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@TheArt ( @Oram77 )
Fair point. I just think (based on previous gens, and maybe optimistically) that the best is yet to come, and any poll now will not be nearly as positive as an actual end of gen poll.
Though saying that, this poll is actually pretty positive anyway.

@PuppetMaster
I had to say something - it had just gone too far, and the rudeness/disrespect (on his part) was silly. As I said, we can all have disagreements, but something has got to be serious before you drop civility.

Hopefully it is acceptable to say - good on them for deleting, and the posts were still visible when I posted (as I copy pasted his quotes) so he will have seen it.

@Oram77
Maybe we are just optimists lol but yes, next year is looking very busy!

I think my 'take' on it is I have been happy so far, so don't want to be too critical- but if they hadn't ****** around with the LS push, this gen would have stood out far more.

This poll is a couple of years too early - Sony typically release their best towards the end of each gen.

Somewhat surprised given a lot of the comments I read here often that the poll is so positive, and that very few think PS6 should launch 2027 (I think 2028 is far better).

For me, this has been the best generation so far.
60fps, SSDs, and a very strong Pro machine being the highlights.
I do think that Sony need to deliver game-wise in the next few years though to cap it off nicely.

@LogicStrikesAgain
I was reading through your post, and you already covered what I was going to say about there still being a couple/few years left.
I'm generally happy with Sony studios output, though they definitely could have released more. For me at least, I have had a couple of those generation definers from them - GOWR, Astro, GoY, SM (MM & 2).

I am hopeful though that, just like PS3 and PS4 generations, they finish strong. I think all of us forget sometimes that Sony have typically released some of their best games in the latter years of each gen.

@Oram77 @Jacko11
I think PS6 is going to be around the £650 - £700 mark, without a disc drive (but with an optional one available) - and I'm absolutely fine with that, providing it is capable enough. (I'm not convinced yet).

I've been saying it for a while, and I'm sure I will say it many more times before it launches, but if the PS6 isn't expensive/capable enough it is going to fail spectacularly.

If its not-too-expensive but underpowered, a lot of those people who want a cheaper PS6 will see little benefit so will stay with PS5 (and maybe dabble with Switch2), and some of those who want a bigger upgrade (and are prepared to pay for it) will start to look elsewhere.

Sony have a seriously difficult balancing act on their hands, and should not be jumping into this potential storm too early.

Of course, you also have some that expect a cheap, all powerful PS6 but thats fairly delusional.

I remember really enjoying the original game, so I hope they do this justice.
I just worry that the start of next year is looking quite stacked, and between that and Xmas backlogs, games like this will get lost even if they are good.

It will be interesting to see whether these COD sales figures make a dent in Activisions market valuation - and what MS (as the parent company of Xbox) will do as a result.

If the reports are true, the aquisition has lead to Xbox being forced to sell its games on its opponent's system, and led to unrealistic profit expectations on its other studios.

Now, we see the main Asset- COD - halve it's sales (or worse) from last year. MS shareholders are not going to like that!

@EfYI
Glad you are enjoying it.
My personal opinion remains that 5Pro is a much better console that 4Pro was, when comparing each generations Pro to base console.

And, things should improve even further early-ish next year when they upgrade to the new version of PSSR/FSR4.(whatever they call it!)

Playing on Pro, the uncap option adds quite a boost to the framerate in a lot of the areas that I have just had a quick look at.

Looking forwards to playing NG+ sometime in the nearish future.

NB if you don't have 120hz capability I highly recommend you change VRR to "smoothed", as it DOES NOT default to this.

@Striker21

All you have appeared to do here all day is fanboy* for Xbox, on a Playstation site.

As part of this, you have been very rude and disrespectful to a number of users:

• "It's just typical manchild behavior that is illogical at its core." Directed at @PuppetMaster
• "You are either an extremely picky gamer, a fanatic, or a combination of the two." Directed at @PuppetMaster
• The entirety of your post #69, but "This generic and simple-minded statement" was a ket part. Directed at @MegaBeenz
• "I hope that you improve your logical thinking". Directed at @MegaBeenz

All in this thread alone.
I do not always agree with other people, sometimes I vehemently disagree, but unless there is very good cause not to, I at least try to keep my comments civil and not insult anyone.

Also how disrespectful is it to keep asking for people to provide you with "rational" or "logical" reasons why they don't like every Xbox game - its not like everyone's tastes are the same, and in all cases they have not exactly set the world on fire so to speak.

