@SuntannedDuck2 i have two ps3 consoles — one is moded and the other isn't. it's not cool that we will one day lose access to our purchases nontheless. also, not everyone is techsavy enough to mod a console and obtain the games... i don't blame people for finding that process intimidating. at any rate, that is besides the point and sony continues its streak of anti-consumer behaviour. the optics for ps6 are abysmal all things considered.
@Jade37 "To ease the transition, players will still be able to download previously purchased content after the closing date for the foreseeable future."
are you suggesting that you will be able to download your previous purchases from your "download list" even after the store shuts down? what does foresseable future even mean in this context though? it could be a few months or a year...
anyways, thanks for the clarrification. i assumed that the sony servers would be shut down completely on day one.
people are rushing to purchase their games digitally, knowing that they will lose access to them one day. are people really that irrational? the closing of the ps3 store is proof of that. it was available for 20 years and soon it will cease to exist. you will not be able to play your purchased ps3 games ever again unless you download them to a console BEFORE the closure. if your console's hdd fails, you are just out of luck. you can kiss your invstment goodbye. the same thing will occur with your ps4 and ps5 games... one day. people are cool with that?
@NerdyPaul depends how you define "just fine". these companies want to continue to grow their business — they are doing everything in their power to become stagnant and price people out of the hobby. i actually don't see playstation doing well with the ps6... the high cost to entry will likely hurt their hardware sales, reduce their install base and have a negative impact on software creation and revenue generation. across the board, it is going to be really tough on sony. remains to be seen, but optically, everything is looking bad right now.
gta 6 will be the test. many people are going to have a hard time downloading 200GB of data due to a lack of infrastrcuture. publishers leaving money on the table doesn't sound ideal does it?
@AhmadSumadi i read that as: physical games was the last thing keeping those gamers in the ps ecosystem. if sony removes the last feature that was keeping them there, then there is no longer a reason to stick around.
pc offers other benefits that ps lacks and will sway people to jump ship. sony has not accounted for the mess they are creating here. no matter how you look at it and what your own personal preferences are, sony is destined to lose customers and revenue over this move... less revenue means less investment in software and less risks... this is bad for everyone, digital and physical gamers alike. i don't understand the argument of: "well, this doesn't affect me, i have been digital for 10 years already!" (not referring to you, but others i have seen posting). that is an entitled and selfish way of looking at it.
@Cvantez well, yea, they must have done projections on this, but there are always trends that are overlooked or (not) emphasized to please shareholders. until this actually goes into effect for a few years, we won't know the true verdict. sony may in fact come out ahead with this move, but not necessarily. there is one thing that they cannot account for: that is the good will they are losing from their loyal customers. the worst thing that can happen for sony is to lose customers from their ecosystm because that amounts to many game purchases for the lifespan of the console and will be a major revenue loss for them.
sony and othe publishers are approaching gaming as if they have these customers locked in for life. they think we are all zombies that will stick around, no matter the financial cost. that may be true for some, but certainly not all. in the end, i see sony losing money in the years ahead... it has already begun with the high cost of entry of modern gaming.
as a core playstaion gamer since the 90s, i really enjoyed the ps1, ps2, ps3 and ps4 eras... but they lost me with the ps5 generation. i have yet to purchase one due to a myriad of reasons... ps6 is already off to a terrible start to win me over (and presumably millions of others in the same boat).
there is no reason to assume that there won't be an optinal disc drive attachment for ps6 for backwards compatibility at least... we have no confirmation on that.
these companies are going to shoot themselves in the foot for a variety of reasons:
1. playstation doesn't know how much of its software revenue will be impacted by this move. i.e. many people buy physical games cheaper on the used game market, which frees up cash to be spent for digital releases... physical options going away means they will spend less on digital due to their gaming budget being impacted...
2. people lend physical games to their friends as a way to try out the game... that may result in a digital purchase down the line but will no longer be an option now... could result in lost sales...
3. with no other options available to find a "deal" or sell their physical games, many people will buy fewer games across the board, digital or not...
sony's software revenue generation will fall by a large margin... could be anything from 5-25% if i had to guess, especially in markets with lower standard of living and less disposable income...
also, we haven't even gotten into the topic of people with poor internet access and who will simply not be able to download large files... you will cut out another 15% of the market there alone. imagine all the people who want to play gta 6 but can't? that is a lot of people to alienate... are these publishers willing to leave all the money on the table? because i don't think they like that side of this dilemma!
now, sony has no choice but to include a disc drive with the ps6 for b/c of ps5 games at the very least. they will have to respect that much. if they don't, i expect ps6 to sell a fraction of the ps5 (as if the price wasn't already going to sabotage the console anyways haha)
p.s. being at the mercy of psn for ALL OF YOUR PURCHASES will only result in less discounts. you will be paying more on average for all your games. publishers will have less of a reason to put games on sale if you literally have no other choice but to buy digital. i already see tons of games that rarely get price drops.
