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Apologists be strong round here fam.

If a game is set up not to respect a gamers time. Actively seeks to milk its players and changes stuff AFTER reviews….

Firstly it knows what’s it’s doing and it’s not made a “mistake” it knew it was grubby so didn’t want it reviewed.

Secondly it isn’t defendable - if you like to grind and farm and MTX. Nice for you. But in a game like this the grind shouldn’t feel like a grind.

Thirdly - this nonsense about reflecting rarity and all that. This is a game. Real life rarity of these cars are for practical reason. Age of car or cost to make car. Digital versions aren’t restricted the same way. It’s escapism.

This was always a car collecting game.

It’s another case of arrogant devs not understanding why people like their games and putting low hanging MTX first.

The low scores are justified. They sabotaged their own game AFTER initial reviews intentionally

@get2sammyb I’ve had an email saying I’ve got the plat from this - I haven’t. I’ve seen a few others reporting the same. 😂 might be worth a look. I did it in ten hours apparently haha. My PSN name. Official email from Sony. If you wanna do a article on it I’ll happy forward email.

The campaign is good. An enjoyable romp. I plan on playing the extra missions they’ve added. If you ignore all the other gunk and just play it like a single player campaign game it’s actually pretty good and well worth the tenner you can now get it for.

Shame most people won’t listen to that .

Also I can still play my copy of Gran Turismo. All these years later and enjoy it….. which is really nice.

When this game turns off the servers it’s gone forever

I had a bad feeling before this game came and the false scarcity of the special edition meant I did purchase day one. I’ve owned every other GT game day one.

A few of the statement in the lead up had me worried. I couldn’t put my finger on it.

I just knew something was off. I was proved right.

They have forgotten/not realised why people loved this game series. His statements contradict themselves. We don’t want people to grind the same races to have to buy cars so we’ve made cars more expensive and payouts less. Surely that does the opposite?

Like so many companies in gaming in the last few years they’ve lost their way and become greedy money over everything else.

I won’t have people defend this. It’s greed simple.

The new fifa you can only play at the level you can in real life “to reflect to skill and hard work you need to be a professional footballer” - it’s absurd his comment. You put it to any other game and you realise.

People would still say

“I love that I sit on the bench for the Dog and Duck and can’t get a game - it’s brilliant - I don’t use the MTX to play in premier league - I run up and down the touch line and wait - I understand those with a family and extra money want to pay to play in premier league though. I’ll get there one day. I’m hundred hours in and I’m almost RB for dog and duck. If you dont want to play the game it’s meant to be played don’t. I love how they’ve done it. This game was never about playing in premier league.”

The above is as ridiculous as people claiming Turismo was never about being able to buy cars.

@IronMike click on the free version multiplayer… then click on the button that shows different versions and select the ps5 solo campaign and should the show it. That’s how it worked for me

Forza does throw cars at you but it’s an arcade game. Can we stop pretending it’s one or another. Don’t excuse micro transactions and don’t play down what others want. You can always grind and not buy cars if you like.

@awp69 Gran Turismo was built on the massive garage. That start what games like Horizon has become. Before Turismo games didn’t have hundreds of cars they had tens of cars and you might own 6/7 to complete it.

Turismo was unapologetically a car collectors dream. It is why it existed. A love letter to all cars and to give people the chance to own and drive more cars than they can wish for. To pretend it’s something else is ridiculous

@PhhhCough yeah. There will be bus and trains for the lowest paid in society.

It’s escapism. The whole point of a simulator is to allow people to experience things they can’t others wise the attraction is being able to drive a Nissan Micra…. It’s the high end real life rare beasts.

The ego has well and truly up ended the game here.

@get2sammyb it’s more than that. It’s a flagship console seller. Gran Turismo. There are songs about it. It’s in culture. For the multiple missteps it hurts the whole PS brand. I’ve defended Sony for the longest time but there are multiple issues here to which we cannot defend. Most importantly as you rightly say here in this very article is that the statements that are put out are ridiculous - up there with the Xbox statement about if you want a offline console buy a 360 and EA and it’s surprise mechanics!

