One of the nastier sides to the upcoming next-gen console launches has been the spike of concern trolling that’s occurred on Twitter and other social media accounts. There’s been far too much of this happening to recap, but perhaps the most obvious example was the recurring sentiment that the PlayStation 5 would only support backwards compatibility with 100 PlayStation 4 games – a statement that was clarified numerous times before only recently being put to bed.
Ubisoft published an update on the performance of its next-gen games this week, which made for an interesting albeit repetitive report. In it, the company confirmed that upcoming titles like Assassin’s Creed Valhalla, Immortals Fenyx Rising, and Riders Republic will run at 60 frames-per-second in 4K on Sony’s next-gen console. Except, there was some debate about the publisher’s wording.
You see, the French firm said that its PS5 games would run at “4K and 60 frames-per-second” while it used the phrasing “4K at 60 frames-per-second” when referring to the Xbox Series X. This prompted wild social media speculation that the games would offer options on Sony’s system – 4K or 60 frames-per-second, effectively – as opposed to doing both at the same time. One post from an Xbox fan account ended up being retweeted thousands of times:
Embarrassingly, Ubisoft has now edited its blog post, replacing the original wording with the phrase “4K at 60 frames-per-second” for the PS5 as well. So, with that all cleared up, we’re curious what the next nonsense story that explodes on social media will be. Suggestions on a postcard would be gratefully received at Push Square Towers.
[source news.ubisoft.com, via resetera.com]
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Embarrassing.
What's next? I ask, what's next?
@AdamNovice Sadly, I see some of this nonsense on the PlayStation side, too. Honestly I think I preferred when fanboys just came out and owned it; these subtle false narratives are just incredibly irksome!
It was a strange error. You’d think they’d have just used the same wording or just said that it runs at 4K and 60FPS on both Xbox and PS5. When people have been scrambling for crumbs until recently, you’re bound to dig up some inaccuracies.
@AdamNovice Decrying fanboy nonsense while calling people Xbots is awfully pointless. This is seen on both sides so it needs to be called out by both sides.
@AdamNovice Wait till you see PlayStation Fanboys on Twitter.
What a mistake. What a mistake.
"we’re curious what the next nonsense story that explodes on social media will be." 😆
4Kat30but60at1080Por1440Pat45 will be the next nonsense and perfect wording.
@nessisonett I think they just changed up the phrasing because the text was already pretty repetitive, so they just wanted it to sound a bit fresher and different.
It was obvious what they meant. ALAS.
@nessisonett There are bad eggs on both sides but xbox fans tend to be a lot worse, they just come across as sad and desperate
@AdamNovice Xbox fans aren’t worse. Playstation fans aren’t worse. Nobody’s worse, that mentality just fuels the fire. It’s not a console war, it’s a bunch of overgrown children justifying their premium purchase the only way they know how - slinging mud. I see enough of this garbage in my city with football and religion, never mind bloody video games.
@nessisonett Just saying from my experience mate.
These news make Xbox fans act worse, honestly
Power is not everthing ... so stop talk sh*t and enjoy the game
@nessisonett From everything I see around the various parts of the internet, I've settled with the Nintendo fanboys being the worst, followed by Sony and then Microsoft in third.
@get2sammyb Personally I think it’s a symptom of the news situation throughout this year from both Sony and MS. Details were thin so sources, reputable and otherwise, had to resort to combing through the smallest of details to find a story. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes stuff like this happens.
I think both fanboys are bad but the one on the top always got attacked the most due to hatred , it's just simple logic. PS fan always got attacked by angry Xbox fans loosing their favorable console on the market, and Xbox fan even has more time to troll rather playing games (due to probably they have lesser games in both quantity and quality).
I don't see the issue. The combination of alternative wording and the fact that the PS5 is less powerful led to justifiable confusion about how the game would perform on the system.
What did I told you guys? I said read carefully the full initial statements from Ubisoft and yet people here were criticising me here like I'm an Xbot or something. Lmao
Hahaha
Call it in the original post. Idiots making a fuss about 'at' to use in their keyboard warrior 'fight.