@sanderson72 for sure. i understand why they don't want to take a hit on the hardware, but if they need to they will. it is simple supply and demand at the end of the day. once the demand slows down, they will have no other choice... i would guess by year 2 of the ps6, they will commit to a price drop whether they like it or not. they will need to grow the install base to generate software revenue since that is their primary focus anyways. right now with the ps5, they have the luxury of having close to 100m users on the platform and can be complacent and anti-consumer, but the ps6 will be a completely different scenario. it should be interesting to see how it all plays out!
the ps5 hardware is now close to 6 years old. 95% of the components of the ps5 are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to manufacture now than they were in 2020. those savings are offsetting a large portion of the increases on RAM and SSD's (keep in mind sony obtains much better pricing on those components than we do as customers so the price increases there are overblown).
now, the MSRP price increases sony has made to PS+ and ps5 hardware over the past several years amounts to more than $200 ($200 on base digital hardware and as much as $40 on PS+ premium).
taking all this into consideration, sony has offset the RAM and SSD increases in many different ways and are not losing money on the hardware by anything even remotely worth talking about. had sony NOT increased the hardware and ps+ costs as many times as they have, then my thoughts on this would be completely different. despite all this, you still think sony is subsidizing ps5 hardware by a significant amount? by how much? there is no evidence of this whatsoever. customers are being taken advantage of in this situation and i'm sorry if you cannot see that.
"As a principle, we do not intend to sell hardware at significant losses"
for the record, the ps5 did not sell at a loss since 2021.
as for the past year or two, how much are they subsidizing the hardware if they keep jacking up the prices? not much. certainly not enough to say they are doing anything substatial to remedy the situation.
do you realize that sony was subsidizing the ps2 hardware by $250 when it launched (with an msrp of $300)? that amounts to nearly 45% of the total cost!
what about ps3? they subsidized the hardware by $300 at launch (with an msrp of $500/600) which amounts to as much as 35% of the total cost.
yea, that's what i'm talking about. if you think sony is subsidizing the ps5 by anything more than 5% currently, even with all the price hikes on customers, you are out of touch. you sound like a corporate apologist, even after everything that has happened. strange take.
sony is lying. pushsquare has been reporting several articles contrary to this and the data proves it. sony being so hellbent as to not subsidize the hardware is ruthless and irresponsible. the shareholders will become impatient once ps6 launches and the sales slump. until then, sony will reach 100m ps5's sold and the software revenue will keep rolling in, keeping investors happy. enjoy it while you can!
everyone knows gta 6 is going to give a boost to hardware sales, but that game is an anomaly and still doesn't explain why hardware sales the past few months were the lowest since the year 2000! how many people will play gta 6, who still do not own a ps5 and will buy one within the first 6 months of the game releasing? that is the question. there could very well could be a boost of 5m consoles sold at the end of this year entirely the result of a single game... that is wild stuff. however, after that surge, sales will take an abrupt turn and go back to normal levels and sony won't be able to use its excuses any longer!
back to subsidizing the hardware. i look forward to it! sony makes more than enough on the software side of things so there is nothing for them to worry about.
no surprise there. i'm glad we can finally put this topic to rest!
p.s. americans don't know how good they have it. $80 for them is $113 for canadians... plus tax! just be grateful that your country has a rigged dollar and everything is still relatively grounded because i assure you, things are far worse for everyone else in the world
now people will be forced to download a 200GB+ file onto their console. that is going to be a brutal experience for many. this marks the symbolic end to physical media on sony's platforms if one of the most mainstream game releases in history won't even have a physical release. the beginning of the end... this makes the pre-orders even stupider than i initially imagined haha.
for those who don't know, tupac's estate does not include his family members. somehow, his estate is managed by record producer, tom whalley. tupac's sister is currently in a legal battle with whalley to secure the rights of her brother. i.e. tupac's likeness in this game is being exploited and controlled by shadey individuals and his real family is being excluded. it is likely that tupac's family does not approve of this game at all.
the developers and everyone involved with this project should be ashamed. snoop will do anything for money — no integrity there. what an embarassment. outside of the controversy and ethical concerns, the game looks terrible... rgg is clearly beginning its decline...
i don't think rockstar/take 2 is worried about negative press if they get greedy with the price. any publicity is good publicity for gta 6 at this point... if there is a game this console generation that commands a higher price it is gta 6 for a myriad of reasons — they will push open world production values, graphics and scope to new levels. there will be a lot of game packed into this package as well so the vlaue will be there.
i would expect a $10USD premium above the norm which would be $79USD for the american market... of course, that doesn't mean this price will be directly converted in every country but it does mean that this game will be more expensive than a typical launch day ps5 game by about 15% no matter which country you live in... and people will gladly pay it. this is a gaming event 13 years in the making with a production cost as high as $2b afterall. they will sell more than 150m copies when all is said and done.
geez. instead of a new trailer, this is what we get? haha this is insane. they really have nothing else to show 5 months away from release? i think it would make a much stronger impression if pre-orders went up after releasing a proper gameplay trailer. BUT, seeing as most gamers buy first, ask questions later, i suppose we got what "we" deserved sadly.
also, its hilarious that people have FOMO for a title that will likely end up selling more than 150m copies... where is this insecurity coming from where someone needs to pre-order this game in the event the game sells out and there are no more discs being pressed? rest assured, this game will have one of the largest print runs in history
i don't know why news outlets parrot bad sources of information even when it makes no sense. it was clear (with basic understanding of the issues at hand) more than a year ago that ps6 was likely not releasing in 2027, yet all the media outlets ran with stories on the contrary. they even gaged fan interest for a new console in the "near future" and the results were abysmal. the fan interest was never there nor does it make sense financially for sony to put out a new console next year if it means the hardware will be absurdly priced and won't sell.