As I said in a previous post, if they want my attention they also need to start upping their game from a technical point of view - Outer Worlds 2, Oblivion, and Doom TDA have all had serious issues or been lacklustre ports (ref DF).
In fact the only top tier Xbox game so far in my opinion has been Forza, and some people, myself included, just are not into racing games.

As justification for my previous comment * A quick look in your comments history shows that nearly all the comments you have raised here (and that haven't been deleted by mods - I can't see them) so far on this Playstation site, have been very much in favour of Xbox - 14 such post on this thread alone.

@TrollOfWar
"Or PlayStation could just continue releasing games on PC (and PC handhelds) like they do now, without trying to prevent people from playing their games."

Or, they could pull out of PC entirely.

If Sony see Hybrids and handhelds are a threat to them keeping customers in their ecosystem, they will react by stopping ports to PC entirely. The comparatively tiny amount of money they make from PC Ports is not worth the risk of eroding their userbase.

All I am saying is it might be better if they can find a middle ground to block out just those higher risk devices instead.

@PuppetMaster
Oh, and yes - there is a bit of inconsistency in not being into 1st person shooters as a general rule, yet having had some interest in Doom TDA, but for some reason I loved Doom 2016 - it felt more of an adventure game in certain ways.

@PuppetMaster
I like a fair few RPG's - but it really comes down to the game in question.

Eg Hogwarts Legacy (does that count?) is amazing in my opinion, Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk were decent (but not amazing for me), but I have little interest in Mass Effect or Fable (I played a Fable game back on my 360 and that put me off the series to the point I would need to see something very convincing).

(I also like quite a few Soulslikes - Lies of P was amazing and First Berserker pretty good.)

I really enjoyed Oblivion and Skyrim back in the day, and would have happily bought Oblivion Rm, even just for the nostalgia, if it wasn't for the state it launched in (and I don't think it is close to having been fixed up properly).

Sony games on the other hand, I usually really enjoy - they just feel such high quality compared to most games. That's not me being a fanboy either- I just really like most of their games, but not all (eg GT seems excellent but I'm not into racing games).

Xbox studios have only made a few games I would have been interested in (im not into 1st person shooters as a rule so thats a fair few out) - but then they did lacklustre or broken PS5 versions of the games I was interested in.

But you are right, I must be really weird (and an illogical manchild) to have bought a PS5/Pro, yet be into Sony games, and not be interested in every single game (or piece of crap in certain cases) Xbox releases! Lol

@Oram77
"The problem you are facing now Todd, people have gotten burned from oblivion remaster so don't expect "people losing their minds" the next time..."

Brilliant!

I'm sure its been said many times so far but shadow dropping a game that is a technical disaster is not a good thing.
Any game launching without FULL availability for critical and technical review / analysis is a massive Red Flag.

@TrollOfWar
I thought launchers could actively detect the hardware they are running on, so would have thought it would be very easy, particularly with standardised hardware set ups. I would also have thought modders would only have a certain amount of ability to circumvent it.

This article makes it clear that the amount of money they make is quite insignificant compared to their console ecosystem.
Maybe these PC hybrids will make Sony consider it's just too much risk to bother, and lead them to pulling away from PC in its entirety. Or, maybe they can come up with a method of removing the risk of hybrids, and continue porting games to mainstream PC.
Given that choice I don't think AMD would be too concerned with Sony blocking certain hardware.

Good point on the handhelds - Yes, I would think Sony would be well aware of the risks of their games also being available on these devices, in relation to them getting their PS handheld off the ground, so may well be looking into this area too if they plan to continue porting to PC.

@Striker21 @PuppetMaster

Personally I don't have much interest is all those games either.

• If I liked racing games, Forza looked really excellent.
• I had mild interest in Indiana Jones until I saw it running, and then I just sort of lost interest.
• I had some interest in Doom TDA, and a lot of interest in Oblivion (not on the list), until it became evident that Doom was a half arsed port, and Oblivion was a complete technical disaster. So no way was I going to purchase them.

Thats it really. And given the poor technical standards of certain recent games from Xbox studios, they are all on my 'wait for DF analysis before getting excited' list.

@Andee
Personally I think that Sony's counting method has issues, but failing that wizards may be involved lol, at least in this games case.

@GamingFan4Lyf
I am thinking that, as others have suggested, a Sony launcher might be the best way for them at the moment.

The main threat to Sony's console market from the PC space at the moment is hybrid devices eg the next Xbox / steam machine.
A Sony launcher could, I assume, be made to detect and not run on these standardised devices, thus removing this potential competition. They would have to be upfront about this of course.
This may in turn allow for them to launch more games, and a bit earlier, on more mainstream PC devices.

