Given the pricing info on the series S coming out today at $299 - Sony needs to communicate (perhaps over communicate) that the PS5 digital is not the same kind of system as the Series S. And that comes down to price too. Pricing their two SKUs at $100 apart would be a mistake. Pricing the PS5 at the same price point as the Series X would also be a mistake. Therefore, I think Sony's play here is - PS5 = $449 and PS5 digital = $399.
I think this is wise. For a yearly game to try to do a game that straddles the line between generations has always been peculiar. I bought NHL 15 for PS4. Compared to its PS3 counterpart it was fairly stripped down. Although it looked prettier. Still - I felt like I got half a game. Good move! Wait till next year to nail NHL 22
I'm about 98% sure that if the situation was in reverse and Xbox had 9 exclusive software IPs that could only be played on the Xbox Series X - He'd probably think differently about what gaming is about.
We live in a world of vitriol. If you don't like something - you trash it. If you REALLY don't like it, you tell everyone they are stupid for liking it. If you are halfway intelligent and can put some sentences together - you do this with as much convincing logic as you can. It is thought police either way. You aren't allowed to think this way, say this, etc.
The developers at ND are well within their rights to make whatever game, with whatever themes, and do whatever they will with their characters.
BUT - if developers are allowed to do that - then so are anyone on the internet allowed to reject those themes, and poor handling of characters.
The bottom line is - either everyone is allowed the freedom to choose what they think is best - or no one is. You can't have something in the middle.
If ND wanted all roses and platitudes, they made the wrong game.
See for me, 50 wouldn't be enough to give great incentive to buy it. I'd spring for the disc version just for the sake of flexibility. But maybe that is Sony's plan. Push people toward one particular SKU with another?
Am I the only one blaming all this on Sony? As much as this comment does seem to be VERY positive for Sony - If it is true, Sony stands to gain nothing yet from this being revealed at this time. If I was Sony and my system was practically more advanced and better to program on than the competition... I would want that information as well as direct comparisons such as how fast it suspends multiple games... saved until the last moment. Then reveal that my system is $100 cheaper and let the good times roll.
The biggest thing here is support. The likelihood that people still own PS1 games is fairly small. I consider myself to be a pretty big Sony fan, but my PS1 collection is fairly small.
But if they are able to emulate these games and sell them at an acceptable price (like 20 games for $10) - backward compatibility will be much more worthy of being called a selling point. If it is only available for those who have the discs still, I don't think it actually matters much.
Although it is probably a flaw of mine, I have found that I rarely embrace DLC even if I loved the game.
I loved Bloodborne. I mean... LOVED IT! Couldn't get enough. Platinumed it. I bought the Old Hunters DLC. Never finished it. I bought the complete edition of Fallout 4. Loved it. Platinumed it. Still haven't played the DLC.
However - things like Dishonored (Dishonoured - you're welcome ya Brits) with death of the outsider and Uncharted: Lost Legacy - I completed or platinumed these.
Moral of the story for me - I'd rather have a significant stand alone DLC than several piecemeal offerings.
The only exception in recent history was Spider-Man. But looking back on it, I'm not sure I actually enjoyed the DLC that much... hmm...
PS5 will release with Full support for backward compatable games from PS1-PS4 era.
However, it will not simply be (what you own will be playable)
Basically owning a PS5 and PS plus with PS5 will come with a PSnow sub. That PSnow sub will include the entire digital library of Playstation extending as far back as PS1. There will obviously be some games missing from that lineup - and there may be a price hike to include that... but that is my prediction.
With PS5 on the horizon, I think it would be quite fair at the current price point to offer 1 PS4 game every other month and 1 PS5 game every other month, along with an automatic subscription to PS Now.
Right now they are boasting over 700 games on Now. Give PS Plus subscribers access to Now and then focus on the games you give through the subscription being top tier releases. In this model they would only be giving out 6 PS4 games and 6 Ps5 games a year, enabling them to spend a little more money to developers and get those better games. But it would also open the floodgates to hundreds more games that PS plus subscribers would not have had access to.