2028 was always the earliest i could see ps6 launching, but 2029 wouldn't surprise me either. we all know sony isn't going to give customers a break and subsidize the hardware like they used to. that means sony has to wait for component prices to fall before ramping up production which could take 18, 24, 30 months... anyone's guess.
exclusive software on ps6 is likely to be non existent, or nearly so, for YEARS after it launches as well... because what publisher would be foolish enough to turn its back on 100m+ ps5 users, especially when the ps6 version will have minimal improvements? there will be very little desire or purpose to own a ps6 until 2031 and onward, when the exclusive software finally begins to trickle in. that is the situation we are in so buckle in and enjoy what you already have. now it is up to the developers to put out a great lineup of software and take advantage of the current hardware because we are far from seeing the peak of what the ps5 can actually do.
looked waaaaay more promising that stranger than heaven. unfortunately, inking a deal with netease was a terrible decision just as predicted. you can't just follow the money... as a producer, you need to do your homework and ensure you are working with people who actually give a damn about your project and won't pull the plug half way into development.
and microsoft will eventually go back to 3 properties — halo, gears and forza — requiring just 3 studios. it is possible that they will publish other games as well, but will not develop them in-house. that should surprise nobody based on their track record. their goal is to become a software publisher and to get out of hardware. i saw the writing on the wall 15 years ago when the x1 bombed. also, it should be noted that the 360 was an anamoly for the company — the stars aligned in such a way that it created a superficial result that lead people to believe that they could compete against sony. if competition means your competitor shoots themselves in the foot and you triple your sales due hardware failure, then sure, microsoft competed
even if we throw them a bone.. microsoft tied sony in 1 console generation and lost 3 console generations by EPIC proportions... that tells me microsoft was never a match for sony so why do some people still believe the idea that xbox would ever amount to more than a distant 3rd place platform? what is happening now is long overdue. the company just delayed the inevitable.
the director of the dmc series left capcom a few years ago so that would potentially delay a new entry. one new game every console cycle is more than enough though... by 2028 would be ideal but anyone's guess if they even started a new entry yet.
seems like many people cannot handle differing opinions on games — probably due to a lack of maturity or intolerance for diverse opinions... maybe stuck in the echochamber for too long? they are right, everyone else is wrong for not liking the same things they do. and no, not everyone disliked the reveal of this game because you play as a female protagonist (sad that has to be said but some people make the most outrageous assumptions). no, it more has to do with the marvel inspired tone of the game and how silly some aspects of it came across in the trailer... and just not being a good fit for the god of war universe 🫢
doing damage control for this game by telling us how "popular" it is via some arbitrary metrics will not change the negative first impression it has had on many people. i cannot see this entry outperforming the previous 2 entries in the series if we are talking sales... i think that much is certain and expected considering how much of a departure it is.
quite deceptive to market this game as a new entry when it is really a retooled mobile game at its core. sounds like it was built with ill intentions in mind and exploiting customers. i don't think they can repurpose it into anything other than a mediocre experience. the sprite work looks nice, but this comes across as a fanservice first game where the story is an afterthought... similar to namco x capcom. it is time to remake ff6 in this style though so the devs can use it as a learning experience if anything.
it is true that nintendo announced a lot of games, but most are ports that will run extremely poor on the switch 2... stellar blade, onimusha and kingdom hearts 4 are simply out of its league and will be crushed in performance metrics with sub 30fps being the norm. it would be foolish to play those versions if another option exists...
@Krlozgod deflecting what is blatently obvious indicates that you are the disturbed one that should be watched very closely. oh, your cult of followers as well
on first impression, i thought it was a 13 year old boy. suffice to say, i don't think the design works, nor is it inspired or memorable. that is quite a contrast to eve in the first game as that design was 95% responsible for the hype and success of the game. this is a 180 degree turn for the dev team and has potential to drastically hurt their sales.
after all this time, all they could do is a splash screen? what an embarassing reveal that was. i am still in disbelief. we will hear more in 2027 and beyond i guess
level of excitement on this is nearly non existent. a persona 1 or 2 remake (especially 2) would get people talking since the vast majority of persona fans haven't played either of them and they are most in need of remakes. the p4 golden remaster from years ago was more than serviceable so this remake comes across as a big shrug. also, new voice acting cast is flat and uninspired next to the OG so that alone could turn people away.
the game already looked bad prior to this, but bringing in tupac is completely disrespectful to his legacy. doesn't matter if his estate signed off on it... they will certainly use AI to voice his character (unless they make him mute or find an imposter???) and i have a feeling tupac wouldn't be cool with this. can't teach people ethics i suppose. this decision should be VERY controversial, but people lose themselves in the hype and have no objectivity or principles.
of all the keighley shows, this might have been one of the best he has ever hosted... and it was completely free of cringey sponsors and ad placements that litter the game awards shows. B+
one of the best trailers at the show. very intriguing and going by ueda's track record, will be yet another memorable experience.
if i had to guess the premise based on the footage... i think the player will excavate ancient robotic parts for the purpose of building a giant? from there, the player will battle other giants who pose as threats or block the path to whatever it is you are trying to achieve? perhaps the player needs to find a way off the planet or restore the world back to its original state?
damage control article. come on now. there is some correlation between the slumping sales and the lack of quality/notable software coming out of the sony factory these days. the games are simply not resonating with the core audience in the same way they did during the ps4 run. yes, many factors at play, but i'd say 50% of the impact is related to the poor software lineup this gen... not just from sony, but the industry at large.
