Sony made the bold move of announcing a revamped PS Plus subscription last week – and just six of the purported 740 titles that’ll be part of it. Speaking in the aftermath of another mind-boggling move from the manufacturer, PlayStation boss Jim Ryan has promised that “all the big names” will pad out the remaining 99 per cent of the membership’s offering. You’ll have to use your imagination, though, because the bigwig stopped short of naming any actual games.
We know that the likes or Returnal and Marvel’s Spider-Man will be part of the offering, which is a start – although it’s unclear whether it’ll be the webslinger’s PS4 or PS5 incarnation at this stage. “We have big publishers; we have small indie publishers,” shrilled Ryan on the PlayStation Podcast. “We have over 200 partners working with us to put their content into PS Plus, so the lineup is going to be really strong.” At this point, we’re genuinely curious whether Jim is trying to convince us or himself.
Of course, there’ll be no day one first-party releases as part of the revamped subscription, as that doesn’t make business sense to the suit. “The games that we make are getting bigger: they’re getting better, they’re getting more beautiful, they’re getting richer, the narrative is getting stronger,” said the British-born tycoon. “Putting these games into a subscription service immediately upon their release would break this virtuous circle, and we wouldn’t be able to invest in the way that we’re currently able to. So, we’re not doing it. We’re going to stick to the approach that we have and has served us well for many years.”
In related news, MLB The Show 22, the latest baseball simulation developed by Sony’s own San Diego Studio, can be downloaded at no extra cost as part of Xbox Game Pass from today. It costs £69.99/$69.99 on the PS5.
6 out of 740 leaves 99.2% unknown, not 99.9%
@TheTominator007 Close enough. 🤓 (There you go, I rounded down!)
Whatever happened to patience?
I hope it's not just the expected suspects involved. I'm sure MGS1 will be great to play again but I'd personally prefer stuff that is pretty hard to come by or maybe even officially localize some stuff that never got an English translation.
For example three that I'd love to see from the PSP in particular? Crisis Core FF7, Valkyria Chronicles 3, and the Japanese exclusive PSP Yakuza game. Now those three would get me to subscribe!
Well he said no day one releases from them but that doesn't mean no day one releases from third parties.
Sony could pay for some decent games here on release especially from square enix
@AdamNovice Fair! But I also find it a bit ridiculous that he's hyping up his product and telling us how excited we should be without actually telling us anything about it.
I really hope the new PS Plus is fantastic, but equally I find this kind of marketing unbelievably crummy. Especially when we know PlayStation is capable of so much better, as it's proven numerous times over the years!
Read an article recently elsewhere stating that subscription services account for a mere 4% of all revenue in the gaming industry. I was really surprised because they are getting 70% of the attention, myself included! 😅
But it made me realize how much Sony’s plan makes market sense - they need to keep the other 95% of the revenue going strong through sales and not just put all the eggs in the basket of a subscription service.
Selfishly, I hope the service has an awesome game line up with lots of new games. But day 1 releases even for third party is going to be rare, I feel. The catalogue will likely just be what’s on PS Now.
I mean PS Now also feature games from every major publisher ... What he said means literally nothing
When you used the term Bigwig I couldn't help but think of that charming animated rabbit movie called Watership Down. It just popped into my head randomly.
I dunno. I have gamepass. I really don't want to pay for another subscription, basically for the same thing. "Hey, pay for two subscriptions, for the privilege to play yakuza or an assassin's creed game on ps or xb!"
What I really hope for, is the classic ps games to be available for purchase, separate from the service.
@Fragile If in doubt just stick with the standard PS Plus.
@Th3solution I think the other 96% is FIFA and Fortnite in-game purchases 😂
All the big names? They must have Ratalaika, Easasiasoft, and Sometimes You. Those guys probably account for about 90% of the published titles on PSN.
Maybe Breakthrough Gaming has surpassed them though with their weekly garbageware.
@Fragile The first Tuesday of each month, by then it'll be known which games have actually been added to the service and which have left.