@RadioHedgeFund I own a Mini Cooper so I salute your fine taste.

@RadioHedgeFund agreed and in horizon arguably it’s too easy to get cars. You end up with over a hundred relatively quickly.

Glad I held off buying this. It’s everything that’s wrong with gaming.

We don’t need apologists telling us this is fine. As a single player only… we don’t need our games to need online. The only reason is to milk us. Take my fee for the game and leave me alone to play it.

JKs world is amazing and getting to explore it as presented here is superb. The attention to detail is a dream I hope I get sorted into Hufflepuff and I will be buying this day one. 100%.

Why are people so intent of making everything a battle….

Licensed vs unlicensed games is a thing now?

Licensed games should be much easier (they historically have proved otherwise) than unlicensed…. You don’t have to dream up a world. You don’t need to introduce characters. It should be so much easier to concentrate on the vitals like fun and gameplay get licensed get it wrong so often. Hopefully this is one of the good ones. The HP world is screaming out for video games because it’s a world that fits it so well.

Top two was locked no matter what. Shame both are not available for new people to experience.

Day one… like others… on the switch.

@DeathByLasagna I assumed so. Would be stupid if they don’t include that. Companies surely realise the market for solo players is still massive

This seemed ages away and then crept up and was delayed so much so I lost paying attention…

Do we know who is actually playable in this yet?
Edit -
Pure Xbox told me….

Batgirl, Nightwing, Red Hood, and Robin…

Nice. This is day one then. Won’t even miss Batman As batgirl will have similar gadgets etc. this looks great.

Just because something is “clever” or “innovative” doesn’t mean it’s a good idea it seems this is one of those cases. When MTX invaded GT years ago I was against it. When they rotated the cars you could buy and you just could let buy what you wanted - I was against it. They seem to want to take the joy out of the game and not make it more joyful. It looks pretty and they get so much right but off the track they do nearly everything wrong and for solo players the meat and bones is the stuff you can go off the track.

Why people are so up in arms over MTX I don’t know…:: they’ve been in since GT5 haven’t they? They’ve certainly been in the last couple

I’m against them myself but they’ve been there for years in this game series it’s not new

Lots of “apologists” as always. It’s the double standards that get me. Anyway…. I’ll wait until I play it. I’m a big driving game fan and I’m holding off for now. I have plenty to play right now and this monster won’t be going anywhere and I suspect there might be a few patches in the works for a few of the mechanics players (not reviewers) don’t seem to like.

@get2sammyb ahhhhh I completely missed that. It explains it. In terms of Batman I wouldn’t have had any of the fighters as high as they aren’t really Batman games. But as a game they deserve good rankings….

Some bold calls here! Bold calls…. But nice to see the list. Some cracking games. Even the ones down near the bottom

@pip_muzz amen! I never understand why people seek to remove choice from others.

The uproar if they made the game accessible would be monumental. Gatekeepers would be boycotting left and right. The people that want to enjoy the game aren’t the issue here.

Hard pass. I don’t play games for fun. I play to log on to forums to say I only play games for a digital trophy that only exists on my account and profile for my console. That’s the sole reason I game. Games that don’t have trophies suck no matter how good they are and once I have a platinum I NEVER go back. Even sports games that are still fun.

This of course isn’t true but this is how ridiculous it is when people say pass on a game just because of its trophy.

I pay £3.40 a month for GPU including all exclusives day one.

$16 a month without exclusives isn’t comparable at all. The library of classic games would need to be pretty much every game on all three gens for me even to have a look and TBH I own at least 1000 games on ps123 I have far more interest in being able to play them rather than a tiny selection for this sort of money. This just isn’t a good idea at all.

lol at the gate keeping of the “art business” in the comments. A load of suits picking out a logo from a bunch of logos for their multimillion pound franchise is the definition of high art.

First thing I see is it looks like Six notifications.

No one else will have spotted that. Or made a joke about other people spotting it so I first on both counts. Honest.

