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@Talon_Zanarkand Somehow I only read your last paragraph. I was simply pointing out that the first party games so far aren't just resolution bumps. They incorporate all the ps5 features. But true next Gen experiences won't come until mid cycle. I think we're essentially saying the same thing. Horizon and GoW were never announced as PS5 exclusives.

@Talon_Zanarkand you don't know that to be true. Insomniac, for example, has completely different technologies and strategies at work for how hair is rendered for ps4 and ps5 versions of Miles Morales. It's not simply higher res. Game engines have to be completely reworked to take advantage of the new hardware. These games you all are complaining about started development a while ago.

@Tharsman Because it is Rdna 2. Look on AMDs website... Or any of the other various sources

@Richnj and I didn't need a psychology lesson on trophies. Congratulations, you got a trophy for smashing pots in a video game. Seems for weak minded people. Insomniac is going to put out an amazing game and your complaining about trophies.

@Richnj yeah I'll never get you if you take pride in the amount of trophies you have

@Richnj and like I said. Who cares about trophies? If you need a trophy to pop just to be encouraged to play a game again, then don't play it again.

@Richnj I was speaking of after ratchet. And no way is GoW coming this year. Jason Schreier already said it's been delayed internally and will be announced publicly when they have something to show. I think HFW will be out holiday 2021 based on every single game getting delayed

@Richnj I disagree. They want you to stay engaged with the game so won't sell it on the secondary market. Or they want to make a game so great you won't want to sell it. Considering their next 70$ game is presumably Horizon Forbidden West which is likely 6 months away, I highly doubt that is the case

@pip_muzz Exactly. It is ridiculous to take pride in your ps trophies

@trev666 Who cares? Don't you play the game for the graphics, game play and story? I just don't get people caring about arbitrary trophies. Especially those people that call themselves trophy hunters. Playing a game simply because you can automatically get 3 platinum by importing your save cross Gen isn't impressive and I couldn't care less how many platinum trophies some one has. It breaks immersion. Like I'm going to jump off this cliff and die because there is a trophy for it.

Just because it wasn't given the green light now, doesn't mean it will never be. Considering how Sony ended the ps4 cycle, we're years away from titles from their big studios, unless they have been expanded into multiple teams. So it makes sense to want a quicker development time for their smaller studios.

Looks kinda boring tbh. Not much variety in the graphics/gameplay shown here at all

@thefourfoldroot because they aren't curating their content for just you. Eventually most ps4 games will have been on psnow at some point in time. So you're saying all those games are off limits because you have both services? And Days Gone is no longer on psnow so they arent selling it to you twice. You think Xbox Gold only gets games that were never on game pass?

@thefourfoldroot what are YOU on about? Days Gone is no longer on psnow. It is a rotating slate of games compared with having the game as long as you want. Just reupped my plus to 2023 for 27 dollars. It's already paid for itself.

@Porco does xbox gold ever give away games that are on game pass?

@thefourfoldroot if you have a ps5 you get odd world... If you have a ps4, you get days gone. What's the big deal? It's not double selling

@Steve30000 lol, OK, but it's not. It was announced as a ps5 only feature and that's what it is

@nessisonett ps plus collection is only available to ps5 owners

@ATaco because only a tiny fraction of people have the system so it isn't going to sell well. Plus it takes additional time to incorporate all the ps5 features into the ps4 game.

@ATaco Dude it doesn't matter. Sony's model has always been to reduce the price after its been out for a while. Would you rather that game start at 70 and come down in price over time, or be like Nintendo, where Mario Kart 8 is still 59.99

@Amppari I doubt that. Once more people have ps5s the prices will go down quicker, but at this time, ps5 games are holding their price. Ignoring the awful Destruction All Stars

It's funny, people all up in arms about crunch and nonpaid overtime but are upset at a 10 dollar price increase on exclusives. You can't have both. If the game designers ever unionize, all games will be 70 dollars

@thefourfoldroot yes, this. Only about 4-5 million ps5s out there last I checked... Which was a few weeks ago.

@MaccaMUFC Microsofts track record isn't exactly great when it comes to this. Sony seems to allow the studios the time and freedom to do what they want. Microsoft bough Rare in 2002 and what do they have to show for it.

I have no problem supporting Insomniac. Game prices have been stagnant for a long time. And considering all the free support they gave spiderman, I respect the hell out of them. Now if it's a 10 hour game, I'll have to reassess my thinking.