Like you, I think they have a lot of number crunching and risk analysis to do, but if they are able to remove some of that risk and focus on the generally less enticing to console gamers, mainstream PC market, there may be something in this.

@Striker21
Sony studio games are not there to make money - it's a nice side earner.
Sony also make very little profit off of hardware - in fact at the start of the generation they often sell hardware at a loss.

Cheaper hardware, and Exclusives, are only really there to attract and keep customers happy in their ecosystem - this is where they make their money.

This is a major reason why Xbox is in the abysmal state its in - various bad decisions including Game Pass Day 1 and spending too much on aquisitions, has led to Xbox being forced into being multiplatform, and forced them into unrealistic profit margins. I believe MS shareholders want more money back after spending nearly $100bn on aquisitions.

Who would want an Xbox now? - Xbox console users don't have access to PS5 console Exclusives (including those not made by Sony), whereas if they had a PS5 instead they would have access to both PS5 exclusives and nearly everything Xbox makes too.

@LogicStrikesAgain
I've said it in a separate post, but their own launcher would likely give them far more control over what devices can play their games - any device seen as risky* eg Hybrid designs like the next Xbox, and they could block the launcher, as it would detect the device. They would need to be upfront about it though.

Edit: * to their console ecosystem / business

I've said before that I thought their PC business was pocket money compared to their console ecosystem, and it seems like that is the case, and pretty insignificant.

If they choose to continue on PC, and don't think it too big a risk to their console business, I also think they would do best to have their own storefront / launcher too.

That might allow them far more control to block their games on any hardware they do consider a risk - eg next Xbox and other hybrid devices like Steam Machine.

To be honest, none of the Xbox studios games released so far on PS5 have interested me.
(Forza was done excellently, but it's just not my type of game - but I'm giving props to a game/port well done. Same with HiFi Rush too I believe.)

But, when the first thing I hear is "doesn't perform as well as series X" or "lacklustre Pro enhancement" the first thought in my mind is "skip!" - I haven't felt like I have lost out, more dodged a bullet, and no game has felt necessary.

They are going to have to try much harder (and I understand that its probably head office giving the studio too little time, but my point still stands).

@LogicStrikesAgain
I think without trying to prove a point, you have proved a point! 2 very interesting comparisons.

@scottXedgar
And the Sony store is not close to being the only place to buy PS5 games (which can also be bought physically), but the comparison of Sony vs Steam prices is still a very worthwhile comparison.

@Dogbreath
To make it worthwhile to me, my expectations would be 120fps - via HDMI2.1 TV, at around 1440p upscaled to 4K via DLSS or FSR4 as applicable (on all major engines including UE5), and pretty much future proofed for PS6 gen. So yes, pretty much top end.

That incurs an initial hardware cost which I am comfortable with.

But, I would not want to keep up 2 systems, hence why Sony games on PC is such a major thing for me - because of how much I enjoy them, and how much time I spend on them.

The other major for me is that PC needs to become more hassle free before I would consider a move, but I do think things are improving here.

My point is though, that I would want to go in with realistic expectations of what it would cost, both in terms of money and time/effort.
Sadly, there are far too many comments here that are completely unrealistic in these regards.

PC is a very different ecosystem with its own positives and negatives, but looking at certain Pro-PC comments here and over the last few months you would not think that was the case.

@11001100110zero
"I've stated before, a person shouldn't ruin something for anyone else. If you aren't blown away/impressed/excited then so be it. I'd hope a person doesn't trash talk something they have never used or experienced before. Some people here may be excited, and allow the comments to ruin it for them"

For clarification- I am not interested in the Steam machine as its too underpowered for my requirements according to every expert opinion I have read.
I am however frequently interested in a far more powerful PC - but, there are plenty of major Pro's and major Con's to PC vs console, which at this point in time keep me firmly on console, whilst keeping a close eye on PC to see if the major Con's improve - One of the major Con's of PC for me, being that Sony do not release ALL of their games on PC.

Comments like @LogicStrikesAgain 's above comments are not the sort of thing that would do anything to 'ruin' / put me off ever trying PC in the long run.

(Sony store prices vs Sream is a good comparison - if you want to add various other PC selling sites, you also have to consider a lot of other retailers who sell PS games - physical and digital.)

The sort of comments that have really started to put me off in recent months are the various comments you can see throughout this thread (and similar, particularly in the last couple of months) saying how fantastic PC is over console.
There are upsides and downsides, particularly if someone is thinking of moving between the very different
ecosystems.
However a number of comments I have read here on Pushsquare - a Playstation site - appear to be fanboying for PC, and this articles comments section has appeared particularly bad.
Comments that try to convince about the 'incredible' savings on PC are some of the worst.