It's hilarious.
Gamers man....... seriously.... this and the CDPR de sdth threats are just embarrassing.
I am really starting to despair with the world...it seems as though every little detail is scrutinized and then criticized..with the advent of online forums,social media,anti-social media in fact just about any kind of media where the general massess can shout,bully and even threaten peoples lives because something just dosn't fit into their world view is frankley disturbing to say the least.i am against racism and hate crime but i have to admit i am getting a little bit upset with all the black lives matter content all over the tv and tinternet..so ubisoft dropped a bit of a clanger in its description of how or not the game performs..is it really that life changing in the way it could potentially cause depression and possibly lead to mass suicides..what if it caused the breakdown of society.there is a much greater threat today people and this pales in significance so come on gents,ladies and those that aint sure what they are and get a grip and enjoy the great games that are on the way..(edited this in case the sarcasm was missed)..
Fanboys are just desperate to have an edge over the other console in any way possible. The sad part is that both Series X and PS5 look to be absolutely phenomenal games consoles and both will have their own great games amongst the vast majority that they share
@get2sammyb yes the narratives seem too calculated and dare I say intentional?
Feels like MS’s marketing strategy (read: paid shills) is in full effect reading Twitter comments.
@AdamNovice from my relatively neutral perspective. (I play on all and am old enough to have seen platforms like Amiga, Atari and Sega come and go)
All platforms have their blind fanboys, some on each are more toxic than others. Sadly it appears to be a small but very vocal minority that makes me embarrassed to call myself a ‘gamer’.
Personally I think PlayStation with a larger market has more of them and these tools have been merciless this past gen at turning the screw on Microsoft’s early failures which has put the Xbox fanboys on the defensive and are now countering viciously with their relative successes.
It’s getting worse. Let’s not assist that.
But let’s be clear it’s not just fanboys that encourage this but the whole industry that seems set up as a console war. Even the more fun memes and videos from Sony and Microsoft like ‘this is how you share games on PS4’ or factual videos like Digital Foundry frame rate tests are set at dividing. Personally while it’s easy to laugh at the time and friendly competition can be fun, it’s far too easy for this to get out of hand. It only takes one or two to push it too far and the fire always escalates.
As such I hate all this, games are about enjoyment and coming together not trying to divide us into yet another imaginary group.
I’ve rambled but wanted to say If you go around calling ‘Xbots’ then you are part of the problem.
Be better.
@themightyant i share your perspective and i admire your positive outlook..i remain the cynic amongst us..
@nessisonett Trump on console wars: "There are bad people on both sides"
@themightyant Fortunately Nintendo and Sony have both completely stopped the "console wars as a marketing method", though. For both companies the last time they did something like that was over 7 years ago.
@AdamNovice
I wouldnt say 'xbots' but I agree that there are a lot of Ms fanatics who are even creepier than you think. They spend their lives wasting their time shilling and trying to find any angle to downplay the PS5 on twitter. It's really creepy.
The difference I see a lot of PlayStation shill but mainly just having fun. Those Ms fanatics are truly pathetic.
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There is definitely a darker, creepier side of the console war.
These idiot fanboys remind me depressingly of politicians, especially when In opposition. Trying to put a negative spin on everything while desperately trying to not outright lie in a way that exposes them.
@JJ2 you say that yet I see many PS fanboys who are just as weirdly, unhealthily ‘passionate’.
@themightyant
Oh yes it's all ridiculous.
There is no denying that MrXmedia type of accounts are creepy though. There are many like him now.
@Kidfried have Sony really stopped ‘the console wars as a marketing method’ ... ‘the last time they did that was over 7 years’
... Really?
What about Spider-Man exclusive to avengers, what about Sony paying for loads of third party exclusives, it’s all part of the same thing, creating division, our console is better than yours. It may not be quite as on the nose but the undercurrent is always there.
Nintendo has their own issues but yes they have neatly sidestepped out of the console war. I’m hoping with MS going a different route with Game Pass plus xcloud there will be enough differences for them to do the same.
I’m a fan of playing games and gaming, not pushing someone else down to feel better about my choices.
