Wtf happens in one's head, for it to go from a game release date to a p*nis pic?? Is it because word date was in the air and they instantly got aroused?
Anyway, it's sad that it ever happened. Little bit of mutual respect between fans and developers should be a given.
@Carl-G TLOU2 got some hate for no apparent reason to me. It's a phenomenon worth exploring from psychiatric standpoint.
@munstre maybe, but I like to think Horizon just has legs. Game was awesome and they put the time in to fix visual issues. It deserves to pull in good numbers.
Feeling entitled - The entitlement mentality is defined as a sense of deservingness or being owed a favor when little or nothing has been done to deserve special treatment. It's the “you owe me” attitude. Entitlement is a narcissistic personality trait. It's not known exactly how this mentality develops.
@Intr1n5ic Children of Morta is such an excellent game. Very underated. Takes a minute to get used to artwork, but it just "becomes" beautiful afterwards. Gameplay is gold.
@Dezzy70 not to sound like a hater, but I feel like Sony has enough AAA exclusives that they all don't have to be aimed at perfect strategical window. That only applies when you make 2 games a year..
@awp69 exactly, they basically took away a lot of 3rd party games, because it would just be a rehash now. If I was a more sinister person, I would imply it was on purpose.. but I'm not
Yeah, this one really delivered. Zero filler time, just non stop interesting content. It's gonna set the bar high for rest of the summer fest showcases in a "who would want to follow that" kind of way (looking at you MS and Bethesda)
Selling near 1 million copies of a 3-4 years old port is a great number. Definitely outweights the porting investment. And I feel that is what Sony is aiming for, keep the exclusivity on their platform but provide alternative playing avenues (and slow and steady cash flow from older IP) when hype dies down.
Although one wouldn't assume that going by this particular website (odd, since it's console specific site), Sony PlayStation is in a good place, leading the race, and having a lot of steam in their machine (IPs, teams and studios) for a bright future.
I do believe some of casual doom bringing is just due to human nature, and wanting a change, even if it is a forced one..
Maybe I'm way off and can't be realistic anymore, but longer I look at this, more solid it feels. And there are big news outlets out there calling PS Plus rebrand a failure. It is as if they had an article written beforehand and are trying to make it fit the narrative now.. I guess I've just lost touch with reality :/
Seems like although people here wanted PS Plus rebrand to be bad, Sony managed to make it interesting. It is genuinely a better offering than GP currently (might change once they release a few exclusive games).
Feels like they should have done this BEFORE they launch the new subscription service next week (Asia market). I'll always make time to look at some AAA gameplay trailers, but still.. don't they want my subscription money too?
In all honesty, this game did not fail due to being day 1 GP release, it failed because it was bad. GP just didn't save it (which is probably going to be the case for most games with highest budget, but low enough quality not to merit additional player investments).
@IonMagi don't wanna be a **** about it, but you do know VRR is STILL broken on Halo Infinite... So it doesn't really just work on every game on Xbox either 😝
@Bleachedsmiles historically I would agree, but today we live in a world where it is VERY EASY to check if a game is performing differently across platforms. While at the time information was harder to come across, these days it's a search away. Some of the most popular content out there is dealing with exactly that subject. As another interesting (third party) occurrence, for the first 15 days Elden Ring held the highest MC score on Xbox Series consoles, where it objectively performed the worst. I'm using third party content as example because it's impossible to compare first party exclusive on other platforms. Don't get me wrong, I own all 4 popular platforms. But there is a consistent behaviour, me loving my PS exclusives, me loving my Nintendo exclusives (!!!), and me trying my MS exclusives.
@Bleachedsmiles because media scores have been biased lately. As an example, Weird West, reviewed today, has scored 7/10 on PS5 and 9/10 on Xbox. Although it is the same game. And this pattern has been going on for a while (can't find an example of other way around though). I understand reviews are subjective and individual opinions of a reviewer, but if there is a consistent correlation, that indicates a pattern..