Is the service rolling out now and everyone should have it by June? Or is it not starting to roll out until June first? As long as Square Enix is on there as well as Final Fantasy I'm happy 😊
The rest of the lineup could be Balan Wonderworld for all I care as long as they put Crisis Core and the Metal Gear franchise
Is it just an assumption that the majority of these titles are ones on the existing PS Now? Or do I need to start playing through games on there for risk of them being taken down (playing Secret of Monkey Island now after the news this morning)
I like the older games but unfortunately when you play them they really show their age. I don’t know if it will be worth paying for once the nolstagia runs out. Some games are better left in our memory
I wonder if this means no new games in April or may? That kinda sucks to wait till June.I don’t care about their big games because we have all played uncharted and god of war, horizon, etc . I just hope it’s worth it to long time PS4 owners
Nice burn in the final paragraph!
Games that are included in Gamepass day one I would never pay full price for on PS. It being a Sony studio is a total insult!
Blow it out your a$$ Jimbo. This is your response to the underwhelming reaction from the customer base?
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How many games that aren’t already on PS Now does it include?
Will there be any third party first day releases?
Answer these Jim then I’ll be content till June, thanks.
‘it a bit ridiculous that he's hyping up his product ..’ 🙄
I know that may sound crazy but what if he’s just stating facts?
PS+ with PSNOW that have become the new PS+ sounds like what he’s talking about 🤷🏼♂️
Nothing mind blowing but it is what it is.
It sounds blown out of proportion to me.
Day one releases is an issue for some, but I understand Sony can’t fund the gamer like Microsoft does. However as it’s a tiered approach surely saying PlayStation plus ultimate or gold could get a discount often these titles. It already happens with PS+ so maybe tiered discounts. That may help the gamer rather than fund the gamer
Again its seems like PushSquare is making much more out of nothing.
Just be patient.
‘we wouldn’t be able to invest in the way that we’re currently able to’
I think that’s the undeniable fact and makes sense.
At the end of the day, still catering to gamers who want to select and own their own games instead of (focusing on) the new wave of always online subscription fast food gaming sounds good to me.
@Th3solution shadow warrior 3 was day 1 release on ps now last month. Rare but I guess it's a sign of things to come
Oh man so exciting! I hope i know never learn what I am purchasing in this subscription!
That is the big names the ones they already announced 😆
I have to agree with the majority here, I can't get excited about nothing!
I've also come to realize that playing games that are 10-20 years old really is disappointing and not worth dropping money on. Nostalgia can be a wonderful thing, but should never be used as a tool to try and rip people off... I honestly think that's why PS Now never really appealled to me for more than a tomato season.
I initially went back and very briefly played a few of my all time favourite games. The likes of FFVII, Vice City etc. Every time I do so it just deflates those magical nostalgic memories. FFVII remake sees FFVII looking daft. Vice City looks awful compared to GTAV etc etc.
They need PS3 era and above in order to squeeze anything out of this in my opinion. There are some magical PS1 and PS2 titles that should be remade, I can think of many, but don't keep pushing them in their elderly form.
For me, the big thing would be that there can now be no duplication between ps plus and ps now games as there has been in the past. Also, it’s good that there will still be some games that are ours to keep as long as we are subscribed (meaning we can’t miss them as they leave the service).
Of course, we don’t know if the number of games will drop.
This is all somewhat meaningless for me now though as, without an upgrade path for my 2+ years of Plus, I won’t be getting this until at least late 2024
I took a bit of a gamble on this and stacked up 3 years of now yesterday. In perspective, with credit deals, that was less than the cost of 2 PS5 games but I’m still hopeful they have to do do better than old PS+ and Now combined.
@Korgon That's a great point. I'm not sure it would be worth the money to pay for translations of old games, but it would be a really cool PR move, and I'd subscribe for the PSP Yakuza and a playable version of the vita Uncharted.
@Th3solution I think it's pretty clear that the window between when a game releases and when it is put on PS+ will be reduced. You can guarantee that there will be a few recent games or new indie games or they may just pay for the new game from a popular third-party series.
It really does feel like they are playing with fire. Because I feel like I am heavily being incentivised to spend less on PSN.
@Mayhemlikeme It's going to be worth the money just because it is so incredibly cheap.