@themightyant Engaging in competition is different from fueling console wars through your marketing.
Microsoft has been dumping on Sony's cross play troubles (many many times), talking about how you wouldn't need PS1 classic if you had an Xbox One, mocking the PlayStation stand, pee order situation, etc.
If your engaging with your gamers in that way, you're legitimizing console wars as a company.
@nessisonett wasn't an error. The wording was very similar to both Sony's and Microsoft's individual marketing terms. So I think they were just following each companies PR guidelines for their respective platforms. Speaking of which Sony used to use a lower case "K" in some of their Tweets / posts and people even jumped at that saying "4k was not the same as 4K" I kid you not.
@Kidfried but what is “shiny sticker on this box saying exclusive character” and advertising it heavily if not marketing? What about paid Exclusives? All marketing.
Their approaches may be different but make no mistake both companies actively encourage division to promote their brand
The key issue here is that if there was actually any difference in performance between games on the two systems (which there isn't in reality), I would expect a large corporate like Ubisoft to only reveal that distinction in a weasel-worded way like the difference between "and 60fps" Vs "at 60fps" rather than being up front about it, so I can understand how people have been able to wilfully misunderstand here.
“Ubisoft Had to Rewrite PS5 Descriptions Due to Concern Trolls on Twitter” -> “Ubisoft Fixes Confusing Tweet on PS5 Game Performance”
I get the internet is terrible, but it probably wasn’t just malicious actors who got Ubi to fix their tweet. Like that’s the whole point of company comms: to clearly explain the company’s story and to sell product. Not confuse would-be buyers. Correlation is not causation.
@nessisonett Excellent response!
@nessisonett @get2sammyb I deleted my original post cos I wasn't in the best of moods last night so was taking my frustration out in the comments. I realize my comment wasn't exactly helping the issue.
Shame though, I got 18 likes lol
@AdamNovice Haha, it's all good man! Have a better day!
Microsoft and Ubisoft have a current marketing deal with their latest games so it wouldn't surprise me if this was done on purpose.
There's a lot of flaming at the moment because no one really knows what the score will be, and the wait is nearly over. That will die down when people start actually playing their chosen system I imagine, and probably get replaced by endless side-by-side videos and screenies trying to prove one system plays a game better than the other - while most regular people will squint and try to see if there's any difference!
@Northern_munkey The internet depends on the idea of "coexistence" between different groups with different world views all being in the same room at the same time.
I'm wondering just how little history, sociology, or simply lack of any form of human contact of any sort whatsoever, the creators of the internet ever actually experienced to actually believe even momentarily that was a workable idea?
People were better off in their own "communities" with their own world views even when those world views are "wrong" than trying to put everyone into one big pot and hope it doesn't boil over. It's humanity's natural state. And homogenization of a culture tends to lead to famine....
@Menchi Nintendo the worst? Nah. Smash and Pokemon fans are the worst, by far, but I don't think I'd broaden that to the whole Nintendo console fanbase. If you just close your eyes when passing through PokeSmash segments of the base, it's a much more tame community at large than the PS one. There's some obsessives, but the Nintendo crowd tends to be one that's into its own thing and just doesn't "get" the other consoles/games, more than not. The PS base, particularly over the PS4 generation, has become grotesquely combative and defensive all at once. I'm actually happy to see the PS world chilling out a bit with the PS5 launch. It's a lot less dire now than during the bulk of the PS4's run.
XB's fan base was the toxic one in the prior gen though. I think mostly the toxic masses of the 360 migrated to the PS4 and then took over the vocal part of the fan base. The X1 fan base has been completely chill. Just like the PS3 fan base was (except when FFXIII was announced for 360. I've never heard so much screeching before or since.....) So the most toxic and the most die-hard "I BLEED BLUE!" brand loyalists are actually the fickle crowd that previously bled green and really just aligns behind whatever brand "everybody else says is the best" as though all other brands shouldn't exist.
The real blight on the internet is those PC Master Race scum, if you ask me!