The first thing I would do before making a switch like this is budget everything properly, and start deciding exactly what I wanted - and the quickest thing that would stop me would be finding out that things were going to be more hassle or more expensive than they appeared to be.*

Edit: * and worse than this for some, would be to buy a PC or Steam machine, expecting much cheaper games on Steam, only to have buyers remorse once disappointed.

@LogicStrikesAgain
Same as you on CDkeys - no idea. If it is legit, I doubt it would be as future proof as Steam / Sony.

Any comparison is a moment in time, and maybe today it is slightly on the side of Sony, but in a weeks time slightly on the side of steam - but I doubt the overall variation is very large, unless someone really cherry picks titles, and that they are about equivalent. Which as you say is completely against what we keep hearing.

I also agree with the use of games over the last year - I tend to buy about half my games near to launch, and about half on sale, but I very rarely buy games much more than a year old, and I doubt many here do either, apart from the odd occasion eg buying an early game from a series you have just got into, or buying a classic game just made available - or of course if you just bought a PS5 buying up the various exclusives from the last few years (but price comparison maybe tricky here lol).

I just use the standard Pro one - its pleasant enough.

@LogicStrikesAgain
RE your post comparing game prices.
This is really interesting to me, as all I keep hearing is about how cheap Steam is - when that clearly isn't the case. I'm sure you will get a number of replies that move the goalposts around significantly though.

I have, and still do consider moving to PC from time to time, mainly because I would see real benefits of a very powerful PC in very high framerates and the ability to customise graphics options to my own liking, favouring framerate and visual clarity. I am also not convinced Sony will deliver, hardware wise on PS6 (though I will be happy to be proved wrong on this nearer launch).

But, a lot of posts on this article from PC 'defenders' , along with recent similar articles, are REALLY putting me off PC.

This 'Games are always cheaper on PC' now just adds to the growing list of rubbish being almost peddled, incuding:

• "I can build a PC just as powerful, but cheaper than a X" (usually Pro) - usually you find they have missed key components, peripherals, software, or commonly used 2nd hand or dubious sources for components. Plus. I would want it pre-built (like consoles are).
• "PC is hassle free these days." (Nonsense, but admittedly improving)

Just this thread, I am adding "Games are cheaper on PC" to the list, after your post.

Also, the mental gymnastics on display here around not having to pay for PS Plus sub for online play is getting very old considering the fact that (in this specific case) this Steam machine can't apparently even play most major online games due to Linux not supporting anti cheat software (or probably more accurately the reverse of this); the terrible situation around online cheating mods in general on PC; and no consideration to the monthly 3 free games with PS plus.

In fact, the whole "cost saving over time on PC" just does not add up, misses things like larger outlay for PC hardware, and is starting to feel very desperate.

I've said similar before but when will people learn that this sort of Posting only goes to put off people from ever trying PC - I have had some far more pleasant conversations here in the past with more realistic, objective views on the Pro's and Con's of PC - but in recent comments sections, the Pro-PC posters just put me off.
We even had 1 person extolling the virtues of upscalers in regards this Steam machine, mentioning DLSS - which isn't even compatible with the hardware.

Anyway, thank you for the price comparison.

@OldGamer999
Its still not being "mugged off". China and SK still make profit on the devices they make - you need to ask yourself why/how they (can) make products so cheaply (and it isn't that their companies are so benevolent that they want to keep the prices of your entertainment goods down so don't add profit). You also need to consider by your reasoning, what a world would look like where those 2 countries manufacture everything, and no other country produces everything.

@get2sammyb
Sorry Sammy, there may be a minor typo error in your article.

Your 2nd paragraph reads "The reports suggests that its debut week is an eye-popping 63% below Battlefield 6, and at least 50% down compared to last year’s Call of Duty: Black Ops 6."

The embedded twitter post states ("more than") "60%" for the second value (ie vs COD:BO6 last year).

@SodaPop6548
I agree that this world is on the wrong track at the moment, with AI being a prime example eg replacing people, consuming too much resource, and generally only being there to make a few people rich - there are good uses for it, but they aren't the focus, and too many people keep down the line of "can we" not "should we".
But I think different times in human history have been much worse - 1939 to 1945 for example.

@OldGamer999
I don't think Sony (or Nintendo for that matter) are "mugging" us on console unit prices at all.
(Xbox is maybe a different matter, considering the series X price comparison vs the far more capable PS5 Pro.)

