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@get2sammyb
I'm in agreement with yourself on this one (with the exception that I always believed 2028 was more likely the plan, just because it's 4 years from Pro).

Personally, I would want them to launch as soon as possible, but why should RAM prices stop them?

If say for instance the PS6 could have launched 2028 at £700, but the RAM prices would make this £850, then launch in 2028 at £850. Then drop to £700 or whatever in 2029.

They can be clear with customers with their intentions, and it will still sell - people with sufficient disposable income will still buy it, and those who can't afford it will wait until the price drop in 2029. It is as you say a choice.

(And for what its worth, I'm not 100% set on PS6 - but I need to see it running 1st)

@Dragon83
I was referring to the rumoured fairly small power difference between PS5 (particularly Pro), and PS6. I have clarified the comment I think you read.

I think you are referring to PSSR2, rather than FSR2.

@Andy22385
Plenty don't achieve close to a stable 60fps, so might as well be stuck at 30fps.

@McBurn
The PS5's power is being used, but squandered by some devs, is what you are saying? - I agree. The trouble is, I think the PS6 will open itself up for a lot more of this type of 'abuse' given the smaller rumoured raw power difference from PS5/Pro to PS6, than previous generations.

Edit: clarification.

Personally, I want it in 2027. But I have never thought it would launch before 2028 - 4 years from PS5 Pro.

A delay beyond 2028 may be problematic based on the rumoured power difference between PS5 Pro and PS6, which is not as big as I hoped it would be.

Just a thought - why should RAM prices delay it? If they could release at £700 in 2029 (for example), just release at £850 in 2028, and reduce in 2029. Even if they were very clear that is what they were doing, it would still sell!

Personally, I'm hoping for the much teased (including during GOWR) Atreus continuation. There was still a lot of story to be told here, and I would certainly expect it before a move to Egypt.

(Spoilers)
One of Odins Ravens survived - thus his soul may have moved to it instead of being destroyed.
We still have the Sindri / Brok storyline left up in the air.
Obviously the Giant storyline still has a way to go.

Sounds like it was originally a PS6 launch title, with a PS5 version also planned.

"Or see how long you can last in our ‘Endless Mode’ where the risks of survival are very real."

Its right here in the text. The game will start off with last years prices, and then go full in on apocalypse prices once you start getting into it.
It will be like an end of year 1 unbeatable boss, where only people using infinite money cheats can survive!

I'm sorry, as much as I love Sony games normally (they are normally my GOTY's) this just looks awful to me. If I wanted to try out a MP game, this would definitely not be it.

Plus, I have seen at least 1 incredibly cringeworthy advert that would put me off it too.

I always play RE2 Remake with the original music.

For me, it brings back the feeling of the original, and that police station main foyer music is such a classic piece.

A 7 or 8 overall at this point.

The gameplay is excellent, and I don't even mind the story. There are too many layered upgrade mechanics, but truth be told, this isn't troubling me as much as I thought it might.

But, the visuals severly let it down.

I've played mostly on my Pro and performance is mostly very good so far with limited fps drops, but the visuals are just not good - certainly not to the standard you would expect.
I have also played a bit on a base PS5, where the performance drops are longer and a bit deeper, and the visuals are worse, particularly in motion.

Given how bad Part 2 looked on a base PS5, Im not buying the rubbish he is coming out with.

Some of the worst games of this gen (from a technical standpoint) have happened because they were designed for an RTX 4090/5090, and scaled down.

Sounds perfectly reasonable considering how bloated certain games files have become.

@PuppetMaster
I suppose you could argue that that was a widespread one, so likely to gain headlines in their favour.

In this case, I just don't see it likely that a gesture like this could be expected to gain headlines.

Therefore, it just sounds like a pleasant gesture you just don't see that often these days, particularly from big companies. But, I do wonder if they do this sort of thing (without expectation of good PR), from time to time, and that this is the first time we have heard about it.

