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@bbq_boy Same here. esp the box artwork and extras.
It also means we can slot in our PS4 disks (hopefully there'll be enough compatible ones)
I wonder, if we bought a physical version of a PS4 Game then buy the digital only PS5 what happens with games that Sony say can be transferred over for free?

@EquiinoxGII @Dodoo I've been saving up for the PS5 for two years now. I'm going for the whole kit and caboodle, camera, VR. Probably most of the launch games as they look damn fine. Oh and one of those new 49" 4k OLED TVs too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFDcoX7s6rE

I'll avoid the obvious rude joke. Visually it looks pretty impressive though

@thefirst You make some interesting points. I never got into the Walking Dead. And maybe I could have expressed my thoughts about ND base starting position differently. Sure, they wanted to deliver a good game that played differently and presented us with an alternate take with the accompanying emotions, themes, perspectives etc. But did they have to? No, they could have done all that with a different game completely. Overall I think there's a domino effect of failures in the game. Okay, you can't pick one scene, aspect, attribute of the game and use it to universally fault the game, that would be wrong and unfair.But taken as a whole, you can argue the game 'sucks'. It's not just a betrayal; rather it is because the first game is used as the instrument/baseline for all the themes and issues in the second game that it fails. It was a great idea, a very risky /delicate operation to pull of - and this is where ND failed.

@Cloud39472
Fair enough, best way really

@Cloud39472 Change.org are a bunch of freeloaders, a profit making company that will take on any petition that might rake in some cash.
The problem is that ND were more interested in being 'controversial' than delivering a game that's immersive and engaging in a satisfying and fulfilling way.
Sure the Journos and pro's loved it, "ohh Neil, your story, it' so brave, so controversial," Ego's are bufffed up on both sides,

@thefirst "everything about the game is excellent. Except the story."
Surely the story is core to everything: the emotional manipulation, forcing you to witness and carry out offensive, disturbing actions, shifting perspectives and POV just for effect, to get an emotional reaction, bizarre plot twists and inexplicable character decisions at the end.
It seems ND just wanted a game that broke all the rules and conventions and the "Professional" game journalists got off on it because they could feast on the deconstructionist elements.
I can understand the rift between Journo reviews and reviews of gamers who just loved the first game and simply wanted to enjoy a similar story with much loved characters. But no, Druckman et al wanted to show how clever and deviant and radical they were.
I've done anthropology, Narrative, film, media analysis, discourse theory, psychology. TLOU2 is the product of "lets see how many conventions we can rip up and shock people with" and have produced a Frankenstein's Monster of a game.

Aerial Kills, can't see what the fuss is about. The article title sounds like clickbait. Regardless of what side people take when it comes to the game, it seems the incessant hype has overtaken all rationality.

This Forbes article has no plot descriptions or spoilers, just a summary of some very intelligent views and impressions from various game journalists who completed the game.
They make some compelling arguments that are worth reading.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2020/06/15/two-warnings-about-the-last-of-us-part-2-review-scores/#5c30769d30a4

@LiamCroft Surely you mean 00:00 Friday in UK. Midnight Thursday.
Or as you put it 12.00am Friday 19th.

Wa Hey!
That'll save a lot of fafffing about

@roe So true!

Sometimes I wonder if hype moves from the rational into some kind of habitual behaviour fuelled by an enthusiastic echo chamber. overkill is putting it mildly. This is no comment on the game itself, something my interest in has differentially diminished as the hype grew.

Aside from BGE2 (whenever we're going to see that) Cyberpunk 2077 is the only game I'm looking forward to this year - as I like to immerse myself in a game as much as possible and CP2077 looks epic

Sorry guys, I couldn't care less about TLOU2. I played the first. it was good, not great. I found parts of it played some of the 'contemporary' issues and themes in the POV and storyline in a heavy handed way.
From what I've seen of the official trailers and gameplay, it seems there's even more of the 'Look how right on and risk taking we are' going on. I can't help thinking TLOU2 has been male-feminist righteously over-egged.
The guys should have stepped aside completely 100% and let a team of women writers work through the themes.

What, no Resistance, no Infamous? - it's an outrage!

Yes, but God no, the mining killed me.
Oh, and because Anthem

I went back a couple of months ago after losing interest when Cayde 6 was murdered. It's still fun in moderate doses.

@maruse Someone told me about Fashion Health a few days ago. Japanese culture never ceases to amaze me.
As for these game options, it might throw a spanner in the works for those male gamers who like to play as female characters. i wonder how many will (not have) the balls to take it to the next level?
Or will the guys just opt for a male character.
Decisions, decisions.
Oh, it's not clear. can we change our players gender throughout the game?

"Soapbox: Sony Needs to Share a PS5 Roadmap"
No, they don't.
A presentation or release date would do.

As a member of the professional pitchfork partnership I would like to formally express my objection to being stereotyped and thrown in with the unruly rabble protesters, trolls and imbeciles whose only physical medium of protest is a ticky-tacky keyboard and are so weak as to allow their ire to be raised by matters that have no bearing on their lives or future well-being.
The Pitchfork has, throughout the ages, saved many a peasant community from monstrosities far more deadly than a utterly mundane sampling of a tune.

@Areus Oh dear.