@NEStalgia What you did there, I see it
Personally I see Nintendo fanboys as the worst, followed closely by Soulsborne and then Nier Automata. Playstation probably comes in 5th, behind Xbox in 4th. Mainly because the Playstation camp only have "MUH SSD THO!" and "exclusives!1!!eleventyone1!!" to use as points, but the Microsoft guys use every type of tech there is (incorrectly) to damage control their lack of games and worrying trend with the upcoming consoles.
Remember, it's only the irrational fanboys, not the general fans/fanbase.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have some more RGB to install on my RGB. 8D
@Menchi Haha. IDK. If you said PokeSmash I'd be with you. I'm just not seeing that toxicity among the console fanboys (and more importantly see fanboys representing a smaller portion of the player base) with Nintendo otherwise.
Soulsborne.....I don't understand the rampancy and obsessiveness of the fanbase because I just don't get the appeal of what they seem to love. But they haven't seemed terribly toxic to me...just incredibly obsessed with something I can't fathom what there is to be obsessed about. I mostly just find it annoying, especially among PS players that everything always boils down to "The only games that matter are Soulsborne, it's the only need for a console, best games ever, 12/10!!!1" - not toxic really, just confusing and frustrating
And you didn't mention the 1000 ton gorilla: Undertale.
I think you're going by PS5vsXSeries current battles though when comparing the PS vs XB fanboys. You have to look more holistically across the generations. I mean we're at 7 built up years of PS toxicity while XBox toxicity vanished 7 years ago, and only started building up again with the Series vs. PS5 skirmish.
You just don't like Nintendo fans because they insist you're a troll.
@nessisonett It's also important to realize that most of these games were not designed specifically for these next Gen systems. Those third party games will come and be amazing no doubt on both systems.
@NEStalgia I will never forget the day I was discussing the (at the time) upcoming 200cc mode being added to Mario Kart 8 on WiiU on the dedicated Nintendo section of a multiplatform site. While everyone was pondering how hard it could make the game, tracks, turns, etc a bunch of Souls fanboys hijacked the thread out of nowhere with "this isn't hard, Dark Souls is hard" shenanigans.
As for the rest, Xbox had the "win" of the 360 era and then 7 years of damage control for Xbox One era and now upcoming next gen.
Sony, taking the hard L for all of PS3 then the cockiness of winning (and getting no advancement from Sony because of it) during the PS4. "We don't need better features or innovation, we've sold more units!!"
Undertale I barely noticed, other than the 1st few months when it released. People were insufferable about it but it went away from what I saw.
RE: Nintendo being the worst, I've always maintained the Switch is the Wii 2.0 (with the inferior console missing half the games) the Soy Cons being wiimote 2.0 and since it's the Wii era all over again (casual market doing numbers) but now all those casuals have twitter accounts and youtube channels.
@NEStalgia “The internet depends on the idea of "coexistence" between different groups with different world views all being in the same room at the same time.
I'm wondering just how little history, sociology, or simply lack of any form of human contact of any sort whatsoever, the creators of the internet ever actually experienced to actually believe even momentarily that was a workable idea?”
Well Tim Berners-Lee the creator of the internet worked at CERN (the European Council for Nuclear Research) and wanted to share scientific information between other science communities, universities etc. for the betterment of science and mankind.
CERN isn’t just an isolated lab but a community of over 10,000 scientists so they had plenty of human contact, and in this premise and in the sensible hands of scientists (yes there are bad eggs too) the internet was a success.
It was sharing it with the lumpen masses that was doomed from the start.
With great power comes great responsibility
@Menchi Oof, Soulsborne chest beating in a Mario Kart thread? Ok, now that's toxic.....
Unpopular opinion: FromSoft games aren't hard, they're cheap, for all the reasons NES-era "Nintendo Hard" games weren't hard, they were cheap. "It's hard but fair" my rear, it's designed to make you repeat things over and over, hiding a lack of gameplay depth with 2hko enemies. I can see where there's a market of retro gamers for that same kind of "Haha, I did it against all odds!" accomplishment of old but with pretty modern graphics in an admittedly beautifully crafted world, but any time I bother playing the games, I come away with that same 80's gaming feeling that I don't win by playing the systems better, I win by finding ways to cheeze around the systems. I can see why it may appeal to certain gamers, but the hype and fanfare for it, especially with DS remaster as a console launch game elude me for sure. Still, that's the first instance of true toxicness from the fanbase I've hard of. Maybe I'm lucky!