@Bleachedsmiles again, I'm not saying Sony cares about quality, they care about money just as others. I just hope they stick with model of quality over quantity. Think of it as Netflix vs HBO Max, later might have less offerings and is even less popular, but their best recent action movie release is Batman 2022, while Netflixes is Adam project (day 1 ofc). While there is a single subscription service, admittedly there is no hard evidence quality is suffering due to that, not just general incompetence. In new markets, it's all about projections and properly assuming a starting model. And my guess, and of people of similar opinion, is that it's due to GP specific model. I would leave critics out of this, because cross-platform games, although identical in the eye of developers, are scored measurably higher on Xbox.
@Bleachedsmiles I believe you mixed few things up.. every business is about making money, and that should live as a separate statement. There are different strategies to making money. Not every vendor on the market should use the same model, because that would effectively narrow the choice for the consumer. Now, for the PS4 cross-platform. One of the ways to make investment into a polished 5 year production cycle game profitable, is by making it more accessible. In a world where current gen consoles availability is as limited as it is, making a cross-platform game is an easy way to make it accessible and automatically increase it's market to a profitable level. I sure like that approach more, compared to keeping market smaller and releasing "great" PSVR level exclusives for PS5 (using PSVR just as an example of expected smaller install base and production values that come with those expectations). MTX endeavor Sony is tampering with lately is an insult to any sane person, and I can only hope they feel it financially. Budget and development years don't necessarily have to be connected to the end product quality. Halo might be the most expensive game they ever did, but development on it was also restarted like 3 times.. My fear with subscription services is that what is changing is the definition of "complete". Games are being pushed out when they are lacking content and polish they should have, on a pretense nobody will bother with them for long enough for it to matter. So it's not so much about development process and work, as much as it is about the outcome (mediocre) that is deemed final/releaseable.
P.S. There is an argument to be made in current world that game is not final when it releases, but as a collector and old school gamer I like to have my games in a playable state on a physical medium.
I agree with reasoning here. As a GP subscriber I can see the quality plummet and in general number of high level exclusive content whining down. It has actually started to get media biased (titles announced as a "big deal" are being reviewed and graded as AAA titles, when they are in fact on a indie production value level), to make a gap between GP and PS exclusives seem smaller. I, for one, don't want that to happen. Games I'm really interested in I purchase as a collector, and ones I don't I can wait for a year (or so) to try out on a service or through a bargain bin.
@themightyant Halo is still not finished and is broken on PC, it's day one platform (FPS games I usually play on PC if reasonable). FS has always scored great and sold in tens of copies (it's great at what it does, just not a lot of market for it). FH5 is the only title that kept quality through transition, but it was "more of the same" compared to FH4.
Sounds good, unfortunately, I already own most of the heavy hitters that will be added to Extra tier.. I'll still probably go for it, once my suddenly attractive PS Now subscription runs out.
I would agree with this conclusion. It is not perfect, but is amongst the most comfortable and definitely most immersive of all time. In total, that gives it an edge in my book.
10/10 from me, although there were few minor hickups on release. It was fixed week one, so I'll let it slide. Understandably it won't be for everyone, but it is as stated by others "open world game for people who generally hate open world games".
Gonna have to skip this (at least for now) because it's too hard and I can't be bothered No, really, with all other responsibilities in my life I just can't spend what little gaming time I have dying and not progressing. Which is a shame, because I love and respect the idea of FromSoftware games.
@get2sammyb well, technically it does say free PS5 upgrade available on the PS4 box.. can't get much clearer than that. It can, I know, but still, that's good/fair enough.
Seems like a very hurt fanboy of a certain black box (not many fans of white radio).. sorry mate, these sort of reviews are exactly why one should pick up a bombed game. Also, game is superb and only minor issues people are reporting are due to how spoiled PS community has become (because of constant stream of above average games).
Game is still so broken I'm not sure why anybody would care. I tried PS5 version yesterday and it managed to end in a loop for me (during training simulation it got stuck in a auto-fail, auto-restart loop). Also, 60fps mode looks like 2012. game, especially distant objects like buildings and such. RT mode has a lot of pop-in and just runs stuttery. Default aiming settings are messed up too.. basically, 6/10 game currently, compared to 2/10 14 months ago.
Can't wait to get off work tomorrow! This baby is getting delivered in the morning.. I'm actually super happy a game can still get me interested/excited. Been a gamer for over 25 years and there is less and less games that get me pumped up for release day.