The prices could easily be considered cheap when compared to other similar goods for what you get.

And, when inflation adjusted console hardware prices are not much more expensive than they used to be.

Its fair at this point to consider the huge jump in tech in the last 20 years - I mean early consoles don't look much more advanced than calculators these days.

But you also have new components, as opposed to just more computational power:
Eg1 early consoles did not have hard drives at all, and this gen was the 1st time we moved to SSD technology.
Eg2 even up to last gen, system cooling was minimal at best. Now your console includes a fan that takes up approx 1 third of its volume, not to mention a complex formation of various heatsinks connected by copper pipes.
So if you want to do a like for like comparison you need to account for this sort of thing too.

@Arthur_Morgan
So your saying that as Production ramps up, the demand of 40% will stay the same % of total, meaning production will need to raise to 167% of what it is now to have as much 'leftover' after the OpenAI deal.

The more I hear about this, the more it sounds like a science fiction film plot, and the more it sounds like this bubble needs to burst sooner rather than later (because it sounds like it WILL burst, but if later it will do a LOT more damage to the global economy).

I do appreciate the reply however.

@Oram77 @DennisReynolds
I think they probably did see it coming, but either didn't think to stockpile or didn't want to - how many further consoles do you think they could feasibly guarantee to sell this gen? (ie if they did stockpile, they don't want it left over).

It may just be that they don't care about their series consoles - the fact that they are so expensive compared to PS5 (Pro) already, suggests this imo.

@get2sammyb
Asking because I don't have a clue. Are these RAM shortages likely to subside, or is it a case of thats it, this is the situation going forwards? The fact that you mention "long term" deal for the 40% suggests the latter is at least highly probable.

Some people don't need training to dig themselves into holes...

(Is there an Xbox edition? lol)

Cheap and Xmas for parents etc:
I've credited each of your accounts with 1,500,500 LS-game-bucks!

Total spend = $/£5 each
(These things always seem to come in nonsensical large sounding amounts)

I bought SF6 because of its World tour mode - I can't be bothered these days with competitive fighting, but the World Tour single player mode gave me a reason to buy.

I think its great that they add new World Tour content for new characters, so I even pick these up in sales - something else I wouldn't do if not for this mode.

@White_oyster
I don't think its unusual that the region locked model is the digital version, as this way they get the price as low as possible, while everyone has the option of buying an additional drive.

I suspect going forwards, as per Pro, there will only be 1 SKU of PS console - that being digital. With an optional drive for those that want one.
Thats the fairest way to do things as not everyone wants to pay for a drive these days.

Even more impressive given the relatively short period of time it's been out for compared to SOME of these games. I'm pretty sure it's a given that games like GoY continue to sell well, even months after launch. Its going to make them a LOT of money on a very modest budget.

I would rather a full remake/remaster (particularly from Bluepoint) to celebrate the 10th anniversary.

To leave this game languishing in 30fps hell is a crime!

@Briarback
So would I - more impressive is how, according to the hours played, I managed 100 hours (it was a fair bit over but I can't remember by how much) in just 1 play session.

Either it was magic.. or Sony's counting system has... issues.

@TheArt
I was going to reply to you saying that the majority are normal, non PCMR users out there, but given the state of this comments section, I just can't be bothered...

When will people learn that all these 'magic beans' (low powered PCs being so amazingly capable, and how cheap and completely hassle free it is play on PC), only serve to REALLY put off console gamers from trying out the PC ecosystem.

I will add though that I have spoken to some really nice PC users in the past, who have a more realistic view on the Pro's and Con's.

@Oram77
Not sure about the mainland - I'm not the biggest fan of larger settlements in games (weird, I know, but I HAVE to explore every bloody house! Lol).

They have the engine, and a lot of the systems - they just need 1 epic story, and a few changes to keep it fresh enough for 1 more game.

@Oram77
I agree with moving on after Horizon 3, but I think SP could (could) have 1 more good ghost story left to tell - I think it helps that they are using a different protagonist each game. Maybe next time they could expand a bit on having the protagonist hunted more.

@TheArt
To play devils advocate here, I think you are confusing the vast majority of normal people who play really low powered PCs, and the smaller number who want higher fps/visuals and can afford high powered PC's; with the small minority who fanboy for PC. (Thosr who will try and tell you that they can build a Pro level PC for the same sort of price, or how there is no hassle whatsoever to PC gaming, etc).

My guess is £600-£700, and with it being weaker than a base PS5, thats not an interesting proposition at all.

Consoles and their closed ecosystems will always have the advantage at this sort of power level - seems like a wasted opportunity to me.