Haha, 360 was insufferable with the fan base. I didn't want a 360. The only reason I bought one was because I had PS3 and found out how terribly virtually everything not-Sony ran on it. I ended up liking 360 despite the fan base though.
There was no defending X1 at first. I hated monopoly-Sony at the time, but it was justified. IDK, XB has been very chill in terms of community from the time the 1S and 1X came out. I've been dreading Series, because I know it will be popular and the community will be less cheery....I see it already happening before the masses get there. Maybe PS5 will be the chill community this time. Or they'll both be equally toxic?
Nintendo....naa, Wii 2.0 it isn't. Wii's market was everyone BUT gamers. Switch seems a lot more gamer friendly overall. I think of it more as Vita 2.0. The one that wasn't abandoned by its mother at the nursery, and was born with all its buttons. Switch isn't casual. Think Dark Souls is hard? Try pleasing that freaking tanuki.....
@themightyant Hah, yes. Well, minor technicality, the Internet was created by DARPA for US military purposes during WWII (or Al Gore, depending on who you believe.) Tim created the WWW for CERN. But yeah, I should have been more specific with "the commercial internet" or "Web 2.0" or whatever nonsense term that came about when the AOL message boards joined the rest of the internet Yeah, the internet was a lovely place when it was mostly just geeks exchanging informational messages.
If it were up to me I'd implode the "web" and go back to gopher and the BBS's.
@NickTheGeek dude! You sure you're allowed to make this much sense on a gaming fansite? 😂
Seriously though, one of the few sensible comments I've read.
In fact almost nobody upvoted it, as it's easier to sling mud on the other faction instead of questioning oneself 😂
@Menchi I agree with @NEStalgia, Switch ain't nearly as casual as the Wii was.
The demographics are more skewed towards 20-30 y.o., and thw lineup is certainly less casual-oriented.
I'd say the Switch succeeded in appealing to both casual and more knowledgeable players, making it recognizable To pretty much everyone, while being taken way more seriously than the Wii.
@Ralizah question, which graphics card is more powerful RTX 3080 or rx 6800XT??
@2cents Seems like it largely matches or slightly exceeds performance of the 3080 in most games. Of course, some games are optimized to work better with Nvidia vs AMD cards, so it's going to depend.
One thing I'll say is this: there was a LOT of drama concerning driver issues with AMD's last big generation of cards, so it's probably worth waiting to hear how this new gen performs once it's released to the public. Might be worth spending slightly more if Nvidia's cards end up being more reliable again.
I mean, the two phrases are literally identical in meaning. Anyone who thought otherwise clearly does not understand English very well.
@NEStalgia spot on to correct on internet which was created as TCP/IP for DARPANET v WWW and HTTP by Sir Tim which gave birth to the modern internet as we know it.
In fact the military history is far more in line with your original premise that the internet is toxic.
Regardless I remember with fondness the small community of avid gamers sharing info on a few Geocities and then Gamefaqs and other places on games like final fantasy 6, 7 etc. The internet was a much purer place then.
Maybe it’s just reminiscing with rose tinted glasses but I don’t remember ANY ill will or bad actors in those days, just a passionate group of likeminded fans sharing information for our mutual benefit. Hurumph.
So now we have "concern trolls", too.
There truly is such a thing as free time intoxication, after all.
Well, they also ranked the RTX2080 Super lower than RTX2080 in the PC System requirements of AC - Valhalla... so it seems Ubisoft has to do some quality checks in their marketing dept.
@Menchi Are we really trying to quantify who does more? That's just as fanboyish as the fanboys themselves. Fanboys in general are insufferable regardless of what console they game on. There is really no "who is worse." Never helps to be bias.
*Obligatory ***** social media comment, for the cesspool of hate and toxicity it has become.
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