The first game was good, and a little unusual, but technically very solid.
A partnership with Sony can only be a good thing here imo.

I would echo what a few have said - the Sony method of partnership before potential purchase was always a very good idea in my opinion, and maybe we could see that here.

2028 makes far more sense to me, being 4 years after Pro (the same as PS5 after PS4 Pro).

To be fair, I always thought 2027 was a bit unlikely just because of this, how well PS5 is doing, and the inherent risk involved in kick starting a new generation (based on the fact Sony make very little on new hardware, only on their ecosystem).

I wonder how many times Sony have done something like this - I mean, I would think it quite a slim chance that this was the only time, and has been viewed so many times it has made headlines. Its a nice gesture.

I still use the standard Pro wallpaper, and only changed to the fireplace for a few weeks over xmas.

Is it just me, because when I read the wording of Insomniac's response it just made me chuckle - as in it isn't what they said, but how they said it.

@rustym82
Good (representative) demos have literally sold me on so many games over the last couple of years.
If your game is good, they can literally be the best marketing tool.

As I have commented before, I thought it was a good show, but not a great one. There just wasn't that 1 game to get me massively excited eg when GOWR or Astro or a Spiderman game was announced.
RE Requiem was closest, but they didn't show much.
This years top game for me - Wolverine, was not featured.
A lot of games that MIGHT be excellent, but could also be so deeply flawed I find them unplayable - eg anything made by Konami, based on past experience.

And for those who think me not being excited over GOW Trilogy remake is a contradiction - I was never a big fan of these games. Mostly the gameplay, but also the story.

@Oram77
The most annoying thing is when the ****ers put the spoiler in the thumbnail / description on Youtube etc, be it a game, sports type event, or whatever.

I'm certainly not the target audience but the style of this game looked awful to me. It didn't then help that I then saw the most cringe worthy ad for the game on Youtube after.

This was a good state of play, but there wasn't that 1 special game I am hyper excited over (except maybe RE Requiem, but there was little new on that front).

The 1 special game for me this year is likely Wolverine, but that wasn't featured.

Lots of 'COULD be very good' games.

@johncalmc
I suppose it is a little, but with more characters you just end up with poorly realised ones, or team moves that unexpectedly end up in ridiculous OP combos.

The trouble will be if with only 20 characters, they don't knock each one out of the metaphorical park.

After SF6 and its excellent World Tour mode, Fighting games for me appeal or don't appeal based on their Single player content, and character lists.
It was good to see English VA, but until we see details of SP content and the full roster, its very luke warm for me.

I thought it was good, but aside from RE Requiem, there wasn't that 1 single game that got me massively exited (for me this year it will likely be Wolverine which wasn't fearured).

Looks like a performance nightmare to me, hope I'm wrong, but this has bad idea all over it. Then again, DW Origins runs very well on Pro, so there is a little hope.

Really hope this adopts the 3rd person perspective/ gameplay style of 2018 / Ragnarok.
I didn't think much to the original games, but if they remake them in 3rd person I will gladly give them another go.

I'm stable again - well at least Sony says I am.

The art style here seems very divisive - which just doesn't seem a good idea for a game they want to appeal to everyone...

@dnifnv83
Why on earth would Sony reciprocate - their platform is alive and doing well - they have absolutely no need to. Xbox have been forced into selling their games multiplatform to survive.

@Toot1st
To be on a "best sellers" list it doesn't have to have sold many copies, just in the top 10 / 20 etc on that platform, so its all relative.

Theoretically it could have sold in single digits and still been a "best seller" on Xbox, if most games sold even less.
Not saying thats the case, just that this info tells us nothing regarding actual sales on the platform, only relative.

I suppose this makes sense. It's not a Sony Core SP game like a GOW or Spiderman game, so unlikely to cause any bad feeling among Sony customers.