@get2sammyb apologies, I was referring to a discussion in comments section, which is not (and should not be) heavily controlled by Push Square. Site staff and articles were always spot on regarding MM game!
Seems like I would love this game.. shares a lot with Returnal and Sekiro. Unfortunately, it will have to wait for a sale (I'm playing a single game at the time, and immediate future has HFW penciled in..).
@BeerIsAwesome don't wanna burst your bubble, but Netflix, HBO, PS Plus, Nintendo Online and GP I pay annually/monthly ain't bloody free. End of year, it sometimes makes more sense to just go to movies and purchase games I want to play. However, I ain't getting this game, doesn't look all that entertaining to me. Last time I paid 25$ for a game due to hype was Deathloop, and it was a decent letdown :/
@OmegaStriver yes and no. I prefer rally sims which require a lot of quick reactions (you are basically skiing your way through a set of catastrophic failures), but speed does seem "normal". Effect you are referring to is typically created by overdone motion blur, that was supposed to induce cinematic action reaction. It's similar to how action seems faster in F'n'F movies than when you are doing a 100 going to your parents house over a weekend..
@OmegaStriver it might just be that you prefer arcade racers, and that is fine. To be honest, driving sims are more niche then people are willing to admit (personally, I do like them though).
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Re: God of War Ragnarok Dev Sony Santa Monica Demands Respect After Unsavoury Week
Wtf happens in one's head, for it to go from a game release date to a p*nis pic?? Is it because word date was in the air and they instantly got aroused?
Anyway, it's sad that it ever happened. Little bit of mutual respect between fans and developers should be a given.
@Carl-G TLOU2 got some hate for no apparent reason to me. It's a phenomenon worth exploring from psychiatric standpoint.
Re: Poll: Was Sony's State of Play the Best Gaming Showcase of June?
Damn, a lot of people seem to have liked Xbox showcase. I had it at 3rd place, behind SoP and Nintendo direct mini.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Only Three Top 10 Games Are Available on PlayStation
@munstre maybe, but I like to think Horizon just has legs. Game was awesome and they put the time in to fix visual issues. It deserves to pull in good numbers.
Re: Soapbox: PS Plus Premium Has Turned My Email Inbox into a Nightmare
Feeling entitled - The entitlement mentality is defined as a sense of deservingness or being owed a favor when little or nothing has been done to deserve special treatment. It's the “you owe me” attitude. Entitlement is a narcissistic personality trait. It's not known exactly how this mentality develops.
Re: PSA: PS Plus Extra, Premium Games Removed from Service Aren't Yours to Keep Forever
So a subscription based service is working like a standard subscription based service model. Shocker!
Re: Reminder: PS Plus Extra, Premium Roll Out Across Europe Tomorrow
@Intr1n5ic Children of Morta is such an excellent game. Very underated. Takes a minute to get used to artwork, but it just "becomes" beautiful afterwards. Gameplay is gold.
Re: God of War Ragnarok PS5, PS4 Release Date Targeting November
@Dezzy70 not to sound like a hater, but I feel like Sony has enough AAA exclusives that they all don't have to be aimed at perfect strategical window. That only applies when you make 2 games a year..
Re: Sony Leaks The Last of Us: Part I for PS5, Launching 2nd September
If there is an upgrade path that is not $70 I'll get this. But as is, not paying again for a game that actually is not that outdated at all.
Re: Reaction: Sony Kickstarts the Summer with Sizzling State of Play
@awp69 exactly, they basically took away a lot of 3rd party games, because it would just be a rehash now. If I was a more sinister person, I would imply it was on purpose.. but I'm not
Re: Reaction: Sony Kickstarts the Summer with Sizzling State of Play
Yeah, this one really delivered. Zero filler time, just non stop interesting content.
It's gonna set the bar high for rest of the summer fest showcases in a "who would want to follow that" kind of way (looking at you MS and Bethesda)
Re: Spider-Man PS5, PS4 Games Sell a Spider-Sense Tingling 33 Million Copies
Selling near 1 million copies of a 3-4 years old port is a great number. Definitely outweights the porting investment.
And I feel that is what Sony is aiming for, keep the exclusivity on their platform but provide alternative playing avenues (and slow and steady cash flow from older IP) when hype dies down.