I feel like this article should have been posted a week from today. I have personally never played either of them. I have only seen videos of their gameplay. I have heard mixed reviews. So asking me if I am happy with them is... premature?
I mean, don't judge a book by its pushsquare review right?
The message coming out of that E3 (you know which one it was) was that Xbox requires an always connected system that tracks DRM in a new way. Sony said, we are giving you what we always have only better. How did that turn out again?
Xbox is fighting from behind trying to recoup what they lost in their messaging. (btw I still run into non-gamers or non-this gen holders that think Xbox still requires all this)
Google already has a PR problem since they obviously and intentionally spy on people... and now they are going to have an online only always connected streaming game system...
Include PS Now subscription as part of your PS Plus Subscription. If you did that, You could almost go down to 1 game given a month since you have access to hundreds of games - and you can download them too...
@Paranoimia Exactly - I think going to a recommend to not recommend scoring system with various levels in-between, establishes a better system than trying to rank the game. In other words you go from saying - is the game good to saying is the game worth buying.
Some games that are artistically good, are BOOOOORING
@Shepherd_Tallon My point would be that recommending bad games and not recommending good games would lead you to not trust that particular site... which is really the point isn't it. Going to a recommend or not recommend with various levels within that makes the trustability of the particular site so important.
@madcow78 This actually communicates my point. When you go to a system of recommend or not recommend, you start learning who to trust and not to trust. I don't think you really get that with a 1-10 model
What is the point of a review score? Why do them? According to pushsquare it is:
"Our belief has always been that if review scores help you, our audience, decide on whether to purchase a game..."
Which means than a 1-10 ranking system absolutely irrelevant and makes it incredibly difficult to decide what is what.
For instance - A 6/10 is 60% of the points that were achievable. This, in most places of education is a failing grade. In baseball if someone hits 60% of the time, they are an amazing hitter. So what does a 60% mean in the game reviewing world? And how does that accomplish the goal of informing gamers of whether they should purchase or not.
I know there have been some 6/10 games that I have purchased and loved. And 6/10 even on this site isn't that bad of a score... BUT I think it is at best uncertain what a 6/10 means because it is up to the interpreter of that score.
So what if you went to something like the following:
Waste of money Purchase or rent at your own risk Maybe rent it first You should own it eventually Must own it soon Day 1 purchase
What this does is establishes a reputation for pushsquare. Now this is risky, but if I purchase games that you say I should or must own and I love them... I am going to trust that endorsement way more than a ambiguous scoring system.
If you raised a following for PS4 that you are proud of - why not reward those folks by saying - "Hey consolidate by buying this new shiny box. It plays those games and so much more!"
Cross play is great. It should happen. But not with 3 separate networks. The only real way to make this work is if the three got together to form some sort of xbox, nintendo, sony network together. All three companies manage and agree to terms in how it is run and reap a 1/3 share each of the profit from the service. That way you could play Fortnite or others on the cross play network or the PSN (XBL etc) I see this as an addition to PS Plus and Xbox live - There would be a 1 time fee - perhaps even per game - giving you a ticket to play on the cross-play network. This would make sure competition is still necessary in that you still have to produce a quality system and a quality network for your console - but also it allows for cross play where all companies benefit from it.
That is really the only way I see this happening in the near future. At least while there is a clear winner in the market share
@KirbyTheVampire With a name like that I'd expect you to jump right in.
I rarely pre-order. But even if the combat is not polished - I know this developer can write a story. It is a balance of course but a good narrative can cover up many gameplay flaws.
That is why The order was only so so - average gameplay and the story was... also average.
All I got out of it is that the presentation will be more focused this year on a handful of exclusives to PS4. In other words - if you came here looking for big time 3rd party reveals... this is not the show you're looking for.