@Areus
I was riffing on Trump's whipping boy list.
Isn't Fox news basically Trump's PPE (preferred propaganda environment)?

It was either
a) the Chinese
b) Obama
c) Democrats
d) CNN

@ironmatto3
"Woke"? ND aren't woke, not by a million miles. It's money talking. As for use of the term. I can't understand how it is or has come to be used as, an insult except by the ignorant and those who believe their viewpoint is somehow 2020 'contemporary'. If anything, 'Woke' is a good thing. Found this on https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/woke/
Figurative woke—being socially and politically awake, or aware—starts in emerging in Black English at least by the 1940s. A 1943 article in The Atlantic quoted a black United Mine Workers official from 1940 playing with woke in a metaphor for social justice: “Waking up is a damn sight than going to sleep, but we’ll stay woke up longer.”

By the 1960s, woke could more generally mean “well-informed” in Black English, but it still strongly aligned with political awareness, especially in the context of the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950–60s and appearing in the phrase stay woke. The term was notable enough to prompt a 1962 New York Times article commenting on black slang, titled “If You’re Woke You Dig It.”

It is very funny.

@Gamer83 Having seen all the spoilers, the sexualised scenes should be the least of anyone's worries. Druckmann, in my opinion went too far and did it all wrong in trying to 'change everything you thought about the game'.
The story polarises rather than presenting the player with alternate views. it is this polarisation that is jarring to the player. Druckmann et al screwed up big time. You might have been able to get away with it as a TV series where the viewer is more of a passive observer. You can't just apply the same narrative POV twists in a game where you actually play as one or more characters. Itjust doesn't work

Further to my comments above, I had a look at all the spoiler videos. I can see why the guy said the game will change the way you saw/understood the original story. However, my opinion is that in the process of forcing a change of perspective, they expected far too much of a shift from the POV of the player. They overplayed their hand when it came to using plot points to force a shift in our views.
I looked into the woman writer and see she worked on Westworld, so I can see where the thinking for the changes in the story form came from (No there are no androids)
You see a lot of these kind of narrative tricks nowadays - they are difficult to pull off and yet still keep the reader/viewer/player engaged. It seems Naughty Dog failed in this regard.
Oh and speaking of the really important issue of shifting the players point of view, the Lesbian thing should be far less of a concern to any objectors - Unless they are looking for more grist to the mill
A pity

After completing the first game and finding it somewhat unfulfilling I wasn't really interested in any follow up.
Sure TLOU was different, 'adult' in its characters, themes and narrative. The main problem was that it wasn't as much of a game.
as it was a 'TLOU experience'.

@Shigurui
Okay, thanks for that.
Yet still they screwed up.

@Rob_230 @get2sammyb
Who would have guessed that guys writing a game with a lesbian love interest were going to screw it up?

@playstation1995 Resistance: Fall of Man was a real blast. I played Resistance 2, 8 player co-op for hours on end. The classes, weapons, gameplay were all top class.
Spider-man was a great game but the story lagged towards the end and the only thing that carried it was swinging around the city.

A bit off-topic but after getting bored with D2, I'm editing and playing BBC movie mixtape - The MCU one. Brilliant tracks, Ramones, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, etc

I played it for the first time a few weeks back. My sim guy refused to respond, He wouldn't move, cook go to work/bed/wash - nothing. he'd just collapse unconscious in his own excrement.
As this was all new to me I thought he'd got some kind of early onset dementia.

@clvr Depends on how hungover and hungry you are.

Yay. With so many delays and cancellations it's good to know we can look froward to at least one thing.

@clvr cold pizza with a cuppa, for breakfast, of course

The main takeaway for me was Pudding.

@AhmadSumadi Great. many thanks for this.

Guidance please. Do I need to uninstall my Disc based Uncharted 4 content before downloading and installing the free PS+ version of the game?
I don't want to run the risk of having two versions of the game clogging up my drive or causing conflicts.
I'm presuming my saved will remain as they are separate files.

Brilliant. very funny.

This is a disappointment. It's not as if we have any other new choices. I only hope the games due out later this year stick to schedule.

@taylorsparks294 I'm just having fun - but it's true on a quantum level

@dec271828 Grab a torch, turn the lights out, shine the beam along the wall and down over a counter, you'll see what I mean.

And another thing? What is it with Quantum this and Quantum that. Do they have to put quantum in the name just to reassure us it's really totally new, and the very latest?
TBH I'm not convinced by the video. It all smacks of the Killzone 2 debacle from back in the day

@Uoman
Thanks for this.

How is this a PS5 game when they can't even get the light to distort over surfaces? I expected the circle to stretch when it shone down the wall and to curve when it went from the wall to the floor or counter.

@Uoman Similar to my impressions. Not being a programmer or developer - I see it in terms of power over performance.
The new Xbox is more powerful, that much I understand but PS5 seems to be built around optimal performance first - by rethinking the mechanics of game design and cutting out time wasting functions rather than thinking about how to make slow, and perhaps (now outdated and cumbersome) processes, go faster.
Is it the case that MS have innovated powerful performance to enhance gaming experience while Sony have rethought the design of, and relationship between, game development and machine code and created a software and hardware that works more efficiently?

@JJ2 Oh, er, yes, so was I.. of course.

@JJ2 what's so bad about slow Sex?