Joking aside it’s just lazy and horrible that they signed this off.

Makes me wonder what the menus and game will look like in general if this is the direction they went

They have limited it’s duration to a really short period. IMHO ruining the point of it.

@render YOU FELL ASLEEP

Online gunk. Lovely. Make some additions to offline and we can talk.

Anyone who says “you are part of the problem” when referring to purchasing a video game really needs a reality check. In terms of problems in society….. this isn’t a problem.

Let’s not overblow that people like GTA and want to play a better version. Even if we don’t feel the same. There should be more choices so that we don’t have to worry

They can delay the game just don’t delay the art book!!

@AdamNovice this. Such strange takes. We have no idea what agreements other workers have. All this drama creating out of nothing is bonkers. This is business.

Solo player games… who cares if someone cheats….

Seriously.

Good for you.
I’d like good solo player games.

Just like Bethesda proved. The initial statements can soon change. Management can be changed. Direction can be changed. Sony can do what they like. They will buy a few more and say they want to keep the games on all platforms and see what MS do. It’s poker. I hope all the games stay multiplatform and I hope Xbox bring big names they’ve purchased to multiplatform.

@Godot25 I don’t disagree. My comment was more on the reaction by certain elements. I stand by my stance since it was announced. It’s bad for everyone as it means less games. Ignoring what they do with cod the other IPs will be lost in a big Xbox, Bethesda shuffle. Anyone who thinks these companies churn out the same amount of games they did - before covid and the take takeovers is on another planet. So everyone including Xbox owners (I am one) will get less games. Some may claim they’d have got less games anyway because shift in market. May have a point. It’s hard to call that one.

Same as above picked up both Xbox and PS sealed very cheap with all the extras. When it comes im set. Not tried either version. Will wait and play the best version.

£35 for a guide book. Usually £15 quid. What’s going on?!?

@pierco they do. You pay for gold for three years. And convert for 99p. Seriously a quick google search will show you people on forums discussing this and on Twitter. Anyone paying 10.99 is a fool.

I paid 3.30 I think.

Depends what price you can get a years gold for when your are lapsed.

Xbox only users 2021 - ugh not another yearly COD. halo is the best. We don’t need COD. Only casuals buy COD and FIFA.

Xbox only users 2022 - COD being exclusive in 4 versions time is massive and will send Sony bust.

Us in the middle think short term it’ll mean nothing as games take a while to develop and long term - it means less games for everyone including Xbox owners.

I am a XSX and GPU owner/user.

Issue is Sony clearly want a piece of the GPU pie.

Xbox say it’s 10.99 but in reality most people pay under £3.50 a month. Even in sale Plus and Now cost me more than that.

If Sony redo this and aim for 10.99 a month it’s a hard pass from me. I wouldn’t pay that for GPU either so unless they realise they are actually competing with £3.50 a month and 80% of GPU subs are at that price and most wouldn’t pay more… they could be onto a winner.

At double or triple that I think they’ll find they actually cause more of a exodus to GPU. More and more people are discussing the cheap ways to get GPU and so it’ll become more attractive

I plan to go find one of the disks later and pay my tenner. Happy to support proper cinematic experiences like this. Want more games like this on all consoles.

@Shaun2018098 they’ve said basic offline mode no? As in exhibition. Or have I missed an announcement of a career mode? The game is all just a FUT mode isn’t it? If you are privy to different details awesome

Agree with the above. It’s probably my most anticipated game - but I want it to work. It comes when it comes

It’s doesn’t look promising at all.

It’s a rubbish FUT clone. It’s pretty much a cut and paste job. Who asked for that?!?!?!?

No solo player content and will be riddled with MT.

It’s pretty much everything wrong with gaming

@themightyant it’s a fantasy action game with Yetis and mystical beasts. I really don’t understand why people seem offended by the killing In This game. Are not most video games tonally an issue?

TV, Movies and Video games are escapism.

I dread to think what entertainment will look like in a few years. Demolition man may have predicted the future.