Re: Sonic Frontiers Debuts First Open World Gameplay in New Video
Long time Sonic and Zelda: Breath of the Wilds fan. This looks like the most boring, straight to GP, game ever...
Re: Sony 'Not at All Finished' Growing PlayStation Studios via Acquisitions
Although one wouldn't assume that going by this particular website (odd, since it's console specific site), Sony PlayStation is in a good place, leading the race, and having a lot of steam in their machine (IPs, teams and studios) for a bright future.
I do believe some of casual doom bringing is just due to human nature, and wanting a change, even if it is a forced one..
Re: Sony 'Not at All Finished' Growing PlayStation Studios via Acquisitions
@BlaizeV hopefully not, I enjoy their games on all platforms (especially, Nintendo)
Re: Reaction: Sony's Positive PS Plus Reboot Proves the Value of Catalogues
Maybe I'm way off and can't be realistic anymore, but longer I look at this, more solid it feels. And there are big news outlets out there calling PS Plus rebrand a failure. It is as if they had an article written beforehand and are trying to make it fit the narrative now..
I guess I've just lost touch with reality :/
Re: Reaction: Sony's Positive PS Plus Reboot Proves the Value of Catalogues
Seems like although people here wanted PS Plus rebrand to be bad, Sony managed to make it interesting.
It is genuinely a better offering than GP currently (might change once they release a few exclusive games).
Re: Rumour: Sony Showcase Could Be Set for First Week of June
Feels like they should have done this BEFORE they launch the new subscription service next week (Asia market). I'll always make time to look at some AAA gameplay trailers, but still.. don't they want my subscription money too?
Re: Outriders Has so Far Failed to Turn a Profit for Square Enix
In all honesty, this game did not fail due to being day 1 GP release, it failed because it was bad. GP just didn't save it (which is probably going to be the case for most games with highest budget, but low enough quality not to merit additional player investments).
Re: Pounding PS4 Action Game Furi Is Getting a PS5 Version, DLC, and a Free Update Six Years After Release
Loved this game, so these are some awesome news.
Re: Rumour: PS5, PS4 Games Over $34 Must Have PS Plus Premium Two-Hour Trials
I'll believe it when I see it. Seems like such a huge thing (and one I advocated for). If Sony makes trial tools part of their dev package
Re: Rumour: PS Plus PS5, PS4 Games for May 2022 Leaked Early
Probably not true (because it is too good to be true in my opinion). FIFA & Curse of the dead Gods are both awesome games.
Re: PS5 VRR Support Finally Coming This Week, Boosting Performance in Some Games
@IonMagi don't wanna be a **** about it, but you do know VRR is STILL broken on Halo Infinite... So it doesn't really just work on every game on Xbox either 😝
Re: Sony Is Finally Bringing Cloud Streaming to More European Regions with PS Plus Premium Launch
Honestly, I did not care about streaming. Only reason why I owned PS Now in WRONG region is for downloadable titles..
Re: All the Big Names Will Be on Revamped PS Plus, You'll Just Have to Imagine Which
Seemed appropriate...
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/negative_Nancy
Re: PS Now Members Get Four More PS4 Games This Month
@Snake_V5 currently, probably not. But when service changes to Plus Premium existing games will probably upgrade.
Re: PS Now Members Get Four More PS4 Games This Month
Awesome month! I wanted to buy 3 of 4
Re: PS5, PS4 Exclusives Not Coming to PS Plus at Launch
@Bleachedsmiles historically I would agree, but today we live in a world where it is VERY EASY to check if a game is performing differently across platforms. While at the time information was harder to come across, these days it's a search away. Some of the most popular content out there is dealing with exactly that subject.
As another interesting (third party) occurrence, for the first 15 days Elden Ring held the highest MC score on Xbox Series consoles, where it objectively performed the worst.
I'm using third party content as example because it's impossible to compare first party exclusive on other platforms.
Don't get me wrong, I own all 4 popular platforms. But there is a consistent behaviour, me loving my PS exclusives, me loving my Nintendo exclusives (!!!), and me trying my MS exclusives.