@Jacko11 There are a lot of clicks to be had to trashing Sony for not giving away everything. Which people are not in the real world and don't appreciate that if you value something, you should be prepared to pay a reasonable price for it?
I can imagine in a couple weeks time Push publishing an article ‘Did Jim Ryan lie?’
And of course implying people should be angry of some kind of deception.
While he’s not saying much tbh. It’s the press who’s hyping it and pushing people to sub to PSNOW before it becomes the new service.
I’ll just paste here my comment from the article about ‘Sony not showing off the new sub enough’ article.
It isn’t Sony who made a fuss about it for days before and created big unrealistic expectations.
For most people who only have basic PS+ like me there’s no change at all after all.
Seriously the press has actually been making such a fuss about ‘counter game-pass’ for a good while now with regular articles now and then. Then they get shocked when it’s not the ‘TADA’ moment they literally made up in their own mind.
Worse they won’t admit it’s not the ‘counter gamepass’ they made up. They won’t admit they were wrong. They still pretend it s supposed to be that but they point out the ‘counter gamepass’ thingy that is not should be more presented the way they speculated it would be.
@itsfoz there will definitely be day one third party games. Both PS+ and Now have had day one games. No reason to think we've seen the last of them. It will likely continue to be infrequent though.
@JJ2 If it wasn't for the online play, I doubt many PS+ subbers would even bother with that. Yes it's useful to upload save data to the PSN but you can always back up the save data onto USB. The quality of the PS+ 'freebies' has been somewhat lacking with the odd forgotten gem in amongst them.
Add to that PS management's lack of capability or talent with regard to the PS1, PS2 & PS3 titles on Now has been a total joke.
@JJ2 I only have to look at your comments to find the voice of reason (at least most of the time).
I couldn't have said it better myself. They hype it up something incredible and then attack Sony for not doing something that only existed in their heads.
Where has Sony other than announcing PS extra hyped up the product? I would imagine they'll not be hyping it up because it will be releasing in different regions at different times, they'll just release region specific information when it releases.
@naruball @JJ2 Came here to say what you both have already said.
I love Push Square. I love coming here for the articles and the banter.
And to be fair to the writers, they would say that they just posted the info. It's topical. They don't encourage anything.
Even so, posting an article that did encourage people to sub to the Now, and then posting another article saying we're not being told enough, whether intentional or not, is stirring the pot.
Sometimes I think poor Sammy knows exactly how Jim Ryan feels... 😂
I don't trust Jim Ryan's assessment of what "the big games" are for even a second.
Until a full list is revealed, all this vague PR means absolutely nothing.
@Shepherd_Tallon That’s journalism for you. Then again, people need to learn to think for themselves.
I also stacked up on some PS Now, I did so knowing fully that we still don’t have much information on what’s going to be on offer. If it turns out to be trash I only have myself to blame.
Because it’s just PS Now with a few PS5 titles. You can’t make a big do about that, though. This is smoke and mirrors until proven otherwise.
Hmm. Returnal being on there seems to imply all 1st party games will eventually be on the service. The question is when. I'm guess 6 - 12 months after launch?
like many others i cant get excited by this if we dont know what we are getting, knowing sony at the moment if they add games that are mulit gen i expect too see only the ps4 version.
but like others have said i think we shall see exclusives in about 6months plus also as has been said this just seems another case of push sqare stirring the pot, one article its great the next its not.
Knack 1 and Knack 2 babeeeeeh.
Consoles with the best game of the generation?!!!
Not xbox or nintendo.
Ps plus extra plus sauce plus will shape gaming.
The main question here is who the hell just leaves all their disc's on top of one another like that to get scratched to pieces?
I don't think it will. But I see no reason why it shouldn't include pretty much every major first party PS4 game at the least
I'm sure there will be a good selection of games but some more communication would have made the announcement so much more impactful.
Backwards compatibility behind a paywall is doodoo
@RubyCarbuncle love that film! Gets a bit dark... 😂
@Gloamin It does and it has a really sad ending too with the black rabbit scene when the song Bright Eyes starts playing. God even thinking about it now makes me tear up.
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