EDIT: After reading the other article about 3rd parties and indies being there... Count me confused also
I have long beleived that we would see the divide between PC and console diminish which would eventually culminate in a console that could be upgraded. This would extend the life of the console - and if you do it right - you can make it simple even for non-computer-literate people. "Simply plug this $100 part into your system and double your graphical capabilities. Need a better wifi adapter? Spend $50, plug it into this port and away you go. More ram -insert here for $80." etc. This could extend the life of the console into the double digits of years.
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Re: Reaction: PS5 Price Under Scrutiny After Disruptive Xbox Series S Reveal
PS5 = $449
Digital = $399
Communicates clearly that the S is not in the same league as the digital and undercuts the X price.
Re: Poll: How Much Are You Willing to Pay for PS5?
Given the pricing info on the series S coming out today at $299 - Sony needs to communicate (perhaps over communicate) that the PS5 digital is not the same kind of system as the Series S. And that comes down to price too. Pricing their two SKUs at $100 apart would be a mistake. Pricing the PS5 at the same price point as the Series X would also be a mistake. Therefore, I think Sony's play here is - PS5 = $449 and PS5 digital = $399.
Re: Hands On: NHL 21 Is Looking a Lot Like a Hockey Game
I think this is wise. For a yearly game to try to do a game that straddles the line between generations has always been peculiar. I bought NHL 15 for PS4. Compared to its PS3 counterpart it was fairly stripped down. Although it looked prettier. Still - I felt like I got half a game. Good move! Wait till next year to nail NHL 22
Re: Xbox Boss Implies PS5 Exclusives Are 'Counter to What Gaming Is About'
I'm about 98% sure that if the situation was in reverse and Xbox had 9 exclusive software IPs that could only be played on the Xbox Series X - He'd probably think differently about what gaming is about.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Director Discusses Online Vitriol
We live in a world of vitriol. If you don't like something - you trash it. If you REALLY don't like it, you tell everyone they are stupid for liking it. If you are halfway intelligent and can put some sentences together - you do this with as much convincing logic as you can. It is thought police either way. You aren't allowed to think this way, say this, etc.
The developers at ND are well within their rights to make whatever game, with whatever themes, and do whatever they will with their characters.
BUT - if developers are allowed to do that - then so are anyone on the internet allowed to reject those themes, and poor handling of characters.
The bottom line is - either everyone is allowed the freedom to choose what they think is best - or no one is. You can't have something in the middle.
If ND wanted all roses and platitudes, they made the wrong game.
Re: Report: PS5's Price Could Be $50 Cheaper if You Go for the Digital Edition
See for me, 50 wouldn't be enough to give great incentive to buy it. I'd spring for the disc version just for the sake of flexibility. But maybe that is Sony's plan. Push people toward one particular SKU with another?
Re: Rumour: PS5 Will Have Shorter Supply Than PS4 at Launch, Delay Unlikely with High Price
This smells fishy to me. I will believe it when I see It.
I cannot imagine Sony doing this. With the success of the PS4 - even if they have to take a loss - they will.
Re: PS5 Praise from Crytek Developer Retracted After Calling It the Better Next-Gen Console
Commenting after the update:
Am I the only one blaming all this on Sony? As much as this comment does seem to be VERY positive for Sony - If it is true, Sony stands to gain nothing yet from this being revealed at this time. If I was Sony and my system was practically more advanced and better to program on than the competition... I would want that information as well as direct comparisons such as how fast it suspends multiple games... saved until the last moment. Then reveal that my system is $100 cheaper and let the good times roll.
I think this is Sony's doing to hush this up.
Re: Roller Champions Officially Confirmed for PS4 in Developer Update Video
"The uploader has not made this video available in your country."
Re: PS Plus March 2020 PS4 Games Reveal Is the Service's Most Liked Tweet of All Time
@M1359 @Deadlyblack I still remember playing bloodborne each early morning with my daughter asleep on my chest. She is 5 now. Wow!