@RagnarLothbrok absolutely. but also all the failed live service projects which amounts to billions in lost revenue. sony made huge mistakes and customers are paying for it. i won't support that.
good! i hope sales continue to fall... not just for sony, but for nintendo as well. from an economics point of view, that is exactly how supply and demand should behave. sony should eat some of the costs rather than push it all on the customer, as they have been doing for some time now. also, this gen doesn't deserve to be in the same conversation as the ps4 or any of sony's other consoles... it really, really doesn't.
we've gone through the motions already for very similar games. it's like deja vu — everything that was shown was something we have seen before, figuratively speaking. there haven't been many "new" experiences all generation to be honest. intergalactic and possibly gta 6 are the only games left that have the potential to subvert expectations of the AAA industry. everything else is just rinse and repeat sequels or remakes. the SOP was just a reflection of the state of the AAA industry... i.e. boring and predictable.
he's right about many aspects of this game... that was a terrible first impression and killed my interest... i'm not alone in that.
it probably won't sell well and be a flop for sony... i don't know how anyone could find that take controversial. people play god of war for kratos and if he is not a prominant character, you are alienating the vast majority of your audience. let's leave it at that.
this game has an identity crisis and took too many cues from marvel which is a big mistake. the tone is all over the place and the jello cube is just... childish and stupid. this could be the nail in the coffin for the franchise if it truly bombs.
god of war should have been given 5-10 years to rest while santa monica works on something new. the fact they have failed to create a new IP multiple times should concern everyone at sony, but instead of coming to terms with the problem and fixing it, they are going to destroy the god of war franchise... good intentions or not.
at most, laufey should have been a $30 DLC — a 10-15 hour side story. that's it.
PS i find it hilarious how angry people are at jaffe's opinions . i mean, some people on here are about to pass out from some harmless comments someone made. you guys sound very toxic and it's all in the name of blind loyalty for a corporation or video game franchise??? very sad indeed. just disagree with him, explain why and move on instead of hating on the guy. it's like a cult in here... yeesh.
so santa monica has given up on making anything that is NOT god of war huh? good luck retaining talent at the studio if you aren't going to allow the talented artists any sense of creative freedom that a new IP would allow. this has gone on for more than 20 years now and has become a real concern. and it's not like the new god of war game even looks half as good as it should... the franchise clearly has an identity crisis at this point and needs to rest for a decade if not longer. this could very well be the nail in the coffin nontheless because i don't think this game will sell even half of what ragnarok did... it has a forspoken and marvel influence all over it — a terrible combination to say the least.
let's see. onimusha and ace combat were the only games that i'd play from that showing. this could be ps5's last full year before the ps6 launches and i'd say it's going out on a whimper, not a bang.
god of war has an identity crisis now. the writing is leaning towards the marvel style which i really don't like. the art direction is all over the place and just looks off. the jello character makes me not want to take any of it seriously and is a bad match for the gow universe. please, put santa monica on a new property ASAP. this is the nail in the coffin for the gow IP.
wolverine looks fine but i have a feeling it will be very button mashy and pose little challenge. also, the blood looks like jelly. it's way too thick and doesn't spatter realistically. considering they created a system just for the blood, i think they failed in that regard.
disappointing show. very few surprises. the new reveals were B level games such as until dawn 2 so not going to make much of an impact.
beautiful game that will never age due to its incredible art direction... but this is probably the most unnecessary "enhanced" edition out there. the game won't look any better than it already does in native 4k. does anyone play games 3 inches away from the tv?
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Re: Reaction: PlayStation's Burned Through the Last Remaining Goodwill of Its Fans
@SuntannedDuck2 i have two ps3 consoles — one is moded and the other isn't. it's not cool that we will one day lose access to our purchases nontheless. also, not everyone is techsavy enough to mod a console and obtain the games... i don't blame people for finding that process intimidating. at any rate, that is besides the point and sony continues its streak of anti-consumer behaviour. the optics for ps6 are abysmal all things considered.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation's Burned Through the Last Remaining Goodwill of Its Fans
@Jade37 "To ease the transition, players will still be able to download previously purchased content after the closing date for the foreseeable future."
are you suggesting that you will be able to download your previous purchases from your "download list" even after the store shuts down? what does foresseable future even mean in this context though? it could be a few months or a year...
anyways, thanks for the clarrification. i assumed that the sony servers would be shut down completely on day one.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation's Burned Through the Last Remaining Goodwill of Its Fans
people are rushing to purchase their games digitally, knowing that they will lose access to them one day. are people really that irrational? the closing of the ps3 store is proof of that. it was available for 20 years and soon it will cease to exist. you will not be able to play your purchased ps3 games ever again unless you download them to a console BEFORE the closure. if your console's hdd fails, you are just out of luck. you can kiss your invstment goodbye. the same thing will occur with your ps4 and ps5 games... one day. people are cool with that?
Re: PlayStation Consoles to Stop Getting Disc-Based Physical Releases in 2028
@NerdyPaul depends how you define "just fine". these companies want to continue to grow their business — they are doing everything in their power to become stagnant and price people out of the hobby. i actually don't see playstation doing well with the ps6... the high cost to entry will likely hurt their hardware sales, reduce their install base and have a negative impact on software creation and revenue generation. across the board, it is going to be really tough on sony. remains to be seen, but optically, everything is looking bad right now.
gta 6 will be the test. many people are going to have a hard time downloading 200GB of data due to a lack of infrastrcuture. publishers leaving money on the table doesn't sound ideal does it?
Re: PlayStation Consoles to Stop Getting Disc-Based Physical Releases in 2028
@AhmadSumadi i read that as: physical games was the last thing keeping those gamers in the ps ecosystem. if sony removes the last feature that was keeping them there, then there is no longer a reason to stick around.
pc offers other benefits that ps lacks and will sway people to jump ship. sony has not accounted for the mess they are creating here. no matter how you look at it and what your own personal preferences are, sony is destined to lose customers and revenue over this move... less revenue means less investment in software and less risks... this is bad for everyone, digital and physical gamers alike. i don't understand the argument of: "well, this doesn't affect me, i have been digital for 10 years already!" (not referring to you, but others i have seen posting). that is an entitled and selfish way of looking at it.