@RBMango I'm pretty sure it's like Bugsnax was. You have 2 months to claim it, then it won't be free anymore. But as long as you claim it to your library, it's free

Not sure when people will finally learn to not preorder anything. There's almost no advantage to it.

How about getting rid of your intrusive pop-up ads?

@nessisonett It's also important to realize that most of these games were not designed specifically for these next Gen systems. Those third party games will come and be amazing no doubt on both systems.

@AFCC I think it was said to be holiday 2020. So not a launch title but close

@2cents I wonder how many teams they have at this point. Didn't they also make some VR games for Oculus?

@Octane Lol, Yeah, that was literally a stream of thought. By the time I got to the end I was like, shoot, I think I'm thinking of Remedy's deal. But I was too lazy to look it up.

@Octane I think you're wrong on this. I believe Insomniac bought the rights to sunset overdrive before the Sony acquisition. If I'm right, Sony could absolutely release Sunset Overdrive on Ps5. Unless I'm confusing this with Remedy buying the rights to Alan Wake.

@grahamd yeah, and GTA V. How many people paid full price for that game twice? Millions I would presume since it didn't go on any kind of sale for the longest time. I'll be curious to see what the price is for the spiderman 'upgrade'

@Orpheus79V I'm not referring to games coming out this fall that are built for cross gen. We're talking about a game that was built specifically for ps4 that is over 2 years old

@grahamd why is this so confusing to people? These "free upgrades" are just resolution patches. The spider-man remaster will incorporate the instant loading, 3d audio, haptic feedback and probably Ray tracing. I'm sure we will learn more closer to what is probably a December release. Having said that, I don't think I need to play Spider-man again having played through it twice already.

@Shinobi1Kenobi Get over yourself man. $400 is not a lot of money to me. And with my internet connection, it doesn't take longer than 10 minutes to be able to start playing most games. I'm not getting it to one up my piers lol. I am excited about 3d.audio and no load times and the inevitable graphics increase and I like Sony games. What difference does it make to you?

@Shinobi1Kenobi I'm in the US where new releases always cost $59.99, now they appear to be $69.99. Having said that, I only really buy Sony first party games at release. The rest I buy on their regular sales. You are clearly upset about this so buy an Xbox and get games pass.

@koffing I would seriously doubt they are part of the same game. More like if you order the ultimate edition, you get a code for the remastered

@Shinobi1Kenobi I only saw games listed as 10 dollars higher. Is 10 bucks extra really a make or break price point for you? If you've been paying attention with Sony doubling down on big blockbuster games, you had to expect a price increase. AAA 3rd party games will do the same. It's been a long time coming.

@God_of_Nowt I feel like some people take a weird pride in how many games they have and like to show it off. There is no need to have 30 games on your system at any one time.

My question is, if I play my Spider-man game or any of my ps4 games for that matter, will I at least get the ps4 pro upgrade? Because I would be satisfied with that having not played any of my games in 4k on my new 4k tv. Anyone know the answer here?

@Dubbicakes lol. Whatever man. You make such valid points

@Dubbicakes that may be true as it's a brand new studio, but I just wouldn't call them lazy. As with most studios, the first game can be a bit of a crap shoot. But if it does play good, I'll get it because I didn't play the original.

@Dubbicakes well I wouldn't say fortnites graphics looks great or all those crap mobile games you're talking about that 10s of millions of people play look anything less than garbage.

@Dubbicakes but yeah, if it plays great who cares about the visual style. It actually reminds me of the civ vi art direction

@Dubbicakes The camera, controls, combat, animations, and dialogue were all redone. And it was rebuilt in the Anvil engine which apparently didn't accommodate the linear nature and time bending very well.

@Dubbicakes Actually, nevermind, it was a stylistic choice. They had at peak 170 people working on it and it's been in development for 2-1/2 years. This according to the head of development. He said they didn't want it to look like other Ubisoft game. So, you may not like it but you can't say rebuilding the game from the ground up is lazy You can read more on wccftech

@Dubbicakes what are you talking about. The bare minimum would've been to just upscale it to 1080p. You have to build sets for mocap, it's not just getting your face scanned. If anything, they probably didn't have a huge budget or reasonable deadline to make it AAA

@Steel76 I agree. Maybe the cartoony art style is turning people off but the environments look fine and as long as the game play is fun, 40 bucks isn't a bad price. Having not played the original, I'm looking forward to this.