Re: PS5, PS4 Exclusives Not Coming to PS Plus at Launch
@Bleachedsmiles because media scores have been biased lately. As an example, Weird West, reviewed today, has scored 7/10 on PS5 and 9/10 on Xbox. Although it is the same game. And this pattern has been going on for a while (can't find an example of other way around though).
I understand reviews are subjective and individual opinions of a reviewer, but if there is a consistent correlation, that indicates a pattern..
Re: PS5, PS4 Exclusives Not Coming to PS Plus at Launch
@Bleachedsmiles again, I'm not saying Sony cares about quality, they care about money just as others. I just hope they stick with model of quality over quantity. Think of it as Netflix vs HBO Max, later might have less offerings and is even less popular, but their best recent action movie release is Batman 2022, while Netflixes is Adam project (day 1 ofc).
While there is a single subscription service, admittedly there is no hard evidence quality is suffering due to that, not just general incompetence. In new markets, it's all about projections and properly assuming a starting model. And my guess, and of people of similar opinion, is that it's due to GP specific model.
I would leave critics out of this, because cross-platform games, although identical in the eye of developers, are scored measurably higher on Xbox.
Re: PS5, PS4 Exclusives Not Coming to PS Plus at Launch
@Bleachedsmiles I believe you mixed few things up.. every business is about making money, and that should live as a separate statement.
There are different strategies to making money. Not every vendor on the market should use the same model, because that would effectively narrow the choice for the consumer.
Now, for the PS4 cross-platform. One of the ways to make investment into a polished 5 year production cycle game profitable, is by making it more accessible. In a world where current gen consoles availability is as limited as it is, making a cross-platform game is an easy way to make it accessible and automatically increase it's market to a profitable level. I sure like that approach more, compared to keeping market smaller and releasing "great" PSVR level exclusives for PS5 (using PSVR just as an example of expected smaller install base and production values that come with those expectations).
MTX endeavor Sony is tampering with lately is an insult to any sane person, and I can only hope they feel it financially.
Budget and development years don't necessarily have to be connected to the end product quality. Halo might be the most expensive game they ever did, but development on it was also restarted like 3 times.. My fear with subscription services is that what is changing is the definition of "complete". Games are being pushed out when they are lacking content and polish they should have, on a pretense nobody will bother with them for long enough for it to matter. So it's not so much about development process and work, as much as it is about the outcome (mediocre) that is deemed final/releaseable.
P.S.
There is an argument to be made in current world that game is not final when it releases, but as a collector and old school gamer I like to have my games in a playable state on a physical medium.
Re: PS5, PS4 Exclusives Not Coming to PS Plus at Launch
I agree with reasoning here. As a GP subscriber I can see the quality plummet and in general number of high level exclusive content whining down.
It has actually started to get media biased (titles announced as a "big deal" are being reviewed and graded as AAA titles, when they are in fact on a indie production value level), to make a gap between GP and PS exclusives seem smaller.
I, for one, don't want that to happen. Games I'm really interested in I purchase as a collector, and ones I don't I can wait for a year (or so) to try out on a service or through a bargain bin.
@themightyant Halo is still not finished and is broken on PC, it's day one platform (FPS games I usually play on PC if reasonable). FS has always scored great and sold in tens of copies (it's great at what it does, just not a lot of market for it). FH5 is the only title that kept quality through transition, but it was "more of the same" compared to FH4.
Re: PS Plus, PS Now Merged Service Revealed, Goes Live in June
Sounds good, unfortunately, I already own most of the heavy hitters that will be added to Extra tier.. I'll still probably go for it, once my suddenly attractive PS Now subscription runs out.
Re: PS5's DualSense Dubbed the Best Controller of All Time in Public Vote
I would agree with this conclusion. It is not perfect, but is amongst the most comfortable and definitely most immersive of all time. In total, that gives it an edge in my book.
Re: Gran Turismo 7 PS5, PS4 User Score the Lowest in PlayStation Exclusive History
And since yesterday it's already on a 15% discount at local store near my place..
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Horizon Forbidden West?
10/10 from me, although there were few minor hickups on release. It was fixed week one, so I'll let it slide. Understandably it won't be for everyone, but it is as stated by others "open world game for people who generally hate open world games".