Re: PlayStation Consoles to Stop Getting Disc-Based Physical Releases in 2028
@Cvantez well, yea, they must have done projections on this, but there are always trends that are overlooked or (not) emphasized to please shareholders. until this actually goes into effect for a few years, we won't know the true verdict. sony may in fact come out ahead with this move, but not necessarily. there is one thing that they cannot account for: that is the good will they are losing from their loyal customers. the worst thing that can happen for sony is to lose customers from their ecosystm because that amounts to many game purchases for the lifespan of the console and will be a major revenue loss for them.
sony and othe publishers are approaching gaming as if they have these customers locked in for life. they think we are all zombies that will stick around, no matter the financial cost. that may be true for some, but certainly not all. in the end, i see sony losing money in the years ahead... it has already begun with the high cost of entry of modern gaming.
as a core playstaion gamer since the 90s, i really enjoyed the ps1, ps2, ps3 and ps4 eras... but they lost me with the ps5 generation. i have yet to purchase one due to a myriad of reasons... ps6 is already off to a terrible start to win me over (and presumably millions of others in the same boat).
Re: PlayStation Consoles to Stop Getting Disc-Based Physical Releases in 2028
there is no reason to assume that there won't be an optinal disc drive attachment for ps6 for backwards compatibility at least... we have no confirmation on that.
Re: PlayStation Consoles to Stop Getting Disc-Based Physical Releases in 2028
these companies are going to shoot themselves in the foot for a variety of reasons:
1. playstation doesn't know how much of its software revenue will be impacted by this move. i.e. many people buy physical games cheaper on the used game market, which frees up cash to be spent for digital releases... physical options going away means they will spend less on digital due to their gaming budget being impacted...
2. people lend physical games to their friends as a way to try out the game... that may result in a digital purchase down the line but will no longer be an option now... could result in lost sales...
3. with no other options available to find a "deal" or sell their physical games, many people will buy fewer games across the board, digital or not...
sony's software revenue generation will fall by a large margin... could be anything from 5-25% if i had to guess, especially in markets with lower standard of living and less disposable income...
also, we haven't even gotten into the topic of people with poor internet access and who will simply not be able to download large files... you will cut out another 15% of the market there alone. imagine all the people who want to play gta 6 but can't? that is a lot of people to alienate... are these publishers willing to leave all the money on the table? because i don't think they like that side of this dilemma!
now, sony has no choice but to include a disc drive with the ps6 for b/c of ps5 games at the very least. they will have to respect that much. if they don't, i expect ps6 to sell a fraction of the ps5 (as if the price wasn't already going to sabotage the console anyways haha)
p.s. being at the mercy of psn for ALL OF YOUR PURCHASES will only result in less discounts. you will be paying more on average for all your games. publishers will have less of a reason to put games on sale if you literally have no other choice but to buy digital. i already see tons of games that rarely get price drops.
Re: No Drop-Off in PS5 Demand Despite Price Increases, Says Sony
@sanderson72 for sure. i understand why they don't want to take a hit on the hardware, but if they need to they will. it is simple supply and demand at the end of the day. once the demand slows down, they will have no other choice... i would guess by year 2 of the ps6, they will commit to a price drop whether they like it or not. they will need to grow the install base to generate software revenue since that is their primary focus anyways. right now with the ps5, they have the luxury of having close to 100m users on the platform and can be complacent and anti-consumer, but the ps6 will be a completely different scenario. it should be interesting to see how it all plays out!
Re: No Drop-Off in PS5 Demand Despite Price Increases, Says Sony
@themightyant
the ps5 hardware is now close to 6 years old. 95% of the components of the ps5 are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to manufacture now than they were in 2020. those savings are offsetting a large portion of the increases on RAM and SSD's (keep in mind sony obtains much better pricing on those components than we do as customers so the price increases there are overblown).
now, the MSRP price increases sony has made to PS+ and ps5 hardware over the past several years amounts to more than $200 ($200 on base digital hardware and as much as $40 on PS+ premium).
taking all this into consideration, sony has offset the RAM and SSD increases in many different ways and are not losing money on the hardware by anything even remotely worth talking about. had sony NOT increased the hardware and ps+ costs as many times as they have, then my thoughts on this would be completely different. despite all this, you still think sony is subsidizing ps5 hardware by a significant amount? by how much? there is no evidence of this whatsoever. customers are being taken advantage of in this situation and i'm sorry if you cannot see that.
Re: No Drop-Off in PS5 Demand Despite Price Increases, Says Sony
@themightyant
"As a principle, we do not intend to sell hardware at significant losses"
for the record, the ps5 did not sell at a loss since 2021.
as for the past year or two, how much are they subsidizing the hardware if they keep jacking up the prices? not much. certainly not enough to say they are doing anything substatial to remedy the situation.
do you realize that sony was subsidizing the ps2 hardware by $250 when it launched (with an msrp of $300)? that amounts to nearly 45% of the total cost!
what about ps3? they subsidized the hardware by $300 at launch (with an msrp of $500/600) which amounts to as much as 35% of the total cost.
yea, that's what i'm talking about. if you think sony is subsidizing the ps5 by anything more than 5% currently, even with all the price hikes on customers, you are out of touch. you sound like a corporate apologist, even after everything that has happened. strange take.