Re: PS Plus March 2020 PS4 Games Reveal Is the Service's Most Liked Tweet of All Time
I mean... was it a good month? Sure! Worthy of the most likes the service has every gotten? Eh.
Maybe its Russian bots?
Re: The Last of Us 2 Is Set to Be Naughty Dog's Most Mature Game to Date
Count me out then.
Re: Poll: How Much Does PS5 Backwards Compatibility Matter to You?
The biggest thing here is support. The likelihood that people still own PS1 games is fairly small. I consider myself to be a pretty big Sony fan, but my PS1 collection is fairly small.
But if they are able to emulate these games and sell them at an acceptable price (like 20 games for $10) - backward compatibility will be much more worthy of being called a selling point. If it is only available for those who have the discs still, I don't think it actually matters much.
Re: Control DLC Is Heavily Discounted Before Any Content Is Released
Although it is probably a flaw of mine, I have found that I rarely embrace DLC even if I loved the game.
I loved Bloodborne. I mean... LOVED IT! Couldn't get enough. Platinumed it. I bought the Old Hunters DLC. Never finished it. I bought the complete edition of Fallout 4. Loved it. Platinumed it. Still haven't played the DLC.
However - things like Dishonored (Dishonoured - you're welcome ya Brits) with death of the outsider and Uncharted: Lost Legacy - I completed or platinumed these.
Moral of the story for me - I'd rather have a significant stand alone DLC than several piecemeal offerings.
The only exception in recent history was Spider-Man. But looking back on it, I'm not sure I actually enjoyed the DLC that much... hmm...
Re: Talking Point: What if the PS5 Could Play Games from Every PlayStation Console?
Here is my official prediction.
PS5 will release with Full support for backward compatable games from PS1-PS4 era.
However, it will not simply be (what you own will be playable)
Basically owning a PS5 and PS plus with PS5 will come with a PSnow sub. That PSnow sub will include the entire digital library of Playstation extending as far back as PS1. There will obviously be some games missing from that lineup - and there may be a price hike to include that... but that is my prediction.
Re: PS Now Prices Permanently Dropped Worldwide, Game Rotation to Add New Blockbusters Every Month
Next step is Ps Plus and Ps Now combined into one service for $99.99 or $109.99 a year
Re: PS5 Devkit Design Leaks, Already in Studios' Hands
Is it just me, or does it look like it could possibly include a projector of some kind?
Re: July 2019's PlayStation Plus Games Are Available to Download Now on PS4
@AdamNovice I agree. We live in an entitled age anyway. Looking at you sonic...
This will only fuel the flame.
Announce it, defend it, take your lumps, make it better next time.
Backtracking only makes it worse.
Re: July 2019's PlayStation Plus Games Are Available to Download Now on PS4
@get2sammyb Why didn't they do PES and Detroit. Seemed like everyone was kind - meh on PES and NO!!! on HCT. Ah well.
Re: July 2019's PlayStation Plus Games Are Available to Download Now on PS4
@ILoveVideoGames Same HERE!!! But... I did NOT buy the digital deluxe edition. So maybe I can snag heavy rain too
Re: Talking Point: PlayStation Plus Is in Desperate Need of an Overhaul
With PS5 on the horizon, I think it would be quite fair at the current price point to offer 1 PS4 game every other month and 1 PS5 game every other month, along with an automatic subscription to PS Now.
Right now they are boasting over 700 games on Now. Give PS Plus subscribers access to Now and then focus on the games you give through the subscription being top tier releases. In this model they would only be giving out 6 PS4 games and 6 Ps5 games a year, enabling them to spend a little more money to developers and get those better games. But it would also open the floodgates to hundreds more games that PS plus subscribers would not have had access to.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Games for April 2019?