Re: Round Up: Elden Ring PS5, PS4 Reviews Crown One of the Best Games of All Time
Gonna have to skip this (at least for now) because it's too hard and I can't be bothered
No, really, with all other responsibilities in my life I just can't spend what little gaming time I have dying and not progressing. Which is a shame, because I love and respect the idea of FromSoftware games.
Re: Sony Goes Game Pass By Putting Shadow Warrior 3 on PS Now at Launch
Now if only PS Now had a PS5 category.. bliss.
Re: In the UK, 70% of Boxed Horizon Forbidden West Buyers Paid More Than They Needed To
@get2sammyb well, technically it does say free PS5 upgrade available on the PS4 box.. can't get much clearer than that. It can, I know, but still, that's good/fair enough.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West Is Getting Review Bombed on PS5, PS4 for No Reason
Seems like a very hurt fanboy of a certain black box (not many fans of white radio).. sorry mate, these sort of reviews are exactly why one should pick up a bombed game.
Also, game is superb and only minor issues people are reporting are due to how spoiled PS community has become (because of constant stream of above average games).
Re: Sony's Releasing a PS4 System Update to Fix Cyberpunk 2077 Disc Issues
Game is still so broken I'm not sure why anybody would care. I tried PS5 version yesterday and it managed to end in a loop for me (during training simulation it got stuck in a auto-fail, auto-restart loop). Also, 60fps mode looks like 2012. game, especially distant objects like buildings and such. RT mode has a lot of pop-in and just runs stuttery. Default aiming settings are messed up too.. basically, 6/10 game currently, compared to 2/10 14 months ago.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West (PS5) - Aloy Returns in Superior PS5 Sequel
Can't wait to get off work tomorrow! This baby is getting delivered in the morning..
I'm actually super happy a game can still get me interested/excited. Been a gamer for over 25 years and there is less and less games that get me pumped up for release day.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West (PS5) - Excellent Sequel Is a PS5 Essential
Phew, physical pre-order was worth it. Ceeelebrate good times, come on..
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Is Now Sony's Third Best-Selling Game in the US
@get2sammyb apologies, I was referring to a discussion in comments section, which is not (and should not be) heavily controlled by Push Square. Site staff and articles were always spot on regarding MM game!
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Is Now Sony's Third Best-Selling Game in the US
Funnily enough, I remember reading on this website how it was selling poorly after release
I guess news of it's demise have been greatly exaggerated.
P.S.
Love the game and the series. Hopefully we get more soonish.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West PS5, PS4 Pre-Load Available Now
Getting this on a disk, so no pre-load for me... I shall be training my internet wires for the 18th so that bandwidth is nice and fast.
Re: Sifu (PS5) - Kung Fu Brawler Is Brutal But Brilliant
Seems like I would love this game.. shares a lot with Returnal and Sekiro. Unfortunately, it will have to wait for a sale (I'm playing a single game at the time, and immediate future has HFW penciled in..).
Re: PS Plus Discount Available for Ghostwire: Tokyo PS5 Pre-Orders
@BeerIsAwesome don't wanna burst your bubble, but Netflix, HBO, PS Plus, Nintendo Online and GP I pay annually/monthly ain't bloody free. End of year, it sometimes makes more sense to just go to movies and purchase games I want to play.
However, I ain't getting this game, doesn't look all that entertaining to me. Last time I paid 25$ for a game due to hype was Deathloop, and it was a decent letdown :/
Re: New Horizon Forbidden West Trailer Details Challenges, Upgrades
Yeah, I've only pre-ordered 2 games in my life, HFW is the second one. Faith is high in this one!
Re: First Impressions: Gran Turismo 7 on PS5, PS4 Looks Like the Biggest and Best Yet
@OmegaStriver yes and no. I prefer rally sims which require a lot of quick reactions (you are basically skiing your way through a set of catastrophic failures), but speed does seem "normal". Effect you are referring to is typically created by overdone motion blur, that was supposed to induce cinematic action reaction. It's similar to how action seems faster in F'n'F movies than when you are doing a 100 going to your parents house over a weekend..
Re: First Impressions: Gran Turismo 7 on PS5, PS4 Looks Like the Biggest and Best Yet
@OmegaStriver it might just be that you prefer arcade racers, and that is fine. To be honest, driving sims are more niche then people are willing to admit (personally, I do like them though).