Re: No Drop-Off in PS5 Demand Despite Price Increases, Says Sony
sony is lying. pushsquare has been reporting several articles contrary to this and the data proves it. sony being so hellbent as to not subsidize the hardware is ruthless and irresponsible. the shareholders will become impatient once ps6 launches and the sales slump. until then, sony will reach 100m ps5's sold and the software revenue will keep rolling in, keeping investors happy. enjoy it while you can!
everyone knows gta 6 is going to give a boost to hardware sales, but that game is an anomaly and still doesn't explain why hardware sales the past few months were the lowest since the year 2000! how many people will play gta 6, who still do not own a ps5 and will buy one within the first 6 months of the game releasing? that is the question. there could very well could be a boost of 5m consoles sold at the end of this year entirely the result of a single game... that is wild stuff. however, after that surge, sales will take an abrupt turn and go back to normal levels and sony won't be able to use its excuses any longer!
Re: Rumour: PS6 Costs Sony Almost $1,000 to Make Right Now
back to subsidizing the hardware. i look forward to it! sony makes more than enough on the software side of things so there is nothing for them to worry about.
Re: GTA 6 Confirmed to Be an $80 Game
@ColtyRozz we don't know what the ultimate edition includes, but it is likely just cosmetics and currency so no loss there.
Re: GTA 6 Confirmed to Be an $80 Game
no surprise there. i'm glad we can finally put this topic to rest!
p.s. americans don't know how good they have it. $80 for them is $113 for canadians... plus tax! just be grateful that your country has a rigged dollar and everything is still relatively grounded because i assure you, things are far worse for everyone else in the world
Re: GTA 6 Physical Edition Doesn't Come with Discs, It's a Code in the Box
now people will be forced to download a 200GB+ file onto their console. that is going to be a brutal experience for many. this marks the symbolic end to physical media on sony's platforms if one of the most mainstream game releases in history won't even have a physical release. the beginning of the end... this makes the pre-orders even stupider than i initially imagined haha.
Re: 'It May Seem Like We're Only Doing It for Attention': Stranger Than Heaven Dev Discusses Celebrity Castings, Including Tupac
for those who don't know, tupac's estate does not include his family members. somehow, his estate is managed by record producer, tom whalley. tupac's sister is currently in a legal battle with whalley to secure the rights of her brother. i.e. tupac's likeness in this game is being exploited and controlled by shadey individuals and his real family is being excluded. it is likely that tupac's family does not approve of this game at all.
the developers and everyone involved with this project should be ashamed. snoop will do anything for money — no integrity there. what an embarassment. outside of the controversy and ethical concerns, the game looks terrible... rgg is clearly beginning its decline...
Re: Valve's New Steam Machine Costs Almost Twice as Much as a PS5
second time in 10 years a steam machine will release dead on arrival
most people don't even remember valve's first attempt because it failed so badly.
Re: Rumour: GTA 6 Price Potentially Leaked by European Retailer
i don't think rockstar/take 2 is worried about negative press if they get greedy with the price. any publicity is good publicity for gta 6 at this point... if there is a game this console generation that commands a higher price it is gta 6 for a myriad of reasons — they will push open world production values, graphics and scope to new levels. there will be a lot of game packed into this package as well so the vlaue will be there.
i would expect a $10USD premium above the norm which would be $79USD for the american market... of course, that doesn't mean this price will be directly converted in every country but it does mean that this game will be more expensive than a typical launch day ps5 game by about 15% no matter which country you live in... and people will gladly pay it. this is a gaming event 13 years in the making with a production cost as high as $2b afterall. they will sell more than 150m copies when all is said and done.
Re: GTA 6 PS5 Pre-Orders Open on 25th June, Cover Art Revealed
geez. instead of a new trailer, this is what we get? haha this is insane. they really have nothing else to show 5 months away from release? i think it would make a much stronger impression if pre-orders went up after releasing a proper gameplay trailer. BUT, seeing as most gamers buy first, ask questions later, i suppose we got what "we" deserved sadly.
also, its hilarious that people have FOMO for a title that will likely end up selling more than 150m copies... where is this insecurity coming from where someone needs to pre-order this game in the event the game sells out and there are no more discs being pressed? rest assured, this game will have one of the largest print runs in history
Re: 'Some Analysts Believe Sony Is Considering Pushing the PS6 Back': Embracer Report Hints at Later Than 2027 Launch
here we go again...
i don't know why news outlets parrot bad sources of information even when it makes no sense. it was clear (with basic understanding of the issues at hand) more than a year ago that ps6 was likely not releasing in 2027, yet all the media outlets ran with stories on the contrary. they even gaged fan interest for a new console in the "near future" and the results were abysmal. the fan interest was never there nor does it make sense financially for sony to put out a new console next year if it means the hardware will be absurdly priced and won't sell.
2028 was always the earliest i could see ps6 launching, but 2029 wouldn't surprise me either. we all know sony isn't going to give customers a break and subsidize the hardware like they used to. that means sony has to wait for component prices to fall before ramping up production which could take 18, 24, 30 months... anyone's guess.
exclusive software on ps6 is likely to be non existent, or nearly so, for YEARS after it launches as well... because what publisher would be foolish enough to turn its back on 100m+ ps5 users, especially when the ps6 version will have minimal improvements? there will be very little desire or purpose to own a ps6 until 2031 and onward, when the exclusive software finally begins to trickle in. that is the situation we are in so buckle in and enjoy what you already have. now it is up to the developers to put out a great lineup of software and take advantage of the current hardware because we are far from seeing the peak of what the ps5 can actually do.
Re: Yakuza Creator's Gang of Dragon PS5 Game Really Does Seem Dead
looked waaaaay more promising that stranger than heaven. unfortunately, inking a deal with netease was a terrible decision just as predicted. you can't just follow the money... as a producer, you need to do your homework and ensure you are working with people who actually give a damn about your project and won't pull the plug half way into development.