I feel like this article should have been posted a week from today. I have personally never played either of them. I have only seen videos of their gameplay. I have heard mixed reviews. So asking me if I am happy with them is... premature?
I mean, don't judge a book by its pushsquare review right?
Re: Google Poised to Announce Potential PlayStation Competitor
The message coming out of that E3 (you know which one it was) was that Xbox requires an always connected system that tracks DRM in a new way. Sony said, we are giving you what we always have only better. How did that turn out again?
Xbox is fighting from behind trying to recoup what they lost in their messaging. (btw I still run into non-gamers or non-this gen holders that think Xbox still requires all this)
Google already has a PR problem since they obviously and intentionally spy on people... and now they are going to have an online only always connected streaming game system...
Seems like a bad move to me.
Re: Poll: Do You Feel Ripped Off by PS Plus' Recent Changes?
My other vote for improvement was :
Include PS Now subscription as part of your PS Plus Subscription. If you did that, You could almost go down to 1 game given a month since you have access to hundreds of games - and you can download them too...
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Far Cry Game to Be Announced at The Game Awards 2018
"The uploader has not made this video available in your country."
And I thought we were past all that colony revolution stuff...
Re: Poll: If PSN Name Changes Are Really Happening, Will You Change Yours?
My reason for changing isn't that glorious.
When I created my PSN ID, I didn't realize you could capitalize the letters.
So my username will simply capitalize my first letter.
Re: Poll: Do We Still Need Review Scores?
@Kidfried But it would be better I think if there were more options than just buy or not buy. See my post
Re: Poll: Do We Still Need Review Scores?
@Paranoimia Exactly - I think going to a recommend to not recommend scoring system with various levels in-between, establishes a better system than trying to rank the game. In other words you go from saying - is the game good to saying is the game worth buying.
Some games that are artistically good, are BOOOOORING
Re: Poll: Do We Still Need Review Scores?
@Shepherd_Tallon My point would be that recommending bad games and not recommending good games would lead you to not trust that particular site... which is really the point isn't it. Going to a recommend or not recommend with various levels within that makes the trustability of the particular site so important.
Re: Poll: Do We Still Need Review Scores?
@madcow78 This actually communicates my point. When you go to a system of recommend or not recommend, you start learning who to trust and not to trust. I don't think you really get that with a 1-10 model
Re: Poll: Do We Still Need Review Scores?
What is the point of a review score? Why do them? According to pushsquare it is:
"Our belief has always been that if review scores help you, our audience, decide on whether to purchase a game..."
Which means than a 1-10 ranking system absolutely irrelevant and makes it incredibly difficult to decide what is what.
For instance - A 6/10 is 60% of the points that were achievable. This, in most places of education is a failing grade. In baseball if someone hits 60% of the time, they are an amazing hitter. So what does a 60% mean in the game reviewing world? And how does that accomplish the goal of informing gamers of whether they should purchase or not.
I know there have been some 6/10 games that I have purchased and loved. And 6/10 even on this site isn't that bad of a score... BUT I think it is at best uncertain what a 6/10 means because it is up to the interpreter of that score.
So what if you went to something like the following:
Waste of money
Purchase or rent at your own risk
Maybe rent it first
You should own it eventually
Must own it soon
Day 1 purchase
What this does is establishes a reputation for pushsquare. Now this is risky, but if I purchase games that you say I should or must own and I love them... I am going to trust that endorsement way more than a ambiguous scoring system.
Re: PlayStation Plus September 2018 Games Announced
@RogerRoger @Ralizah Fair enough. To each their own. Better luck next month then.
Re: PlayStation Plus September 2018 Games Announced
Amazing month.
Re: PlayStation Plus September 2018 Games Announced
@Ralizah are you joking? Or do you own them all?
Re: Feature: The Promising PS4 Games of August 2018
Strange Brigade was top on my list, till I found out the co-op wasn't couch... online only
what year is it?