Personally I think it's a bad business decision (unless you are in the state Xbox are in) releasing your games on any other format (and that includes PC as 'PC's in a box' start to become a thing).
Much better to keep them as a means of attracting customers - which can have a massive knock on effect on the friends/ family.
But the harm is much reduced for live service games like this.

If they hadn't of just released a game with very poor performance (ref the review here), I might have been more interested in what they had coming up.
As it stands, I have no faith in anything this team does.

@RobN
Maybe I'm being idealistic, and I do respect that your point is very much considered, but too often people these days just look at CAN WE, whereas the question needs to be SHOULD WE.
Things like AI need treating like new medicines with thorough testing/consideration of the implications and future negatives.

I will however leave it there because I don't want to get off topic; though I will add that at least part of my objection at the moment, is that currently the quality implication of some uses of AI is in the most part highly negative, yet it is still being used in the here and now.

Seems odd to me how some still defend the current use of Generative AI when it noticeably (and significantly) reduces the quality of the finished game, detracting from the experience.
And all this while the moral, and sometimes legal integrity is questionable at best.

"It seems to aim for 60 frames-per-second, but you’ll struggle to find many examples of it actually achieving that outside of standing still and staring at a wall."

Sounds appalling, and I have binned it off my wishlist.

Pity, I had hoped this game would be decent, but this year is far too busy to keep a track of games this bad being fixed.

As far as I am concerned, Lies of P when combined with the amazing Overture DLC, IS the best Soulslike ever made, and that includes Fromsoftwares games.

It is a fantastic combination of gameplay, atmosphere, and storytelling. And Overture is so good that I would class it as an absolutely essential DLC, that only improves future playthroughs.

Well deserved.

Lies of P, when coupled with the amazing Overture DLC, is in my opinion probably the best Soulslike ever made - and that includes Fromsofts games. An excellent choice to take inspiration from.

@nomither6
That's what I think.
There are bad things about every generation - I could have a rant about a lot of them (top of the list being the "release broken, and maybe fix later" standards certain dev teams have employed) and write greater than the character limit 3 times over.

But, overall, this is the generation I have most enjoyed playing games in.

@Ainu20 @Bingoboyop
I don't disagree with either of your sentiments (and there have been some excellent example games this gen of Sony at their best).
I do agree that there does seem to be a positive course correction here.

It's a frankly all to common situation these days. What can they do to appease the situation they have, in part, helped to create.
For some, literally nothing short of an announcement promising how very sorry they are, and that they will not even think about another MP game for at least 20 years, will be enough. (I'm not saying this is right btw)

The trouble is, having pivotted in one direction and at least in part disgruntled users, they now need to swing ( 'occilate' ) in the opposite direction for a while to appease, before finding that balance. Most importantly for a company like Sony, that at times can come off as almost secretive (probably not the best word, but I can't think of a better word atm), they need to show this, not just do it.
I think this is the part they are missing.

Edit: removed an unintended emoji that just looked weird!

@get2sammyb
I'm sorry to say that I think Sony themselves are partially to blame for a lot of this, but just as with everything these days online discourse means that everything has to be either the best thing ever, or the worst thing ever - it is frankly tiring.

It was Sony who has, over the course of many years, built their brand on their SP offerings - games of a type which when on form, Sony are incredibly good at.

The Live service push was badly thought out at the very least, and has clearly led to delays in their core SP games. The messaging all over this new Horizon game is that Horizon 3 has been delayed in it's favour.

From my point of view, Sony don't help themselves by showing so little of their own content in each SOP - sometimes a few snippets of what they are working on would go a long way. It's good that they spend a bit more time highlighting a single game, but by not showing off more titles, it can help give the wrong impression (at least in my opinion).

And now Sony finds themselves in this almost PR hole, it's going to take a LOT for them to get themselves out of it, not least because a lot of the hate is completely disingenuous - be it from people who have always been anti Sony (maybe fanboys of other systems), or from those who need clicks and likes so much that they live in a world of only extreme opinions.