Re: 'There Are Other Xbox Studios in Trouble': Ominous Reports as Microsoft 'Bloodbath' Looms
and microsoft will eventually go back to 3 properties — halo, gears and forza — requiring just 3 studios. it is possible that they will publish other games as well, but will not develop them in-house. that should surprise nobody based on their track record. their goal is to become a software publisher and to get out of hardware. i saw the writing on the wall 15 years ago when the x1 bombed. also, it should be noted that the 360 was an anamoly for the company — the stars aligned in such a way that it created a superficial result that lead people to believe that they could compete against sony. if competition means your competitor shoots themselves in the foot and you triple your sales due hardware failure, then sure, microsoft competed
even if we throw them a bone.. microsoft tied sony in 1 console generation and lost 3 console generations by EPIC proportions... that tells me microsoft was never a match for sony so why do some people still believe the idea that xbox would ever amount to more than a distant 3rd place platform? what is happening now is long overdue. the company just delayed the inevitable.
Re: Persona 4 Fans Torn Over Remake's Totally New English Voice Cast
it's a dealbreaker. the new cast sounds abysmal. maybe they relied on AI as well...
Re: Devil May Cry 6 Feels Inevitable as DMC 5 Sales Set All-Time Record, Seven Years After Release
the director of the dmc series left capcom a few years ago so that would potentially delay a new entry. one new game every console cycle is more than enough though... by 2028 would be ideal but anyone's guess if they even started a new entry yet.
Re: PS5's God of War Laufey Dominated Summer Game Fest
@Imaculado_Lord i'm dealing with it just fine, thanks. you're the one who is having the hard time here.
Re: PS5's God of War Laufey Dominated Summer Game Fest
seems like many people cannot handle differing opinions on games — probably due to a lack of maturity or intolerance for diverse opinions... maybe stuck in the echochamber for too long? they are right, everyone else is wrong for not liking the same things they do. and no, not everyone disliked the reveal of this game because you play as a female protagonist (sad that has to be said but some people make the most outrageous assumptions). no, it more has to do with the marvel inspired tone of the game and how silly some aspects of it came across in the trailer... and just not being a good fit for the god of war universe 🫢
doing damage control for this game by telling us how "popular" it is via some arbitrary metrics will not change the negative first impression it has had on many people. i cannot see this entry outperforming the previous 2 entries in the series if we are talking sales... i think that much is certain and expected considering how much of a departure it is.
Re: A Brand New Final Fantasy RPG Has Been Announced for PS5
quite deceptive to market this game as a new entry when it is really a retooled mobile game at its core. sounds like it was built with ill intentions in mind and exploiting customers. i don't think they can repurpose it into anything other than a mediocre experience. the sprite work looks nice, but this comes across as a fanservice first game where the story is an afterthought... similar to namco x capcom. it is time to remake ff6 in this style though so the devs can use it as a learning experience if anything.
Re: Kingdom Hearts 4 Magically Returns in New PS5 Gameplay Trailer
it is true that nintendo announced a lot of games, but most are ports that will run extremely poor on the switch 2... stellar blade, onimusha and kingdom hearts 4 are simply out of its league and will be crushed in performance metrics with sub 30fps being the norm. it would be foolish to play those versions if another option exists...
Re: Classic Action RPG Tales of Eternia Is the Series' Next Remaster, Enhanced on PS5
why did they skip Tales of Phantasia and Tales of Destiny? truly strange to not remaster those first in an "origins" collection of sorts.
Re: Stellar Blade Dev Explains New Hero Design, Praises Sony's Publishing Support
@Krlozgod deflecting what is blatently obvious indicates that you are the disturbed one that should be watched very closely. oh, your cult of followers as well
Re: Stellar Blade Dev Explains New Hero Design, Praises Sony's Publishing Support
on first impression, i thought it was a 13 year old boy. suffice to say, i don't think the design works, nor is it inspired or memorable. that is quite a contrast to eve in the first game as that design was 95% responsible for the hype and success of the game. this is a 180 degree turn for the dev team and has potential to drastically hurt their sales.
Re: Persona 6 Finally Announced for PS5 with a Surprisingly Dark Reveal
after all this time, all they could do is a splash screen? what an embarassing reveal that was. i am still in disbelief. we will hear more in 2027 and beyond i guess
Re: Persona 4 Revival Includes P4G Content, Confirms February 2027 Release Date on PS5
level of excitement on this is nearly non existent. a persona 1 or 2 remake (especially 2) would get people talking since the vast majority of persona fans haven't played either of them and they are most in need of remakes. the p4 golden remaster from years ago was more than serviceable so this remake comes across as a big shrug. also, new voice acting cast is flat and uninspired next to the OG so that alone could turn people away.
Re: Rumour: Gears of War: E-Day Was Coming to PS5, Xbox Only Just Cancelled Port
never played a gears game in my life. i'll likely keep it that way.
Re: Stranger Than Heaven Confirms January 2027 Release Date and... Tupac
the game already looked bad prior to this, but bringing in tupac is completely disrespectful to his legacy. doesn't matter if his estate signed off on it... they will certainly use AI to voice his character (unless they make him mute or find an imposter???) and i have a feeling tupac wouldn't be cool with this. can't teach people ethics i suppose. this decision should be VERY controversial, but people lose themselves in the hype and have no objectivity or principles.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced at Summer Game Fest 2026?
of all the keighley shows, this might have been one of the best he has ever hosted... and it was completely free of cringey sponsors and ad placements that litter the game awards shows. B+
Re: Gen Atlas Is ICO, The Last Guardian Creator's Next Game
one of the best trailers at the show. very intriguing and going by ueda's track record, will be yet another memorable experience.
if i had to guess the premise based on the footage... i think the player will excavate ancient robotic parts for the purpose of building a giant? from there, the player will battle other giants who pose as threats or block the path to whatever it is you are trying to achieve? perhaps the player needs to find a way off the planet or restore the world back to its original state?