Re: Sony: We Haven't Forgotten Why the PS4 Was Successful
@sanderson72 This seems like a no brainer to me.
If you raised a following for PS4 that you are proud of - why not reward those folks by saying - "Hey consolidate by buying this new shiny box. It plays those games and so much more!"
Re: Ratchet & Clank's PS4 Remake Is Insomniac's Most Successful Ever Game
So... the lesson is.
Make another dang R&C game so I can give you my money...
Re: Talking Point: How Much Does Cross-Play Matter to You?
Cross play is great. It should happen. But not with 3 separate networks. The only real way to make this work is if the three got together to form some sort of xbox, nintendo, sony network together. All three companies manage and agree to terms in how it is run and reap a 1/3 share each of the profit from the service. That way you could play Fortnite or others on the cross play network or the PSN (XBL etc) I see this as an addition to PS Plus and Xbox live - There would be a 1 time fee - perhaps even per game - giving you a ticket to play on the cross-play network. This would make sure competition is still necessary in that you still have to produce a quality system and a quality network for your console - but also it allows for cross play where all companies benefit from it.
That is really the only way I see this happening in the near future. At least while there is a clear winner in the market share
Re: Sony's Days of Play Offer Begins Today With Huge PS Store Sale
For all my fellow colony dwellers - US store has not updated yet.
Re: E3 2018: Avalanche Studios Announces Generation Zero for PS4
@MattSilverado I was thinking the exact same thing. Glad I read the comments before trying to steal your thunder
Re: Feature: The Promising PS4 Games of June 2018
@BAMozzy That is true. I absolutely loved The Order: 1886. It was only average, but cool. But I only paid $10 for it
Re: Feature: The Promising PS4 Games of June 2018
@BAMozzy Some of the best games i've played have been sale buys. Good luck!
Re: Feature: The Promising PS4 Games of June 2018
@BAMozzy $47.99 on amazon if you are a prime member. (NA obviously - not sure about across the pond)
Re: Moody Action RPG Vampyr Goes Gold Ahead of Release Next Month
@KirbyTheVampire With a name like that I'd expect you to jump right in.
I rarely pre-order. But even if the combat is not polished - I know this developer can write a story. It is a balance of course but a good narrative can cover up many gameplay flaws.
That is why The order was only so so - average gameplay and the story was... also average.
Re: Moody Action RPG Vampyr Goes Gold Ahead of Release Next Month
If you are a prime member (NA) there is a coupon for pre-ordering. Currently price is $47.99
Re: Moody Action RPG Vampyr Goes Gold Ahead of Release Next Month
@jdv95 uh... ehem... vampyrs
Re: Live Audience Will Be Present for Sony's E3 2018 Showcase
All I got out of it is that the presentation will be more focused this year on a handful of exclusives to PS4. In other words - if you came here looking for big time 3rd party reveals... this is not the show you're looking for.
EDIT: After reading the other article about 3rd parties and indies being there... Count me confused also
Re: Rumour: Alleged PlayStation 5 Details Make Their Way Online
I have long beleived that we would see the divide between PC and console diminish which would eventually culminate in a console that could be upgraded. This would extend the life of the console - and if you do it right - you can make it simple even for non-computer-literate people. "Simply plug this $100 part into your system and double your graphical capabilities. Need a better wifi adapter? Spend $50, plug it into this port and away you go. More ram -insert here for $80." etc. This could extend the life of the console into the double digits of years.
Re: PS4's TV and Video Interface Revamped in the United States
Before to scroll to Netflix I simply had to push down and press X. Now I have to press X - wait 3 seconds and then push X again. My life is unchanged.
I wouldn't say this makes my life easier.
Re: Injustice 2 Legendary Edition Bundles All DLC, Launches in March on PS4
So how is this different than the Ultimate edition? Darkseid? Is that it? A $6 character they are offering for (probably) $60
Just discount the ultimate pack to $20 for me and I'll purchase that and Darkseid.