service game entails

1) gaming on another persons timescale with timed events and seasonal content

2) reset of progress in order to allow newcomers to keep up

3) the need to continually buy new content and have older content already paid for rotated out or become empty

4) No real ending or resolution to a story

5) inevitably repetitive gameplay that stretches on for years, taking up time that could be used on new gaming experiences.

No, this does not appeal to me in the slightest.

I’d prefer sequels.

But if they can reformulate the genre then go for it (but please add new trophies for new content).

They paid for growth. They paid for expertise in the service game space that can be shared with their other studios. And they are still getting multiplatform profits. I’m not going to pretend I am a financial genius, but I know Sony are experienced in these things and cautious with their money. It’s also clear these deals weren’t done in response to the Activision acquisition, it would have taken far more time to get everything negotiated and signed off

@Anke
Well, presuming its £40 a month (will be less in other zones and in sales), and removing the cost of the actual infrastructure, then removing the 100 million per AAA game that Sony funds (and that figure is only increasing)…I’m going to say no. Not if Sony want to be able to invest in games safely and other initiatives such as VR.

Now you might argue that Sony needs to be willing to make a short term loss for subscribers in the same way MS do, but MS would just outspend and so outlast them if they took that road.

Now your idea of charging so much per month/year for all Sony first party games might have merit, but it would mean Sony having to get a certain number of games out per year and, frankly, most casuals only care about FIFA, COD, GTA, and Fortnite. Those who would buy that service are likely those who’d buy Sonys games anyway.

@ChrisDeku
Yes, that is completely correct. I have no guilt about using used game sellers, private or commercial. If Sony would do the right thing and allow trade back on digital licences maybe they could get a part of that pie, but they don’t.

Also, you are right that I don’t like games as a service personally, and that I disagree with the business model that can often (but not always) result, which is often exploitative as well as damaging to gameplay.

@Luigia
Picked this up physically in CEX for £48, and will return if when finished for £32.
£16 final price is about right for me. Will take a long, long time to get down to that price digitally in sales.

Do they honestly think this is what PlayStation players want to hear? These people are seriously delusional. Save these types of messages for behind closed doors investor meetings.

@mikeym
Great. Thanks for that!

Sounds interesting but, unfortunately, there is something vital missing in this review for me; I must know about the level of rubber banding before I buy any racing game in a new franchise. Could you give us some idea about this? I really don’t like racers that limit racing to the last lap only (pit stops and tire changes notwithstanding).

@StylesT
“Nice try”? At what?
On the Xbox official website it says £7.99 a month for basic (so £95.88 for 12 months). That’s not even for Ultimate, which is even more.
Doesn’t give a yearly price, but on Amazon 6 months is £47.50, again, £95 for the year.

I’m aware MS offer deals on the first month, and people can get temporary workarounds if they know what they are doing, but I’m not talking about loopholes, just what most ordinary people pay.

For me it isn’t worth it as I don’t have the time to take advantage of a big selection. It wasn’t a criticism. It’s great value for people who do.

@Juanalf
“May” implies the future right?

@naruball
Because they make money, and Sony feel they are uniquely based to drive them forward to make even more money?
MS may soon be paying Sony to put Bungie games on Gamepass, or Sony may decide buying devs is the best way to block games on Gamepass…

No. Not interest in any of that b******s.

As long as they don’t buy up IPs and lock them away from other platforms (the MS game plan) then I’m good. MS will leave them with no access to third party games if they don’t make some strategic acquisitions.

@nessisonett
I want Sony to buy them simply because I have a PS5 and am concerned MS would buy them. I’m perfectly happy for all the games to remain multiplatform, unlike MS. Losing Sega, and so Yakuza…that would hit me far more than any other acquisition MS could make. FF too with SE

@Kriandis
It’s business. They get the Bungie profits and growth potential and feel that’s worth the money. It probably is, especially given everything is remaining multiplatform. They have talent and are seemingly looking to help Sony push into other media spaces and build out franchises that everyone can enjoy.
I’m no FPS fan, but I can only see this as a good thing AS LONG AS EVERYTHING REMAINS MULTIPLATFORM.

Presuming these games remain multiplatform this is the RIGHT way to do it. NOT locking multiplatform games away from players on other systems.
Doesn’t really impact me though as I’m not a big fan of these games. I played Destiny for 6 months before the first reset, and hated the floaty Halo series, so…

@Octane
Exactly. Not in the short term anyway. They want dominance. Because that brings power, which then brings money. And they have the money to buy that dominance. They have been operating this way since the beginning of their operating system business.

@get2sammyb
It is unsustainable unless you have money to burn for longer term gains.
And are you talking about that “optics” rubbish? Because not being willing to look at context is not a good argument. But Ok 🤷‍♂️