Re: God of War Laufey Voted Best PS5 Game at State of Play
gow winning the poll speaks to the quality of titles featured at the show.
Re: PS5 First-Party Sales Have Fallen Sharply, But It Doesn't Tell the Full Story
damage control article. come on now. there is some correlation between the slumping sales and the lack of quality/notable software coming out of the sony factory these days. the games are simply not resonating with the core audience in the same way they did during the ps4 run. yes, many factors at play, but i'd say 50% of the impact is related to the poor software lineup this gen... not just from sony, but the industry at large.
Re: PS5 Price Hike Has Flushed UK Hardware Sales Down the Toilet
@RagnarLothbrok absolutely. but also all the failed live service projects which amounts to billions in lost revenue. sony made huge mistakes and customers are paying for it. i won't support that.
Re: PS5 Price Hike Has Flushed UK Hardware Sales Down the Toilet
@Fandabidozi2025 that sounds like the most rational thing to do. i've been on that boat since 2020 and still have a long ways to go on the backlog
Re: PS5 Price Hike Has Flushed UK Hardware Sales Down the Toilet
good! i hope sales continue to fall... not just for sony, but for nintendo as well. from an economics point of view, that is exactly how supply and demand should behave. sony should eat some of the costs rather than push it all on the customer, as they have been doing for some time now. also, this gen doesn't deserve to be in the same conversation as the ps4 or any of sony's other consoles... it really, really doesn't.
Re: 'One of the Best Showcases I've Seen': 70% of PS5 Fans Loved State of Play
we've gone through the motions already for very similar games. it's like deja vu — everything that was shown was something we have seen before, figuratively speaking. there haven't been many "new" experiences all generation to be honest. intergalactic and possibly gta 6 are the only games left that have the potential to subvert expectations of the AAA industry. everything else is just rinse and repeat sequels or remakes. the SOP was just a reflection of the state of the AAA industry... i.e. boring and predictable.
Re: 'That Looks Like Sh*t': God of War Creator Predictably Tears New PS5 Game to Shreds
he's right about many aspects of this game... that was a terrible first impression and killed my interest... i'm not alone in that.
it probably won't sell well and be a flop for sony... i don't know how anyone could find that take controversial. people play god of war for kratos and if he is not a prominant character, you are alienating the vast majority of your audience. let's leave it at that.
this game has an identity crisis and took too many cues from marvel which is a big mistake. the tone is all over the place and the jello cube is just... childish and stupid. this could be the nail in the coffin for the franchise if it truly bombs.
god of war should have been given 5-10 years to rest while santa monica works on something new. the fact they have failed to create a new IP multiple times should concern everyone at sony, but instead of coming to terms with the problem and fixing it, they are going to destroy the god of war franchise... good intentions or not.
at most, laufey should have been a $30 DLC — a 10-15 hour side story. that's it.
PS i find it hilarious how angry people are at jaffe's opinions . i mean, some people on here are about to pass out from some harmless comments someone made. you guys sound very toxic and it's all in the name of blind loyalty for a corporation or video game franchise??? very sad indeed. just disagree with him, explain why and move on instead of hating on the guy. it's like a cult in here... yeesh.
Re: Cory Barlog Now Head of Creative at God of War Dev, Guiding the Long-Term Vision of the Series
@Enuo anyone who dislikes the first look of this game is an insufferable prick? you might be the one with the problem.
Re: Cory Barlog Now Head of Creative at God of War Dev, Guiding the Long-Term Vision of the Series
so santa monica has given up on making anything that is NOT god of war huh? good luck retaining talent at the studio if you aren't going to allow the talented artists any sense of creative freedom that a new IP would allow. this has gone on for more than 20 years now and has become a real concern. and it's not like the new god of war game even looks half as good as it should... the franchise clearly has an identity crisis at this point and needs to rest for a decade if not longer. this could very well be the nail in the coffin nontheless because i don't think this game will sell even half of what ragnarok did... it has a forspoken and marvel influence all over it — a terrible combination to say the least.
Re: Poll: How Would You Rate State of Play for June 2026?
let's see. onimusha and ace combat were the only games that i'd play from that showing. this could be ps5's last full year before the ps6 launches and i'd say it's going out on a whimper, not a bang.
god of war has an identity crisis now. the writing is leaning towards the marvel style which i really don't like. the art direction is all over the place and just looks off. the jello character makes me not want to take any of it seriously and is a bad match for the gow universe. please, put santa monica on a new property ASAP. this is the nail in the coffin for the gow IP.
wolverine looks fine but i have a feeling it will be very button mashy and pose little challenge. also, the blood looks like jelly. it's way too thick and doesn't spatter realistically. considering they created a system just for the blood, i think they failed in that regard.
disappointing show. very few surprises. the new reveals were B level games such as until dawn 2 so not going to make much of an impact.
Re: Rayman Leaks Just Won't Stop, Xbox Outs 4K Edition of Origins
beautiful game that will never age due to its incredible art direction... but this is probably the most unnecessary "enhanced" edition out there. the game won't look any better than it already does in native 4k. does anyone play games 3 inches away from the tv?
Re: Rumour: Persona 6 Protagonist Leaks Catch Fans Off Guard, Reveal Whispers Intensify
looks amature. fake for sure.