This is coming from someone whose personal opinion is that the PS5 gen has possibly been the best gen of console gaming yet, but Sony has made mistakes.

@Oram77
I think I have a lot more faith in Capcom when it comes to RE games (Pro versions of course) - the clincher was when they confirmed the average 90fps mode for RE9, based on how effective they had been on previous games given this Pro mode. In terms of gameplay / story etc, I have taken issue with parts of their recent games but generally I think the standard is high to really high.

Capcom with other games - not so much, based on DD and MHW, though it was nice to hear that DF had had a look at a number of Capcom games in progress, and were very pleased with their progress technically on all but Onimusha - which Capcom were trying to fix. I really hope they get Onimusha right - I really liked all the originals.

I used to really like SE games in general, but I just haven't been a big fan recently. In fact, I can't even say what the last game of theirs I bought was. Probably 7 part 1.

I was not a big fan of 7 part 1 - to explain further, soon after I played it I spoke to a couple of friends about all the parts I disliked in the story, and was told I had listed most of the changes from the original. I went in with no preconceptions.
I played the demo for 16, really enjoyed the content, but the framerate was far below what I can tolerate.

I'm not going to say the Pro version of 7 Part 2 doesn't look good on Pro, I think it does; but it was never top of my list because of how I found 1, and the technical issues with 2 when it came out (before Pro launched) meant I was never going to buy it until the Pro launched.
Since then I have just felt a bit cool towards it, and unlike yourself, I just don't have that faith in SE anymore at all.
Hence why I'm waiting. If part 3 is amazing, then I will buy 2 and 3 together and play them consecutively.

I will add, I am not the biggest fan of stories told over multiple parts, though obviously this is a bit of a grey area.

@Oram77
I'm waiting on part 3 to decide.

I had part 1 but didn't think it fantastic, in the most part (I am told as I never played the original) as a result of the story changes of the remake.

Then part 2 came out with all the visual issues in performance mode, so I held off.

By the time the Pro came out and part 2 was fixed for Pro, and exacerbated by rumours / SE later saying that part 3 is going to be multiplatform (indicating less focus on PS hardware when part 2 had issues), I had just lost interest, and decided to wait to see how part 3 pans out. Then I can, as you point out, just buy a double pack.

@PuppetMaster
I don't think I bought a game in December or January - there was just nothing I really wanted.
I also tend to always have a small backlog, and a larger number of games I want to replay, so a quieter month here or there is fine by me.

The schedule looks pretty stacked for the next couple of months though, and if every game I have my eye on turns out to be worth getting that backlog is going to grow... (probably enough to fill the GTA6 drought and then some!)

@KundaliniRising333
Once you are past a short prologue, you get 1 closed environment mission with a red armoured samurai boss. After that its open world up to near the end when you get 1 further closed environment mission.
Best to try it - the main takeaway I got from my bit of research, which was mainly targeted at PS5 Pro, is that on PC you are not getting close to the performance you should expect, and it needs to lock to 120 or 60fps.

There needs to be an option for "Replay/Backlog as nothing worth buying"

@Weez
That ties in with what the user above reported, and with a couple of videos I watched - an inconsistent frame pacing when not locked; but also that you get nowhere near the performance you would expect from the hardware in question on PC (Fextralife went into a few details).

The same areas shown in some of the videos (from the demo), I have been to on my PS5 Pro, and there just aren't any major issues there - fps is 60fps, and I don't see anything other than limited dips (and I'm fairly strict). Totally different to the 1st demo on PS5/Pro which was a mess.

@KundaliniRising333
I took a look at a few videos on Youtube yesterday (I think I found the one you referenced) and this issue seems to be PC only, with even decent PC's being limited in terms of achieved performance.
(I saw no issues on the 2nd demo playing on PS5 Pro in the same areas the guy was looking at).

I think it's Fextralife that notes that a decent enough PC can't keep up with a base PS5.

Pretty sure we have seen similar similar bad ports for PC, but no idea what is going on here.